Phr00tie Beoulve ([info]phr00tie) wrote in [info]elfwoodrules,
@ 2007-01-10 15:41:00
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Ticket approvals + Gaiaonline
Question...

How does the ticket approval thing work? When a ticket contains stuff that should be approved and stuff that shouldn't be, what's supposed to happen? Does everything in the ticket get disapproved? Or do the "OK" materials get published?

I just got a SF&F ticket disapproved because two of the pictures contained characters that should be in the FanQuarter. The third picture was kosher for SF&F. I'm just worried that because all three pictures were done for the same art contest (which I mentioned in the description), maybe a moderator thought the third picture too was FanQuarter material.

Speaking of FanQuarter, please post a working link to the moderator's dictionary? Sometimes it's not daylight-clear whether or not something's considered fanart, and it's not cool to wait for 40+ days to find out. ^_^;

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A related issue -- my ticket got disapproved because two of the pictures contained characters that represented Gaiaonline avatars. I find this strange. Consider this case:

Smith has created his own universe in which he RPs with his friends. He wants to commission artists to draw his RP character, but finds that artists generally prefer to have a visual reference. Then he comes across gaiaonline.com, and discovers a solution to his problem: create an avatar that looks like his character, and have the artists draw from that!

The character exists outside of gaiaonline.com. He has nothing to do with the official Gaia plot/ the world they use in the official plot. Therefore, the resulting art is not a fanart in my opinion. Yes, the artwork will be based off the avatar, but how is that any different than a commissioner providing a picture of a Final Fantasy character and saying, "my character looks a lot like this, except change this and this and this" ? (To make things clear, I'm not talking about RP characters that exist in the Final Fantasy world)


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[info]gwennafran
2007-01-10 09:11 pm UTC (link)
Pictures that doesn't break the rules should be accepted, even though others pictures are rejected.

About the Gaia-thing... The problem probably is, that the absolute majority of all Gaia avatars are based on the Gaia universe (I don't really play, so I could of source be wrong, but that's my guess).
If you make a picture from a Gaia character, it counts as fanart, just as your picture of your "self-invented student at Hogwarts" is Harry Potter fanart. - At least that's my logical guess (I'm not a moderator or anything).
Here's a really simple guideline for Elfwood, though. The EW rules says that images based on existing character-images from known universes are fanart, while images based on text can go into your fantasy/sci fi gallery.

So: Images based on an existing Gaia avatar = Visual character belonging to the gaia universe = fanart.
Images based on a long text-description: Not fanart.

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[info]phr00tie
2007-01-10 09:16 pm UTC (link)
If you make a picture from a Gaia character, it counts as fanart, just as your picture of your "self-invented student at Hogwarts" is Harry Potter fanart.

Yes, but I don't think you are right in that the majority of all Gaia avatars are based on the Gaia universe. I've seen many people simply using the avatar as a visual reference. Consider my Final Fantasy character example.

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[info]gwennafran
2007-01-10 09:27 pm UTC (link)
OK. I dind't know that. But I still think my point stands, though. You have to be active at Gaia in order to get cool clothing, so I do think it's fair to say that it is a Gaia character they make. :/

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[info]phr00tie
2007-01-10 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Gaia is not a roleplaying community (it started out as one, but it stopped being that way a long time ago). Roleplaying is a very small subset of it. Activity does not necessarily mean roleplaying. So you can keep all the roleplaying off Gaia, and still have all the items you want.

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[info]gwennafran
2007-01-10 10:06 pm UTC (link)
But it still has a characteristic visual universe. That does make it fanart whether people like it or not. ;)

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[info]phr00tie
2007-01-10 11:18 pm UTC (link)
It has a visual universe, but people are not using it. Refer back to my example with the commissioner giving you a picture of a Final Fantasy character as a reference. The resulting artwork is not a Final Fantasy fanart.

Similarly, if people are roleplaying non-HP related stories on a Harry Potter board (e.g. on an "non-HP stuff" subforum perhaps), would you say their roleplay log is a Harry Potter fanfic? Even if it takes place in a completely different universe, and has no relation to the HP characters and such?

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[info]nachtritter
2007-01-10 09:57 pm UTC (link)
It's Gaia Online.

Keep it away from Elfwood.

Quarantine it if you can.

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[info]neongryphon
2007-01-10 11:27 pm UTC (link)
Elements on a gaia avator are the creative property of gaia. It's art based off a visual media and so belongs in FanQ. I think it's pretty clear cut myself, though I can see where you're coming from.

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[info]phr00tie
2007-01-11 12:39 am UTC (link)
If it's clearly identifiable as a Gaia avatar, then that's understandable. But what about fairly generic looking characters?

I wouldn't have any problems with this issue if they clearly labelled it as an exception, kind of like what they're doing with Harry Potter. Something like "look, we know not all art (loosely) based on Gaia avatars are fanart, but it's a pain to make the distinction. We'll just call it all fanart. Deal? Deal."

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[info]neongryphon
2007-01-11 01:30 am UTC (link)
I don’t know what items are property on Gaia and what are not. So I would have to totally go by the artist’s description. If it’s art based on the person’s avator (clothes and gaia accessories included, I would call it fan art).
Since I’m not into Gaia or know much about its vast avatar-building aspect, I’d like to see any obvious Gaia based art in FanQ. There needs to be a firm ruling on it, certainly.

If the character's design is original enough not to be recognised (in any element) as Gaian, then make sure to label it as such. It's like when people say 'a commission of an elf from gaia.' That's little help to a mod. Is the character's appearance based off a gaia avator, or is it a unique character that was just commissioned through the site?

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[info]violetice
2007-01-11 12:35 am UTC (link)
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/modweb/dictionary/index.html
is the moderator's dictionary. If you get some sort of password prompt, just ignore it and the page should load.
Modweb might be a bit outdated. I know there was plans to revise it at one point but I don't know what became of those. I should look into that...

And yeah, stuff based off of Gaia avatars or whatever (I've never used it so I don't know what Gaia all offers) is fanart by Elfwood standards. However, if you deviate enough from the avatar that your drawing is no longer recognizable as Gaia-related, and the character doesn't and never will have anything to do with Gaia, then it should be fine. I would just make it clear it's not Gaia related in any way, or don't mention Gaia at all if it's no longer relevant. It's just that Gaia owns their designs, and Elfwood is super catious about anything copyright related.

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[info]phr00tie
2007-01-11 01:19 am UTC (link)
Ooh, thanks for the link! And that makes sense... I'll be sure to make it super clear in my descriptions next time. :D

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2008-02-21 03:50 pm UTC (link)
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