Ali ([info]serria) wrote in [info]death_note,
@ 2007-06-06 15:04:00
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Is Misa the bigger villain?
I've been thinking about the character Misa Amane a lot recently. When we first met her in Death Note, and for awhile after that I admit I thought she was a cute girl. Flawed, yes, and irritatingly obsessed with Light, but she was certainly charming. However, at a certain point in the manga I just felt like she crossed the line of what makes a person the least bit decent, and I rather despised her. When I overcame personal emotions about it (still in the process, at least), I really tried to analyze her character. And I've come up with a resolution:

Misa Amane is a bigger villain than Light, and more ethically corrupt than Light, L, Near and Mello.


I should say now that I do not think that Misa is weak-willed or spineless. I've seen her portrayed that way all the time in fanfiction but I think she's quite the contrary. She's extremely assertive (almost frighteningly so!) and I would even go so far as to say that she's selfish. She's extremely "Misa wants, Misa gets" in how she acts - and she DOES end up getting a lot of what she wants. She pressures Light into a relationship by threatening to kill his other girls and of course uses Rem's love for her as a pawn too.

The most important thing to note, and we've all noticed it - Misa freely gives up her individuality for Light's sake. Everything she does, she does for him. It is true that Misa believes that she owes something to Kira for killing her parents' murderer. But she takes this above and beyond. Once she sees him she is "in love", and therefore I'm inclined to assume that she's acting out of lust as much as admiration. She idealizes him and throws away everything else. Therefore she's putting her own dignity and humanity aside in favor of a boy. She even said that she was okay with being a pawn if she was doing it for him.

And on that note, like the 4 Geniuses, she is manipulative to boot. She's not as smart as they are, but she's not completely stupid either. First off, she clearly takes advantage of Rem. Rem is as innocent as a Shinigami could be in unconditionally loving the girl. But she is constantly spurned by Misa. At the very start of Misa's introduction, Rem tells Misa how a Shinigami dies, after making her promise not to tell. In Misa's first meeting with Light, she reveals the secret. Misa uses Rem even when her memory is wiped, to kill a man (an innocent man, if I remember right) in order to convince Higuchi that she's Kira. Rem ends up dying for Misa, and killing Watari and L along with herself. Granted there is a time gap between this scene and then part 2, but it bothered me always that we never saw her mourning Rem at all.

She completely disregards her friends. At the very start, on her first meeting with Light, she offers to kill her friend who helped her make the Kira tapes. And I think she would have done it without a second glance. Later on, it royally pissed me off when she was perfectly alright with killing L, too. She didn't even think about what it meant, it was simply that she wanted to remember his name for Light.

I would also like to mention that it's possible that Misa is responsible for more deaths than Light. I'm not certain about this, but I believe that Misa was the one with ownership of a Death Note and killing people from the time L died to Light's death. It's true that she's Light's pawn, but she was the one who did it. She also came up with the plan to kill all of those innocent people on TV to prove her power, and Light even said this was dragging down Kira's image.

But the most important thing that separates her from Light (and L) and brands her as awful for me is her intentions are NOT noble. Light and L both act believing that they are Justice and that the things they do, even if they are bad, will better the world in the end. Misa does not act for this reason. That means that everybody that she's killed and all the things that she's done are simply for her own selfish purposes (getting rewards: attention and approval from Light). In this sense she is much more comparable to Higuchi than anyone else.

I think Misa is a symbol for the mindless followers of Kira (or any other cause, really). I think she's enough like the Kira's cult people that attacked Near's building (claiming to follow Kira's beliefs) but abandon it when money falls from the sky. She idealizing a very human and not perfect Light Yagami, and even though she knows this it's possible she chooses not to see his flaws, or just doesn't care. And if there is a true villain in Death Note, it's this kind of ignorance in my opinion. She chooses to latch onto an idea with a closed mind and has no desire to expand or learn, and believes this idea passionately enough to throw her morals and ethics out the window (assuming she had any).

Alright, there we have it. Anyone have any thoughts one way or another?




