carnet_atelier ([info]carnet_atelier) wrote in [info]egl,
@ 2008-03-24 11:58:00
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harassment
So we've outlined before what the moderation team can/will do in the event of harassment that takes place on [info]egl, but we've gotten a lot of complaints about harassment occurring outside of [info]egl, asking if we can do anything to stop/prevent it. The short answer is no, we can't. We only moderate egl and do our best to keep outside drama off this community - which includes not punishing people for what occurs outside the bounds of our community. If you think someone is planning to bring drama into [info]egl itself let us know and we can ready the banhammer or whatever is necessary, but we can't do anything in the interim. However, if you are being harassed elsewhere on LJ or otherwise need someone other than us to handle things, here's a brief guide summarizing the relevant points from the LJ abuse FAQ:


If you are being harassed on your personal journal:
1. Ban user from commenting. Delete comments.
2. Disable anonymous commenting. (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=23)
3. Disable nonfriends from commenting.
4. Enable screened commenting. (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=134)

If you are harassed on another person's journal:
1. Ask the journal owner to ban the user/disable comments/etc.
2. If this doesn't resolve it/the journal's owner doesn't want to do that just refrain from commenting there.

If you are being harassed in a community:
1. If it's your own post delete/disable/screen comments. Don't reply.
2. If it's someone else's post just don't reply.
3. Contact moderators.

What is considered harassment (in the eyes of LJ abuse):
* Posting someone's contact information (anything that could help someone identify you in real life, this includes real full name, address, phone number, etc.)
* Encouraging people to contact that person with said information.
* Encouraging others to harass someone/inciting violence.
* A journal used solely to harass another user.
* Identity theft (a journal used solely to imitate and misrepresent someone).
* Threatening physical harm with implication of having the means to do so.

What is NOT considered harassment:
* Posting nonidentifyable information (first name, nickname, usernames, etc).
*Posting information found in the user's info or public entries.
* Negative comments/insults. There has to be an invasion of privacy.
* Threatening physical harm without demonstrating the ability to actually carry out the threat.
* Unwanted friending.

Additional terms of service violations:
* Bandwidth theft.
* Ban evasion.
* Posting copyrighted content.
* Instructing others how to break the law.

How to contact LJ abuse:
Fill out the report form (http://www.livejournal.com/abuse/report.bml) and be sure to have evidentiary links to back you up. LJ abuse does not take its job lightly so don't report people over little incidents. Abuse occurring outside of livejournal (such as on instant messenger) will not be acted upon.

If someone is stalking you or threatening you into the real world:
1. Contact the authorities before you contact LJ abuse. This should be obvious. LJ abuse will help the authorities but can't always provide things like Ip addresses or deleted content, and they need a court order to provide other information.

In the end the best way to protect yourself from harassment is not to harass others and stay out of any volatile situations. Don't post any personal information that's easily accessible, and remember that friendslocking doesn't keep people out 100% of the time.

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[info]riji_pon
2008-03-24 04:17 pm UTC (link)
LOL. So much sense this makes.

Judge not lest ye be judged?

Edited at 2008-03-24 04:20 pm UTC

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[info]carnet_atelier
2008-03-24 05:30 pm UTC (link)
It's not that, people have the right to expect that their privacy won't be invaded just because they made some negative comments against someone, but generally if you'd be afraid to own up to something in real life it should stay off the internet as well because it CAN follow you even if it shouldn't. This is just a general guide though because I've had a lot of emails about harassment occuring outside of egl lately, whether it was prompted by the person or not.

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[info]_headrush_
2008-03-24 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Thank you

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[info]shikamarurocks
2008-03-24 04:56 pm UTC (link)
This doesn't have anything to do with this post, exactly, but it does have to do with harrassment inside the community and this post made me think of it. I've noticed that lately within the comm a lot of people are starting to flame others because of certain views and priorities that are different than theirs; a specific example I can think of is when someone asked about lolita in Japan because they had a chance to be a transfer student there. Some people didn't agree with their priorities and reasons for going and pretty much flamed them and acted very rude without contributing anything constructive. It just bothers me that people inside this community would act that way towards others just because they disagree. It bothers me even more to know that I am fourteen and they were substantially older than I, yet acting far less mature. I think this problem does (somehow) need to be addressed, even though you can't control peoples opinions I think that these rude comments can be avoided. /rant Thanks for reading.

