marrus ([info]marrus) wrote in [info]dragoncon,
@ 2008-06-03 11:16:00
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I initially posted this in my private journal...
...but on getting the news today that my former co-worker, Jim Perham, from Valiant Comics just died of heart failure, and seeing so MANY people in fandom struck down by similar issues (I've been averaging one loss like this a month, for too, too long), I thought that I'd put it out here as well. Apologies to the mods if it's inappropriate.


I’ve had a weight problem all my life. That I’m chesty & hippy and short waisted & not tall doesn’t help matters.

The top half & lousy eyes & knocky knees & wheezy cough & flat feet ensured that sports weren’t much fun for me when I was a kid, and I wanted to be reading or drawing or writing anyway.

I grew up on simple meals: pork chops & apple sauce, French cut string beans (yucky!!), spaghetti, roasted chicken, and there was always fruit in the fridge. We had cookies & licorice in the house, but we didn’t live on chips & fried foods. But, the plate had to be clean, and meals were often emotionally loaded, and the amounts of what I ate got bigger and bigger, and this coupled with the low levels of exercise ensured that I was always kinda round.

When I got older, I joined a gym, and lifted weights, and ran, and rowed, and sweated like a broken refrigerator, and MAYBE got down ten pounds. I couldn’t understand it. I was working out five days a week, busting my ass, and NOTHING was happening. I got my thyroid tested. It was just fine.

I grew despondent, frustrated. Clothes never fit well. The summertime Thigh Chafe Plague. The self-loathing. Why the hell didn’t the outside of me look like the inside of me?? Inside, I was agile, beautiful, elegant, quick, my mind a lean rip of sinew and lightening. Outside, I was a round, dumpy earth mother, good for making goulash and plowing the fields.

My dad died of a diabetes-tinged heart attack when he was 51. He’d had the disease since he’d been 17, but he never took very good care of himself. When we hugged, his belly was that hard, round press against me that pointed to layers of constricting fat around his internal organs. I mourned the absence of him, I still do, every day, but the shape of his body etched harder in my brain than the expression on his face or the shape of his hands.

And I’m seeing that shape more and more among Fandom. Kink, sci-fi fantasy worlds & renfaires are so inclusive of everybody, that no one ever wants to tell any one, “No, this thing you’re doing is not alright.”

I think it has something to do with us living so much in our heads. Fandom is packed with REALLY smart people, many of whom, like me, didn’t have the best time of it when it came to sports or thinking about our physicality. I can’t speak for you, but I could spend hours in a book, mindlessly popping sour cream & onion potato chip after sour cream & onion potato chip into my maw, lost in a world light years away from third grade bullies and the Presidential Fitness Test.

But now, people are dying.

Lots of them. Wonderful, bright people. Organized, driven people. Amazing people that leave a hole in my heart by their absence.

And because telling someone you love, “You’re fat, and I want to help you” is somehow so much scarier than “You’re an alcoholic, and I want to help you”, we go about our day, and ignore the signs in ourselves, in our friends, in our lovers. The wheezing. The bad joints. The lack of energy. The mottled skin.

The end of last year, I got on a scale, and was stunned by the number. 178 pounds. I’m 5’4”. Almost.

I’d been watching that number creep steadily upwards with only one or two downward ticks in 20 years. I’m almost forty. If I didn’t get a handle on it fast, 180, 200, 250 were waiting with moist, pudgy faces and labored breathing, just over the next hill.

I looked at my diet. I’d looked at it before, a thousand times. I couldn’t see what was wrong with it – salads, chicken, turkey burgers, fruit, some ice cream here & there. I watered down juices. I didn’t drink sugary sodas. I rode my bike around town & even worked out on occasion.

I decided to go outside of myself, and gave Nutrisystem a try. The food’s palatable, and it’s easy to prepare, but it was the AMOUNT of food that confirmed my suspicion:

WHAT I’d been eating was just fine. THE AMOUNT I’d been eating was about 3 times more food than I needed.

A bowl of cereal is what will fit, dry, in a cupped hand, NOT a big, double tiered bowl with a whole banana chopped into it that you eat in front of your favorite TV show, and then when your show’s over, but the thing on afterwards isn’t THAT bad, and you have milk left, so you pour in some more cereal, but oops, that’s too much, better add a bit more milk...

A piece of meat is NOT pound of burger, dripping with two pieces of cheese & mayo & ketchup on a big whole wheat bun. It’s a piece the size of your hand if you cut your fingers off.

It doesn’t matter if you eat a big bowl of steamed broccoli if it’s layered in butter & three kinds of cheeses.

