Running around New York. ([info]futurebird) wrote in [info]debunkingwhite,
@ 2007-04-28 16:55:00
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Now we have gated communities in jail too.
“Our sales pitch at the time was, ‘Bad things happen to good people,’ ” said Janet Givens, a spokeswoman for the Pasadena Police Department.

For roughly $75 to $127 a day, these convicts — who are known in the self-pay parlance as “clients” — get a small cell behind a regular door, distance of some amplitude from violent offenders and, in some cases, the right to bring an iPod or computer on which to compose a novel, or perhaps a song.

The clients usually share a cell, but otherwise mix little with the ordinary nonpaying inmates, who tend to be people arrested and awaiting arraignment, or federal prisoners on trial or awaiting deportation and simply passing through.

“The benefits are that you are isolated and you don’t have to expose yourself to the traditional county system,” said Christine Parker, a spokeswoman for CSI, a national provider of jails that runs three in Orange County with pay-to-stay programs. “You can avoid gang issues. You are restricted in terms of the number of people you are encountering and they are a similar persuasion such as you.”

For $82 a Day, Booking a Cell in a 5-Star Jail The New York Times.


Get this: if you have the money you can pay to stay in a safer and cleaner cell where you have more privileges than other inmates. I'm so shocked and angry to find out that this could go on in a country that claims to treat people equally.

Great. Now we have gated communities in jail too.

just had to add this, it's too absurd for words:
Still, no doubt about it, the self-pay jails are not to be confused with Canyon Ranch...Lockdown can occur for hours at a time, and just feet away other prisoners sit with their faces pressed against cell windows, looking menacing.
OMG! Angry poor people are LOOKING AT ME! Oh nos!



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[info]cybergothdiva
2007-04-28 09:02 pm UTC (link)
WTF?
sorry. i don't feel particularly articulate, just angry, shocked and not really shocked at the same time.

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[info]alasbabylon
2007-04-28 09:27 pm UTC (link)
ditto

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[info]belindashort
2007-05-08 08:12 pm UTC (link)
just about sums it up for me too

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[info]jjodelle
2007-04-28 09:09 pm UTC (link)
Jails are big business.

You posted this right on time...I have a writing assignment on California jails. I think I'm going to use this article along with "The Prison-Industrial Complex" by Eric Schlosser.

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[info]cybergothdiva
2007-04-28 09:31 pm UTC (link)
i was just wondering if sodexho-marriot is involved.
i wonder if the same prisons have poor inmates doing booking.

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[info]jonathankorman
2007-04-28 09:33 pm UTC (link)
This is actually a reversion to the way prisons worked in the 19th century.

Do you happen to know if it was Schlosser who first said that prisons are to state politics what the military is to national politics? I've been quoting whoever it was for some time now and I'd like to attribute it correctly.

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(no subject) - [info]futurebird, 2007-04-28 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jjodelle, 2007-04-29 02:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]michaelsullivan, 2007-04-29 01:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jonathankorman, 2007-04-29 03:35 pm UTC

[info]tubesy
2007-04-28 09:42 pm UTC (link)
This is kind one of the scariest things I've heard in some time.

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[info]likeawoman
2007-04-28 09:47 pm UTC (link)
"a similar persuasion..." how completely appalling. it's funny how this makes me think of a recent fight in Michigan to guarantee prisoners cells that don't reach temperatures over 90 (I think 90, something near there if I'm wrong) degrees in the summer time because prisoners in the Jackson prison system here were literally dying from exposure to 100+ degree days in their stuffy and sweltering cells. I wonder if you can buy AC too. I just love how these things are so often presented by those who mastermind them with little to no consideration for the classist and racist implications. I think the gated community comparison is dead on. it's appalling to think of the potentially widened racial divide that this could create between non-violent offenders of color, particularly non-violent drug offenders who frankly probably shouldn't be in the system, and white non-violent offenders who are serving time for "white collar crime" and "good kids" who've been busted for drug or DUI charges that will go away. as if those f*ckers didn't get the country club version of incarceration as it is. equality in the eyes of the law, this ain't.

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[info]futurebird
2007-04-28 10:33 pm UTC (link)
One would think that the ability to use your wealth to make your life easier wouldn't extend in to prison. Were the crimes committed by the "clients" any less "bad" than those committed by other inmates without the means to pay? In truth they were probably worse crimes, since it's much harder to get arrested and convicted of doing anything if you have money. So it's a safe bet most of the "clients" broke the law and did something pretty wrong? Why should they get a softened punsihment?

It's just embarrassing that this is happening in such a matter-of-fact kind of a way--

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(no subject) - [info]likeawoman, 2007-04-28 10:39 pm UTC

[info]pope_guilty
2007-04-28 09:49 pm UTC (link)
Man, I thought that The Onion was kidding.

