Tviokh ([info]tviokh) wrote in [info]deleterius,
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It HURTS!
Summary: "A Gothic girl falls into Middle earth and meets up with the hobbits on there way to Rivendell. She leaves before they makeit to rivendell. Only to meet up with the fellowship later on. Lego romance" AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!! *sob*

Story Or Series Title: The Dark Rider
Fandom: Lord of the Rings.
Culprit Author's Name: Gaya gwath

Full Name (plus titles if any): Christa Hoppus
Full Species(es): A three-way cross between Rebellius stupidificum gothica, Mulier badasstica pseudofeminista, and Mulier bitchia
Description: The figure was obviously female, judging by the full, yet slim figure that it possessed. This female wore short black shorts, with tall lace up, knee high black boots. As a top she wore a 'keep staring I might do a trick' T- shirt that showed off her belly ring. Her nails were painted black, as were her lips. Her pointed ears were periced around the tip. It had hurt like hell, but she thought it was worth it. When she was younger she though that her pointed ears were strange and horrible, but now she really didn't care. The just gave her more room to place earrings. She also adorned pitch-black mascara, but today she left out the drip effect. Why? She really didn't know, not that it mattered. Anyway, she also had very unusual hair. It was a midnight black color naturally, but she dyed the ends of it a blood red. Even though her appearance clearly stated 'Goth' it was her facial expression that put the icing on the cake. It was blank, even when admitting the most potent of threats. She was a rock, one that none could scale, she was tough never showing emotion, and for this she was proud.
*STABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTAB!!!!!*

Annoying Origin: Irritating poser goth high school moron.
Annoying Connections To Canon Characters: Read the summary and guess.
Annoying Special Abilities: "by the time she was 14 she was a black belt in karate, and a red belt in gentsu. She also enrolled in a private fencing class. She soon excelled in that too"...can we see where this is leading? Fencing != Sword Fighting. Evidently her nose bleeds when trouble is near. *slaps author for being so lame*
Other Annoying Traits: bitchy to everyone and anyone for no reason other than she seems to think it makes her seem aloof, weird, and 'more goth'.
Rage Inducing Traits: "I was diagnosed with bipolar disease. So now at least I have a reason for my actions" *slaps the author yet again.*

Please include a small sample of the worst of this story:

*cackle*


"Christa, I know your new here, but your going to have to try to pay attention." Said the middle age math teacher, Mr. Shottes. 'What is this guy. stupid. dose he really think that will work?'

"Mr. Shottes, if you really want my undivided attention why don't you try teaching something of interest?" As soon as those words left her mouth the whole class looked at me in astonishment.

"I have never been spoken to in that manner before, you might be from New York, but that gives you no reason to behave in this manner.I think I deserve an apology."

"Umm.dude, I toned it down.If we were in New York I would have cussed you out an given you the finger. So you should be thanking me." At the class broke out in applause

"THAT'S IT YOU CAN EITHER APOLOGISE OR YOU CAN LEAVE" Mr. Shottes screamed in a most feminine fashion, and she didn't hesitate to comment.

"You know that you sound like girl when you do that, right?" Christa stated in a perfectly calm voice and facial expression that she had kept through out the entire conversation. Meanwhile gathering her books together. "See ya later" She stated as she walked out the door, and heard the class erupted into cheers behind her.

As she walked down the hallway to her looker she was beaming. She was damn proud of herself. That teacher was a fruit. She walked to her looker and opened it, pulled out her backpack and walked out the door. Once out side she took a right, trying to recreate her way home 'or just around, I don't really want to go home'




"What are you?" she asked again falling into her monotone vocal pattern. The little creatures seemed to huddle together, in a sort of conference. During this 'conference' that the little people were having, she realized that the ferry was drifting down stream. So to busy herself she grabbed the pole, which laid in some sort of hook like rack, and started to direct them across the river.

"We are hobbits." Was the answer that she received. 'Great they sat, in what seemed to be deep thought, for what seemed like ten minuets and they came up with a three word answer.' She wanted to know more.

"And you were running from those Black Riders because it was fun, I suppose." She asked. She was getting the answers she needed or they weren't getting off the ferry. This time around they didn't take as long to come up with an answer.

"No,"

"Well, that's interesting. So why were you running from them?" the hobbits looked a little bit uncomfortable. "I don't know why you are hesitant to tell me of your dilemma, but remember I did save your ass back there." The hobbits looked pensive for a moment.

"Umm. We need to get to Bree." Said a little hobbit.

'We have to get to Bree, like that means anything to me. Who the hell is Bree?'

"Well, it looks as if your in need of assistance. Judging by the rate you people were running I'd say those riders aren't good news. I could escort you to Bree." Christa said.' Now if they will agree to that I will be able to get the answers without having to us force.

"Umm. we aren't sure."

