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Expelled Exposed [May. 9th, 2008|12:18 am]

devineone
[mood | curious]




Interesting..
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A quote and a question [May. 8th, 2008|07:37 pm]

nastasie

(Sorry if this quote has been posted before or if this question has been asked before.)

What would the "Expelled" people have to say? What, Hitler started out as a nice Christian chap and then the devil someone contaminated his gullible mind with "Darwinism"?



And does anyone here know if the proponents of Nazism ever explicitly cited Spencerianism or any other form of "social Darwinism"? Or if there is any evidence that they had contact with any of this? Because I keep wondering how the creationists propose to sustain that this connection between Darwinism and Nazism ever existed, apart from using their own deranged ramblings as arguments.

And I wonder if it's sufficiently clear to them that no serious evolutionists condone Spencerianism and the like.  Or has the debate never  actually reached this level of  "sophistication"?
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Help wanted [May. 8th, 2008|03:25 pm]

waywardcats
The NCSE is looking for help in the Bay Area.  If you or someone you know would be interested in this position contact information can be found in the link.

"The National Center for Science Education, a non-profit organization that defends the teaching of evolution in the public schools, seeks candidates for a position in its Public Information Project.Staff members in the Public Information Project provide advice and support to local activists faced with threats to evolution education in their communities. They also provide information on evolution, evolution education, and related issues to the general public, the press, and allied organizations, and contribute as needed to NCSE's publications, both in print and on-line."
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H.E.R.B. Rules :D [May. 4th, 2008|07:48 am]

corin91
This is an awesome site: http://www.edkrebs.com/herb/



cross-posted
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Speaking of Jack Chick... [May. 3rd, 2008|01:26 pm]

trexmaster
[mood | amused]

Have any of you here seen this one?

Some previews to give you a scintilla of an idea of just how filled up with stupid it is:


Bah, cavepeople vs dinosaurs is so cliche. Let's do medieval Europeans vs dinosaurs instead!

As if the sauropod wasn't anachronistic enough, Jack Chick now has these pre-Columbian, medieval European villagers eating hamburgers which weren't invented until the 19th century in the USA. Also note how Jack can't decide whether the villagers call non-avian dinosaurs "dinos" or "dragons".

Since big animals died from oxygen deprivation according to Chick, that's why elephants are extinct along with sauropods and stegosaurians, while Velociraptors and Compsognathuses are still running around, preying on livestock and civilians. Uh, no, wait...

Come to think of it, wouldn't a lack of oxygen kill off all life?

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Newest Jack Chick Tract Out! [May. 2nd, 2008|11:55 pm]

crazyharp81602
[mood | amused]

You guys has just got to see this and laugh your heads off at the newest tract Jack Chick ever wrote. Just came out today.

Check out Moving on Up

Here are a few samples from the tract.

Chick Tract

cover to chick tract
Tract 3

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Oard's Arctic Folly [Apr. 30th, 2008|04:14 pm]

crazyharp81602
[mood |busy]

Right now, I'm working on an article debunking a claim made by Michael Oard to which he claims that the plants and animals that lived in the cooler regions were all transported during the alleged Flood. I know that the claim is false, but I want to know what you think about this stupid claim about plants and animals being transported to the arctic regions during the Flood. Take a good like at this tripe and the PDF file and tell me what you think of them other than they're stupid. That would help me a great deal to figure out how to react to Oard's Flood Folly and his made-up nonsense about the fossils being found in the arctic.
 
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Nazism and Darwinism [Apr. 30th, 2008|04:38 pm]

trexmaster
[mood |accomplished]
[tunes |"Imperial March" by John Williams---perfect when talking about Nazis]

Next to the allegation that a conspiracy of Darwinist scientists is silencing serious discussion of "Intelligent Design" theory, one of the most provocative claims in Ben Stein's recent pseudodocumentary Expelled is that Darwinism laid down one of the philosophical foundations of Nazism and the Holocaust. If true, this would be a non sequitur, for a scientific theory is not at all invalidated just because people use it to justify atrocities. Ironically, an even larger number of atrocities have been committed with religious pretenses than scientific, let alone "Darwinist" ones. It certainly wasn't the theory of evolution that was the casus belli for the Arab conquests of Africa and western Asia, the Crusades, Mesoamerican human sacrifice, witch hunts, etc.

The thing is, however, Darwinism did NOT cause Nazism. In fact, as pointed out in a recent post on my own livejournal, the Nazis had pro-Darwinian books banned. From a Nazi list of "banned books" that libraries were not supposed to include:  

6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel).

(In case you're curious, Haeckel was the guy who drew those embryos.)