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[info]puncture
2007-06-06 09:03 pm UTC (link)
I sort of feel bad for Misa. I think the trauma of her parents being murdered probably messed her up pretty bad so she's taking it out on the world.

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[info]ikiningyo
2007-06-06 09:13 pm UTC (link)
If Light and L's acting out of noble intentions makes them more virtuous, shouldn't that mean that Misa is morally neutral because she has neither virtuous nor vicious intentions? The act of being Kira means nothing to Misa. I think this illustrates the difference between immorality and amorality.

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[info]serria
2007-06-06 09:22 pm UTC (link)
I do see what you're saying, but I'm not sure if I think so. She does have intentions, and though they aren't malicious, they are selfish. Acting with the goal of achieving a reward or avoid punishment isn't something I would consider neutral, especially because of how far she goes (and how many people suffer) for her to win Light's affections. We could also always pull out the old "indifference to evil is the greatest evil of all" argument, too.

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[info]ikiningyo
2007-06-07 06:09 am UTC (link)
I agree with what [info]_kihaku_ said in a comment a bit below this one.

Someone who knowingly commits evil acts is, imho, more evil (and not just in degree, but also in kind), than someone who doesn't even really have a basic grasp of the concept.

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[info]emiasdf
2007-06-15 08:54 am UTC (link)
I agree wholeheartedly with her intentions being selfish. However, who is to say that Raito's intentions are not? He goes from wanting to "create a perfect world" to planning on "/ruling/ a perfect world." Though, I don't think it's so much his fault, since the power of the Death Note's obviously corrupted him.

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[info]shirikdraguinea
2007-06-06 09:24 pm UTC (link)
unrelated but ICON LOVE

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[info]ikiningyo
2007-06-07 06:10 am UTC (link)
I KNOW :D
It was made by [info]biztheinsane.

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[info]fenm
2007-06-06 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Oh, God, I love your icon. Psycho Kira FTW! [ZAP!]

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[info]ikiningyo
2007-06-07 06:11 am UTC (link)
Thanks ^-^ It was made by [info]biztheinsane.

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[info]fusakugyoku
2007-06-06 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Unlike the other Kiras, Misa has very emotional reasons to kill-- ones that are unlinked to justice or gain. Light at one point describes three kinds of "Kira" killers-- a child who would kill off whoever he doesn't like, a teenager who kills out of idealism (i.e. Light-Kira), and an adult who kills for personal gain (i.e. Higuchi-Kira). Misa fits the child, and while the pilot shows that some child-Kiras like Kagami Taro can be pure and innocent enough to reject the power of the Note, others, like Misa and Taro's friend whose name I can't remember, are immature enough to be taken over, and in that way, they pose a much greater threat than Light-Kira.

In this way, she has the potential to become worse than the "4 Geniuses," although the fact that Light leads her to do his bidding prevents that. I will say that you'd have a difficult time to convince me that she's any worse than Higuchi, though. I would also say that Mikami is, in my opinion, a better symbol of the "mindless follower" than Misa is, because Misa begins by thinking on her own (even almost threatening Light in some instances), but as she begins to rely more and more on Light, she actually becomes less of a threat because she's just a pawn-- just another part of the "teen-Light-Kira."

But yeah, interesting analysis, and I definitely agree with you. I'd also like to ask-- may I post your analysis on DeathNotes (http://deathnotes.kefi.org/) a Death Note analysis site, with full credit to you? Thanks~

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[info]serria
2007-06-07 06:23 pm UTC (link)
I didn't think of that, but I agree that Misa would be the child of Light's analysis. That's really interesting. Kagami Taro was innocent enough, and wanted to make up for all of his mistakes... but the difference with Misa is that she doesn't view them as mistakes at all.

The difference between Mikami and Misa though is that Mikami may be a Kira idolizer but the reason he is so passionate is because he too thinks the world needs justice. Death Note spent a good chunk of manga and part of an episode explaining Mikami's backstory, in fact portraying him as a hero and defender of the weak. Kira is an outlet for Mikami's intentions, therefore I think his ethics are more matured at least.

