the idle blue ronin ([info]smea_chan) wrote in [info]death_eyes,
@ 2006-10-11 01:57:00
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Q　最後に登場する女性信者の正体は？
A　あくまでキラを崇拝する信者の一人です　ミサではありません（大場）
　　モチーフは特になく、イメージ優先で描きました（小畑）

Q　ミサが最終回に登場しなかった理由は？
A　状況的にどうしても描けなかったからです
　月を愛している、そしてノートを使ったものが不幸になるというのならば
　松田あたりが月の死をボロッと漏らしてしまったと思うんです
　そして絶望して自殺・・・というところでしょう（大場）

※一部端折ってます

ニア　155CM
メロ　171CM

以下大場インタビューから適当に抜粋。微妙にニュアンス変わってると思うけど

・「幕」の最後の煽り文を考えたのは大場　
・メロの最期は真意を伏せる為敢えてしょぼくした
・月はミサに対して「人を殺すので悪人」と認識していた　
・「DEATHNOTE」では人間ドラマを深めるより現実の厳しさを描きたかった
・「人間ドラマを描かなかったからこそスピーディーな展開が出来たんでしょうね」
・作品のテーマは特に無い　強いて挙げれば”人はいつか必ず死ぬ　死んだら生き返らない”
・善悪論は描きたくなかった　重要だと思っていない　
・”月は凄い悪””Lも若干悪””総一郎だけが正義”くらい


TRANSLATION by [info]yasashii_sekai

Here's the translation:

Q　Who is the girl at the end?
A　She's only a worshipper of Kira. It's not Misa.（Ooba）
　　There was no particular motif, she was drawn based on my own impressions. (Obata）

Q　Why didn't Misa appear at the end?
A　I couldn't write her in, because of the situation.
She loves Light, and users of the Death Note end up miserable. Matsuda probably let it slip that Light died, so I believe she fell into despair and committed suicide.

Near 155 cm
Mello 171 cm

Below are snippets from Ooba's interview. Some of the nuances are a bit different, though.

・Ooba thought of the tagline at the end of "Maku" [chapter 107] herself.
・Mello's death was done badly on purpose to hide the truth.
・Light considered Misa evil because she killed people.　
・Ooba wanted to write about the harshness of reality, rather than human drama in Death Note.
・The speedy plot was possible because she avoided writing about the human drama aspects.
・There is no particular theme to the series; If you had to pick one, it'd be "Humans all die someday. Once dead, they can never be ressurected."
・She didn't want to write about good or evil, and considered it unimportant.　
・"Light was very evil", "L was also somewhat evil", "Only Souichirou was justice"


EDIT: now with translation! thanks to [info]yasashii_sekai

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[info]_garbage_doll_
2006-10-10 06:07 pm UTC (link)
I don't speak or read Japanese at all but I copied and pasted the text into a online translator. It's not very well translated, but still makes sense...sort of:

The true colors of female believer who appears at the end?
There was especially no motif, and it drew by the image priority ..no
one person Mass of ..A.. believer who worshiped Kira to the end (Oba)
it to have.. (Obata).

The reason why Q Mass doesn't appear in the final times?
It is because it was not possible to draw in A situation.
It is thought that it has leaked it, despairs (Oba).

- A part of edge case

155 Nia CM
171 Mero CM

It suitably excerpts it from the Oba interview hereafter. Though it is thought that
the nuance has changed slightly

･It is Oba to think about the last fuel sentence of "Act".
･The death of Mero is because it dares to turn down the real intention.
･The moon was recognized to the Mass, "It is a bad man because it killed the person".

･Deepening the man drama in "DEATHNOTE" wanted to draw the severity of the reality.
･"It drew and it is likely to be able ..man drama.. ..S Pee Dee.. to have developed. "

･The theme of the work is "The person doesn't revive when he or she dies ..the death
some time without fail... " if it enumerates it forcedly as not being especially
･The good and evil theory is not thought to be important not wanting draw.
･In "The moon is terrible and bad", "Some L is also bad", and "Only Soichiro is a justice"

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[info]smea_chan
2006-10-10 06:10 pm UTC (link)
DAMNNNNNNNNNNN..... i didn't notice the "moon worshipping" part before! awesomeness!!