So not only is Ben Stein pushing a non sequitur, it's one which stands completely opposed to the historical reality. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis in fact had the same opinion of "Darwinism" as Stein and other modern creationists do. It isn't really that surprising, for what kind of Nazi would feel comfortable with the knowledge that he shares quite close common ancestry with Jews (as if they were their own race) and "mud peoples"?

BTW, there was a notion promoted by the Nazis that Jesus was an "Aryan" instead of the black-haired, brown-skinned Arabian he most likely would have actually been (if he existed). Adolf Hitler himself believed it. Now why would the Nazis want to claim Jesus as "Aryan" if they were as anti-Christian as many Bible-thumpers insist?
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CMI's Doyle intake on a fossil feather trapped in amber [Apr. 29th, 2008|10:19 pm]

crazyharp81602
[mood | annoyed]

Look at CMI's Shaun Doyle's intake on the latest discover of a possible dinosaur feather trapped in amber:
Evolutionary paleontologists have recently claimed to have found evidence of early feather evolution in amber.

They ‘dated’ these finds to about 100 million years ago (Ma), and claim that they represent an intermediate stage in the evolutionary development of feathers.
Out of time

The title of the article reads: ‘The early evolution of feathers: fossil evidence from Cretaceous amber of France [emphasis added]’. This title is misleading for two reasons: (1) The article dates these fossil feathers to 100 Ma, but Archaeopteryx, a recognizable feathered bird, is dated by evolutionists to 150 Ma, and even the beaked bird Confuciusornis is dated to 135 Ma; (2) Archaeopteryx, by the authors’ own admission, has ‘modern-type feathers that are similar to those of extant birds’.

This begs the question: why are these fossil feathers evidence for the early evolution of feathers if they’re clearly (according to the evolutionists’ own dating scheme) anything but early?

More here
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Ben Stein on Glenn Beck [Apr. 29th, 2008|05:03 pm]

hebrew_ninja
Ben Stein was on the Glenn Beck radio program pimping his movie yesterday. I only caught a brief bit about "Darwinism" causing the holocaust. Did anybody else catch the rest of it or perhaps find a trancript? Just the holocaust bit hurt my head.

I swear, Glenn Beck is the dumbest person to ever get a radio show. His false tirade about GI Joe just made me hate him forever.
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[Apr. 28th, 2008|03:02 pm]

johnny9fingers
A chum of mine posted this on his page: I repost.


One way out of this holy war for oily score.
If for whatever reason a soldier desired to come home from a dangerous tour of occupation duty in Iraq, you could try declaring yourself an atheist.

Soldier Sues Army, Saying His Atheism Led to Threats

When Specialist Jeremy Hall held a meeting last July for atheists and freethinkers at Camp Speicher in Iraq, he was excited, he said, to see an officer attending.

But minutes into the talk, the officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, began to berate Specialist Hall and another soldier about atheism, Specialist Hall wrote in a sworn statement. “People like you are not holding up the Constitution and are going against what the founding fathers, who were Christians, wanted for America!” Major Welborn said, according to the statement.

Major Welborn told the soldiers he might bar them from re-enlistment and bring charges against them, according to the statement.

Last month, Specialist Hall and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group, filed suit in federal court in Kansas, alleging that Specialist Hall’s right to be free from state endorsement of religion under the First Amendment had been violated and that he had faced retaliation for his views. In November, he was sent home early from Iraq because of threats from fellow soldiers.
Aside from the fact that the founding fathers (I hate that phrase) were deists (who would be considered naturalists/atheists by todays standards), I have to note that the Treaty of Tripoli quite clearly states America was not intended to be a "christian nation"
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Treaty of Peace and Friendship, signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796 (3 Ramada I, A. H. 1211)
We all know how well we honor our treaties. Just ask a native American, if you can find one.

Not quite Creationism, but still..... 

Thanks to [info]jk_fabiani
For the article.
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Crash the Poll [Apr. 25th, 2008|08:20 am]

waywardcats
[mood | annoyed]

Here is a poll* on MySpace where Yes is currently ahead, please go vote on:

Do you think the theory of Intelligent Design should be taught in our education system?

* I am sending you through the Pharyngula link because I would rather not give the MySpace page another link for Google.
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[Apr. 24th, 2008|10:11 pm]

ozteabe
[mood | annoyed]

Oh, WTH!!

http://blog.ylcf.org/2008/04/go-see-ben-steins-expelled.html
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Kooky creationist "science" teacher... [Apr. 23rd, 2008|09:51 am]

kulan
...now with extra nuttiness.

Predictably, people show up to defend his slathering of religious symbols all over his classroom, but he hasn't won the love of every religious family.

The fax stated, “We are religious people, but we were offended when Mr. Freshwater burned a cross onto the arm of our child. This was done in science class in December 2007, where an electric shock machine was used to burn our child. The burn was severe enough that our child awoke that night with severe pain, and the cross remained there for several weeks. ... We have tried to keep this a private matter and hesitate to tell the whole story to the media for fear that we will be retaliated against.”


