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  • Jun. 21st, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Hello world!

I am a new member of the community and this is my first post but I have been lurking for some time.  I really love all of the great ideas floating around out there, kudos to all!

As I lurk, however, I have noticed a troubling trend.  I hope some will back me up when I say that any food community should address the issue of healthy food choices.  I understand from the community profile that most posters are from the US, where obesity is nothing less than an epidemic.  As such, I am trying to radically change my own food choices to be more health conscious, and have made it a personal mission to encourage others to join me.

That said, I have a respectful and humble request of community members.  Please do post any and every great recipe idea you have, far be it from me to judge.  However, as a nod to the need for health-conscious reform, could we put those "less than healthy" recipes behind a cut?  It will be a good reference tool for those of us trying to discipline ourselves!

While I'm at it, some great healthy food references:

http://www.helpguide.org/life/healthy_eating_diet.htm
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/lf_health/

/only a respectful request
//still loves cookies

ETA:  GET A LIFE PEOPLE!!!

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[info]obfuscate wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:51 am (UTC)
You're kidding, right?

Okay, I know you're not.

So... no.
[info]changeopresto wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:57 am (UTC)
I'm not kidding, and that's fine, like I said just a respectful request.
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[info]journalismgirl wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:51 am (UTC)
[devil's advocate]

Who is to judge what is healthy and what is unhealthy? If one is to argue that all things in moderation is better than low-fat, processed, starve yourself food, what becomes healthy or unhealthy?

Why do we need the food police in a cooking community?

[/devil's advocate]
[info]changeopresto wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:58 am (UTC)
Not the food police, just a communal goal of healthy lifestyles.

And no more advocating for the Devil! :)
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[info]ninaf wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:52 am (UTC)
Wow... I am not sure what to say but wow.
[info]indigodye wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:13 am (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing.

That and entitlement.
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[info]lovelickhump wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:54 am (UTC)
:|

You're a special soul.
[info]chantix_dreams wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:39 am (UTC)
I thought you wrote "you're a special slut"

I need glasses, yet not having them entertains me.
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[info]kajicarter wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:55 am (UTC)
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[info]ladyartemisa wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:55 am (UTC)
is someone putting a gun to your head to make these foods?
[info]changeopresto wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:00 am (UTC)
That's really not what I was trying to say. I just thought as a community we could show a commitment to healthy choices. But Like I keep saying, just a respectful request.
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[info]jabre wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:56 am (UTC)
if people have to hide stuff from you and hold your hand to make sure you don't eat an entire sheet cake in 5 minutes, you aren't practicing self-discipline. Duh?
[info]silverrain1139 wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:57 am (UTC)
I understand where he/she is coming from but I think journalismgirl is right. America in general needs moderation. I love Oreos but I don't need to eat a whole row of them. So we'll continue to post delicious treats and you can not eat them.
[info]chaeri wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:41 pm (UTC)
right. the irony is that the 'health foods' in america actually contribute to the obesity epidemic by being full of salt, aspartame and similar, HFCS and preservatives.
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[info]griffen wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 01:57 am (UTC)
No, I won't.

If you don't want to see these horrible, unhealthy food choices other people are making, you can unsubscribe.
[info]changeopresto wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:01 am (UTC)
I didnt say anything about horrible. Try not to take it so personally.
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[info]noelleleithe wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:02 am (UTC)
Respectfully ...
If you want a healthy-eating-only community, either find one or start one.

:)
[info]dragons_angel wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:24 am (UTC)
Re: Respectfully ...
You beat me to it.
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[info]littlewings04 wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:08 am (UTC)
What falls in your definition of "healthy"? What caloric count per serving is okay to not be behind a cut? How about fat? Does it have to be organic, too? Or free from artificial dyes or other ingredients? Should we cut recipes with meat to avoid offending the vegetarians? Or recipes with cheese to avoid offending vegans? Or recipes with pork to avoid offending kosher Jews?

Slippery slope. Welcome to it. Expecting a community to police itself to maintain what you feel is a "healthy" atmosphere when the described mission of the community is cooking--not the absence of healthy--is beyond ridiculous, and I hope you're prepared for the amount of flak you're about to get for such an asinine request.

On a personal note, you can enjoy your healthy food crusade. But I really don't want you telling me what I can and can't post without a cut here when you're not a mod, and your choices aren't my choices. You have a scroll button. Try using that instead of expecting this community to police itself to suit your personal dietary mission.
[info]changeopresto wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:13 am (UTC)
I think healthy and unhealthy are easier to recognize and differentiate than you suggest.
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[info]frkyjenn wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:09 am (UTC)
I had no idea reading all those unhealthy recipes is the reason I'm fat..

And all this time I thought it was because I was lazy and ate way to much!
[info]rintheamazing wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:12 am (UTC)
Apparently, you are what you read. I guess I've been doing it wrong all this time.
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[info]chrit wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:11 am (UTC)
With all due respect, with community rules such as the ones you've outlined above, I would opt out of the community. What is considered "healthy" is a very subjective term. While I may indulge myself in the occasional piece of pizza or may not always pass on dessert -- I don't consider myself an unhealthy eater. I consider myself someone who feasts on variety and moderates myself in what I eat. I don't feel I need others to moderate those things for me. If I did, I would look for other communities for that sort of support. That said, I respect your opinion and do understand where you're coming from. I just personally feel that it is up to each individual to take responsibility for themselves in what they put into their own body. Just my opinion...
[info]changeopresto wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:15 am (UTC)
A fair response.
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[info]supermouse wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:12 am (UTC)
I dislike this idea intensely. For one thing, I count any recipe in as 'unhealthy', and a recipe with all natural ingredients which may include butter or cream as 'healthy'. Others might feel the opposite. It's subjective. There are overall guidelines for diet, but these are a broad brush and don't cover individual dishes.

