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"The Fires of Pompeii" - Spoilery speculation on the Doctor's real name
My soothsaying of the longest-running secret in the Whoniverse, based on the soothsaying in this episode (clip posted below, for those of us in America who haven't seen the full episode yet):

"Your name burns in the stars ... in the Cascade of Medusa herself ..."

In "Last of the Time Lords," the Master mentioned that the Doctor had single-handedly sealed the rift at the Medusa Cascade.

In "The Shakespeare Code," we saw the literal power that words and numbers have in the NuWhoniverse, both to bind and to release certain forces.

In the podcast commentary on the BBC website for "The Girl in the Fireplace," writer Steven Moffat suggested that, since the Doctor doesn't even tell his closest companions his real name, there must be a "dreadful secret" about it.

And in The Making of Doctor Who, written by Terrance Dicks and Malcolm Hulke, and published in 1972, it was claimed that the Doctor's real name is a string of Greek and mathematical symbols.

Since I don't recall the Medusa Cascade ever being mentioned on either the classic or the current series before LotTL, it's entirely possible that the Doctor sealed the rift there very early on in his life.

So, here's my theory:

The Doctor's real name is the equation which keeps the forces contained at the Medusa Cascade, which he can never reveal again as a result, and the loss of that part of his identity was his first terrible sacrifice as a Time Lord.




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[info]charlycrash
2008-04-16 07:23 am UTC (link)
And in The Making of Doctor Who, written by Terrance Dicks and Malcolm Hulke, and published in 1972, it was claimed that the Doctor's real name is a string of Greek and mathematical symbols.

Like zees?



I reckon his name's actually Pubert and he's just embarassed of it.

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[info]lefaym
2008-04-16 08:40 am UTC (link)
Maybe those symbols/equations are the way that you spell "Pubert" on Gallifrey. :)

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[info]doctordiehard
2008-04-16 02:00 pm UTC (link)
From what ep is your awesome pic?

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[info]nnwest
2008-04-16 03:20 pm UTC (link)
That's 'Remembrance of the Daleks'. Seventh Doc ep.

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[info]doctordiehard
2008-04-16 03:45 pm UTC (link)
OK, thanks!

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[info]qthewetsprocket
2008-04-16 07:57 am UTC (link)
*rubs chin*

hrm...i like this idea. i like it very much.

of course, i also like the idea that his real name is euphosina hortense and he's just unspeakably embarrassed by it, but there you go.

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[info]kittykat2305
2008-04-16 08:12 am UTC (link)
I like that idea, but then in that case what would it mean if it were ever revealed, or like others have said it could be something he is embarrassed by. then again on the flip side of that maybe it's just Bob and I mean where's the mystery in that. Time Lord Bob of the TARDIS.

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[info]box_in_the_box
2008-04-16 08:40 am UTC (link)
I like that idea, but then in that case what would it mean if it were ever revealed [...]

Then whatever is on the other side of the rift at the Medusa Cascade would finally be unleashed, and just as a guess, that would probably be bad.

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[info]gritsinmisery
2008-04-16 12:24 pm UTC (link)
I'm a little fuzzy on this whole good-bad thing...

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[info]box_in_the_box
2008-04-16 06:06 pm UTC (link)
Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously, and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

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[info]gritsinmisery
2008-04-16 06:47 pm UTC (link)
...aaand that would be bad. Ok, important safety tip -- thanks, Egon.

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[info]valsadie
2008-04-16 11:33 am UTC (link)
I am also down with the Bob. Perfect mathematical construct, same backwards as forwards. Bob. Bob! Bob.

Edited at 2008-04-16 11:33 am UTC

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[info]box_in_the_box
2008-04-16 06:06 pm UTC (link)
So ... the Doctor's terrible secret is that he killed Laura Palmer?

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[info]violent_giggles
2008-04-16 07:18 pm UTC (link)
Actually, it's that he's really a woman dressed as a boy, come to London to seek his fortune, as he is clever and has a pretty nose.

But he could have made a fortune lying on his back.

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[info]clarequilty
2008-04-16 08:12 pm UTC (link)
GET OUT OF MY HEAD. Hehe.

I like Bob, too.

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[info]ultimateairn
2008-04-16 02:01 pm UTC (link)
Aw. That icon is cute! :)

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[info]kshandra
2008-04-16 03:34 pm UTC (link)
I got the shirt for $WINTERHOLIDAY last year.

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[info]kittykat2305
2008-04-17 09:36 am UTC (link)
That's actually the picture I formed the icon out of. I really want that one and the one that matches this icon, however there's another one I like that has the screwdriver on it and says Who looks at a screwdriver and thinks "ooohhh this could be a little more sonic?"

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[info]glow_boy
2008-04-16 08:18 am UTC (link)
I think we already know his name. It's Fred. He never saw himself as a Fred but he didn't hate it so when Romana came along he decided to give the name to her. She didn't seem grateful though for some reason.

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[info]nebbity
2008-04-16 08:48 am UTC (link)
I love this theory. A lot. I honestly hope we never find out the Doctor's real name or why he keeps it such a secret (I don't think even the writers know) but I really love this idea.