Sure, you can use it, I don't mind.

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[info]fusakugyoku
2007-06-08 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Thanks; I've posted it and credited it to you as "serria;" please tell me if there's anything at all that you would like changed.

Your piece (w/o the frame) is posted at http://deathnotes.kefi.org/essays/serria_misavillain.html. Thanks again!

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[info]_kihaku_
2007-06-06 09:54 pm UTC (link)
Hmm... interesting. I never considered Misa to be anything like a villain, but more like a pawn, or a character in an unfortunate position. I agree that she's not weak willed, but someone whose actions are deeply affected by another more dominant power.
I think that to be evil, one has to somehow recognise the concept of good and evil and Misa doesn't seem to do so. Her world just revolves around Light and the way she refers to just "killing off people" and her attitude in general is very nonchalant and the issue doesn't seem to have any effect on her. Perhaps she was also mentally unstable, and affected by the death of her parents, and since her mind has been filled with the love for Light, nothing else really makes sense to her.
The same thing can be said about Rem, who also kills innocent out of her love for Misa. And not just innocent, but good people like Watari, who found orphanages.
I wouldn’t call Rem innocent either, even less so when she actually recognises the evil of humans, but still chooses to submit to it and does nothing to stop it. Though Shinigami can be hardly judged by the values and morals of humans, the fact that Rem recognises these morals and has humanlike feelings almost puts her in that category, as opposed to Ryuk. In a way I see her even less innocent than Misa, because Misa doesn't seem to perceive the nature of her actions, while Rem does.
I also don’t see how Misa is plainly using Rem, who doesn’t have a problem with sacrificing everything for her anyway. At least I don’t see it the way I see Light using Misa and Rem.

The question of villains and the concept of evil, moral etc. are very interesting and essential part of Death Note. They're matters that probably can be discussed for ages and from many different angles, since the manga offers so many possibilities for various interpretations.

Now that you mentioned Light, Near and Mello, I guess I have to comment that I only view Light as ethically corrupt. I wouldn’t consider the rest to be representations of utter goodness either, they definitely have their issues, but they're no way on the same level of corruption as Light is.

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[info]serria
2007-06-07 06:34 pm UTC (link)
The Rem thing is interesting. But I'm reluctant to judge her morality because she lives in a world where humans are not much more than insects. They're food that they live off of, so who she kills and why doesn't really matter... but you're right that by becoming so attached to Misa, she comes to judge other characters. Such as Higuchi. And by doing so she 'lowers' herself to our scale of morality. Rem is actually a fascinating character, I should analyze her sometime. :P

But see... concerning Light being ethically corrupt, we could say that he is definitely. But also in my eyes, not quite. He's got a very childish way of thinking, but it was his desire to make the world a better place that caused him to be Kira in the first place. As such, I would say that Light HAS ethics, but they are corrupt.

But I really do think that Near and Mello and ESPECIALLY L are just as bad (if not worse). First Near and Mello... I'm not quite sure if they even have good intentions, or if they simply want to 'win the game'. If the latter is true, they are not heroes, and they disregard people and the world as they manipulate for personal gain. L however, is quite simply a bastard, even if he is lovable. He's charming and quirky, but that doesn't change the fact that throughout the show he *takes a breath*: tortures, imprisons, violates human rights, violates human rights again, hires criminals to catch a criminal (Aiber and Wedy's involvement render L a hypocrite), sets up a mock execution (the CIA and other gov't organizations have illegally done this to torture prisoners - it's effective because of the harsh psychological impact), makes a father pretend to kill his own son, uses death row inmates and indirectly kills them, is willing to let comrades die in order to acquire evidence... the list goes on.

L and Light are definitely both acting because of their personal senses of justice, in a sort of ends-justifies-the-means way. But in my opinion, it's unfair to call Light corrupt if we also don't analyze his nemesis. ;-D

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[info]_kihaku_
2007-06-07 08:29 pm UTC (link)
I don't think I'd judge Rem either, if she didn't have those feelings and values.
Still, although it was Rem who killed L and Watari, the person I was "mad at" was Light. She was used in a similar way that Misa was, and that puts her in the same category in my book.

