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This is a community to share your cross stitch works with other interested people. We're also here to help with any embroidery questions you have!

The moderators for this community are [info]bekki_n, [info]cathouse_blues and [info]emohdee - please be aware that you can contact any of us by emailing bekki_n and cathouse_blues at livejournal dot com and siran underscore drauka at yahoo dot com

Although this community is dedicated to cross-stitch, please don't feel that you have to stick to cross stitch! Other types of embroidery or similar crafts are welcomed.

Please however, go to the LJ FAQ for all Livejournal questions.

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There are only a few rules here: Cut Tag any pictures, don't advertise things and don't share copyrighted material.

Pictures of your work are welcome, however I do ask that you use lj cut tags (go to the FAQ and livejournal specific tags section for help).

Don't advertise things includes advertising your auctions. If you want to advertise a community, use LJ's official page at [info]community_promo. If you'd like to organise a swap, please feel free and if you're giving stuff away, please only request payment for postage. Failure to follow these rules will result in your post being removed.

Don't share copyright material: Most, though not all, kits, charts and patterns have a statement reading something like "permission granted to copy/photocopy for personal use." "Personal use" means so you can write on it, mark it up, use highlighter, whatever – usually so you don't damage the original – but it does not mean you can give away or sell photocopies, scans, electronic files or other copies of the product for someone else's "personal use".

It's fine to post an image of the product (behind an lj-cut), or a link on where to find it, but please do not post that you will share a chart or pattern, nor links to "sharing sites". The moderators will remove such posts or comments, and those who post them will receive a warning the first time. Repeated offense will result in banning from [info]cross_stitch.

NOTE: Please be kind to your fellow members who may be under eighteen or who may read the community at work and restrict your icons to a "G" rating. If you have any question about where your icon might fall, please feel free to contact a moderator.
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If you have any questions about the community, feel free to email me, and put cross-stitch community as the subject.

If you'd like to see any of the tags used by the community, and what has been posted under them, click here

Tips!
A tip from buffalogal: Got a dimensions kit, and run out of a colour? Go to dimensions-crafts and request the colour you need. Or, if you want to convert your dimensions colours to DMC, [info]innocentxv suggests this site

From midnightsangelc: How to make a pillow for a different way of finishing your work

Thanks to [info]l8ntmthrnr: Some tips on using metallic thread, or blending filament

From [info]hanael: Framing tips

From [info]tersa: Tips on travelling with your sewing, in the US (check the comments for links to British rules) - also try Transporting Knitting Needles & Needlepoint (in the USA) located here

Thanks to [info]l8ntmthrnr: A fantastic site for all kinds of x-stitch tips is here (Thanks [info]galyndean for the updated again link)

Thanks to [info]closetblonde: Unsure what your pattern will look like on different materials? Check here to see how it'll look!
7th-Jan-2008 08:27 am
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
I've just added a new tag, as it seems like it might be useful from recent posts:

2007 finishes

I'll go back and tag most of them, but I'm at work, so I apologise if I miss any
15th-Nov-2007 07:15 am
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
At the very useful suggestion of [info]eliset, we have added a new tag!

finishing techniques

This should now be ready to use, if there are any problems, please let me know.
13th-Nov-2007 09:41 pm - Tags and Feeding the French
Wet Kitten, Pasha, Film, Mookie, Montoya, Arbor Day, Hi there, Succubus, POW, Let me 'splain, US Flag, Dreyfuss, Tools, Daisy, Trespassing, Yawn, Filing Done, Cannibal, Pickpockets, Hominid, Wishing, Leviticus, Archaeologist, Kaye, Contemplation, Toque, Hoops, Waiting Cat, Redhead Love, Trowel, Reputation, Turkey Season, Redrum, Pout, Navy, Us, Fascination, Scholar, Calico Cat, Obey Me, My Meds, God, Cat Xmas, The Dumb, Garden, Pills, Peace on Earth, Indy 500, Take Flight, Colts, Don't Shoot, Textbooks, Enjoy the silence, Rogue, Purr, Schoolhouse, Eagle, Oh bugger!, Jesus Saves, Kitten Heart, Redundancy, Red Stapler, X-Stitch Mod, Fall, Withdrawn, Soldier, Black, Creepy Barn, Snowflake, Dodge Dart, ::facepalm::, Meme, Brain Brokey, Awkward, Fuck off, Junk Hippo, Betty Crocker, Meat is Murder, Doll, The Novel, Tornado, Spanish, Angry, Steal Userpic, Knights of Ni, Homework, Skeleton, Wait what, Secretary, Right Wing, Cowbell, Thread, Polar Bears, $10 charge, Venus, Farty Towels, Happy Joy Joy, Keep your eye on her, Boobies!, Actors can't think, Squee, Sunflower, Dig Bum, Bitch, Procrastination, Help, Indiana
Questions have been raised once again about the need for a biscornu tag, given the level of current interest in that type of project. As we don't have a tag for any other kind of finishing technique, we don't feel that we as moderators should start a precedent by tagging this one.