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[info]moon_rat
2006-10-10 06:20 pm UTC (link)
What I can garner from the first one:

Q: "Who was the identity of the female devotee who appeared at the end?"
A: "A devotee who worshipped Kira to the last - not Misa." (Ooba)
"There was no particular motif, it was drawn to my image preference*." (Obata)

(The word is 優先 - I think he could be also saying that it was rushed? Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

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[info]panjapanja
2006-10-10 06:22 pm UTC (link)
I gave it a try... the key points from the Q/A part are basically:

* Misa is NOT the girl worshipping Kira at the end of the manga.
* Misa did not appear at the end because she had slipped into sorrow and may have committed suicide.

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[info]smea_chan
2006-10-10 06:24 pm UTC (link)
someone also mentioned suicide in the other comm
but i guess it's only natural for her to do so :\

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[info]mozaemonpico
2006-10-10 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Na, I posted it in another post, but what I can read, Misa committed suicide after Matsuda told him about Raito's death. I'm positive about the the suicide, but the Matsuda part not very.

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[info]smea_chan
2006-10-10 06:26 pm UTC (link)
ooh, where? o.o

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[info]eisha_chan
2006-10-10 06:38 pm UTC (link)
Q: Who is the true character of the female belivers who appears at the end?
A: She is one of the believers who worship KIRA to the last. She is not a Misa. (Oba)
There is especially no motif and she was drawn by image priority.(Obata)

Q: What was the reason that Misa did not appear in the last round?
Because I was never able to draw in situation.
If the Raito was to be loved then the using of the note would've become a misfortune
I think that Matsuda has revealed the death of Raito by saying BOROTSU.
and -- despairing -- suicide -- Is going to be what I call it ...

* End part

Near　155CM
Mello　171CM

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Yeah, I got lazy after that XD;; I have no idea what Borotsu is...

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[info]lefcadio
2006-10-10 06:46 pm UTC (link)
...that's depressing. Poor Misa. :(

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[info]yasashii_sekai
2006-10-10 06:53 pm UTC (link)
This is really disappointing if it's true. -_-

Here's the translation:

Q　Who is the girl at the end?
A　She's only a worshipper of Kira. It's not Misa.（Ooba）
　　There was no particular motif, she was drawn based on my own impressions. (Obata）

Q　Why didn't Misa appear at the end?
A　I couldn't write her in, because of the situation.
She loves Light, and users of the Death Note end up miserable. Matsuda probably let it slip that Light died, so I believe she fell into despair and committed suicide.

Near 155 cm
Mello 171 cm

Below are snippets from Ooba's interview. Some of the nuances are a bit different, though.

・Ooba thought of the tagline at the end of "Maku" [chapter 107] herself.
・Mello's death was done badly on purpose to hide the truth.
・Light considered Misa evil because she killed people.　
・Ooba wanted to write about the harshness of reality, rather than human drama in Death Note.
・The speedy plot was possible because she avoided writing about the human drama aspects.
・There is no particular theme to the series; If you had to pick one, it'd be "Humans all die someday. Once dead, they can never be ressurected."
・She didn't want to write about good or evil, and considered it unimportant.　
・"Light was very evil", "L was also somewhat evil", "Only Souichirou was justice"

---------------------

Several things in here really clash with my own interpretation of the series (especially the last point). >_< Good thing I believe in "death to the author" and all that. But since this isn't the full interview anyway, maybe some things sound better in context...

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[info]flutingfrenzy
2006-10-10 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Wait, so the part about Mello's death--what exactly are they referring to when they say "the truth"?

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[info]accio
2006-10-10 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Oh my god. The dramaaa...It very nearly borders that of when JKRowling reveals something to us about the series we didn't know or had wanted to know. (yeah I did a huge fandom skip there, sorry...)