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[info]riji_pon
2008-03-24 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for posting this. Even it was a wall of text it was quite interesting.

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[info]shikamarurocks
2008-03-24 05:11 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. :)

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[info]riji_pon
2008-03-24 05:39 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for that :)

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[info]riji_pon
2008-03-24 05:02 pm UTC (link)
Feel free to add me to your friendslist by the way :)

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[info]shikamarurocks
2008-03-24 05:11 pm UTC (link)
Sure thing! =D

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[info]meri_dawn
2008-03-24 05:13 pm UTC (link)
yeah I know what incident are are talking about...
Its strange the things people will pick at in someones post, Ive seen girls make a joke and people go nuts, all the time Im thinking 'eh she was just making a joke she didnt mean anything offensive at all'

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[info]shikamarurocks
2008-03-24 05:17 pm UTC (link)
I agree. I think a lot of people overreact over the internet, and then justify it with saying "It's just the internet not real life." But this community is just as much a society as society in real life is, and they would never say something like that or react like that in real life. =/

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[info]carnet_atelier
2008-03-24 05:23 pm UTC (link)
If something is off-topic and people are arguing about it on egl we can warn them/delete the comments. People just need to tell us about it, since we can't check every post. I check my Lj email every day and I'm on AIM under Cap3man a whole lot as well.

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[info]shikamarurocks
2008-03-24 05:27 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. What was said /was/ sort of on topic, but it was a disagreement of views that led to the flaming and blatant rudeness. I'll remember to report it to you next time I see it happening. =)

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[info]catw07
2008-03-25 03:40 am UTC (link)
I know how you feel. I'm almost 21 and people who are younger than me are always acting like I'm stupid. I got like 4 Get off EGLs for mistakes I made in my first week or so on not only EGL but Livejournal in general. I was just learning about how things work and no one would cut me any slack. I wish everyone would act their age and deal with things in the nicest way possible. You don't have to bitch a person out because they do something wrong or have a different opinion than you. If a post bothers you, just X out of it. If someone makes a mistake, nicely help them fix it. It really isn't that hard to be nice. I just wish we all could get along. I didn't join this community to be picked on. I joined because I like Lolita and want to learn more about and make friends with other Lolitas. I'm glad I'm not the only one who is bothered by the lack of maturity and kindness in this commuunity.

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[info]frillywitch
2008-03-24 05:15 pm UTC (link)
To those who complain of harrasment--

Think of it this way... the Western Lolitas all live in the same town. The EGL community is the town meeting hall, and all the smaller communities like dailylolita and getoffegl are smaller buildings, and personal journals are people's homes.

If lolis are being rude, bitchy, etc in a separate, private builing, the mods of the meeting hall can't very well walk over there and tell them to stop. They might tell the mods that they've heard that the behavior is inappropriate, but its up to the mods and members of that building to decide what they're going to do. The samer thing applies to people's homes (personal journals).

In addition, think of what it would be like if everyone in the little separate buildings came to the meeting hall and started bitching and acting rude there.

If you don't like flaming and making fun of people, stay in the meeting hall, where the mods will take care of you. No one is forcing you to go to the other communities.

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[info]riji_pon
2008-03-24 05:17 pm UTC (link)

In addition, think of what it would be like if everyone in the little separate buildings came to the meeting hall and started bitching and acting rude there.


OH the image that gave me :)

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[info]shikamarurocks
2008-03-24 05:18 pm UTC (link)
IAWTC.

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[info]ichigo_ni_naru
2008-03-24 05:30 pm UTC (link)
You're not making any sense. @__@ Your views and opinions keep changing, it seems.

Lovin' the icon, though. >D

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[info]riji_pon
2008-03-24 05:37 pm UTC (link)
I think she means that being ripped apart on egl is different to being critized in a comm separate from egl.

People should not expect the mods to do anything when it;s something that took place outside the proverbial sand-box.

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[info]shikamarurocks
2008-03-24 05:45 pm UTC (link)
My opinions don't keep changing, as this comment had nothing to do with what I posted above, it had to do with the actual post by carnet about harrassment outside the comm. I was talking about within the comm.

