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Exploring and Exposing Dominionist Christianity
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Found this while surfing the Internet...
...WTF?!?!?

Straight Pride Wear

May not seem that bad, until you see these two pages:

About Us: Straight Pride Clothing Company

Save America: Straight Pride Clothing Company

So, I'm betting this is part of the Dominionist shadow economy that we know all-too-well about...
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somnambulicious From: [info]somnambulicious Date: May 10th, 2006 07:40 am (UTC) (Link)
This t-shirt design is a little...um...distinctive?

enkinhou From: [info]enkinhou Date: May 10th, 2006 07:56 am (UTC) (Link)
...

...I'm at a loss for words (in the bad way; the VERY bad way). That is, just...

...wow.
finding_rowan From: [info]finding_rowan Date: May 10th, 2006 01:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good Gods. My brain weeps.
archanglrobriel From: [info]archanglrobriel Date: May 10th, 2006 03:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I was thinking the saaaame thing. Is that the Nazi Death Chicken??!?!?!

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wood_elf From: [info]wood_elf Date: May 10th, 2006 07:41 am (UTC) (Link)
Won't somebody please think of the children?!

So, they are arguing that kids need a male and female rolemodel, but remain oddly silent on single parent families, apart from vaguely dismissing them as a bad thing. I wonder if anyone writing along the same lines has taken this reasoning through to its logical conclusion, and tried to get all those single mums and dads paired off 'for the sake of the kids'? We need t-shirts demanding that, dammit!
From: [info]lesser_gods Date: May 10th, 2006 10:36 am (UTC) (Link)
On a related note, I would like to see someone pointing out to them that, by their logic, it would still be okay for lesbian couples to raise girls, and gay male couples to raise boys. :-O Why do I get the feeling they'd get upset at this suggestion?
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dogemperor From: [info]dogemperor Date: May 10th, 2006 11:41 am (UTC) (Link)
Although it isn't mentioned on the site, dominionists would like to force single moms into marriage on pain of removing custody of their kids and giving their kids to "nice, Christian homes". Some groups have even proposed the massive re-setup of orphanages.

Yes, this has included on occasion promoting the idea that rape victims marry their rapists :P

As for women who are single parents due to domestic violence, dominionists are against the idea of divorce or separation for any reason (in fact, many are pushing for "covenant marriage"--which would make it legally impossible for many persons to divorce an abusive spouse, as divorces are typically prohibited if kids are in the marriage and both parties and a judge have to consent to divorce during the few times it's allowed) and have literally told women to "stand by their man" even in cases where the husband is sexually molesting their children. Here, too, they want women to stay with their abusers--on pain of having their children removed.

Yes, it *is* creepy, and yes, it *is* reminiscent of a plot point in "The Handmaid's Tale".
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suziecroft From: [info]suziecroft Date: May 10th, 2006 07:42 am (UTC) (Link)
It amuses me way too much that one of the women on the front page has a very prominent rainbow on her jacket.
From: [info]inkedgeekfreak Date: May 10th, 2006 10:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

Rainbow

Amen.

Reminds of the 80's when OP products had rainbows and you couldn't tell who was wearing for gay or just watned to be a surfer.

BTW <3 your icon.
the_methotaku From: [info]the_methotaku Date: May 10th, 2006 07:53 am (UTC) (Link)
The College Republicans tried to hold a "Straight Pride Day" on my campus. All the progressive orgs came togeather do a counterprotest and boy was that fun. We had free lituratre including some very silly campy novels. Eventually most of the Republicans left because the sun got too hot. We, OTOH, had brought a canopy.
enkinhou From: [info]enkinhou Date: May 10th, 2006 08:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes, our on-campus Rethugs (yes, this moniker is proper because the club has, time and again, goose-stepped in line with Dubya and his cronies) have an organization of their own. They have a "conservative culture week"...

...yes, because pandering to Dominionists and rolling back all of the civil rights achievements to the distant, distant past is SO COOL! *rolls eyes*
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hitchhiker_309 From: [info]hitchhiker_309 Date: May 10th, 2006 09:23 am (UTC) (Link)

Enlighten me please

Because A) I AM gay and B) I seem to never have received my copy of Teh Big Gay Agenda from The Head Homo. A friend of mine has though and has briefed me on it. Here's my understanding of it's contents (please fell free to correct me if I'm wrong):


THE BIG GAY AGENDA

1) To live comfortably off of the money I earn

2) To fall and love and be happy

3) Above all things, to be and simply let be
enkinhou From: [info]enkinhou Date: May 10th, 2006 09:49 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Enlighten me please

That pretty much summarizes "T3H BIG GH3Y AG3NDA, ONOES".

