loosecanon ([info]loosecanon) wrote in [info]customers_suck,
@ 2007-08-25 09:44:00
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I don't quite know how to phrase this, but I found a bad customer trying to train more people to be bad customers.

http://www.eyeflare.com/article/2007/exposing-restaurant-rip-off-tricks/


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[info]stam_broker
2007-08-25 01:54 pm UTC (link)
I respect that the blog is telling people to dispute deceptive charges, and kudos for forcing them to deal with the manager instead of harass the servers, but I think the better approach would be for the customer to inquire about extra charges before they sit down to begin with. When my wife and I are in unfamiliar restaurants we sometimes ask to see a menu before being seated (not so much for price as for food selections). That would be the time to check the fine print.

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[info]loosecanon
2007-08-25 02:00 pm UTC (link)
I agree. There is never a reason to throw a scene in public. This made me so uncomfortable I had to share, to try to give our servers and wait staff a fresh warning about these folks so they can protect themselves.

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[info]lincolnzoe
2007-08-25 02:02 pm UTC (link)
what??? Now when I go out I have to grill the server about hidden policies, charges, etc.. before I order?

those are deceptive practices. Consumers shouldn't be subject to them. and why do restaurants need "fine print"?

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[info]grunhilda
2007-08-25 02:06 pm UTC (link)
I could see his point up until the end. what an asshole. :(

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[info]raindropebykat
2007-08-25 02:19 pm UTC (link)
Honestly I view it as this... it's a business and they're trying to make money. It has become societally acceptable to scrounge money from customers however possible.
I mean hell, I charge for sauces at my work if you haven't ordered chicken nuggets/strips. And even then if you want more than a certain amount I'm supposed to charge.

So yeah, these things happen, I don't see the point of acting all shocked and offended by it.

And the tip added on purpose... I've seen that only really for parties of 6/8 or more. It depends on the restaurant.

I don't know, I think I mostly didn't like their vibe. Getting pissy over stupid things. In the end... it's just money. It's not that important. If you care so much eat at Denny's or Sharie's or IHOP and STFU about it already.

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[info]schnouzi
2007-08-25 03:08 pm UTC (link)
Just money?
Well, I don't know if you find it pleasant to be ripped off and decieved when going to a restaurant, but most people don't.

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[info]siraj
2007-08-25 07:58 pm UTC (link)
in defense of Shari's, that's some pretty good eating, for the pricing.

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[info]lincolnzoe
2007-08-25 10:34 pm UTC (link)
charging for something extra is different than hiding prices from customers.

and caring about basic economics and ethics does not mean that one should necessarily eat at Denny's or the like.

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[info]joolsmd
2007-08-25 02:26 pm UTC (link)
He only said to dispute ridiculous charges added on the bill by unscrupulous restaurants. He doesn't say to do it in restaurants that don't try and sneak money from you.

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[info]dbaxdevilsfan
2007-08-25 02:49 pm UTC (link)
Frankly, the tip being included isn't deceptive. It's a common practice in other countries. Frankly, if you're not from a country, it might behoove you to find out those kinds of things BEFORE you travel to other countries.

Adding a surcharge for using a credit card...while not common, it isn't deceptive. Some places do that. Especially if it costs them alot to process the transactions. Again, find out before going into a restaurant, especially in a foreign country.

And this: Demand the items to be taken off and while you're at it demand to be compansated for the entire meal. Why? Because no self-respecting restaurant would behave this way.

SUCKY! If the manager removes the charges, you still have to pay for your food. Only if the food was bad would I say you should eat for free.

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[info]cheezemeister_x
2007-08-25 03:51 pm UTC (link)
In Canada it's a violation of the business' merchant account agreement to add surcharges for credit card use. In other words, it's illegal. Don't know about other countries.

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(no subject) - [info]leer, 2007-08-25 10:31 pm UTC

[info]joereaves
2007-08-25 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Frankly, the tip being included isn't deceptive. It's a common practice in other countries. Frankly, if you're not from a country, it might behoove you to find out those kinds of things BEFORE you travel to other countries.

The tip being included certainly isn't common practice in the UK which since he's talking about things in London is where the article is set. Therefore it's deceptive. Usually they leave a line on the credit card slip where you can fill in a gratuity or you pay in cash and then choose to leave a tip. And in the UK 10-15% tip is normal, so an automatic tip that is at the top end of the scale is even more of a cheek. Over here while it is considered normal and polite to leave a tip it doesn't make up part of the basic wage for a server like it does in the US and it is still considered a bonus for good service rather than almost obligatory like the Americans seem to view it.

I've never come across the cover charge thing either but it should be clearly labelled.

And the price of the mint tea that he quoted is clearly deceptive and if Trading Standards were to determine that it was deliberately so the restaurant could get in trouble.

In fat I think all of those things could be reported to trading standards, especially if they say the gratuity is optional and then refuse to let you not pay it like the writer was saying.

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(no subject) - [info]sunihiroku, 2007-08-26 01:00 am UTC
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[info]dreamnestia
2007-08-25 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Other countries set the prices higher and pay the staff enough directly. So yes, you can say that the tip is included in the price, but not in the same way as a gratuity.