"Look, I'm just trying to help. Your in big trouble alright. In case you didn't already know I will clarify it for you. YOU WILL NOT MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITHOUT HELP." The hobbits looked a little taken back and scared. 'hehehe.maybe I have scared them enough to pressure them into letting me come.

"YOU JUST WANT THE RING." A fat little hobbit yelled. 'A ring? What ring? They're afraid I'm going to steal a piece of jewelry?'

"SAM" was the answering course of yells from the other hobbit.

"Look, I'm not going to steal a piece of jewelry alright. I have enough of that as it is." She said holding up her hands to show them her many rings. "I just want my questions to be answered, and in return I will help you get to Bree. Do we have an accord?" After another long moment of silence, the hobbit that would be distinguished as there 'leader' spoke up.

"Alright, what do you want to know?" he asked slowly.

"What are your names? Why were you running from the dudes on the horses and where are we?" She said with I tinge of excitement in her voice.

"Well." said the hobbit. 'this going to take forever.' "My name is Frodo Bagi..Underhill."

"Ok. No, I don't want the stupid little lies." Once again a pregnant silence hung around the group.

"Well, my name is Frodo Baggins." Said the newly appointed Frodo. He pointed to a blond hobbit next to him "This is Sam. The two hobbits over there." Said pointing in the direction of two brown haired hobbit," are Merry and Pippin."

"My name is Christa Hoppus, now on to my other questions."

"Umm. black riders are after something that we are carrying. I'm sorry, but I can not tell you more and you are just outside of the shire." Said Frodo. 'Well, this will be fun,' she thought as she looked down at her shoes. With that she gave the ferry one more push and they hit the other side of the river.

"Ok, lets get going, but you guys are going to have to let the way." The hobbits looked up at her questionably." I'm new around here, I just came in from New York." That didn't seem to dull their curiosity at all, but that was too bad for them. "Do you happen to have a map?"




A high pitch screech once more filled the air, just as she made it to the front door of The Prancing Pony. 'What a stupid name' she thought. 'wait, I have more important things to worry about.like not dying.yup I have to sort out my proprieties' As she was thinking this she ran into the bar only to find it empty, she turned on her hair and ran over to the front desk, the one which she had overlooked while coming in the first time.

"Where are the halflings?" she hissed in a monotone voice, with a dangerous undertone. The barn tender looked scared, but refused to say anything. 'Ok, so I'll have to use different methods.'

"You will tell me where the hobbits are or I will rip your tongue out and use it to strangle you." She stated. The response she got was less then perfect.

"I was told to let none see Mr. Underhill." He stated in a slightly quivering voice. 'Underhill? I thought his name was Frodo Baggins'

"What? How do you know Frodo's real name?" The bar keeper asked. 'Shit I said that outloud'

"Yes, I know Frodos real name.now tell me where he is located." She said in a frustrated voice. The bar keeper looked unsure, but slowly he came 'round

"Up the stairs, third door on the left, they only left a moment ago." He said while eyeing you, as if to make sure of your intentions. She saw the look, but chose to ignore it. Instead she acknowledged his last words with a nod of the head.

She swiftly ran up the steps and ran into the room without knocking. Inside she was greeted with a sword to her neck. She could feel the slight prickling sensation, of metal on skin.

"Who are you?" the man behind the sword asked in a voice that could freeze a fast moving lake in August. For a moment she just stood frozen in her spot, 'wooo, people in Virginia are strange, they use swords. Wait I have a sword.' With that thought she reached down and removed the sword from its sheath, with a grace that came from years of practice, but that was not all, she also removed it with an inhuman speed, that would have surprised her if she wasn't completely focused on the man in front of her. In a flawless motion, she had removed the blade from her neck and her own pointed at the man in front of her.

She was positive that he could have whipped her ass in a fight, 'but luck for me I caught him off guard, and now to the fun part.'

"I think the correct question would be, who are you." She said, amusement sparkling deep within her eyes." And what are you doing harassing the little dudes. I swear there must be a conspiracy or something. You do you people just not want these dudes to make it to wherever there going? Or am I just special" He just started at you in surprise, then resifted his sword. 'O shit, I guess the shock phase is over now.'




~*~ Flash Back ~*~

It was one of those rare days were when everything went wrong. Well actually they weren't rare for me. I guess I just take things the wrong way. I mean one minuet I could give a shit, then the next I just want to kill the person who's talking. And this isn't the kind of thing where you were just annoyed, but I really had to exhibit strong self-control. I mean, would dream of killing these people all the ways it could be done, how I could get access to the equipment I needed. The vase was just sitting there. I guess it was a compulsion. I just wanted the pain. Just a distraction from the world around me and my crappy life. I didn't mean to press the glass that deep. It just happened. If it hadn't had hit a major vein I would still be considered different and not psycho.

I didn't realize I had hit a major vein, or maybe I did. I guess it really doesn't matter. I could have died that day. I think that death would have been better then what I had to go through after wards.