To add my own elaboration; what if rather than using it to contain the Medusa Cascade, he sacrificed it to end the Time War? It's a bit wibbly-wobbly as speculation goes, since it's been missing since long before the Time War, but it's contantly stated that Gallifrey was completely erased from time. Why couldn't his name be the same way, to the extent that it was even erased from his own past? I've always wondered why even other Time Lords don't seem to know his real name, when they keep a record of every cell in his body.

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[info]tommx
2008-04-16 01:27 pm UTC (link)
Given the way names seem to go on Gallifrey, his name is probably something along the lines of Thetalorobasidalliforportiofflapirdosigmafillydoolixparanflutidiousman

or something like that.

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[info]scarfman
2008-04-16 09:11 am UTC (link)

since the Doctor doesn't even tell his closest companions his real name, there must be a "dreadful secret" about it

He's perfectly prepared to come out with it casually in front of Peri in part one of The Mysterious Planet (part one of Trial of a Time Lord). There were rumors for months beforehand that we were finally going to hear it.

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[info]snoopygal327
2008-04-16 11:30 am UTC (link)
Hmmmm... I like this idea. I don't think they'll ever tell us, but this is a nice idea.

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[info]timelordwannabe
2008-04-16 11:40 am UTC (link)
Methinks it's Morris. Or Eric.

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[info]arib
2008-04-16 12:04 pm UTC (link)
Perhaps his name is Yodel Lahey.

Think about it.

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[info]givemethewhip
2008-04-16 02:23 pm UTC (link)
HA! I LOLed. Brilliant.

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[info]shaxophile
2008-04-16 02:27 pm UTC (link)
*appreciative clap*

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[info]immiinthetardis
2008-04-16 03:15 pm UTC (link)
I fell for it. *claps*

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[info]dirgni19
2008-04-16 03:57 pm UTC (link)
Well played, my friend, well played :p

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[info]blue_aeon
2008-04-16 05:42 pm UTC (link)
That is facepalm-ingly brilliant.

Took me three reads to get it but I got there in the end.

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[info]greggyhouzer
2008-04-17 05:04 am UTC (link)
still lost? man, i suck.

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[info]leoff
2008-04-16 12:49 pm UTC (link)
What if his name is something like Thomas Hughes Edward Doctor?

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[info]glass_juju
2008-04-16 03:27 pm UTC (link)
Very "new Who". This is not a compliment. ;p

Can we have JNT back? I never thougth I'd think of "Timelash" and "Time and the Rani" as part of the good old days.

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[info]leoff
2008-04-16 03:59 pm UTC (link)
Except...

in 30+ years of the show's previous history, we've never heard of the Medusa Cascade. And it's hinted by the Master that the Doctor Sealing the Rift at the Meducsa Cascade happened because of or about the time of the Time War.

So why would the Doctor have a name that's a mathematical equasion for something that hasn't yet occured?

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[info]box_in_the_box
2008-04-16 06:17 pm UTC (link)
in 30+ years of the show's previous history, we've never heard of the Medusa Cascade.

And we'd never heard about the Master hearing drums in any of his previous appearances, either.

So why would the Doctor have a name that's a mathematical equasion for something that hasn't yet occured?

The fact that we're talking about a time-traveler opens the doors to all sorts of non-chronologically sequential possibilities.

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[info]leoff
2008-04-17 04:44 pm UTC (link)
Not in his own timeline it doesn't.

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[info]falltotry
2008-04-18 12:14 am UTC (link)
it does if the time war totally fucked up his timeline. i mean, he's from a place that never existed, isn't he?

just sayin'.

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[info]ambrosia_1
2008-04-17 12:52 am UTC (link)
I think he just likes being mysterious and is making everyone think he's got a big, dark secret for the fun of it. That, or he's just embarassed.

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[info]count_velcro
2008-04-17 01:34 am UTC (link)
he had it written down on a slip of paper and lost it. so sad.
on another note, i'd like to hear what happened to the Foremans, his human family hinted at in the william hartnell years. anybody up for the task of a doctor who/that '70's show crossover fanfic?

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[info]74bmw
2008-04-17 02:06 am UTC (link)
I suppose his name isn't Mxyzptlk -- or Kltpzyxm, for that matter.

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[info]fireflyfailure
2008-04-17 04:32 am UTC (link)
Ford Prefect, maybe? :p

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[info]snorkackcatcher
2008-04-17 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Nah, Slartibartfast. :)

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[info]greggyhouzer
2008-04-17 05:03 am UTC (link)
me likey this idea. veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyy interesting, but i think it's more umph! like it's an equation that holds the universe/time together....but...

*runs off to ponder*

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[info]azmatazz
2008-04-17 07:37 pm UTC (link)
I like that theory. And if that's not his name, then my vote's on "Maurice."

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[info]falltotry
2008-04-18 12:08 am UTC (link)
a.k.a. space cowboy?
a.k.a. gangster of love?

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It's a very interesting idea.
[info]gillyp
2008-05-20 02:05 pm UTC (link)
Well, it is.

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