Oh, I think the three are pretty bad too, just not nearly as bad as Light. ;) They all have strong desires and a certain code they follow. I suppose I determine their level of evil, by how far the individuals are willing to go to achieve their goals. Near and Mello definitely have the "winning thing" going on, but I do believe that they want to capture the criminal as well. L takes a great interest in the case on a personal level, but also has his own personal strong sense of justice, L's desperate measures and even less Near's and Mello's methods are still hardly comparable to Light's mass murdering. All wish to do good, and ironically it's only Light who considers himself a hero (or god, which is even worse) Yes, Light and L both follow “the ends justify the means” policy, but Light takes more extreme measures than L does and is even willing to sacrifice his family for that cause. Initially I think L and Light have a very similar ideal and both have ways to "bend the law to that benefit", but Light takes it to a much higher level. L doesn’t kill anyone, and abuses only criminals (true there was the convict, but there was nothing he could do to prevent his immediate death anyway).
I would also consider the fact that they come from very different backgrounds. Light has lived a fairly normal life with a loving family, and while one might not know much about L it seems like he has always been socially inept and is less influenced by certain known values of society, which are linked to his emotional and social detachment. He makes his decisions based on his idea of justice and is not affected by the idea of possible mental damages to others.
L hires criminals he considers trustworthy enough and useful (despite them being criminals) to help capture a mass murderer, a fact that raises a little bit of animosity amongst the police officers, but is grudgingly submitted to. Light murders murderers, because they deserve to die, and goes far enough to murder anyone innocent or not standing in his way of murdering, making him the greatest murderer of all and thus by his own rules fully “deserving to die”. I see L's methods as questionable, but he does stick to his own values (at least mostly and I doubt he'd use murderers to do his bidding). Light is the biggest hypocrite of them all.
I remember Ohba stating that Light was definitely evil, L was somewhat evil, and Soichiro the symbol of justice, or something like that. ;) I think that way too.

I definitely agree that one has to analyse the nemesis (and other’s with their idea of justice). That’s what's interesting. ;) Death Note has many fascinating and questionable characters. ;)

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[info]attaining
2007-06-06 10:44 pm UTC (link)
XD I'm so sorry I talk so much that I have to post in two comments. ;;

I have to say, it's an interesting take, but I completely disagree. Which is okay, because that's how fandom rolls~ :3

Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I've not read most of vol 11 or 12 yet, but Misa hasn't been killing anyone since, I believe, vol 10, when she gave up ownership of the Death Note. So it's not true that she was killing up until Light's death. Unless Misa gets her memories back in the end, she ended the series not knowing she ever killed anyone or that she had 1/4 of her lifespan left. Since Light orchestrated the whole thing, right down to giving the orders on who to kill, all of the murders committed go straight back to Light. Oh, those crazy conspiracies!

First of all, I don't agree that Light's intentions are noble. He's a power serial killer with a God complex, who thinks he can deem who is righteous and who is a sinner. While he may claim it's for "justice," can you really say that's noble when his idea of justice is so perverse and self-serving? Light's intention is to rule over the new world he created as a god more so than create a world where only kind people live. When you are the single person deeming who is and who is not worthy of life, the nobility in your intentions kind of goes out the window, IMO.