On top of being sent to being sent to a mental hospital, I was diagnosed with bipolar disease. So now at least I have a reason for my actions. I always thought that I was just going through the normal teenager up and downs, but in reality I had highs and lows too.

After the two weeks spent in the rehab center I was 'gifted' with the ability to go back home. Oh yes, that was a 'gift'. Before people used to be afraid of me, now they were afraid for me. Whenever they looked at me they think' psycho bitch.'

~*~ End Flash Back ~*~



Odd Note: She spends the better part of three chapters going on and on about a nosebleed her character has/had. *slaps author again for being so utterly uncreative*




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[info]etherealwolf
2003-08-28 02:14 pm UTC (link)
Well I hate English with passion, and I normally sleep through my English class. Thanx for the reviews.

WHO decided it was a good idea to let this girl know about FanFiction?

Please, no. The whole concept of this 'story' is just so wrong. SO WRONG! *wails*

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[info]tviokh
2003-08-28 02:16 pm UTC (link)
It might almost be worth it to direct this no talent brat author to this thread just to watch the effing fireworks...:D

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(no subject) - [info]etherealwolf, 2003-08-28 02:19 pm UTC
Curse me root and branch! :D - [info]tviokh, 2003-08-28 02:35 pm UTC
Re: Curse me root and branch! :D - [info]idemandjustice, 2003-08-28 06:03 pm UTC
Re: Curse me root and branch! :D - [info]tviokh, 2003-08-28 06:12 pm UTC
*sporksporkspork*
[info]gj_fate
2003-08-28 02:35 pm UTC (link)
Oh... oh God! It burns! It buuuurns!

6 chapters and already 36 reviews. Something tells me if it continues, it's going to get an obscene amount of reviews because, and I've said it before, humanity is scum.

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Re: *sporksporkspork*
[info]tviokh
2003-08-28 02:36 pm UTC (link)
The reviews, save a special few, were hideously painful to read.

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Re: *sporksporkspork* - [info]lots42, 2003-09-05 06:59 am UTC
ARGH!!!
[info]ghanihwi
2003-08-28 02:40 pm UTC (link)
As she walked down the hallway to her looker she was beaming. She was damn proud of herself. That teacher was a fruit.

*slaps author* You little BITCH!

Yeah, we need more anti-authority fuckwits in school nowadays. Little shitheads like this are the reason why my mother is starting to hate her job passionately. It's just so darn KOOL to be all punk/goth "screw YOU teacher!". Argh! It just....AHHHHH!!! You know- I didn't like some of my teachers in school- but dammit- I never spoke to them like they were idiots and I CERTAINLY never talked to them like THAT. Since when do adults not merit respect from 13 year-old kids?

And the nice homophobic throwback at the end was a nice touch as well. *slaps author again*

I want to shred her so badly I can taste the carnage...

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Re: ARGH!!!
[info]tviokh
2003-08-28 03:13 pm UTC (link)
Shred away.
I've not come across anything this irritating in a loooong time.

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Re: ARGH!!! - [info]etherealwolf, 2003-08-28 03:36 pm UTC
Re: ARGH!!! - [info]clannoire, 2003-08-28 04:40 pm UTC
The one thing keeping me from wanting to teach: - [info]algussadalfas, 2003-08-28 08:10 pm UTC
Re:Ha! Ha! - (Anonymous), 2004-05-22 05:31 am UTC

[info]middlerelief
2003-08-28 02:57 pm UTC (link)
On top of being sent to being sent to a mental hospital, I was diagnosed with bipolar disease. So now at least I have a reason for my actions. I always thought that I was just going through the normal teenager up and downs, but in reality I had highs and lows too.

*shakes*

someone take me by the hand (or the arm, or the waist, or even the hair if it's necessary) and slowly lead me away. i have never been this infuriated by a story in my entire life. i think i just might get violent.

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[info]middlerelief
2003-08-28 03:07 pm UTC (link)
yup I have to sort out my proprieties' As she was thinking this she ran into the bar only to find it empty, she turned on her hair and ran over to the front desk, the one which she had overlooked while coming in the first time.

okay, that chunk of grammatical merde just cheered me up immensely. look away, look away, nothing to see here anymore.

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(no subject) - [info]etherealwolf, 2003-08-28 03:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]middlerelief, 2003-08-28 03:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]21yo_curmudgeon, 2003-08-28 11:28 pm UTC
You're right. - [info]gehayi, 2003-08-30 11:31 am UTC
Eru, forgive me....
[info]tviokh
2003-08-28 02:57 pm UTC (link)
I left a review.
This fic rubbed me the wrong way so hard, I had to.

****************
Well, you may not like my review, as it's not going to be full of glowing praise like most of the others.

However, when one puts a piece of writing up for public viewing one should not expect 100% positive feedback. After all, you can't really learn and mature as a writer if all you get are a bunch of "OMFG UR SO COOL!!!" type reviews.

