Tabari ([info]tabari) wrote in [info]debunkingwhite,
@ 2008-04-21 23:47:00
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Business as Usual
Every so often in liberal or otherwise lefty blogs, newspapers, societies, clubs, organizations, charities, etc., there will be a blow-up about race. Something racist will be done and said, someone will object, battle lines will be drawn, and at the end of days of anger, recrimination, and denial, a consensus or peace of some kind will come about more by exhaustion than anything else. Inevitably someone will call for reconciliation, and "moving on" from the difficult process or examining privilege, racism, and bigotry to more positive action.

A month later, it's business as usual.

Cue Jill at Feministe blogging to promote Amanda Marcotte's book.

Holly, another writer - and a WoC, unlike the white Jill - wrote earlier about Marcotte's appropriation-cum-plagiarism of the works of women of color on racism, feminism, and immigration. Most of you probably are very familiar with this drama, but for those who aren't, twenty or so entries down you should be able to read all about it. In the long, bitter threads over at Feministe, and elsewhere over the internet, war was done, and at the end, I naively assumed that people had learned something, and that women and feminists and liberals and decent people would stop promoting Marcotte, understanding that the only way to get through to people that racism reaps no rewards is not to reward them.

But no.

Business as usual. Business as usual. All is forgiven - or rather forgotten - and now it's time to go promote fellow sister and feminist Amanda Marcotte, who is doing "good work" by rehashing feminism 101 and basic Democratic partisanship for the already-convinced.



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[info]likeawoman
2008-04-23 04:18 am UTC (link)
I totally had these thoughts this afternoon, when I scrolled past the post on my friends page. and to roll over for such a mediocre cause. like you said, Marcotte isn't breaking any ground. so frustrating.

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[info]tabari
2008-04-23 04:26 am UTC (link)
I'm young enough that I'm only just starting to notice the pattern of "business as usual", so it came as something of a shock to me to see this, and it just makes me sick. How many weeks has it been? Two? And already Marcotte is forgiven?

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[info]likeawoman
2008-04-23 04:34 am UTC (link)
at 26, I'm still breaking in. I'm less likely to rail about it, but it's probably a little more painful for the dullness. and the whole controversy obsessed media culture of the moment doesn't help. it's Imus and then people lose interest, so you bring in Kramer, etc etc. and every single incident is offensive and uncalled for and should be addressed, but the whole thing is so "big controversy flare up followed by a near complete loss of interest" that follow through is hardly part of the equation in too many of these discussions. and we can certainly see how white privilege and white control of the discourse and mainstream popular media around these events, whether on the micro level of the blogosphere or the macro level of an international incident, sets up a system where people can have their explosive moment of righteous anger (which they should be entitled to when someone is publicly offensive and/or hypocritical) and use all of that sound and fury as a cover to duck out the back door without saying what will actually be done to create real repurcussions. and it certainly doesn't help that Amanda, like so many before her, was so happy to squeal about how everyone was trying to ruin her career and bully and defame her, which generates sympathy in that classic white woman way (and this one had the special twist of her using the race issue and her white woman victimhood as cover to obsfucate the other, and more serious for her as a professional writer, issue: her plagiarism and her abuse of her influence to obscure and dismiss that matter). it's beyond fucked up. I can only hope that things will evolve away from this kind of crap and toward open ended, honest, informed, reality based discussions, but I'm not holding me breath to wake up to it tomorrow. meantime, more often than I expect, I'm surprised by this shit. I guess we should be happy we can retain some level of optimism :)

Edited at 2008-04-23 04:48 am UTC

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Yup
[info]constintina
2008-04-23 05:21 am UTC (link)
I just wrote a post kind of about this (but before I saw the Marcotte-promo post.)Maybe I should un-friends-lock it...

Did you see that post Jill did a couple days ago about how she "never realized" that it might be fucked up to expect WoC to have "The Answers" all the time? that post blew my fucking mind. On the one hand, glad you realized this and obviously a lot of your readership doesn't so...that's...good...kinda... On the other hand WHAT THE FUCKITY-FUCK?

Maybe if she was 12 but...sheeesh.

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[info]sadie_sabot
2008-04-23 05:40 am UTC (link)
Every so often in liberal or otherwise lefty blogs, newspapers, societies, clubs, organizations, charities, etc., there will be a blow-up about race. Something racist will be done and said, someone will object, battle lines will be drawn, and at the end of days of anger, recrimination, and denial, a consensus or peace of some kind will come about more by exhaustion than anything else. Inevitably someone will call for reconciliation, and "moving on" from the difficult process or examining privilege, racism, and bigotry to more positive action.