However, if you want to say that Light is acting in the name of justice, then you could easily argue Misa has done the same thing. When Light asks her about the innocent police officers she killed, Misa reacted by saying that sacrifices have to be made in war, that she was only doing the same thing as Kira. Misa claims over and over again that she wants to help Light create a world where only kind people live. When Demegawa gets out of line for the money, Misa says, "You can't buy peace nor love with money!" Even without her memories of the Death Note, she says Kira is a hero who's trying to make the world a better place, and she supports him. Over and over again, we see Misa supporting Kira's goals. So, in that respect, you could argue that Misa has the same noble intentions of justice as Light or L. Also, Misa is abhorred by the idea of Light comparing her to the person who killed her parents. She even says it would've been wrong to kill him. It's not that Misa is selfish and heartless, it's that she's rationalized away her guilt, truly believing it was for a noble cause. She's a loyalty serial killer, but she also appeals to higher beliefs to justify her actions. In vol 10, we even see that Misa doesn't want to kill people. While she does support his goals, the thing Misa wants is to have a normal life with Light. To be his "normal wife." And I'll come back to that later.

And also, I gotta say, the author totally dropped the ball on writing women in Death Note, especially Misa. So that we never saw Misa grieve for Rem might be for the same reason Misa didn't even appear in the end of the manga: the author couldn't fit her in. Misa was not given the chance by the author to grow.

You also have to take in the social implications of the followers of cults. They're not necessarily evil people who lack all morals. They've usually suffered poverty, abuse, sexual abuse, psychological problems, or other traumatic instances that have left them disenchanted with normative social behavior and means of achievement. Misa is not like the followers who ran out to get the money, as Misa is even quoted as chastising them for such.

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[info]attaining
2007-06-06 10:44 pm UTC (link)
IMO, Misa is a very tragic character, who truly didn't know how to live after her parents were murdered in front of her. And we don't know things like how they were murdered or if that robber (it's inaccurate to call him a burglar if he murdered her parents ><'') did something to Misa herself. I believe she had a death wish, which explains all of her risk taking behavior, cutting her lifespan down to 1/4 its total, her willingness to devote her whole being into Light, her willingness to die for him and his cause, and when she finds out Light dies, she kills herself. This is not the behavior of someone with lofty goals of villainy and power, who's trying to selfishly fulfill her desires. This is the behavior of someone who's mentally unbalanced (PTSD???) and wants to die. She didn't want to go on. After all, she calls Light her "savior." What did he save her from? The killer getting off? What would the killer have done if let go? What would have Misa done? I think she was trying to reclaim the normalcy of her life before, but in every wrong way you can imagine.

Unlike Light, who claimed to love Misa so he could use her, Misa never claimed to love Rem to use the Shinigami. Rem did things for Misa of her own volition. Misa never asked Rem to die for her, Misa asked Rem to kill her. Did she ask Rem to die for Light? Yes, but Misa was willing to do the same and it was after Rem mentioned also having feelings for Light. As for her friends and L, yes, but in Misa's mind Light's enemies (or people who get in the way) = sacrifices for the greater good.

Was Misa wrong? Hell yes. Were her intentions less noble than Light's? Light's intentions were Misa's intentions. At the very least, on the surface level, you could say Misa did it all for love and loyalty, which are pretty noble concepts. To say Misa is selfish for wanting Light is similar to saying Light is selfish for wanting to become God. Was she morally corrupt? In the respect she wanted power, no. In the respect she did murdered people in pursuit of a flawed goal, oh yes.

Misa is both a victim and victimizer, but I hardly say that makes her more villainous than Light.

I have other thoughts on Misa's character here. XD;;;

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[info]serria
2007-06-07 06:52 pm UTC (link)
An extremely interesting and well thought out analysis. :) I disagree with a few things but I realize that at this point it comes to personal interpretation of the character.

You're right that she didn't kill anyone after she gave up her memories the second time. I guess I was speaking really generally. She was doing it for years, and then Mikami did it (but for not that long, relatively, before the end). Even so I feel like it adds up to more deaths than Light directly caused, though one could argue that she was doing it because Light told her to in the first place...

I do think that Light's intentions are noble, but his methods are not. I don't think it can be argued that Light wants to make the world a better place, and wants to diminish crime rate. In the very first episode, one of the first things he says is that the world is rotten [due to all the crime]. He is melancholy about it, until he finds his way of making it better. He's still a child, it's true, and acts childishly when 'judging' but the fact that he wanted to bring humanity to salvation is why he didn't stop using the Death Note (like Ryuk said most other humans did after they killed once or twice). He's given himself a holy crusade and that's what gives him the will power to knowingly take lives. I'm not saying that the power doesn't corrupt him, but he never once killed for a selfish reason except saving his own life (which is also simply self-defense).