Although, there was some whispering about dissidents within the group, wanting to wipe out heterosexuality by engineering a chemical that would make the whole world "gh3y", but that hasn't been substantiated...
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miss_padfoot From: [info]miss_padfoot Date: May 10th, 2006 02:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Enlighten me please

No, no, you've got it all wrong. This is the gay agenda.
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velvetpage From: [info]velvetpage Date: May 10th, 2006 10:16 am (UTC) (Link)
You know, I've taught two kids who came from gay families. Though the boy had some significant difficulties in school, they didn't stem from not knowing how to be male. He seemed to have picked that up just fine. And his moms were more deeply involved with him and with his education than many of the straight parents in my class. They both showed up for Meet the Creature, for example - as only about half the parents did, and most of them only one parent at a time.

Then again, the big difference with him may have been his relationship with his uncle. His birth mother's brother lived just around the corner and spent tons of time with the family (he was much younger, and didn't have a family of his own yet.) Hmm. Think maybe they've missed a source of male role models somewhere?
makuus From: [info]makuus Date: May 10th, 2006 11:24 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, there goes someone else telling me what I am based on my circumstances. So, just because I was raised by a single mother -- and thus without a strong father figure around all the time -- I am not a "healthy man"? Damn, and here I thought I was being healthy, what with being successfully growing a career, being respectful of others as people (you know, like actually making eye contact with the opposite sex, such a tough thing for men to do!), and being giving of my time, money, and care to help others where I can. To think, all this time, I was just being a defective man. *sighs*

This is almost as funny as the time someone in a loose group of acquaintances of mine told me that I wasn't a person because I was born through C-section...
ellid From: [info]ellid Date: May 10th, 2006 11:46 am (UTC) (Link)

This is almost as funny as the time someone in a loose group of acquaintances of mine told me that I wasn't a person because I was born through C-section...


WHAAAA - ?
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dogemperor From: [info]dogemperor Date: May 10th, 2006 12:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
You're damned straight this is part of the dominionist "parallel economy":

http://www.straightpride.com/links.php

Let's see the lovely gallery of rogues promoted:

a) Roger Hedgecock is a radio personality that, frankly, makes Rush Limbaugh look like a flaming liberal in comparison. Among other things, he's a regular apologist for dominionists in the US government, and is so anti-immigration that the Southern Poverty Law Center has expressed grave concern--he's also been to meetings with radio personalities linked to Ron "Ten Commandments" Moore (and who work at a station owned by dominionist state legislator Hank Erwin, who has proposed placing warning labels on HIV medication sold in the state warning people to "choose a better lifestyle" and who has claimed that Hurricane Katrina is divine retribution against Louisiana and Mississippi) and--even more disturbingly--frankly racist groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens. Roger Hedgecock was also a major force calling for recall in California; Hedgecock has occasionally subbed for Rush Limbaugh and almost every time he's subbed Media Matters has posted with deep concern.

b) The AFA. Known dominionists, and in fact among the most vociferously anti-LGBT (besides Fred Phelps) of any national-interest dominionist group. State affiliates have been known to promote a book, "The Pink Swastika", which claims the Nazi party was based totally within the LGBT community in Germany and that the Holocaust was entirely conducted by gay people (in fact, gay people were one of the primary *targets* of the Holocaust); thus they can be said to literally be promoting Holocaust revisionism. Other examples of *typical* statements on LGBT individuals by AFA leaders are here.

c) Family.org, homesite of Focus on the Family--probably the largest dominionist group in the country at this point. Dobson has promoted religiously motivated child abuse (including spanking infants for crying about wet diapers) and in his best-selling book documents an episode of animal abuse in the first chapter to document how children "need their wills broken". Focus on the Family is also increasingly anti-gay.

d) Family Research Council is also dominionist, is even more politically active than FotF (in fact, Family Research Council started off as a 501(c)4 split of FotF when the latter was in danger of losing their tax exempt status for electioneering) and has assisted in coordinating many political efforts of dominionists.

e) Concerned Women for America is a dominionist group led by Barbara LaHaye (wife of Tim LaHaye, most known nowadays for the "Left Behind" books--fictionalisations of the premillenial-dispensationalist concept of the "rapture" and "tribulation"). Dominionist, explicitly premillenial dispensationalist and apocalyptic, and has promoted some stances that are radical even for many conservative Christians (including the concepts of "covenant marriage", for example).

f) Rock for Life is a branch of American Life League, an extreme dominionist "pro-life" group that is also one of the primary groups in the dominionist community that is in opposition to not only abortion but practically all forms of contraception as well</a> and has promoted misinformation to women for thirty-odd years (a good recent expose is available at Talk2Action here).