However, have any of you thought about starting a separate biscornu community? I know there are separate communities out there for other finishes, and we think it would be a great way to concentrate all of this knowledge and ideas and enthusiasm all in one place. Please don't misunderstand: we still want and encourage you all to share any and all of your needlework projects with this community! But with a separate community you could have your own how-to tag, finishes tag, patterns tag, etc. Just a thought; be sure to let us know if you do and the name of the community so we can get it listed in the links on the sidebar immediately!!

Lessee...biscornu pincushions, biscornu earrings, biscornu paperweights, biscornu altarpieces...


OK, bad idea. But let me point out that as mods we have to keep a certain amount of order as we see fit, trying to keep things from getting completely out-of-hand, and sometimes rather confusing to keep track of for the community as a whole. What's the expression? "Keep it simple, stupid." Well, representing Stupid - who's often tired and distracted and trying to fix dinner and study for finals and you'd bloody well better put that down and quit hitting your sister - we want to keep things simple. Old tags (the MSALs) were created for one-off events and obviously haven't been used in forever. They're clutter, something we want to keep to a minimum. The parts of making a biscornu - the patterns, the assembly, the finishes - fit into existing tags, and therefore we see no need for another bit of tag clutter for a finish - especially when we do not create tags for specific finshes.
22nd-Aug-2006 09:32 am
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
Since work just started a minute ago, I don't have time to go back and find the other two posts, but I've made a tag called "icons".

Please ensure that you post in the community if you're going to post icons (rather than linking to another post), and that all icons posted are for sharing (with credit).

I really think it's nice that community members are sharing like this, and this just makes it easier.
29th-May-2006 10:38 am
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
I've had some requests for a couple new tags, so here they are!

travel - to be used for tips on travelling with stitchy stuff
stash - obviously for pics of your stash :P
30th-Jan-2006 09:44 pm
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
I've updated the layout, and am pretty happy with the colours :) Please keep an eye on the links, and the community info page, as there's always useful links in both places!

There's also tags listed on every page of the community, so please check out any that might apply to questions you have!

Also - i've fiiinally gotten around to removing floss conversions, and just having floss conversion as a tag.
20th-Jan-2006 11:50 am
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
I've added a couple more tags (and will add more soon, I've been ill the last week though, so not up for much yet).

MSAL - for general discussions on Mystery Stitch-A-Longs
MSAL1 - this is for the first Mystery Stitch-A-Long, which will be run by [info]litlaskvis

I will be adding to the MSAL numbers later, but I'd really prefer if only one is run at a time. I'll see how things go, we could run more at once, but for now I'd like just one in the community at a time.

That said, I've also added two more tags:
SAL - for general discussions on Stitch-a-longs
SAL1 - for the first Stitch a long where everyone knows what the piece is before hand. This one hasn't been decided on yet, so whoever gets in there first gets to organise the stitch a long. As with before, i'd prefer to just have one stitchalong at a time (so one SAL and one MSAL at once), so please be considerate if you want to run this stitchalong, and remember that it will probably be a lot of work.

