heyfoureyes ([info]heyfoureyes) wrote in [info]dykes2watchout4,
@ 2005-06-04 08:53:00
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good editorial seen on smartdykes.com -- what do you all think?
Lack of Money Keeps Lesbians Out of Prime Time

By Cameron Lee
San Francisco Chronicle
Straight people love to talk about gay people. Gay marriage, who is and is not gay, "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy." I'll come clean: It sticks in my craw, for two reasons.

First, these casual comments misrepresent gayness and don't invite gay opinion. Second, when people say "gay," they often think they mean gay and lesbian but really just mean gay. Gay men, and even lesbians, can be guilty of this misusage.

When people talk about neighborhoods, "lifestyle," TV and film, they're talking about gay male culture. Everyone knows where gay men live. You can't miss the rainbow flags. No one, sometimes not even lesbians, knows where lesbians live.

There are gay affairs recounted in the New York Times Style section, but "society lesbians" sounds rather like an oxymoron. Quality films from around the world have gay plots. I am hard-pressed to think of any world-class lesbian films, or any films in which the lesbians are lesbians from beginning to end.

Gay men are the protagonists of hit TV shows like "Queer Eye" and "Will & Grace." Lesbians rarely appear even in minor roles. "Will & Grace" persistently makes lesbians the brunt of "ugly" jokes, but rarely bothers to introduce lesbian characters.

"What about 'The L Word'?" you ask. The characters -- ultra-feminine members of the arts elite who discuss Brazilian waxes over lattes -- are female incarnations of salable gay male stereotypes. The show's L.A. setting gives it an alibi for refusing to put lesbians who look like lesbians on TV.

Gay and lesbian worlds are, in reality, both separate and different. The reason is obvious but rarely discussed: money.
M.V. Lee Badgett tackled the income gap in a 1998 study, which remains essentially unchallenged. Her analysis reveals that lesbians consistently earn less than gay men. Gay couples' incomes closely resemble those of married heterosexual couples; lesbian couples earn 20 percent less on average.

Lesbians' lack of disposable income directly accounts for the absence of lesbian neighborhoods and vacation spots. It also helps account for lesbians' chronic lack of bars (and bars, love them or hate them, are the basic unit of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender [GLBT] public cultures).

Take Seattle, a second-tier lesbian city, for example. It has 14 gay bars and two mixed clubs that average 70 percent men. It has one lesbian bar and two monthly lesbian events.

The gay bars do booming business, and many have recently expanded. Martha Manning, co-owner of Seattle's only full-time lesbian bar, the Wild Rose, confesses, "It is a struggle staying in business."

If we look at gay and lesbian cultures in a historical light, the difference in income looms even larger. Men have always had financial independence. Even now, women earn significantly less than men.

Between 1910 and 1940, only about 25 percent of women worked. Without money to spend, there was no way for lesbians to establish public culture. The lack of lesbian public space isn't just a temporary situation; it is a defining fact of lesbian existence.

Gay bars were abundant in major cities well before World War II. The first lesbian bars cropped up during the war, when working-class women could first earn a living for themselves.

Police dealt aggressively with bar patrons in the 1940s, and middle-class women felt out of place in the rough-and-tumble bar culture that developed.

They rarely braved the loss of their class-bound respectability -- and, with it, their middle-class jobs -- that would result from going to these bars.

Historians of lesbian culture consider it a given that open lesbianism and middle-class women simply didn't go together. There are, however, a few brief moments in which the two almost crossed. They are the most well documented moments in lesbian history, but they are also exceptions that prove the rule.

Around the turn of the 20th century, many upper-middle-class, college- educated women chose to live in pairs, ostensibly so that both could devote themselves to shared charity work. They could get away with living together because it seemed impossible that women -- or, rather, ladies -- would have sex together.

In the 1920s, bohemian women could be fashionably bisexual without penalty in their social circles but could not come out as lesbians. Even bisexuality was tolerable only in Greenwich Village, which was largely gay, and Harlem, where the well-off went to "slum it."