ANYWAYS! I think...this has been answered/translated properly in previous comments, so I'm simply going to ditto [info]yasashii_sekai as that's what I got from it as well. ^^

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[info]chakuura
2006-10-10 07:45 pm UTC (link)
Finally, people won't say the girl at the end is Misa...it looked nothing like her anyway. D:

That's all really interesting though, I had thought that Misa may have killed herself, but only in passing. Still have no idea who Souichirou is though...I haven't read the manga in a while. >_o

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[info]smea_chan
2006-10-10 07:49 pm UTC (link)
lol, [info]yasashii_sekai just told me it's Raito's dad XD

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[info]sinspire
2006-10-10 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Oh no way, that wasn't Misa? Well, I suppose it makes more sense that she's dead. I mean, she couldn't have had much time left.

lol, I like the er, indirect moral to the story: "Humans all die someday. Once dead, they can never be ressurected." Blunt much?

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[info]deidarachan
2006-10-10 08:20 pm UTC (link)
Oh oh oh, I was hoping that the How to Read would have info about what happened to Misa! Thank you, that was really interesting!

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[info]nickel_curry
2006-10-10 08:35 pm UTC (link)
"・Mello's death was done badly on purpose to hide the truth."

The truth being that he didn't really die?

I also thought the part about Light thinking Misa was evil pretty funny, haha.

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[info]smea_chan
2006-10-10 08:42 pm UTC (link)
this person explains it best
http://community.livejournal.com/death_eyes/253098.html?thread=2713770#t2713770

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[info]radfel
2006-10-10 08:42 pm UTC (link)
Light considered Misa evil because she killed people
WOW. XD hahaha awww Light you are seriously the best.

And I love, LOVE the fact that Ooba consideres L evil. Thank you, finally someone agrees with me.

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[info]moonjaguar
2006-10-10 09:06 pm UTC (link)
Light to me is a very black-and-white, good-and-evil, all-or-nothing thinker and personality. I can see him thinking Misa was evil because she killed people-- but Light figured he was good because he was ridding the world of those he considered evil, not just "killing people".

I'm in agreement with you about L. His looks, mannerisms and speech quirks are endearing but he often was seriously cold-blooded and lacking in empathy.

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[info]sevetenks
2006-10-10 09:51 pm UTC (link)
... Hm. I've never considered L evil before but it does make sense I suppose. Now I wonder, which was the least evil, if that even makes sense, between LMN.

And as crazy as it sounds I'm thinking Mello o.o

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peanut butter and sociopathy
[info]phrenic_entropy
2006-10-10 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Strange as this might sound, I think Near is probably the least "evil" of the Three Wise Men (*chuckle*), if the term can be applied so loosely (since Ohba makes it clear that this story is not so much about making any sort of delineation between Good and Evil, but instead about existing realities and the 'truth,' as it were, about the humyn condition).

Mello, very cleary, was willing to become Kira to beat Kira, and that takes him out of the running for being any sort of substantively "good" character.

And L, toward the end of his life, became increasingly withdrawn and even (facetiously) remarked once or twice that it would be okay to let someone die (ends justify the means and all that), or that they would need to "test" the Death Note to make sure that it was real (am I remembering this correctly? was that Near? If so, then this theory is doopie and I should shut up now). This can be accredited (likely) to his desperation to flush out the killer, and perhaps the instinctive knowledge that his death is imminent, encroaching, but his resolve to be The Good Guy slowly begins to crumble near the end of his life. (As far as his --ostentatiously--rude personality quirks go...I think that's more something biological than it was a conscious intent to be crass or flippant. Latent, inverted sociopathy, perhaps, or a form of Autism, which was probably not intentional, but nonetheless marvelously feasible. So, said quirks don't necessarily count against his Good-o-Meter.)

As for Near...Near is Pure Objectivism. He's a seriously F*cked Up Child-Gone-Horribly-Wrong, and he's definitely verbally cruel, and yes, his wit is certainly caustic and severe...but he never at any point is willing to do something definitively *evil.* He's a (loveable! adorable!) prick, but he's done nothing to qualify him in any capacity as Evil. He's the 'neutral' character, in my book. The unbiased third party who stands behind and assesses, and only makes decisions based upon logic and reason, though with highly emotionally-charged goals in mind.

If that even makes sense.

Where L is Purity/Innocence gradually chipped away, Mello is Passion Misdirected, and Near...well, Near is Static, Determined Objectivism.

I love them all.

And frankly, I hadn't actually thought of L in terms of 'evil' before Ohba said it, either.

But...but, yeah.

She's so f*cking amazing.