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[info]substance1977
2007-04-28 11:46 pm UTC (link)
The Onion never kids. At some point it all comes true. :P

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[info]luludi
2007-04-28 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Generally, the law-makers - legislators - in America come from which social classes and backgrounds?

I'm convinced that the wealthy make the laws to primarily serve the wealthy. Or am I being cynical?

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[info]likeawoman
2007-04-28 10:27 pm UTC (link)
not cynical so much as realistic

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(no subject) - [info]redstar826, 2007-04-28 10:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]likeawoman, 2007-04-28 10:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]redstar826, 2007-04-28 11:02 pm UTC

[info]lovemarigold
2007-04-29 03:24 pm UTC (link)
police- the armed guards of capitalism? never!

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[info]jonathankorman
2007-04-29 03:34 pm UTC (link)
I don't know that I'd use the word "cynical." That society is organized for the benefit of the wealthy is a tautology; that's what it means to be wealthy.

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[info]vagal_nerve
2007-04-28 10:20 pm UTC (link)
WHAT!? *head explodes*

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[info]redstar826
2007-04-28 10:51 pm UTC (link)
“Our sales pitch at the time was, ‘Bad things happen to good people,’ ” said Janet Givens, a spokeswoman for the Pasadena Police Department


because clearly being a good person=having money

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[info]futurebird
2007-04-28 10:53 pm UTC (link)
well duh!

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[info]likeawoman
2007-04-28 10:55 pm UTC (link)
and we wouldn't want those "good people" being forced to mix with those not of their "persuasion."

they can't even come out and say what they're doing without simultaneously acknowledging what an appalling farce it is; so instead, we get code words.

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(no subject) - [info]redstar826, 2007-04-28 11:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]futurebird, 2007-04-28 11:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]redstar826, 2007-04-28 11:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gendertrouble, 2007-04-29 12:46 am UTC
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[info]ms_xeno
2007-04-29 12:53 am UTC (link)
I wonder if the FOX crowd will get up in arms about this. They're the ones always whinging about how prisoners get too many "luxuries," like food, tv, exercise, and running water as it is-- for FREE.

Oh, wait. In FOX-ville, there is no such thing as White collar crime or White criminals. Unless they're Muslim, perhaps. What was I thinking...

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So, that settles it...
[info]daysofthegun
2007-04-29 01:56 am UTC (link)

... Canada it is!

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Re: So, that settles it...
[info]hammerinmyhand
2007-04-29 03:06 am UTC (link)
Canada is just as fucked up as the US in these matters.

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Re: So, that settles it... - [info]imfallingup, 2007-04-29 03:25 am UTC
Re: So, that settles it... - [info]silverspar, 2007-04-29 04:11 am UTC
Re: So, that settles it... - [info]michaelsullivan, 2007-04-29 01:13 pm UTC
Re: So, that settles it... - [info]hooper_x, 2007-04-29 02:55 pm UTC
Re: So, that settles it... - [info]daysofthegun, 2007-04-29 03:35 pm UTC
Re: So, that settles it... - [info]hooper_x, 2007-04-29 03:45 pm UTC

[info]imfallingup
2007-04-29 03:27 am UTC (link)
ugh. i lived near pasadena for a while. i kept saying it was a scary place, and no one believed me...

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[info]shorxrore
2007-04-29 05:04 am UTC (link)
wwwwwwwooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww

shit yo, jail was the only way i could think of to have rich people get what they deserve. now we just gotta straight up kill them...that's much harder. ugh.

p.s. seriously wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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[info]ms_xeno
2007-04-29 05:23 am UTC (link)
I don't like killing. Can't I just bake cookies for your death squad to refresh themselves with once the day's work is done ?

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(no subject) - [info]shorxrore, 2007-04-29 05:26 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ms_xeno, 2007-05-02 09:35 pm UTC

[info]jezabel_pheonix
2007-04-29 02:12 pm UTC (link)
That's so freaking crazy! People are in jail for punishment, not to have a good time! All prisoners should be treated the same. They're turning jails into gated communities and fraternity houses! Once again, our country finds a way to separate the privileged from those who aren't. What a freaking crock.

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[info]hooper_x
2007-04-29 02:58 pm UTC (link)
Mm, priveligilicious!

Seriously, though, the only way I could get behind this is if there was some kind of trade involved, like "do a week in the regular lockup or do a week and a half in fancy lockup." SOME kind of way to even things out a bit. Yeah, you get your laptop and all, but you also have to stay longer. (even then, I'd probably be willing to pay the extra, because dude, jail with a laptop? I'd finally beat three or four games I've been putting off for a while. look out, baldur's gate, here i come!)

-hx, making people stay longer if they're in fancy jail means they have to pay the jail more, too, so everybody wins!

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[info]futurebird
2007-04-29 03:30 pm UTC (link)
Not a bad idea, but it still piss me off that the poor non-violent offenders don't have ANY option.

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(no subject) - [info]hooper_x, 2007-04-29 03:48 pm UTC

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