Feminism in the 1970s was largely a middle-class phenomenon and put lesbians on the map. Yet many feminists identified as lesbians more as a political statement than an expression of immutable desire. They tended, like the decent middle-class women they were, to turn their noses up at sex. Their strongest rejection of middle-class values was their idealization of manual labor. What limited visibility lesbianism relied on, as in the 20s, was downward mobility.

Charity work, bohemianism, working-class culture: These enduring affinities reveal that out lesbianism has long been at odds with middle-class values and income.

The mutual exclusivity of lesbians and the middle class does not mean that there are no lesbians who get by in the middle-class world. It means that lesbians can become part of public culture only to the extent that they turn away from their own culture. Lesbians as lesbians have virtually no role in public culture.

Dyke culture's long-standing opposition to middle-class values is one of its most vital and empowering aspects. But the impossibility of middle-class existence for dykes means that we still have to deal with some aspects of homophobia that have been ameliorated for gay men.

Economic disempowerment leaves people more open to the blows of discrimination. Middle-class jobs do not tolerate lesbian attitudes or attire because they suggest that the prospective employee is not already a member of the middle class -- a sin greater even than private perversion.

Navigating the mainstream world is, nonetheless, a necessary evil, and the ability to maintain a distinct cultural identity in the process makes it more palatable. This task poses problems for all minorities, but more so for lesbians than gay men.

Gay men can bring their queer eye to the larger world because they always have: American gay culture developed, beginning in World War I, among a cluster of men involved with fashion and theater in New York. Because the differences aren't as politically fraught for gay men, the gay community is not as divided by questions of visibility and outness as the lesbian community. In many ways, gay male culture stylizes the "good taste" spending power allows. The middle class loves this about gay men.

The arts, journalism, even politics: All have openly gay men in prominent positions. All have a marked dearth of out lesbians. The numbers may be different in the Bay Area, but the proportions are not.

The vacuum left by the absence of dykes in the public sphere exerts its influence in complex, indefinable ways, making it a major challenge of out life.

We ought at least to hear the resounding silence of the L word when we chat in self-congratulatory fashion about all things.



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[info]sinboy
2005-06-04 03:22 pm UTC (link)
In some ways, the seperation of the lesbian and gay communities is inevitable. I don't know that gay men and lesbians have all that much in common. In my experience, the smaller communities are more dinclusive, and the larget ones, like San Francisco, tend to be more distinct. In SF, you've got gay bars that are not particularly welcoming to women, and lesbian bars that aren't welcoming to men. There are 'bear' or 'leathermen' events that are men-centric, and events like the Dyke march that are women centric.

I'd prefer it if more gay malle groups were interested in gender eqality, but it's hard to communicate the idea that the patriarchy is something that queer men benefit from. We're opressed. When we *think* we're getting called opressors, we feel indignant. Or at least I did when I was first confronted with the idea. I'm guessing that other queer men feel the same.

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[info]lavendersparkle
2005-06-04 08:06 pm UTC (link)
Middle-class jobs do not tolerate lesbian attitudes or attire because they suggest that the prospective employee is not already a member of the middle class

Maybe I'm just too literalist (or British) but surely it's easier to be a dyke in middle class professions than in working class profession because the middle classes tend to be more tolerant of sexual diversity than the working classes. Surely it's easier to be a lesbian university professor than a lesbian beautician, for example.

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[info]taxishoes
2005-06-04 09:26 pm UTC (link)
I have a sneaking suspicion that "lesbian attitudes or attire" here is a euphemism for "butch".

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[info]luna_virgo
2005-06-05 11:10 pm UTC (link)
Thank you.

The phrase from the article, "lesbians who look like lesbians", irritates me. I can't tell you how many times I've been told, "You don't look like a lesbian". My usual response is "I'm sorry, my uniform is at the cleaners".