First, we'll touch on the mechanics:
You. Need. A. Beta. Reader.
This is not a suggestion, it's a necessity. Your fic is full of misspellings and terrible grammar.
Age is not an excuse for poor grammar or poor spelling.
Find a friend, family member, or even teacher to read through your work and give corrections or pointers.
If you can't do that, or don't feel comfortable doing that, at LEAST spell check your fic.
Most word processing programs come with a spell checking feature, and you can always use http://www.spellcheck.net/ so there really is no excuse aside from laziness to have more than a few misspellings.
Typos happen, and things slip by, I do realize this. However, you don't really want to leave mistakes if they can be fixed; it tends to make it look like you don't care enough about the fic to fix it. If you don't care, why should your readers?

Second Christa: No.
Okay, let me elaborate on that.
First, she comes off as one dimensional, bitchy for little to no reason, she does not fit into Middle Earth at all with her lousy attitude, making her into an elf (I'm assuming here, as she has pointed ears) is a trite, terribly overdone plot point that's rarely done well, and she's just not very likable or believable.
Using mental illness as an 'excuse' for her bad attitude and bitchy behavior won't win her any friends or sympathy either.
Mental illness may explain a behavior, but it does not excuse it. Bipolar disorder is not something to be taken lightly but it can be controlled with medication and counseling, and frankly Christa comes off as nothing more than a whiny teenaged bitch, not someone with bipolar disorder.
As for the 'goth' thing? As a nine year veteran of the Goth scene, please excuse me while I point and laugh at her.
It's people that look and act like your Christa character that make the rest of us in the scene bristle...even if those types of people do provide us with some sick amusement from time to time.

Plot: Overdone. Overused. Not redone very well. There's a lot of detail lacking from the story.
Have you read the books, or just seen the movies?
There's no good reason that the four hobbits would've allowed a strange human that Gandalf did NOT mention and that didn't make any mention of Gandalf tag along with them.
They were very frightened and suspicious of everyone after Gandalf sent Sam & Frodo off to Bree.
It got even worse when Gandalf didn't show up at Bree.
Aragorn is also not one to trust lightly, especially if it's someone Gandalf didn't mention to him.
So, knowing that, why did they trust your character? If there's a different reason, please enlighten your readers.
Remember, just because it makes sense in your head doesn't mean it works in the real world if you leave out details. We don't know what you're thinking, and if you don't describe it well (or at all) most of your readers...well...they aren't willing to totally suspend canon for the sake of a bitchy goth 'original' character to pop in.

Book: Did you read the books? Really? Why don't I believe that?
Honestly, the way the fic reads, it sounds as if you saw the movies, thought the characters were oh so cute due to the actors playing them, and figured you'd toss your proverbial self (or the self you wish you could be) into Middle Earth.
You are, of course, aware that they do not speak English in Middle Earth?
The common tongue is Westron, which is not very similar to English at all.
Perhaps your character has one of those nifty Universal Translators from Star Trek?
Hey, why not, the plot is already pretty unbelievable, why not add in something else totally non-canon?

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The tail end of the review...
[info]tviokh
2003-08-28 02:58 pm UTC (link)
I might believe you've read the books if you DON'T make Legolas a blond, as he was not in the books. Orlando Bloom as Legolas is a blond.
Legolas as the Legolas J.R.R. Tolkien wrote has dark hair.
Then again, I've just told you that, so you could always make good ol' Legolas have dark hair just to prove me wrong.

In short conclusion:

1) Beta Reader: Needed desperately.
2) Character: Flat, one dimensional, bitchy, unlikable. Needs a rewrite or to be shot by an Elf on the way to Rivendell.
3) Plot: If you're going to use a plot that's been so overused it looks like a lone napkin at a company BBQ, at least TRY to make it stand out. This, unfortunately, does not. It's like every other "outcast girl from earth falls into Middle Earth and joins the Fellowship" story on fanfiction.net.
4) Do not use mental illness as a plot point unless it's really relevant and well written. In this case, it is not. It's just used to excuse Christa's irritatingly bitchy behavior.
5) Read the books.

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Re: The tail end of the review... - [info]ghanihwi, 2003-08-28 07:57 pm UTC
Re: The tail end of the review... - (Anonymous), 2003-08-29 07:52 pm UTC
Re: The tail end of the review... - (Anonymous), 2004-01-26 12:48 pm UTC
Re: The tail end of the review... - [info]maxineofarc, 2004-06-08 06:26 am UTC
*rereads part of that summary*
[info]ladyiapetus
2003-08-28 03:01 pm UTC (link)
"Lego romance"?

Does this mean her Sue's gonna shack up with a bunch of plastic interlocking building blocks?

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Re: *rereads part of that summary*
[info]middlerelief
2003-08-28 03:08 pm UTC (link)
ooh. hawt.

or original, at least.