Misa on the other hand acts only for selfish reasons: pleasing Light. I do see her as admiring Light's ambitions and Kira's goals, but I don't see her fully comprehending them either. I see her as much more simple-minded than that. She focuses all of her bottled up emotions on Light, so that he can do the thinking for her and all she has to do is follow his orders. Plus, Misa's initial intentions don't seem fully honorable to me... she likes Kira because he killed the man who killed her parents. That's entirely revenge as a motive, which isn't honorable. I don't remember her mentioning that she was worried that this man would kill other people, no, just that he killed her parents. Light, at least ideally, doesn't kill for revenge, another difference between he and Misa.

(And I agree about women in Death Note. They needed more screen (er, page) time... but I am a little biased in my disappointment, because the only female that I 100% liked was Wedy the thief.)

I loathed how Misa used Rem, but I see you're point in that she didn't ask for it... well, she did a little. But even so it was Rem's choice. But you know, interesting parallel. It's Misa's choice to be Light's pawn, just like it's Rem's choice to be Misa's pawn... hm!

Thank you for the interesting thoughts. :) I do agree that Misa is tragic, but I think in a sense, everybody in Death Note is tragic and in a sense a victim. Light, a brilliant and even kind-hearted young boy has his life cut short because he tried to save the world, L the genius detective meets his greatest match and also has his life cut short, etc. But the only one wasn't corrupt in some way would have to be Soichiro Yagami, and in the end he had the least tragic death because he died believing that his son was innocent. (Wow, I'm rambling) Thanks again! I love discussing the depths of characters.

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[info]attaining
2007-06-07 08:06 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! Yes, I don't think we'll see eye to eye on their chars, but that's okay. Fandom would be boring if everyone agreed? XD

Well, Misa was directly ordered by Light to kill criminals. I mean he flat out says "kill criminals in my place." So the majority of the people Misa killed were killed by Light's order. Do you blame the soldier who pulled the trigger or the commander who gave the order? All murders by both Misa and Teru directly go back to Light. After all, Light gave Teru the DN in hopes that he would use it.

I disagree on Light. I think it's a little risky to call someone's intentions noble when their actions are so contrary; Light is not much different than some of our most famous cult leaders, serial killers, genocide leaders in terms of thought patterns. They all believed what they were doing was bettering the world, however, the main motivation is power. Light may have begun with noble intentions, but his intention shifted from "a holy crusade" to "making myself God." I also disagree he never killed for selfish reasons: the moment Light saw "L" on television, he struck him down, and certainly not out of self-defense, but because L dared to challenge him. He used lesser offense criminals as guinea pigs to test the DN, and even admitted using people who may not have been serious offenders to further his agenda. The murder of the innocent FBI agents was a pre-emptive strike against someone who may potentially stop his plan, similar to the police officers Misa killed at the station.

I'm not sure I understand where "killing to help/please someone else" is a more selfish motivation. Others might say sacrificing yourself totally for someone else (remember she was willing to die for him), is actually selfless. You're right: Misa does not understand the consequences or implications of her actions. So, I don't understand why you call Misa selfish or villainous when she simply isn't aware of wrongdoing. Meanwhile, Light knows what he's doing is wrong, but justifies it as necessary to fixing his world. I disagree it was revenge: if it was revenge, Misa would have killed the burglar herself. I think this goes back to the fundamental problem with Misa: the author didn't explain her motivations, so they don't make very clear sense. XD;;; I genuinely think Misa has some type of psychological problem and was seeking Kira as a father figure. Originally, she wasn't seeking Kira to love him, only to help and thank him because she saw what he was doing as noble: THIS was her original intention, and is NOT done just to please him. When she discovered Light was young, she instead placed everything into "loving and being loved." It goes back to my theories that Misa was just so broken she didn't know how to live and didn't even want to. We see her again and again do very self-sacrificing acts to protect/help Light. He's her anchor to the world, so there is something both selfish and selfless in her LOVE, not her intentions. But I completely disagree that alone makes her more villainous than Light. However, whenever you kill someone and it benefits you personally, it's selfish. So all of the characters in DN have selfish motivations, I guess. XD; They're all deeply flawed.