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I agree with one thing
[info]starliteunicorn
2007-08-25 02:51 pm UTC (link)
The 'instantly added gratuity' thing pisses me the fuck off. If it's added in, I ALWAYS contest it-especially at restaurants I'm constantly at where I leave a $10 or more tip on $20 meals (my regular places KNOW I'm a good tipper) for instance.

Demanding money out of me, despite the group, is only going to get me to cross out said gratuity (I always use my credit card and just pay it back out of the bank account when I get home-paranoia about getting robbed and all that), refigure it THEN sign it with the figured amount next to it. Most of the time after that, I leave it up to the other party members to give gratuity.

This is doubled when the person waiting on 5 or 6 of us (a big group, I'm aware) is a total and complete -cunt- when I say something along the lines of 'could I have a straw with my drink, please?'. Fuck her/him if they're being an asshole. Be nice and I'll probably tip you at LEAST 50% for being our waitress (we went to a hibachi place in June and they added the tip. $15 on a $100 bill for 8 of us-these tables are setup to be waittressed by one person, and they're ALL 8-9 seaters... so I don't feel too bad about taking a big group there. I contested it-they stopped trying to FORCE me out of money, and I left her a $45 tip).

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Re: I agree with one thing - [info]raindropebykat, 2007-08-25 08:50 pm UTC
Re: I agree with one thing - [info]starliteunicorn, 2007-08-25 09:17 pm UTC

[info]luckydragongirl
2007-08-25 03:35 pm UTC (link)
I wonder if this guy realizes the connection between people demanding free meals for trifling reasons and the extra charges? I've seen people demand a free meal because they thought the restaurant was too cold or too hot, or because they had to drive a long way to get there. I think the only acceptable reasons should be if you don't like the food, or if there's something wrong with it. If people demand free food for any old reason the restaurant is going to try to make it up someway or other. If you get extra charges, then dispute them and get them taken off, but the restaurant doesn't owe you a free meal.

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[info]noelleleithe
2007-08-25 03:38 pm UTC (link)
I agree with everything except the paragraph about causing a scene. The practices described are absolutely deceptive, and customers should protest and/or refuse to pay. (The only one that's completely the customer's responsibility is the autograt added to the bill; if you don't check your receipt before paying it, that's your lookout.)

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[info]goddessgrrrrl
2007-08-25 03:57 pm UTC (link)
At first, I was thinking, "okay, nah, the guy's got a point. Yeah, I get kinda ticked when restaurants try to gouge me like that..."

Then I got to the last paragraph.

OMG, what an arse. No, not cool at all.

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[info]indiasoup
2007-08-25 05:48 pm UTC (link)
what a douche.

"oh bloody hell, another 12 dollars to the server who already works hard and gets treated like a rag? jeez, now i can't buy myself that bottle of shampoo...poor me. how badly off i am..."

STFU and get over it.

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[info]accioveritas
2007-08-25 06:00 pm UTC (link)
I agreed with him wholeheartedly for the most part, until the end, when I saw how he tried to handle it.
If you're hungry, someone causing a scene isn't going to make you want to leave the restaurant - or me, anyway. It's just going to make me generally pissy and not a fun person to be around.

But anyway.
I do agree with him.
Obligatory tips really irk me. I understand that here in the US, that's a waiter/waitresses real wages. But as he says, I don't like being tied to tip 15% to 20% for really shitty service. Especially the tips added on to call-in, pick-up, take-out food. Why am I tipping a server or a bartender for the work that the cooks in the back have done? If anything, I should be able to walk in and tip them, in that circumstance.
The only obligatory tip I semi-understand is for a large party, because that is hard.
This being said, I always tip, so that's why it bothers me.

I can't imagine how mad I would be in a situation like the mint tea.
And I'm really glad that no restaurants in my area here have a cover charge -_-;

That isn't the way to handle his issues, though.
A calm scene can escalate to police without a huge issue, if it really has to get to that - which this really shouldn't.
But a big, loud, screaming scene is more apt to get you arrested than them.

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[info]politicking
2007-08-25 07:12 pm UTC (link)
don't MANY places say there is a gratuity added in for parties of X or more? (some places 6, some 8)... many places, ranging from cheaper diners to upscale places, do this. atleast, i thought they did lol

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[info]brigittefires
2007-08-25 11:20 pm UTC (link)
I agree that people shouldn't pay what they haven't agreed to.... but telling someone to make a scene because they themselves neglected to read the menu, or the signs outside? HOW IS THAT MY (your server's) FAULT??

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[info]optimusshr
2007-08-25 11:49 pm UTC (link)
He had it good until the causing a scene and demanding your meal be comped. You ate the food, you pay for it. Causing a scene just makes you look like an EB.

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[info]thebrettzone
2007-08-26 12:20 am UTC (link)
I was with him until he said "demand to be comped for the entire meal" and "cause a scene".

Major customer suckage.

Disputing fishy charges is fine. Being a sucky customer makes two wrongs.

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[info]volare
2007-08-26 03:24 am UTC (link)
lol, someone commented to the article that this comm "mostly missed the point". Fess up, whoever "Jack" is...

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[info]yui_hime
2007-08-26 08:55 pm UTC (link)
*ROFL AT THE COMMENT BECAUSE WTF*

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