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Re: *rereads part of that summary* - [info]ladyiapetus, 2003-08-28 03:27 pm UTC
Re: *rereads part of that summary* - [info]saruki, 2003-08-29 06:30 am UTC
Re: *rereads part of that summary* - [info]ladyiapetus, 2003-08-29 02:41 pm UTC
I just noticed...
[info]tviokh
2003-08-28 03:12 pm UTC (link)
In some places, she switches pronouns!

Lookie here:

"Yes, I know Frodos real name.now tell me where he is located." She said in a frustrated voice. The bar keeper looked unsure, but slowly he came 'round

"Up the stairs, third door on the left, they only left a moment ago." He said while eyeing you, as if to make sure of your intentions. She saw the look, but chose to ignore it. Instead she acknowledged his last words with a nod of the head.


Why do I get the feeling this is nothing more than a poorly edited, poorly thought out RP chat transcript.

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[info]sapphirekat
2003-08-28 03:43 pm UTC (link)
As she walked down the hallway to her looker she was beaming. She was damn proud of herself. That teacher was a fruit. She walked to her looker and opened it, pulled out her backpack and walked out the door. Once out side she took a right, trying to recreate her way home 'or just around, I don't really want to go home'

Ow.

Ow-Ow-Ow.

This...is toxic. It's killing my brain. As soon as I read the summary, I thought, 'Good God! This is worse than Candie the spoiled brat "sk8ter" girl!'

Does anyone have an extra spork? I lost mine...

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[info]teruhiko
2003-08-28 03:46 pm UTC (link)
Arrgh! This just... it... jaw, meet floor.

I absolutely HATE badass angsty pseudo-punk/goth teenager sues. Especially ones who think they're so smart. Like, talking back to the teacher like WHOA! What a badass!

I cannot abide people who think they're so smart to talk back to teachers. Sure, I have teachers I don't like, but I'm reserved enough not to disrupt the rest of my class while they're trying to learn. Learning for your future is more important than making a presumably witty comment at someone who could care less about you.
But oh wait, I forgot - all Sues tend to care about is looking good, right? Especially badass pseudo-punk/goth Sues, it seems.

This was obviously written by someone who has never had the guts to talk back to someone, teacher or otherwise, and fantasizes about it through fanfiction. And really, if you simply must talk back to a teacher, you could at least make it somewhat witty. I mean, really - "You know that you sound like girl when you do that, right?" - WHOOOA. Original to the max. I'm sure that guy wept about that remark for several hours when he got home.

It pains me to see my dear hobbits having to put up with her! Does she really think her Sue's teen angst is worse than what Frodo goes through with the Ring? I mean really. And Frodo didn't whinge and complain all the time, which is what makes him such an endearing character. He's much too polite to complain unless it's absolutely necessary. Can you imagine if he did? "Oh Sam, my back hurts.", "Oh Sam, my elven cloak is all scuffed.", "Oh Sam, I do so hate this Ring - it just doesn't match my Autumnal wardrobe." - Come on.

Stand aside, severe mental deterioration! Hang on a moment, fate of the world! Move over, object of pure evil that threatens the lives of millions!
This Sue needs to put her mascara on, teardrop-style!

*groan* This fic is wrong on so many different levels. My brain hurts.

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[info]clannoire
2003-08-28 04:53 pm UTC (link)
*LOL* I think I love you. :D

And I wholeheartedly agree with the 'talking-back-to-a-teacher' comment. :( I mean, really. When the whole class cheered as wangsty!Sue left, I thought on how bizarrely unrealistic that was.
I've had students in my class walk out during lessons without the teacher's approval, and all they got were poisonous and puzzled stares.

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(no subject) - [info]teruhiko, 2003-08-28 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]clannoire, 2003-08-30 06:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teh_will, 2003-08-29 07:03 am UTC
same here... - (Anonymous), 2003-08-29 07:57 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-08-28 04:06 pm UTC (link)
Must resist flaming....

I have the urge to track this pathetic excuse for a life form and torture her beyond recognition. Deep breath, must repeat that jailtime is not worth it, jail time is not worth it. She messed with Aragorn, must die. There is fricking way she could get the jump on Aragorn. I'm starting to consider joining the PPC.

Where does she get off insulting the teachers? The dedicate part of the life to teach "people" like her and all they get is crap. I'd love to see how this would be graded in English class.

By the way, where in The Lord of the Rings does it say that Legolas is a brunette? Maybe I'm just missing it becuase I've searched all three books. My copy of The Two Towers (which was published before the movie) has Legolas as a blond.

'Sue grade: F Go back to class and listen to the teacher.

-Amber Oak

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[info]tviokh
2003-08-28 04:38 pm UTC (link)
Eh maybe I was thinking of one of the other Elves at the Council of Elrond. :\

The only book I've got on hand (at work) is The Silmarillion.