Yes! Wedy was fun! I mean the author failed in writing female characters totally, not just underdevelopment. XD;

Again, I disagree Misa used Rem and that this is a parallel to Light using Misa. Misa never misled Rem with false love, didn't lie to Rem, never asked her to do anything for Light that she was not willing to do herself. Meanwhile, Light lied to Misa, lied about loving her, used her sexually (kissing her, hugging her, who knows what else?), set her up to die so Rem would save her, and ONLY got her to bend to his will by promising her love. If anyone used Rem, it was Light. He set Misa up to be caught, and forced Rem into the position of killing L and dying herself or letting Misa die. Remember, Rem had developed feelings for Light, too. Light was the one who used Rem's feelings for Misa.

Thank you for yours as well. :D Yes, Death Note is filled with tragic characters. I don't think things could end happily for any of them, because as the author stated, the series was about the harsh reality that people die, not the human drama aspect.

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[info]thickets
2007-06-06 11:50 pm UTC (link)
As [info]attaining said, how anyone can describe Light's intentions as noble anyway is beyond me. Light's actions are all self-serving. They are all geared towards creating a world which he has precise control over -- NOT a world of justice like he claims. Or rather, a world in which he is justice. We quote that line of L and Light's and think it's pretty cute -- "I am justice" -- only it's not. There's really a difference between what L and Light mean there, and it's the fundamental different between L and Light, amidst all of their similarities. L means he is the hand of justice. He does what he feels is right, but does not gain anything out of it but a sense of self-accomplishment and the enjoyment of the race to the finish-line. Light really means is justice -- judge, jury, prosecuting attorney, jail warden and executioner.

I was arguing about this recently on a forum, except I was arguing about Light vs. Mikami rather than Light vs. Misa. I don't even like Mikami, while I sort of pity Misa. But it's more or less the same for either one of them. Mikami and Misa are HUMAN. They do the evil that they do out of passion -- Mikami out of a religious-like fervor and revenge against the unfair imbalances in society he has always been aware of -- Misa out of love and also a desire to right the imbalances she became aware of following her parents' death. Remember, she supported Kira long before she ever met Light. The difference between Mikami and Misa? One is well developed by the author and the other is not. And that has to do with the sexism of Death Note, and not about Misa as a character at all.

It doesn't excuse their actions to me -- like I said, I dislike Mikami, I think he's a whiny brat -- and I also often find Misa to be annoying. But I do have a degree of pity for both of them, especially for Misa. Light gets very little pity from me. He's a cruel and twisted fellow, right from the start. He is cold and emotionless and maintains no connections with any person; they are all pawns to be used by him. A great deal of this is surely the influence of the Death Note and the promise of power, but I think the Note only works with what is there; that's why Mikami, Misa, and even Higuchi had such different, infinitely more human responses to it. Light was always cold and unfeeling. He always felt like he was better than everyone else. He was always, I think, scared to allow himself to be weak and human. Therfore, pretty much all pity I have for him is ruled out by disgust.

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[info]_kihaku_
2007-06-07 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Well.., I agree with what [info]serria's comment above, Light's intentions are noble ( initially ), but his methods are not. He thinks that he's doing something noble by taking the burden upon himself to create a better world.
But quickly his naive idea of a perfect world shifts towards an idea of a world he rules over.

We quote that line of L and Light's and think it's pretty cute -- "I am justice" -- only it's not. There's really a difference between what L and Light mean there, and it's the fundamental different between L and Light, amidst all of their similarities. L means he is the hand of justice. He does what he feels is right, but does not gain anything out of it but a sense of self-accomplishment and the enjoyment of the race to the finish-line. Light really means is justice -- judge, jury, prosecuting attorney, jail warden and executioner.