So yeah, saying it's part of the dominionist shadow economy is an understatement.
miss_padfoot From: [info]miss_padfoot Date: May 10th, 2006 03:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
...Damn. That is quite a group of allies. I sort of thought it was just an annoying group of Young Republicans who thought they were being edgy.
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evil_genius From: [info]evil_genius Date: May 10th, 2006 12:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
"We are not homophobic.
We do not hate gays."
+
The entire webpage

=

"I'm not racist.
I just don't like black people."
finding_rowan From: [info]finding_rowan Date: May 10th, 2006 01:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
You beat me to it. The "We don't hate gays, we just don't want them to have the same rights as us" mentality boggles the friggin' mind.
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dogemperor From: [info]dogemperor Date: May 10th, 2006 12:28 pm (UTC) (Link)

Curiouser and curiouser

The group is certainly trying to hide their funding. A search on the shipping address (5173 Waring Rd #114, San Diego CA 92120) reveals that this may in fact simply be a private mailbag at a UPS Store (all of the references I've found online either point to this being a UPS Store--which rents mailboxes--or of companies using it as a mailbox drop; the UPS Store is a buyout of Mail Boxes Etc., and it is a popular tactic by frauds and spammers to set up a "suite" address which actually points to a Mail Boxes Etc. private-mailbag address).

I've resorted to doing whois lookups on the two sites apparently run by the group (straightpride.com and straightpridewear.com); straightpride.com is still using the UPS dropbox (identified properly as a PMB--private mailbag--thus confirming the use of the UPS Store dropbox).

Also, postal regulations now require private mailbox services to provide info on who registered them if they are used for business (as this one is)--hence, technically, one may be able to write to the UPS Store and discover who actually owns this.
somnambulicious From: [info]somnambulicious Date: May 10th, 2006 03:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curiouser and curiouser

The t-shirt image I posted in a comment above makes me wonder whether they're connected to Neo-Nazi groups. That's just too much Neo-Nazi symbolism in one image to be an accident.
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From: [info]keith_dragon Date: May 10th, 2006 12:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
Here is the link to the letter I wrote to this organization.

I hope you don't mind the link beacause it was too long to post in a reply.

Keith
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kiji_kat From: [info]kiji_kat Date: May 10th, 2006 01:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
You should send this out to Pam's House Blend at pam@pamspaulding.com. She can help get it out to a wider audience. (I'd do it myself, but this is your discovery, and you deserve the credit for finding it.)
enkinhou From: [info]enkinhou Date: May 10th, 2006 10:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

Part 1 of comment...

Thanks for the suggestion. I have sent the e-mail to her. It's a bit long, but it is as follows:

Dear Ms. Spaulding,

I am writing to inform you of a certain discovery that I have found on the Internet. The website is:

http://www.straightpridewear.com

It seems to be a small clothing company that promotes an agenda of "keeping marriage between one man and one woman". This may not be bad in and of itself, but "dogemperor" from Talk2Action (who happens to be a member of the LiveJournal community, "dark_christian", as well) did a little research and ran upon this information:


You're damned straight this is part of the dominionist "parallel economy":

http://www.straightpride.com/links.php

Let's see the lovely gallery of rogues promoted:

a) Roger Hedgecock is a radio personality that, frankly, makes Rush Limbaugh look like a flaming liberal in comparison. Among other things, he's a regular apologist for dominionists in the US government, and is so anti-immigration that the Southern Poverty Law Center has expressed grave concern--he's also been to meetings with radio personalities linked to Ron "Ten Commandments" Moore (and who work at a station owned by dominionist state legislator Hank Erwin, who has proposed placing warning labels on HIV medication sold in the state warning people to "choose a better lifestyle" and who has claimed that Hurricane Katrina is divine retribution against Louisiana and Mississippi) and--even more disturbingly--frankly racist groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens. Roger Hedgecock was also a major force calling for recall in California; Hedgecock has occasionally subbed for Rush Limbaugh and almost every time he's subbed Media Matters has posted with deep concern.