I know on the cover of one of the pre-movie Two Towers books, the cover has Legolas drawn as a blond.

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(no subject) - [info]idemandjustice, 2003-08-28 08:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-08-28 11:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-08-29 02:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]morielfeanorwen, 2003-08-29 08:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]idemandjustice, 2003-08-29 02:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]morielfeanorwen, 2003-08-30 05:49 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-26 12:54 pm UTC
*clobber*
[info]amand_r
2003-08-28 04:34 pm UTC (link)
bipolar DISEASE? DISEASE?

Please, bitch. Disease this shit.

::so mad she can't see straight::

I hope she does come over here. I'm ready. ::sharpens pointy stick::

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Re: *clobber*
[info]soules
2003-08-28 05:40 pm UTC (link)
The Mary Sue IS an elf right? So she can't have diseases then, or is that not a fact?

Are you done sharpening your stick yet?

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Who thought they'd change the beer or the coffee?! - [info]amand_r, 2003-08-28 06:25 pm UTC
Re: *clobber* - [info]ladyiapetus, 2003-08-28 06:21 pm UTC
Re: *clobber* - [info]amand_r, 2003-08-28 06:27 pm UTC
Re: *clobber* - [info]ladyiapetus, 2003-08-28 06:35 pm UTC

[info]soules
2003-08-28 05:39 pm UTC (link)
"by the time she was 14 she was a black belt in karate, and a red belt in gentsu. She also enrolled in a private fencing class. She soon excelled in that too"...can we see where this is leading? Fencing != Sword Fighting. Evidently her nose bleeds when trouble is near."

*arches eyebrow* I can't read anymore.

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[info]lots42
2003-09-05 07:02 am UTC (link)
Nose bleeds as an indicator of danger...hmm, I can just see the Sue fainting from blood loss when orcs attack

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[info]idemandjustice
2003-08-28 06:10 pm UTC (link)
Since everybody pretty much covered most of the important things I could comment on... I'd just like to add that I went through several years in which I colored my hair every color of the rainbow.

You can't dye black hair red. Not without bleaching it first. It just won't show up.

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[info]bethan_b_bad
2005-02-16 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Can you die black hair neon blue? Because I have long cherished a wish for black hair with blue streaks.

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Oh, the pain
[info]cotume27
2003-08-28 06:43 pm UTC (link)
Can we use her as bait for the Nazgul while the hobbits and Aragorn run off elsewhere? PLLLLEEEAASSEEE?

and it's "YOU'RE" not "your"! ARG Do people not know how to proofread?

and flamewars are always good fun!

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Here's the review I left her...
[info]gehayi
2003-08-28 08:41 pm UTC (link)
Gaya gwath:

The main problem with this story is your Original Female Character. I have no idea where the notion came from that rudeness, belligerence and mannerlessness were considered "cool." Let me tell you--it's not. You lost me as soon as Christa mouthed off to the teacher in class.

Why? Because the man was simply doing his job, and here's this rich spoiled brat (whose parents must have a considerable amount of money, if they have been paying for jujitsu, gentsu and fencing lessons for years) making fun of him. The teacher hadn't done anything wrong; he merely reminded her to pay attention. She attacked him, made fun of him and walked out of his class without even bothering to apologize for her odious behavior.

That the class supported her does not make her right. A million people can have a lousy idea, but it will STILL be a lousy idea.

As I said, you lost me right there. I felt no sympathy for this girl who so enjoyed making others miserable simply because she was a miserable little git herself.

She is not someone I care to identify with as a reader. I know she isn't, for I've seen a plethora of OFCs just like her: black hair, black clothes, piercings, bad attitude and NO manners. They remain the same all through the story, occasionally spouting Avril Lavigne songs, throwing canon characters completely OOC and generally rescuing the Fellowship from problems canonical and uncanonical.

She is, in fact, a Mary Sue--the term, originating in 1970s Star Trek fandom, for an authorial avatar who does everything as well as, if not better than, the canon characters.

Here are some Suvian characteristics that your girl has:

"Rules that apply to others are bent or broken for her. " Check.

"She is often maverick or unconventional. " Check.

"She is able to accomplish something single-handedly that the entire Fellowship has been unable to accomplish." Check. Definitely check. She outfought ARAGORN! With a SWORD! The man is eighty-seven--he's been fighting foes with a sword longer than she's been alive!

"Excels at everything she turns her hand to." Check.

"Is unusually physically attractive." Uncertain. She's described extensively, though.

"She is immediately accepted by canon characters without question." Check.

"She has supernatural skills." I think she sprained the wrist of a Ringwraith, so I'll say yes.

"She is unusually accomplished for her age." She must be--all those belts in martial arts and good enough at fencing to beat Aragorn.

"She is universally liked and respected." Yes, she is--despite an attitude that would make most people slap her or avoid her in real life.