I’ve learned that if I want a big varied dinner, that’s fine, but I need to adjust the amount I eat for lunch & breakfast. And, if I’ve over done it the day before, I need to watch my ass (and my intake) the next day.

I’ve learned that I overeat to procrastinate, or because I’m lonely, or because I “have to finish what’s in front of me”.

I’ve learned to put my food on smaller plates, because the marketing aimed at Americans insists that we have HUGE plates of food, which OVERFLOW the borders of those plates, and we are MISSING OUT if we see the slightest bit of negative space buried within the vast cornucopia we’re about to force down our gullets.

I’m a visual girl. I fell for the trap. Hell, just look at a toothpaste commercial. See the way the toothpaste is layered on, all along the toothbrush, and then squeeze out just a bit more, so it backtracks on itself? That’s so you get visually conditioned to go through toothpaste faster, and yup – buy MORE toothpaste.

They’ve been doing this to us with food as well, and we’re killing ourselves as a result.

I want to be around a long time. Hell, I want to be around FOREVER, until I’m ready to move to the next level. I want you around, too.

If you’re a guy, and your belly is hard and round, and projects like a bowling ball, it’s not a cute party keg. It’s an indicator that you’ve got fat packed around your heart, and it’s having a harder & harder time beating. And you’re killing yourself.

If you’re a girl, and the girth of your belly exceeds your chest or hips, or you’ve got huge rolls above & below your bra strap, you might call yourself a Rubinesque goddess. You’re also killing yourself.

Before I get jumped on, this post is not about buying into a thin-freak culture. I have no desire to be a bony size zero. But there’s a difference between loving our bodies the way they are, and slowly killing ourselves because we don’t take a hard look at our actions & emotions & the reasons we’re overweight.

I got on the scale this morning. I’m down twenty pounds. I’m stunned. I actually had to go out & buy a pair of pants two sizes smaller than everything in my closet cuz my stuff was starting to look like a punchline on me.

I think I’m figuring out how to do this. I hope this time it sticks. And I hope that by baring my struggle here, I can help someone out there with their own.



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[info]lilacwire
2008-06-03 04:40 pm UTC (link)
I might get flamed six ways to hell for commenting since I'm a skinny girl, but what a great post. I honestly think that Americans need to learn more about sizing portions - I've been focusing on this myself, looking toward the future and knowing that the metabolism I'm blessed with will slow down, that I had grandfathers die of heart attacks.

Cheers to you.

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[info]foehelm
2008-06-03 05:00 pm UTC (link)
There might possibly be more (unwritten) flaming that you made a point to include that you are skinny in a post about people's weight than merely stating what a great post it is. BTW, I'm not flaming you; it is a great post. No matter what size you are.

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[info]dependonyou
2008-06-03 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for this. It's good to see that there are other people out there, in our fandoms, in our world, that are going through the same thing. And what you're saying is showing me that I'm on SOME sort of right track. I'm just not seeing these changes you are. So I have to work harder for it, I suppose. Good luck with your goal, and I'll continue to work towards mine. <3

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[info]antynora
2008-06-03 07:56 pm UTC (link)
Yea! I'll be keeping you in my good thoughts. I admire those people who can keep going even in the face of little or no results. I haven't found a way to do that as far as my caffeen addiction is concerned. It's like... I know I need to stop, but it tastes so good, and I need that good taste of latte, or pepsi, or stuff like that. The worst part about it is that I don't get headaches when I do try to cut myself off. I just don't want to because I feel like I need the yumminess. Does that make sense?

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(no subject) - [info]dependonyou, 2008-06-03 07:58 pm UTC

[info]lanofaylin
2008-06-03 04:46 pm UTC (link)
As someone currently on the front in the battle of the bulge for my health's sake, I applaud, encourage and support you!

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[info]mushroom104
2008-06-03 04:56 pm UTC (link)
Keep up the good work!

I've been working out at the gym 4 days a week for the last year. I haven't lost any weight but I have put on some muscle and stayed the same weight..which means I must be losing fat somewhere. Muscle weight is a lot healthier than fat weight.

Eating out is a big part of the problem with portion sizes. I went out to a Thai restaurant this weekend. I ate enough to make me feel satisfied and then took the rest home and made TWO more meals out of it. People think that the amount of food they get in a restaurant meal is the portion they should be eating on a regular basis. Seriously, as soon as you get your plate, ask for a box, cut the meal in half, and put half in the box to take home for the next day. You'll save money and improve your health. Also, drink water, skim milk or un-sweet/artificially sweetened tea with your meals. All of those are a lot healthier than sodas.