That is all.

ag


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[info]enjolras
2006-10-10 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Light considered Misa evil because she killed people.

Heh, of course Light would think Misa was evil. He himself said that he was aware that he was killing people at the end. He knew he was doing wrong so that statement is not quite as strange as it might sound.

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[info]phrenic_entropy
2006-10-10 11:08 pm UTC (link)
I'm also glad she gave the Justice Baton exclusively to Soichirou.

About mid-way through the series (just shortly before L died *sob*), it occurred to me that he was the diametric opposite of his son, the juxtaposed image of the Meglomaniacal Mass-Murderer (with "good" intent), and the Ultimate Archetype of the Unflappably Good Guy.

The Jesus (pronounced Hey-Seuss, so as not to offend anyone) to Light's Kira (hee--Kira was ACTUALLY the devil in Angel Sanctuary *dies of beautiful way that Universe is somehow magically All Linked Together*), if you will.

I'm glad she officially recognized that.

It's incredible the way that she gave us the two opposites so starkly like she did (there was no grey area with either of them; it was all-or nothing for them both, as moonjaguar pointed out already in Light's case), with such prominent characters in the story, and in the form of Father and Son, even.

Yay, Ohba-sama!

AND.

(yes, there's more. i'm obnoxious. live with it. ^_^)

Girdles.

Additionally.

I'm also happy she addressed Mello's death, and the Aftermath of Misa. I had figured (kinda) that something along those lines was true in each respective situation, but you know...now I KNOW.

...does anyone know if we're given any insight into any of the characters' ("any" meaning L, Light, Near, and/or Mello) hystories?

Yes?

No?

I YEARN FOR STUUUUFF! >.<

Love and platypi.

The end.

(hopefully this time for good)

ag

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[info]geartemis
2006-10-11 12:28 am UTC (link)
Ooba wanted to write about the harshness of reality, rather than human drama in Death Note.

...she should check out the internet fandom someday.

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[info]phrenic_entropy
2006-10-11 01:24 am UTC (link)
lol --nothing BUT drama in fandom-verse.

Which seems to suit everyone here Just Fine.

The end.

ag

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[info]racquetok
2006-10-11 12:58 am UTC (link)
You know what, half the stuff said in that translation I already kind of suspected anyway. I even agreed with the 'L was somewhat evil' comment.

But even if Ooba wanted to write about the harshness of reality; to me it still came across as being a clash between good and evil.

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[info]phrenic_entropy
2006-10-11 01:22 am UTC (link)
Or, better yet, a clash Between Evil (God-Complex) Sex #1, and Ideosyncratic (Finger-Toes/Panda/Insomniatic/Suagr-Infused) Sex #2.

Yes.

Yay! for Sex.

(And Light's Number One because he's the type of guy who would probably care --subconsciously, if nothing else--about that kind of thing.

...not that L wouldn't.

I just don't think L would kill you later in your sleep because of it.)

Um.

Cheetos?

ag

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[info]phrenic_entropy
2006-10-11 01:39 am UTC (link)
L would LOVE!

Oh, the laughter.

And hell, I'D like to 'test' Kira's abilities.

Even if it DID mean Eventual Death.

But I'd much rather read L trying to 'figure out' (sleep with) Light's Method o' Death (Explodey Mind Sex), with much Clever Banter and Word(fore)play.

Something tells me L'd object less to trying out the Death Note if it meant Butt-Secks with Light.

Mm-hm.

ag

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Ohba Sucks
[info]glassdarkly
2006-10-11 11:18 pm UTC (link)
she's a bad writter. end of story. she was shrooming. I remember in an interview that she regretted killing L in the way she did cause it screwed up the story too much. So she just screws it up more. LISTEN TO THE FANS PEOPLE!! Thats what you must do when you write. I figured it was because she was pressed to finish on time and she just said fuck it, but her excuses seal it. she's a terrible writter. I don't pay attention to terrible writters, I make up my own endings for personal satisfaction--everything happened as planned, but in more detail I find satsifaction in the theory that kira is in hell, and L, mello and matt are there too. So I can only imagine the eternal fun they'll have. you can tell she was pressed because all the little chit chat in the end chapter had all the best parts in it.

her biggest problem is, its all talking. thats great in the short run, but for 110 chapters its bad, especially when you TALK about action and obvious action scenes just ready to pop, and nothing happens. they just talk...talk and stand still. no one does anything. no twists, no turns, no interesting plots. I counted in my head three possible options that could have worked out very reasonably! THREE!! the only kinda interesting ending was that matsuda went ape shit. but mikami being killed by near--that was something we needed to see! more on mello's past and stuff he did to get where he was would have been nice too, he was an emotional and in-depth, very important character, perhaps the secondary force in the second season, and she threw him aside.