This was so well put!!! I don’t have much to say here, besides that I fully agree (and I have to save this somewhere)

Also Mikami and Misa have been affected by the deaths in the past. They both have reasons to be mentally instable (Mikami seems to be so even more). They could have used counselling. Light however... was probably a lost cause (since his insanity is less visible and impossible to trace)

I agree here too. I pity both Mikami and Misa, and it’s hard to pity Light until the very end.
Normal people (humans) wouldn't have that sort of reaction to using the Death Note, and the reason how a perfectly normal high school boy just "becomes evil" with no apparent reason that could be traced back to possible traumatic experiences is a mystery... I like to think that the Death Note had a great effect on him, but I agree that something just "had to be there" for it to work on. ;)

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[info]writer_craft
2007-06-07 03:54 am UTC (link)
I like Misa and she is an outstanding character although really extreme. I did like your points though.

She is often mistaken to possess stupidity or naivete. Although she's so beautiful and shows signs of being very intelligent, she clearly has very low self esteem. It's interesting that she's a model because that's an industry with a huge amount of pressure...it's also one where you're by nature used for your appearance. It's so sad! For someone to have such a HUGE desire to be loved by someone (possibly connected with her parents murder/low self esteem connected with her appearance...?) that they make themselves believe that someone like Light (who clearly hates her)actually loves them.

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I think this sums it up~
[info]attaining
2007-06-07 04:42 am UTC (link)
Thank God I'm Pretty
by Emilie Autumn


Thank god I’m pretty
The occasional free drink I never asked for
The occasional admission to a seedy little bar
Invitation to a stranger’s car
I’m blessed
With the ability to render grown men tongue-tied
Which only means that when it’s dark outside
I have to run and hide
Can’t look behind me
Thank god I’m pretty

Thank god I’m pretty
Every skill I ever have will be in question
Every ill that I must suffer
Clearly brought on by myself
Though the cops would come for someone else
I’m blessed
I’m truly privileged to look this good without clothes on
Which only means that when I sing you’re jerking off
And when I’m gone you won’t remember
Thank god I’m pretty

Thank you god
Oh lord
Thank you god

And when a gaggle of faces appears around me
It’s lucky I hate to be taken seriously
I think my ego would fall right through the cracks in the floor
If I couldn’t count on men to slap my ass anymore
I know my destiny’s such
That I must stocking and curl
So everybody thinks that I’m
A fucking Suicide Girl
Oh

Thank you god
For the occasional champagne I never asked for
The occasional admission to a seedy little bar
Invitation to a stranger’s car
I’m blessed
With the ability to render grown men tongue-tied
Which only means that when it’s dark outside
I have to run and hide
Can’t look behind me
Thank god I’m pretty
Thank god
Thank god
Thank you thank you thank you thank you
Thank you god...

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[info]psycho_le_kill
2007-06-08 10:26 pm UTC (link)
I pretty much got nothing to contribute to this post except that you're a real pretty girl that I'm pretty sure I would have chance with if we encountered each other at some random Southern bar.

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[info]0death0wish0
2007-06-11 06:10 pm UTC (link)
hmm all the views here're very interesting. i agree with fusakugyoku the most.

it seems tat, when one has wat it takes, one will always get wat one wants, n everything else is simlply... irrelevant. @_@

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[info]snowpatrol89
2009-04-11 02:08 am UTC (link)
You agree with both attaining and the poster of the entry. I think Misa is just very deluded and misguided even if her intentions were good. She is not cruel because she wants to be. Her parents were murdered and she wanted revenge-which Light had achieved for her. However her disregard for her friend and innocent people being 'sacrificed' never sat well with me but then again, Light killed 12 innocent policemen and Naomi. He killed Aiber and Wedy, who I can't imagine would hurt or murder innocent people. Misa is his pawn and I don't really blame her but she didn't try and understand the consequences of her actions.

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