Edited at 2008-06-03 04:58 pm UTC

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[info]atomicdave
2008-06-03 04:59 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I tipped the scales recently at a weight I never thought I'd reach in a million years.

Thank you for this - I know instinctively that I'm not alone but it helps to hear others talk about it.

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[info]moo58
2008-06-03 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, what you & Dave said. I too am glad I'm not the only fat one in this fandom who is concerned about it. I want to be more comfortable in my costume this year and be able to walk the parade without huffing & puffing 5 minutes into it.

Thanks for this post.

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[info]stargatedragon
2008-06-03 05:07 pm UTC (link)
hey, you GO GIRL!!!

me, I'm working on the Wii Fit. And trying to NOT think about all the bad food I've literally accumulated around my waist over the years...

:(

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[info]hxcpunkchick
2008-06-03 05:18 pm UTC (link)
The WiiFit is so much fun! And not only do you get a great workout (my thighs and abs STILL are killing me), but it works on your balance as well. I think changing the size of your Mii also helps in encouraging too.

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(no subject) - [info]stargatedragon, 2008-06-03 05:27 pm UTC

[info]rick_day
2008-06-03 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Cutting down on portions and changing eating times are the hardest habits to break. If I could change the way I eat (portion and frequency) and get more rest, I could reverse the liver damage that is currently draining me of energy and hope for a long life.

I know this. It is not the 'slow, indirect' method of morbidity you describe in your wonderful post, its is 'here and now'. And yet, knowing this, I still can not yet change. My life is built around when I can grab that one or two big meals of the day, even if 85% of the time they are 'healthy meals'.

Eating in cars while driving should be as illegal as attempted suicide because that is what it is, IMHO.

There will be a lot of eyes opened to the OP. Unfortunately, the ingrained impression of endless consumption will be found as difficult to kick as nicotine or heroin.

The gods help us all.

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[info]skittle61
2008-06-03 05:14 pm UTC (link)
Aerobics track at D*C '08!

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[info]childofmetis
2008-06-03 05:30 pm UTC (link)
I would attend that!

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[info]haldira
2008-06-03 05:28 pm UTC (link)
Great post. Moderation is key. You don't have to deprive yourself of the foods you love - but don't overindulge.

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[info]tardisian
2008-06-03 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Wonderful post.

I am type II diabetic, controlling it with diet & exercise. What helped at the beginning of this (7 years ago, when I ballooned up to 190 lbs after a car accident...broken ankle, unable to move around & hubby doesn't cook...and I'm 5' 4") was doing a "food diary". You'd be amazed at what you put in your mouth during the day (if you're HONEST about it!). ;)

I'm currently at 14.5 lbs away from my goal weight of 125. Hoping to get there by D*C, as I deliberately bought one of my costumes a size too small! :)

Slow and steady, food the right kind and portion for your body; light to moderate exercise; decent sleep. Better that it comes off slow than fast.
Keep slogging away; you'll get there!

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[info]astaria51
2008-06-03 05:36 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for this.

I think there's something to be said for portioning food: hell, even those damn 100-calorie packs are pretty cool, because while by no means are little chocolate crackers the same thing as Oreos, it's a great exercise in how MUCH you should be snacking.

I try to stay body-positive, and love the body I'm in and I think a lot of the time it's hard to say "I should eat less" and say "I am beautiful". People tend to say "I'm fat, therefore I should eat less" or "I'm at my goal weight" or "I'm too skinny, I need to bulk up."

And it's not about that; it's about being healthy. If you're tiny with no muscle tone, that's probably not healthy. If you're bigger but proportionate, with good blood pressure and heart rate, you don't need to diet. Everyone should get some exercise. And I think that - health - is what people need to focus on.

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[info]tenner
2008-06-03 05:37 pm UTC (link)
As always, Randall Munroe says it best:



Any mental hacks that help are well-worth the self-deceit.

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[info]astaria51
2008-06-03 08:41 pm UTC (link)
Ahaha, ftw.

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[info]tardisian
2008-06-03 05:44 pm UTC (link)
I find that if you ask in restaurants, the will substitute, say, fresh steamed veggies, raw veggies or fruit for fries. And with the food court restaurants at D*C (like the Cajun or Chinese), ask them to put only HALF of what they usually put in the containers. (Unfortunately, they will still charge you full price, but at least you know you're eating less! :) )

For myself, cardio (bike, elliptical, stairs or treadmill), plus "mat work" (Pilates or the like) plus light weights=good exercise. Fresh fruit & veggies, lean meats, light dairy & whole grains for food. Am still able to have my precious chocolate (oops, channeled Gollum there!), if I just have a little at a time. My blood sugar's dropped, as well as BP, but need to work on the cholesterol. :(

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[info]dependonyou
2008-06-03 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Alternately, split the meal with a friend. My fiancee and I usually order one food court meal, and split it.