A month later, it's business as usual.


yeah. The only step you missed...and it's a big one...is how somewhere between the "someone objects" (and that someone is often a person of color) and the call for moving on, is the part where a large number of people of color leave the community/scene or what ever the stage for this version of this drama is.

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[info]mal3ficent
2008-04-23 08:54 am UTC (link)
The only step you missed...and it's a big one...is how somewhere between the "someone objects" (and that someone is often a person of color) and the call for moving on, is the part where a large number of people of color leave the community/scene or what ever the stage for this version of this drama is.

oh yes I'm hearing that one. Once you realise that some white activists aren't going to change their attitude nor acknowledge what they're doing, and that their 'struggle' is only really to put themselves in a better position over others, you just want to pack up and move on from there.
And only stick to active movements organised by people of colour.
:)

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[info]sadie_sabot
2008-04-23 02:34 pm UTC (link)
and then the same people who get all viscious and defensive when shit's called out will be all, "why don't people of color care about this issue?"

Edited at 2008-04-23 02:35 pm UTC

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[info]seaya
2008-04-24 02:09 am UTC (link)
Don't you see? They aren't getting enough submissions! ;)

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[info]teacupdiaries
2008-04-23 11:16 am UTC (link)
The problem is that Amanda Marcotte (and people like her) is far too self-centred to even think about offering an apology, and she's surrounded by white people who refuse to understand that feminism will not work if it's built upon the backs and oppression of WOC.

Moving on past all the "unpleasantness" was bound to happen since self-examination and recognition of privilege makes women like Marcone and her cronies extremely uncomfortable and indignant. As you say: it's difficult, so lets all just forget about it.

I suspect the problem is compounded by the fact that movements often push a handful of people to the front as 'leaders', or at least the public face of the cause. When such people are challenged, a knee-jerk response usually ensues on a much higher level than if someone "less important" had been challenged. With the Marcotte issue, we're seeing very clearly a/ how many so-called progressive feminists really feel about the place of WOC within the movement, and b/ just how important some people believe themselves to be, and how they can use that position of power/privilege to protect themselves.

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[info]the_automatik
2008-04-23 12:33 pm UTC (link)
The lack of critical discourse on Feministe when it comes to Hillary Clinton is galling, to put it mildly. They never addressed the Ferraro flap NOR any of Clinton's prior or subsequent racist commentary about Obama. Why? Because she's white? Because she's a Democrat? Because she is pro-choice? Do any of these things make her racism OKAY?

You don't get to choose only those actions and words of women that support your cause. Neither women nor feminists are exempt from being racist and should be called out on it when they act and speak in such a manner.

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[info]likeawoman
2008-04-23 06:55 pm UTC (link)
I've run out of mainstream (read: predominantly white) feminist blogs that offer even remotely satisfactory discourse on this election season. shit, at this point I just scroll on by shakesville, cause I know it's just gonna be some ridiculous fluff on how awesome Clinton is or some "proof" that Obama is being unfair to her. critical discourse in the white feminist blogosphere is MIA.

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[info]lt_jim_dangle
2008-04-23 02:05 pm UTC (link)
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/22/today-amanda-marcotte-at-kgb-bar-in-manhattan/#comment-166609


Ok and on top of all this, the book itself uses racist imagery.

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[info]tabari
2008-04-23 02:26 pm UTC (link)
I remember objecting to the cover and being told I should be glad that the gorilla cover is no longer in place. Um, I guess.

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[info]likeawoman
2008-04-23 06:56 pm UTC (link)
but it's less racist than the cover they originally chose, so you should just count your blessings that they care at all

/snark

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[info]lt_jim_dangle
2008-04-25 02:06 am UTC (link)
http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/

Pics!

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[info]lauredhel
2008-04-25 04:27 am UTC (link)
Holy shit. I feel ill.

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[info]michaelsullivan
2008-04-23 03:11 pm UTC (link)
It was the closing line of the update that really blew my mind.

Here's the comment I just left at Feministe:

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The controversy about Amanda’s article was about something much bigger than Amanda; I ask that we keep the conversation on that level, in an attempt to make it productive.

Wow.

What was that odd mantra I dimly recall from that women's studies class I took back in the 80s? something about the personal, the political... what was it?

Oh yeah, right, "keep your petty personal crap out of politics." That's what it was.
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LOL!
[info]busted_english
2008-04-23 08:10 pm UTC (link)
I have nothing to add, but this comment was pretty fucking hilarious.

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