Mary Sues are so common that I'd say that creating Sues is a normal phase of writing. But they also tend to be very bad as characters. They don't change over the course of a story, as most characters do. They don't develop or grow as people. Since many plots and plot twists grow out of the personality of a character, Mary Sues can be a very bad habit for a writer to get into.

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Second part of the review...
[info]gehayi
2003-08-28 08:42 pm UTC (link)
But your Mary Sue, Christa, is not the only problem you have.

You need a beta-reader, as well as Spell-Check. Spell-Check is all very well, but it doesn't check for contextual errors such as, "As she turned the corner to her NEST class, she noticed the teachers were also staring at her."

You also have a real problem with homonyms, which Spell-Check wouldn't notice in a million years. This may help: THERE is a relative pronoun indicating place. THEIR is the possessive of they. THEY'RE means THEY ARE. Likewise--YOUR indicates something possessed by YOU. YOU'RE means YOU ARE. DOSE is a unit of medicine; DOES is the third person singular of the verb "to do." And so on.

Also, capital letters at the beginnings of sentences, please.

You really need to work on some of the details that occur in Middle-Earth. For instance: Why would the hobbits blabber out about the Ring, never mind about who they are, to Christa? They met her when they were being chased by Ringwraiths; I would think that would make them a little suspicious about the sudden appearance of this seemingly sympathetic person who claims to want to help them. This is a world of magic and illusion. How do they know that she is what she seems to be?

Why would Butterbur (who runs the Prancing Pony) be intimidated by Christa?

How is it that she can understand everyone? The hobbits and the men of Bree don't speak English; English is not a language of Middle-Earth. They speak Westron, which is quite different from anything Christa has heard before.

Here's my advice, though I doubt that you'll take it.

Get some of the other Tolkien books--"Unfinished Tales," "The History of Middle-Earth," "The Book of Lost Tales," etc., and read about elves and their laws and traditions about marriage. There are a lot of potential complications to a relationship with an elf of Middle-Earth. That should tell you if you want to make this a Legomance or not.

Next, rewrite the story--what there is of it, anyway. Eliminate the spelling, grammar and word usage errors. Rewrite Christa so that she at least SHARES the spotlight with the canon characters, instead of the entire focus being on her, and on what she's doing, and on what the canon characters think of her. The canon characters are the ones most readers care about; they are the ones we fell in love with, not your OFC.

Listen in English class. You need to listen, judging from this story.

Remember that you are not your character. My dislike of your character does not imply dislike of you. I don't even know you.

Do remember that I am neither attacking nor flaming you. I'm trying to help by telling you what is wrong and how to fix it.

Good luck.

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Re: Second part of the review... - [info]amand_r, 2003-08-28 10:25 pm UTC
So it begins...
[info]tviokh
2003-08-28 11:07 pm UTC (link)
A review left by one of the author's cronies:

Especially fun parts bolded, my comments in italics.

I love this! It's so different! I hope you keep writing! If you want a beta I'll try! I'm nowhere near perfect, but I think I do pretty well. Your story is going on my faves!

Gnanima Atreides: You need to shut your FUCKING mouth! Goths do anything they want when they want! I for one am, and I ENJOY shocking people w/my appearence. OWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW! *beats the poser goths bloody* As far as teachers go they CHOOSE TO TEACH! KNOWING FULL WELL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN! They should teach college or go someplace where the will GET RESPECT FROM THERE STUDENTS! Was that logic? Putting a torture device in the classromm does wonders! My World History teacher did so and everyone passed with nothing lower than a C.

Her scene is VERY REALISTIC! My school(BUENA) does this FREQUENTLY! The only ones who go to the office are the fucking preps who suck the teachers ass! Not putting effort? She obviously took SOME EFFORT and when you write for fun you can do whatever the hell you want.

To Necroangle: NEVER EVER ACCUSE SOMEONE OF NOT READING THE BOOKS! You keep that to yourself. It's rude and totally disrespectful! Many of my friend's have read the books, Silmarillion included and still have a hard time with fics. *snerk* First of all, my goddamned name is necroangel. Small 'n' ends in 'el'. Get it friggin' right. Second...BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

As for Bipolar medication and counselling do not work for everyone! The kid that I babysit is VERY SENSITIVE to medication and he gets worse if he takes it.

Language: How many authors at fanfic use Westron most of the time? That's what I thought! VERY FEW! And as far as Legolas goes MANY PREFER HIM AS A BLONDE! IT ALSO HELPS THOSE WHO ONLY WATCHED THE MOVIES! Don't forget that even in the cartoon he was displayed as a blonde! Yeah, and we know how GREAT Bashki's movie was...

I do agree that the plot is overused, but hey it's life. Even some of the overused plots can become excellent stories! EX. AJ Matthews Little Stranger


What a surprise that the reviewer writes Mary Sues and songfics...