Violation of separation of church and state AND child abuse. What a guy.

Ganked from [info]pharyngula.
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Here's another comment about Expelled [Apr. 22nd, 2008|10:41 pm]

crazyharp81602
[mood | mellow]

How about this one.

I not only since much anger, I get the idea that most people think that this is a religious movie. Many of the people in the film were not Christian. Last night at Southwestern Seminary in Fort Worth I attended a lecture by David Berlinski in which someone asked, if he, with his beliefs in intelligent design, would ever consider Christianity, and he flat out denied that he could ever become a Christian.
I already realize at this point that many of you are going to jump on the band wagon that all religion does is leave us with something to cling to when we are scared, or is the main motivation of war. The truth is, throughout all of history not only has there been violence done in the name of God, there has been violence done without invoking the name of God. I guess John Lennon’s song was wrong.
The debate is not about creationism verses evolution. It is about intelligent design verses evolution. There was, at no point in the film, an argumentation for a literal six day creation as recorded in Genesis. These people were simply challenging the orthodoxy of Darwinism and saying that Darwinism does not explain the origin of life. However, as I look at site after site, reading the anti-ID material, I see more bigotry coming from your side.
I wish to respond to this comment ,
“The damage that this movie has done is quite apparent, should you encounter internet creationists who’ve seen this movie. With a sudden surge of confidence, the most devestating tactic they’ve learned from this movie is the belligerant use of speculative ad hominems. “What are you so afraid of?” “Why are Darwinists so angry?” “If intelligent design is so stupid, why are you spending so much time talking about it?” “Why are you trying to silence new ideas?” Yeah. Thanks, Ben Stein. Now the creationists are even stupider than they were before.”
Propoents of ID do have a right to exist and those questions are indeed valid. You resort to calling them stupid. In a postmodern society, do not both the ID proponents and evolution proponents deserve to have an equal playing field in the realm of science? Teach evolution, there is not a problem, but allow people to have opposing views. I am neither a scientist nor a philosopher. I am striving to be a theologian. I must say that there is nothing that seems scientific to me about closing out evidential arguments simply because that do not fit the Darwinian orthodoxy. I can accuse all of you of the same bigotry that is often extended toward me.
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More rebuttals to Expelled trying to link "darwinism" to the Holocaust [Apr. 22nd, 2008|02:26 pm]

waywardcats
Steve Matheson offers this post on his blog, Quintessence of Dust:

"If you're a Christian who thinks that the Nazis are a useful polemical tool against evolution, then maybe you should read about some of Hitler's best-known influences. In my view, if you can read Luther's words and still think there's any moral high ground surrounding the Holocaust that can be claimed by Christendom, then you're crazy. The Holocaust is an unspeakably abhorrent stain on the Church, if you ask me, and it's not Darwinists (whoever they are) who have hard questions to answer. I, for one, believe that Christians should be overwhelmingly humbled by the occurrence of the Holocaust, and not because of the Problem of Evil."

And Richard Dawkins publishes an open letter to a person who wrote a threatening letter to Michael Shermer after seeing Expelled.

"Now, to the matter of Darwin. The first thing to say is that natural selection is a scientific theory about the way evolution works in fact. It is either true or it is not, and whether or not we like it politically or morally is irrelevant. Scientific theories are not prescriptions for how we should behave. I have many times written (for example in the first chapter of A Devil's Chaplain) that I am a passionate Darwinian when it comes to the science of how life has actually evolved, but a passionate ANTI-Darwinian when it comes to the politics of how humans ought to behave. I have several times said that a society based on Darwinian principles would be a very unpleasant society in which to live."
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W00t! [Apr. 22nd, 2008|04:33 pm]

corin91
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[Apr. 21st, 2008|10:51 am]

princeboring
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With the release of "Expelled" will Scientists take a stand? [Apr. 20th, 2008|10:45 pm]

pathofreason
[mood | angry]

Do any of you think that scientists will be more likely to speak out and take a stand against nonsense such as the film "Expelled"? My friend is a geologist and previous to even hearing about this movie he was always hesitant to talk to creationists about the age of the earth and anything contradictory to their beliefs. He felt that it was better to just leave it be as not to offend them. After hearing about the release of this film he now feels something should be done. He feels that not enough effort is being put into bridging the gap between Science and Layperson. What, if anything can we do to help push scientists to take a more affirmative stand?

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Beware of crappy embedded music [Apr. 19th, 2008|10:57 pm]

koobine
[mood | DX]

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/evolution_the_big_hoax.htm

^The sheer amount of stupid on this page is mind boggling. Tread with caution. xp

But don't just settle for the evolution page! Check out the 911 conspiracy, the women's page and the Devil's music!
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