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[info]lady_kathana
2008-06-03 05:50 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for posting this. I'm so tired of people telling me I look fine when I'm 40 pounds over weight. I don't need to be told I look "fine". I need encouragement and support.

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[info]marrus
2008-06-03 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Exactly, and amen;)

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[info]oriencor
2008-06-03 05:52 pm UTC (link)
It's a good honest truth. I know the FA's movement's out there, and I like some of what they're doing .. but the honest truth is that our portion size is out of control.

It's a real eye opener when you see what really consistutes a meal in comparison to what you get when you eat out.

My Pop died from a heart attack at 47, he had a pot belly and that fat build up around his heart killed him. He was fit other wise - swam, walked could lift me easily with no effort... now I'm working on carving off the weight I've put on since his death. It's hard work, but in the end, it's worth it.

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[info]dustbunnygirl
2008-06-04 12:23 am UTC (link)
And you're doing a damn good job of it, too. *hugs*

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[info]tomreedtoon
2008-06-03 05:55 pm UTC (link)
I'm a little bothered by this post because of its connection to the Nutrisystem cult. Which, like any other cult, is more dedicated to suppressing free will and taking your money than in helping you.

Look, making small changes to your lifestyle and sticking to them is better than any "God, I Must Rebuild Myself" pledges. I went through too many of those; drinking damned Sego meal replacements instead of lunch in school, Weight Watchers (two times), enrolled in a gym which did no good, eating sandwiches with lettuce instead of bread (because wheat is EEE-vil) and all the rest.

I did better by moderating my food, taking regular non-expensive exercise like walking (helping a friend walk her dog), drinking more water including ice in my diet sodas, sleeping better and longer with a CPAP machine, and other sensible small steps. I've lost weight and kept it off; I'm still no Greek god and never will be, but I'm healthier and wearing smaller pants.

I realize the Original Poster suddenly had this attack of concern for all of us, and it is appreciated, but Grand Plans to remake your life usually fail because they're unsustainable. Simple steps, one at a time and maintained, will do you better.

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[info]marrus
2008-06-03 06:02 pm UTC (link)
It's not my intention to "connect" to Nutrisystem, other than that I'm learning what correct portion sizes are in relation to what I've been shoving into my head all my life.

And, truth be told, I'm not sticking to it 100% - I still have a dinner or two out, drink alcohol (I live in New Orleans, they'd take away my card if I didn't drink!) and just try to focus on my intake in general.

I've been at this since December, and it's resulted in about 20 pounds off. Watching friend after co-worker after parent after friend die is what caused my "attack of concern". I also work a lot of shows & cons, and have seen the body shapes grow larger & larger.

Just wanted to speak up. No offense, or Nutri-proselytizing intended.

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[info]gothicbeauty21
2008-06-03 06:07 pm UTC (link)
I'm in the same boat. 5'0, extremely top heavy and hippy and short waisted, and two years ago I topped out at 250lbs. I had no idea when or how I got that big. I didn't LOOK that big. I didn't FEEL that big. I tried diet and exercise and portion control but my metabolism was wonky enough that it didn't work. I had a LAP band installed and lost 60lbs in the first year. Over the second year, when I was back on a full diet and depending on myself to control what goes in my mouth, the weight started coming back on -- I stopped exercising. Those of us with SERIOUS weight problems have to keep all three going at once -- quality control, portion control, and exercise/activity. Lapse on any of them and it really does set you back.

Fortunately for me I'm not diabetic, I have no cholesterol problems, my blood pressure is perfect, and I'm not asthmatic. I'm just fat :P I took serious steps to get myself under control early, because I didn't want to wind up like my parents -- with all the horrible obesity diseases and disorders.

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[info]afallingfaerie
2008-06-03 08:04 pm UTC (link)
I am also 5'0" and topped 164 earlier this year. WTF? But I started watching portion control, exercising and cut out fried foods, and am down to 135. Which I am happy with.

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(no subject) - [info]marrus, 2008-06-03 08:09 pm UTC

[info]vixendarkfairy
2008-06-03 06:15 pm UTC (link)
VERY well-written! Portions are definitely the hidden killer. For a few years, I tried to swallow diet sodas and fat-free foods, but in the end I found I am skinnier and happier when I stick to REAL sugar and non-filled meats and dressings -- but eat them all on smaller plates.