No one was explained. It was all talking. A story this long NEEDS action and emotion and drama and plot twists and sex and violence and mayhem. clean and simple, that fucking c^%$ was a terrible, horrendous writter. She wasted Oobata's time and talent! The art was what most of us thrived on two, without him, no one would have really payed attention this long. She spead through everything interesting and locked her claws down on the boring and irrelevant. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Those excuses are bullshit. I hate misa, but that should have been her at the end. I mean, even saying that she commit suicide is too important to leave to an interview!

Can you tell I've been planning this? It doesn't take much for me to answer whats wrong with DeathNote. I mean, in the first season, the most awesome plot was the handcuff and the humor between l and light, and misa's personal issues. she started out great. The one way I've always made stories is to plan the ending FIRST, or somewhere where you know how its going to end. You need time and second opinion.

Shit. Thats all this was--shit. and I'm not even gonna get how to read 13, cause it will be shit too. I rely on my own story, corpse flower, that has my personal indentations that make me feel better (plus lots of hot graphic sex as extras ^^) with love, lust, violence, flashback, info, action, emotion and drama. its my way of coping--but it still pains me.

this comment was much longer than I intended it. sorry.

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Re: Ohba Sucks
[info]smea_chan
2006-10-12 04:55 am UTC (link)
you know i am hoping the anime writers/producers will be able to notice some of Ohba's/the mangas shortcomings and try to fill in for those in this anime adaptation. not exactly deviate from the story, but to add in all those blanks. like the drama part Ohba says she (is it really a she?) left out cos she thought it was unnecessary, i think this actually will be key and i hope the anime will play it up without overdoing it. it would then make it one very fantastic piece of anime.

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Re: Ohba Sucks - [info]purple_pride, 2006-10-12 08:02 am UTC
Re: Ohba Sucks - [info]smea_chan, 2006-10-12 09:16 am UTC
Re: Ohba Sucks - [info]glassdarkly, 2006-10-12 06:57 pm UTC
Re: Ohba Sucks - (Anonymous), 2006-10-13 02:40 pm UTC
Re: Ohba Sucks - [info]glassdarkly, 2006-10-13 06:31 pm UTC
Re: Ohba Sucks - [info]ririel, 2006-10-15 06:22 am UTC
Re: Ohba Sucks - [info]stillarium, 2006-10-29 01:22 pm UTC
Re: Ohba Sucks - [info]glassdarkly, 2006-10-30 03:26 pm UTC

[info]keikeiaznqueen
2006-10-12 01:22 pm UTC (link)
Woah, I didn't quite realise that this manga wasn't really aimed at good/evil because that's what a lot of people thought and wrote about when they reviewed DN. 0_0

But yeah, the girl at the end couldn't be Misa since Misa looks different. It would make sense if she committed suicide though.

I'm glad that Souichiroh was the only justice one. ^0^ He's such a great person.

I agree with L being a little evil but... *whistles* >_> it's CUTE evil!! XDDD

The mentioning of Mello and L in the very last volume of DN when Near was explaining about how he busted Light was really good. ^0^ Making Mello's death really quick was a good idea since I was quite awed by the effect it made when Near mentioned it again. *loves of "cameos" of L and Mello*

I think Ohba's amazing. ^0^

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[info]fallenangelkat
2006-10-12 04:32 pm UTC (link)
It's so informative. Thanks!^^

BUT...

" Mello's death was done badly on purpose to hide the truth."

o__O

AAARGGHHHH!!!! (tears hair in utter grief)

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[info]smea_chan
2006-10-12 04:36 pm UTC (link)
wait wait wait!
this person's explanation gave it some sense!
http://community.livejournal.com/death_eyes/253098.html?thread=2713770#t2713770

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