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Re: So it begins...
[info]ghanihwi
2003-08-29 02:37 am UTC (link)
Oh don't feel so unloved. She managed to misspell my name as well. *laughs and points at fuckwit* Cut-n-paste is SO difficult for some people to master.

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Re: So it begins... - [info]teruhiko, 2003-08-29 12:38 pm UTC
What exactly DOES 'Goth' mean? - [info]gehayi, 2003-08-29 01:11 pm UTC
Re: What exactly DOES 'Goth' mean? - [info]teruhiko, 2003-08-29 01:52 pm UTC
Re: What exactly DOES 'Goth' mean? - [info]idemandjustice, 2003-08-29 02:49 pm UTC
Re: What exactly DOES 'Goth' mean? - [info]tviokh, 2003-08-29 04:19 pm UTC
Re: What exactly DOES 'Goth' mean? - [info]gehayi, 2003-08-29 05:40 pm UTC
Re: So it begins... - [info]idemandjustice, 2003-08-29 02:40 pm UTC
Re: So it begins... - (Anonymous), 2004-01-26 01:07 pm UTC
Re: So it begins... - [info]gj_fate, 2003-08-29 12:44 pm UTC

[info]gehayi
2003-08-28 11:21 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm. I think she deleted my review. It shows up if you put a slash at the end of this URL:

http://www.fanfiction.net/reviews.php?storyid=1482922

Otherwise, you can't see it.

::sigh::

I feel like John the Baptist--a voice crying in the wilderness.

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[info]tviokh
2003-08-28 11:33 pm UTC (link)
ff.net can take up to 24 hours to update properly.

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(no subject) - [info]followingmyfish, 2003-08-29 08:49 pm UTC
Ergh...
[info]tviokh
2003-08-29 01:10 am UTC (link)
File this one under Authors Who Just Don't Get It.

http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=1482922&chapter=7

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Re: Ergh...
[info]sapphirekat
2003-08-29 01:26 am UTC (link)
I love that icon. So fitting right now. :D

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She's not going to like what I said. - [info]gehayi, 2003-08-29 01:04 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-08-29 02:51 am UTC (link)
I meant if anyone had a direct reference in the books. I knew most elves were brunettes though.

-Oak

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[info]winterfox
2003-08-29 12:33 pm UTC (link)
Actually, no. It depends on the sub-race. Galadriel and Celeborn certainly aren't brunettes, and neither is king Thranduil.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-08-29 04:17 pm UTC

[info]miyuki_mina
2003-08-29 03:50 pm UTC (link)
My MOTHER is a teacher. And she works her ass off in her job. AND she always complains about how kids are unrespectful to her all the time.

And I will not bitchslap the stupid author... I will not bitchslap the stupid author... I will not bitchslap the stupid author...

Damn! I want to so badly, in the name of my mom and all the teachers in the world.

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[info]idemandjustice
2003-08-29 04:00 pm UTC (link)
My husband is a teacher as well. He loves it, and I can't even fathom why, with people like this brat in the world.

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Bitchslap her--in the name of the teachers! - [info]gehayi, 2003-08-29 05:42 pm UTC
Oooh, mini-Balrogs!
[info]gehayi
2003-08-29 05:53 pm UTC (link)
I spotted two--Arogon and Arogorn. They must be twins.

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She's re-writing it.
[info]nymeria
2003-08-29 10:37 pm UTC (link)
"Due to the direction the reviews are moving in. I have decided to rewrite the story. To all the people who enjoy my story I'm sorry for the inconvenience. Oh, by the way, she never sprained a ringwriaths wrist. I really don't know where that idea came from. Anyway there is something under the wraiths cloak, if there wasn't then how Eowyn would kill the king wriath. bye. "

This is all of chapter 8 of her...story.

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Re: She's re-writing it.
[info]tviokh
2003-08-30 03:16 am UTC (link)
king wriath

Oh yeah, she's read the books. *eye roll*

Remember the 'prophecy', no MAN could kill the Witch King.
See the loophole? Eowyn = Woman.
Duh, not that hard...*facepalm*

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Re: She's re-writing it. - (Anonymous), 2003-12-04 12:07 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-09-04 01:10 am UTC (link)
One of the reviews (mind you it was praise) said that since she was being a little bratty that maybe Legolas should spank her later on...We need to inform Legolas of this idea!

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[info]crazytildeath06
2005-01-05 04:07 am UTC (link)
AUUUUUUUUGH POSER POSER BURN BURN BURN! And legolas should show that spoiled brat some pain.

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[info]cinnamonspider_
2004-06-26 12:24 am UTC (link)
She was damn proud of herself. That teacher was a fruit.

Right. Homophobic Mary Sues? Brilliant...I wonder how she'll react when she comes to Middle Earth and faces all those Elves with long, braided hair. And robes. And skintight pants.

But that doesn't matter, cos lyk..Legs is soOoOoOooOo hawt!!1!!!

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