I also walk on a treadmill at least 3 days a week, for 1 3/4 - 2 1/2 miles each time. My godfather has to walk 2 miles/day for his heart, doctor's orders. Since I am getting older, my goal is to work up to that. Perhaps if we all had been brought up to walk 2 miles a day since childhood, heart disease would be less of a killer in the U.S.

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[info]rangerlyn
2008-06-03 06:16 pm UTC (link)
I can't see as how your post would be construed as offensive, as you are expressing a genuine concern, not only for your own health but the health of your fellow fans. Sounds to me like you are doing the best things you can - portion size, exercise, etc. My husband and I actually split one entree between the two of us whenever we eat out (which is seldom), knowing that it will be more than enough to satisfy, and if we decide to have a dessert, we pick the least damaging and split that, too.

Bravo to you and everyone else who is working on getting healthier! I know it's not easy (I've been trying to drop these last 5 pounds to my ideal weight for several months :P), but nothing worth anything ever is!

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[info]holdouttrout
2008-06-03 06:21 pm UTC (link)
I really don't think this is an appropriate forum for this post.

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[info]kairi_kiss
2008-06-03 06:21 pm UTC (link)
you wrote an inspiring and heartfelt post, and i did not even notice a connection to any cultist practices, i thought it was just a term for managing your food intake using a nutritionist or something

When i go visiting in the states, like to D*Con, the amount of food on the plates actually scares me!! You indeed have a great challenge in that area, especially because of the whole finish your plate syndrome, we have that here in Canada too.

i think it was very brave of you to make this post, brave and caring, you have much to be proud of

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[info]robio
2008-06-03 06:21 pm UTC (link)
This is a good post, and while not directly related to D*C it certainly applies to a lot of the crowd. You get to see a lot of flesh at D*C and it's not always a good thing. Sadly I think the philosophy of "being happy with who you are" has evolved into "be happy with who you are and don't worry about self improvement."

That's not right though. Being even just a little overweight has health risks. I'm 6'1" and 185 lbs (ideal weight for my height according to Wii Fit), and recently I've had to face some realities regarding health risks because of my diet and exercise (and obscene caffeine intake).

And to bring this back to D*C, everyone reading this needs to start getting in a little cardio in over the next 100 days. Walking up 10 flights of stairs isn't such a bad thing and will eliminate a lot of waiting for the elevator.

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[info]dementia
2008-06-03 07:12 pm UTC (link)
YES!!! There we go... I say turn this thread into ways to be healthier at Dragoncon..

TAKE THE STAIRS!!!! GOOD CARDIO!!!

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[info]splash_the_cat
2008-06-03 07:11 pm UTC (link)
I also think that this in a completely inappropriate post for a convention information community. While you feel it may be related to the greater D*C fannish community, I get enough of this weight and body image and health lecturing everywhere else.

If you feel this strongly about the issue, create a new community for interested D*C congoers and fans. But this is not the place for it.

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[info]marrus
2008-06-03 07:33 pm UTC (link)
We lost Patrick Roberts recently as well, who nurtured the Dragoncon Art Show into the amazing event it is today.

I put the post, with the majority of it behind a cut, to the mods, and they approved it. If it doesn't pertain to you, then don't read it.

All the room begging doesn't pertain to me, so I don't read that;)

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(no subject) - [info]splash_the_cat, 2008-06-03 07:46 pm UTC
Then you have my apologies for misleading you. - [info]marrus, 2008-06-03 07:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]veracity, 2008-06-07 11:21 am UTC

[info]piratesorka
2008-06-03 07:51 pm UTC (link)
Congrats on having the nerve to voice the unpopular, the scary thought about weight and fandom. I've taken notice of the size of people in fandom too and it is distressing. Most of us sit too long in front of the computer or with a book and we Just.Don't.Move....except for food.
I'm one of them. I'm exactly the woman you described above.

Luckily for me I woke up and took a careful reexamination of my life and knew I wasn't happy about it. All the things I couldn't do anymore. Bleh. I've lost 36 pounds so far...I've had a setback but I am working hard to get back to where I need to be with this new lifestyle change. Its not about getting skinny or wearing fashionable clothes. Its about my life. I want to live.
What you have said is just like the story of The Emperors New Clothes. NObody likes to voice something unpopular and leave yourself open to being flamed. Bravo to you. Keep going with what works for you.

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[info]marrus
2008-06-03 07:59 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, and congratulations to you! The woman I described is me, too;)

And I haven't gotten outright flamed, but I have pissed a few people right off, and I apologize for it, but losing three young, vibrant people in this community in as many months is just too, too many.

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