Edit: Rules for the SAL -

1. It has to be a freebie from the internet.
2. The person who stitches it up fastest and posts a picture gets to pick next months SAL.
3. Be creative. You don't have to stick to the colors/fabric/charms/beads that the freebie is suggesting.
4. The design can not be more than 70 x 70 stitches.

These rules are from [info]litlaskvis, and I think they're both the fairest and smartest way to go about the SAL's
6th-Jan-2006 12:15 pm
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
Just an update on the tags. The ones we have are...

chart errors
equipment
finished piece
floss conversion
floss conversions (oops, but I'll sort that out one day)
free charts
how to
intros
online stores
poll
recommendations
sbq (stitchers blog questions)
stores
tags
to-do list (which i could rename to goals, if people would prefer)
wip
5th-Jan-2006 08:51 pm - New Tag?
thoughtful, me, camera
How about making a new tag for the community for 2006 goals?
That way it would be easier for us to find these goals at the end of the year when we check up on how we did with the goals? :o)

I am making my list, will post it soon!

**edit**

Oh I saw that there is a to-do list tag, so I guess that is all we need! LOL!
Sorry guys!
31st-Dec-2005 05:26 pm
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
I've just added another tag, called poll. I always find poll results interesting, so this might make it easier to find them
31st-Jul-2005 08:55 am - Help!
pink, BW-UK, doonesbury, Family, Looking, christmas, Colour-UK, RT, grammar, Trek, disguise, canada
Sorry if I'm being thick, but is there a list anywhere of which tags are available in this community? And is there any way of filtering on a tag without first having to find a post that uses that tag?

thanks heaps!
21st-Jul-2005 12:53 pm
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
4 more tags, because we use these sorts of things fairly often:

floss conversions
Stores
online stores


I think they're self explanatory!

I don't want any advertisements for stores, but if you go to one that's fantastic (or, more importantly, horrible), or you want opinions of stores, or to know what's nearby, definitely post about it.

Ooooh, and chart errors which I'd *added*, but forgot to mention :P
20th-Jul-2005 03:24 pm - New Tags
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
I've added another couple of tags for the community:

chart errors - have you seen an error on a chart, and know what it should be? Or need someone to tell you what it should be? use this tag so people can look it up later on! (Probably include a subject with the chart name, to make it useful)

equipment - use this if you want to discuss the pros and cons of different types of equipment, or ask how others look after their equipment, etc.

tags - I put this one in so that you can find posts like this, describing what tags we have!

I'm thinking that subjects would be a good idea on any post that you tag, as it would make it easier to find later.
17th-Jul-2005 06:09 pm
what if?, gg - about time, Moonlight - Mick eyeroll, ff - Can't take the sky, ff - River, HH - Victory in 08, Dark Tower, heroes - Hiro woohoo, sunflower, drama llama, spike, smirky trip, SG:A Wraith Michael, ff - River dance, WGA, gg - looking for a way, daas, vm - xmas, squee, hello cthulhu, popcorn, Moonlight - uuh - no, tg - grin, ff - Kaylee, CS - modhat, BSG - Kara, Rudd's Flist, showtime, gg - Famine..., cute couple, CS - bekki modhat, longing, kill once, Rogue Traders - Natalie, awkward much?, comforting, HH - I <3 Hawks, online, gg - ooooh, gg - dream, RW - sitting, sexy, Kevin 07, get me off, oscar, HH - joy of winning, SG1 - innuendo, ff - Albatross, tg - shutup teeth, curious, tw - ty/sully friends, Rogue Traders - Drummer, grumpy trip, kill something, not in the mood, workout, thoughtful, sad, DW - David Tennant, gg - Girl talk, pansy, ST: This better be important, gg - Stand still, gg - home, bored now, HH - Brothers in Arms, sexy trip, GG - luke/lorelai snow, tired, Moonlight - Mick post kiss smile, bouncy, angels fall, cuddly, hate ocean, lotus flower, happy, tg - ooops, smiling spike
Having only just realised today that I need to add tags if people want to use them in the community, I've added the following tags:

finished piece
wip
free charts
how to

Please let me know if there's any others I should add. I don't really want to have 50,000,000 different tags, so I'll try to keep it simple.
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