Unless I am misunderstanding here, but I don't think I am. @_@

And thanks. =D

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[info]trancegeminii
2008-03-24 05:46 pm UTC (link)
IAWTC

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[info]missmeganmaude
2008-03-24 05:31 pm UTC (link)
I think what people need to realize is that the internet is no longer detached from real life. Being on the internet has become part of real life, and how you behave on the internet is representative of who you are as a person. You can say things that are uncalled for all you want, but don't expect for people to leave that behind on the internet just because you do.

I have a good example for how the internet affects you in the off-line world. I was working on something with someone I had met through this community, and I was rather afraid of her and some of her friends causing trouble in real life. When I expressed this to her she claimed that she was offended that I could ever think she would behave so unprofessionally. However, I had seen her online behavior as anything but professional. After talking to her personally, I was sure she would have never pulled anything in real life, but from her internet persona alone, I wouldn't have been able to tell.

It goes both ways. Sometimes people are much more cruel than they appear to be online and sometimes they're much sweeter. However, either way, we need to choose what we say and do online carefully. In the end, unless you're posting anonymously, it's all you.

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[info]carnet_atelier
2008-03-24 05:35 pm UTC (link)
I'm totally mean offline :P I'm much nicer online because I don't know people well enough, and things can easily get misinterpreted.
Plus we're given so much more time to think before type, and it's a little more permanent than conversation.

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[info]winter_overture
2008-03-24 06:11 pm UTC (link)
I have to agree with this. There may have been a time when the internet was just a side project for many people and their behavior there didn't really matter, but its come to the point where the internet is such a staple of everyday life, that a different view and approach is needed for it. Some people make their livelihood on the internet, some people spend the majoritiy of their waking hours on it, and for me it is absolutely essential to doing my work for Uni.

People have killed themselves because of things said on the internet, people have sued each other in real life over stolen "internet property" (items in Second Life), etc. It's no longer just a completely autonomous sector of life. The two are indelibly intertwined, and even legislation is changing to try and fit that sentiment. People who see it as "just the internet" might wish to reevalute that opinion, because the times they are a changin'.

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[info]cjheth
2008-03-24 05:48 pm UTC (link)
" Don't post any personal information that's easily accessible, and remember that friendslocking doesn't keep people out 100% of the time."

Slightly off topic, but this is basically why I don't add anyone I don't know to my LJ and have a rule against adding people in my personal RL friends group. LJ is where I go to bitch about personal shit, and get it off my chest. I can't trust the non-close people to keep it to themselves, and I can't trust my RL friends because they're likely to want to 'help'.

Edited at 2008-03-24 05:48 pm UTC

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[info]ayugrey
2008-03-24 10:53 pm UTC (link)
This may be slightly off topic, but I know that after a certain drama-filled post here, there was a vicious thread on a certain anonymous image board. It makes me a bit sad to think that some of the ladies from here were probably fueling the drama and bashing going on in that thread.

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[info]carnet_atelier
2008-03-24 10:58 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that's one of those things where we can't really do anything to help the situation. We wish we could, but it's up the 4chan mods, and I don't know any of the current ones.

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[info]ayugrey
2008-03-24 11:01 pm UTC (link)
Didn't seem like the mods were doing anything to stop it, unfortunately. I read through the whole thread and people were being very horrible and even bringing people into the arguement that seemed to have nothing to do with it, just for the sake of bashing them. I believe someones address, phone number, etc got posted also...thats what made me really sad. I couldn't believe someone would go that far.

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[info]ieatedyourcooki
2008-03-25 03:24 am UTC (link)
It's really sad that it's had to come to this, but thank you for posting. I hope all issues become resolved in a good way in the end.
I think simple things like restraint should be used more often. (not on part of the mods. you gave us an inch and all was well... on egl, but elsewhere... meh.)

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[info]carnet_atelier
2008-03-25 03:31 am UTC (link)
Yeah, we've all been attacked online before, best thing to do is just leave the situation. In a community especially it's better to just step back though so when the banhammer is swung you don't get hit as well.

Though I'll admit to making fun of someone who followed me from egl back to my journal after they were banned to insult me, but I made sure it never got out of hand.

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