A chocolate mousse can be a source of iron, cholesterol, protein, vitamin K, vitamin A and vitamin D, plus an antioxidant. Is it healthy? Or not?

...And someone already said this in other words, so count this as just another 'no' vote.
[info]kayre wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:13 am (UTC)
Virtually any recipe is healthy if eaten in appropriate amounts.

Maybe you should check out some other communities, rather than trying to change this one.
[info]changeopresto wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:14 am (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in replying to you. I was too busy chowing down on this appropriate amount of bird poop and arsenic stew.
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[info]amandavanessa wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:19 am (UTC)
EAT HEALTHY OR ELSE
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[info]frkyjenn wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)
Re: EAT HEALTHY OR ELSE
Rude!

You promised to never post my picture!
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[info]sojournscoffe wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:25 am (UTC)
FOOD WAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNKKKK
I think you need just skip over it if you don't want to read it unless there is a monkey there with a gun to you head saying read it bitch
[info]kageneko wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:26 am (UTC)
This is the [info]cooking community... not [info]healthy_cooking or anything of the sort. Why should others have to censor their posts just for your delicate sensibilities?

If you want to expose yourself to only healthy foods, go join an appropriate community or start your own.

The US also has a sad trend of people not taking responsibility for their own actions or choices and expecting others to protect them from themselves. Let's work on THAT one first. You show a little self-control and let others post what they want instead of trying to expect them to kowtow to your demands.

Unless this is your community, you don't make the rules.

Edited at 2008-06-22 02:29 am (UTC)
[info]surelle wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:34 am (UTC)
The US also has a sad trend of people not taking responsibility for their own actions or choices and expecting others to protect them from themselves. Let's work on THAT one first.

Yes!!
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[info]surelle wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:33 am (UTC)
Gluten is extremely unhealthy for me; not so for others. I deal with it. :)
[info]paksenarrion2 wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 03:02 am (UTC)
By whining when people post pictures of fresh baked bread? Well only if you were the OP.

I bet you are one of those *gasp* people that take responsibility for what they choose to eat and don't think that we all have to pander to one person's desires. *tsk* *tsk* They are going to kick you out of the special snowflake union you know.

and since some people don't have a sense of humor (not you specifically) let me insert the disclaimer that I am one that tries to eat healthy but does indulge in "not healthy" choices from time to time.
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[info]posthaste wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:34 am (UTC)
please don't feed the troll.
[info]rintheamazing wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:41 am (UTC)
Does it matter whether we feed the troll healthy or unhealthy foods?
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[info]derbysinner wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:35 am (UTC)
you know, I don't really like salmon, I wonder if I could get everyone who posts salmon recipes to put them behind a cut so I don't have to look at them... because if I see them, I might be tempted to cook them, then I'd remember how I don't like salmon and then I'd be out the money I spent on the food and I'd have nothing for dinner.




[info]tudorpot wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:43 am (UTC)
and, I really find cat icons offensive.....
[info]penguindreamz wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:37 am (UTC)
You sound fat.
[info]helena_w wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 05:17 am (UTC)
HAHAHHAHAHAHAH
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[info]chantix_dreams wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:39 am (UTC)
This is hysterical.

I did not know you could get fat from looking at a screen. This explains a lot.
[info]tudorpot wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:40 am (UTC)
by the way -Julia Child, a famous American chef- used BUTTER- no cut- and lived until her 90's. Jim Fix, lived ran a 10 miles a day- he died before he was 40. and more
There are so many stories providing conflicting evidence. On one hand, you have people like Bette Davis who smoked five packs of cigarettes a day, washed them down with a fifth of whiskey, and ate whatever she wanted. She lived well into her 80's. On the other hand, there are people like Jim Fix who ran 10 miles everyday, yet collapsed in the street dead from a heart attack in his 30's or Ewell Gibbons who proclaimed that many parts of a pine tree are edible and encouraged us to eat Grape Nuts. He died of malnutrition. The single aspect of diet appears to have little bearing in these three lives, except for Gibbons, who may have taken the vegetarian "thing" a bit too far.http://denver.yourhub.com/Denver/Stories/News/Society/Story~474124.aspx
[info]griffen wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:49 am (UTC)
Yep. Not to mention the numerous scientific findings that overweight people actually live longer than skinny people and have fewer health problems, and that much of the correlation between certain health problems and weight is not caused by being fat, but rather because the health problems cause people to be fat.

I hope that in a hundred years people will look back on this fad-diet trend of the last half-century as something which is as ridiculous as bloodletting.
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[info]paksenarrion2 wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 02:43 am (UTC)
You should totes try [info]trashy_eats if you want unhealthy cooking.
[info]surelle wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2008 03:47 am (UTC)
You are responsible for my spending the last hour reading that community!!
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