b) The AFA. Known dominionists, and in fact among the most vociferously anti-LGBT (besides Fred Phelps) of any national-interest dominionist group. State affiliates have been known to promote a book, "The Pink Swastika", which claims the Nazi party was based totally within the LGBT community in Germany and that the Holocaust was entirely conducted by gay people (in fact, gay people were one of the primary *targets* of the Holocaust); thus they can be said to literally be promoting Holocaust revisionism. Other examples of *typical* statements on LGBT individuals by AFA leaders are here.

c) Family.org, homesite of Focus on the Family--probably the largest dominionist group in the country at this point. Dobson has promoted religiously motivated child abuse (including spanking infants for crying about wet diapers) and in his best-selling book documents an episode of animal abuse in the first chapter to document how children "need their wills broken". Focus on the Family is also increasingly anti-gay.

d) Family Research Council is also dominionist, is even more politically active than FotF (in fact, Family Research Council started off as a 501(c)4 split of FotF when the latter was in danger of losing their tax exempt status for electioneering) and has assisted in coordinating many political efforts of dominionists.

e) Concerned Women for America is a dominionist group led by Barbara LaHaye (wife of Tim LaHaye, most known nowadays for the "Left Behind" books--fictionalisations of the premillenial-dispensationalist concept of the "rapture" and "tribulation"). Dominionist, explicitly premillenial dispensationalist and apocalyptic, and has promoted some stances that are radical even for many conservative Christians (including the concepts of "covenant marriage", for example).

f) Rock for Life is a branch of American Life League, an extreme dominionist "pro-life" group that is also one of the primary groups in the dominionist community that is in opposition to not only abortion but practically all forms of contraception as well</a> and has promoted misinformation to women for thirty-odd years (a good recent expose is available at Talk2Action here).

So yeah, saying it's part of the dominionist shadow economy is an understatement.

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From: [info]herupaneb Date: May 10th, 2006 01:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
If this straight pride movement wasn't about being anti-gay I wouldn't see any difference than that of the Gay pride movement... and about as pointless. While we're at it, we can have a nose pride movement! I'm proud of having a nose! Or we can have a big feet pride movement! I was born with big feet and I'm proud!

I would rather be proud of what I actually do, not what I am, like being proud of my community service, or the art I create, not where I put my sexual organs.

Hey how about a people who have sex with inanimate objects pride movement!
exotic_princess From: [info]exotic_princess Date: May 10th, 2006 02:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
My dad has made the same argument - well, why don't we have straight pride? guy pride, girl pride, etc etc etc. I said, when you can be open about who you are, without fear of retribution, then you don't need a 'pride.' When you can say "I'm gay" and not have people look askance or treat you differently, then we don't need a Pride. That's my take on it, anyway.
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akashasheiress From: [info]akashasheiress Date: May 10th, 2006 03:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
*sporfle*
miss_padfoot From: [info]miss_padfoot Date: May 10th, 2006 03:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love your icon. Where did you get it?
enkinhou From: [info]enkinhou Date: May 10th, 2006 10:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually, someone way back when made it for this community.

If I remember correctly, it was [info]squirrelarmy, who's not exactly a member of this community anymore but had made it for a friend. The creator also stated that it was free for everyone to take, hence how I got the icon. =)
squidflakes From: [info]squidflakes Date: May 10th, 2006 03:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Those theiving bastards. I made a Straight Pride flag and t-shirts years ago (a plain white box with plain black text saying "Straight Pride" in the most boring way possible) and there they come, screwing up my ideas with their "message"

Anyway, I love it when websites like this make it easy to write your congress critters, and I take full advantage of the oppertunity. Here is my modified version of their letter:

I DO NOT support the proposed Institution of Marriage Amendment, nor do I support the Federal Marriage Amendment, and I encourage you to oppose this horrible legislation as well. Both amendments define marriage as the union between a man and a woman, and I believe that neither the State nor Federal government has the right or the ultimate authority to dictate who a citizen chooses to marry.

While the Federal Marriage Amendment essentially permits marriage of same sex couples by affording partners within civil unions the rights and status of a spouse, it is not fitting with the spirit of the U.S. Constitution to withhold rights. Rather, the Constitution and Amendments guarantee legal rights and precedent, and provide a framework by which the citizens of the United States allow themselves to be governed; using this document to deny rights to a particular group of people, based on nothing more than sexual preference is abhorrent, and boarders on treason.

We do not need legislation that protects the institution of marriage, nor do we need laws that strip the rights of citizens based on a particular group's moral convictions. The United States was founded on the principals of Liberty and Justice for All, not just some. I urge you and your colleagues in Congress to oppose the Institution of Marriage Amendment.
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