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Sceptical
[info]ubergreenkat
2005-06-04 10:32 pm UTC (link)
while i think that this article makes some good points, it ignores several relevant factors in its analysis, 1 - that lesbian couples have a far higher rate of child bearing/caring than do gay male couples, thus leading to an economic disadvantage, 2 - women in general are less well-educated than men, and hit a glass ceiling because of their gender, not because of their sexual orientation. As [info]taxishoes pointed out, this article seems to take exception to that women who are categorised as "butch" are the subject of a lot of what is in this article.

This article also makes a lot of assumtions about what the author refers to as "public culture." while this is of course, an issue, it is not (in my opinion) a problem that needs a lot of our attention. I am currently reading a book called Dyke Life which is an anthology edited by Karla Jay. The book was published in 1995, and though it is ten years old, it makes some good points but is hindered by assuming that outside of a bar scene, lesbians do not have a space to meet one another. this article makes the same assumptions. I am always weary of blaming things on the internet, but in this case I believe it's warranted, and is not blame, per se. The internet has allowed women to connect to one another in ways that were never forseen.

The idea that lower incomes lead to fewer bars leads to less "public culture" is, while not necessarily flawed, but definitely a limited view of what it means to be a lesbian, and also buys into a gay male model for what our public culture ought to be. It may be womens' art collectives or menstrual health centres, or most prominently soft ball and rugby teams. Certainly it is not particularly trendy to be a lesbian, but does that really matter? To me, in this regard, the article seems to be asking not "in what ways can lesbians become more visible members of the dominant culture?" but is asking "why can't I go to bars and meet other lesbians?"

and a last word about the L Word. There are lesbians in higher tax brackets. They exist. They have friends. They also make better TV. I would rather see TV that treats lesbians like human beings than as some sort of "pink collar TV" to be laughed at.

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Re: Sceptical
[info]heyfoureyes
2005-06-04 10:49 pm UTC (link)
ubergreenkat -- actually, women in general are more well-educated than men (in n.america.) we have better high school grades, more undergraduate degrees, and more advanced master's degrees than men. what do we get for all that? often, the secretary chair -- being the one doing the real work behind some figurehead male.

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[info]tambree
2005-06-05 02:52 pm UTC (link)
I'd like to post this in my journal, and I would give you credit for showing this to us. It's a great piece and more women need to be aware of it. Thank you very much.

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[info]kettleoverapub
2005-06-05 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Did anyone else notice that the lesbian history section and the talk of class did not directly address race, but rather assumed whiteness?

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[info]killerqueen42
2005-06-06 09:14 am UTC (link)
hehe yes, how deliciously ironic:)

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[info]killerqueen42
2005-06-06 09:13 am UTC (link)
I never thought about it in terms of money before, but I definitely notice when "gay culture" is only meant to mean "gay male culture". However I always assumed that alot of it had to do with lesbians being percieved as 'less threatening' then gay men, and thus less worthy of attention in the public sphere. I mean I've lost count of how many homophobes I've heard who reason that "gayness" is disgusting/evil because of anal sex, and anal sex alone. But it also has a bit to do with the attitude among so many straight guys that lesbians either exist soley for their tittilation, or epitomize an undesiarable woman. Hell in almost all pop culture women are the "other" or the object while men are the universal, the subject. Frankly I think that even if lesbians had all the money in the world, as long as the 'universal' shows, books and movies are written by straight men, attitudes are unlikely to change.

And as for The L Word, I've never seen it but I'm not holding my breath for ANY woman on tv, gay or straight, to look like a woman in real life:P

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[info]munchkinbecky
2005-07-31 02:06 pm UTC (link)
on the "gay excludes lesbian" point...

in the last week i have come across three instances of the phrase "homosexual and lesbian" used which i found even more disturbing. one in the description of a book on queer tv i have contributed to (apparently the publisher's fault not the editors) and then two (gay male) academics of sexuality. is that not totally weird? according to these people who spend their lives thinking about sexuality i am suddenly not a homosexual. maybe they've been spending too much time with the straight guys...

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