conservatism: Calling all Conservatives

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404) wrote in

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@ 2008-01-29 21:44:00

Calling all Conservatives
Poll #1129702
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

To all true conservative Republicans, if John McCain is the nomination for 2008 would you vote for him?

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Yes, he is the best candidate left in the field!
7 (10.3%)

Yes, he might have some points of contention, but he is pragmatic enough to work with the whole party
10 (14.7%)

Yes, I even though I would have to hold my nose while pulling the lever
4 (5.9%)

Yes, a liberal Republican is better than a Democrat
13 (19.1%)

I would have to think about it before voting
7 (10.3%)

No, another RINO is not what conservatives should be voting for
9 (13.2%)

I will vote third party for this election, and hope that the Republicans learn from their mistakes of acting like Democrats for the last eight years
18 (26.5%)

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	kylebee 2008-01-30 02:49 am UTC (link)
	No, obviously. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	vnsplshr 2008-01-30 03:50 am UTC (link)
	Where does your vote go, then? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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annemarie
2008-01-30 03:03 am UTC (link)

Fred Thompson was my first choice.

That being said, I'm really getting sick and tired of people saying McCain isn't a conservative. Fred Thompson had an 86% rating with the American Conservative Union and everyone said he was the true conservative in the race. For God's sake people, McCain has an 83% rating. That makes him one of the most conservative members in the Senate.

It is becoming much clearer to me everyday why radio guys like Rush and Hannity don't like McCain. They know he can win when they truly want Hillary to win. Hillary in the White House would provide four years of fodder for Rush and Sean regardless of how badly she messes up the country.

Can we as conservatives really trust Romney? Can we voter for a pro-choice candidate like Guiliani? Huckabee would be ok as a running mate but I think his campaign is about to run out of steam.

McCain is a man of conviction and courage. It would have been easy for him to have voted differently on some of the things we disagree about but he voted his conscience. We had eight years of someone in the White House in the 90's who ran the government according to the polls. We are finishing 8 years with a President who told us he was a compassionate conservative but who wouldn't veto a single spending bill until the Democrats took Congress. I for one, honestly believe McCain is much more of a conservative than George Bush ever tried to be.

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	McCain's convictions russj 2008-01-30 03:45 am UTC (link)
	He has convictions alright--Democratic ones like: "campaign reform" that ignores the bill of rights "immigration reform" that give amnesty to illegals Why do you think that the mainstream-liberal-leftist media likes McCain? Why is Hillary Clinton so "comfortable" with McCain? Because he thinks like they do! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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badlydrawnjeff
2008-01-30 03:59 am UTC (link)

This is where those ratings are flawed - McCain's sketchy judicial nominee record (including his disputed statements this week), his economic stupidity, and that goddamn campaign finance bill alone put some VERY heavy doubt in my mind about his ability to govern period, let alone from a conservative standpoint.

Do I admire him as a human being? Absolutely. Is he "Presidential?" Yup. Is he nothing but trouble in ways that Bush could only dream of being? Pretty much.

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the_lance, 2008-01-30 10:02 pm UTC

	ACU is bullshit. kylebee 2008-01-30 04:15 am UTC (link)
	http://www.conservative.org/archive2/House_standout.asp Ron Paul isn't on the best and brightest list and in fact ranks about the same as McCain. That is absurd. People are confusing conservatism with neo-conservatism. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	hey_its_michael 2008-01-30 03:13 am UTC (link)
	He's a liberal Republican? Wow, OK. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	sergeantbrother 2008-01-30 03:18 am UTC (link)
	I despise McCain. I don't know if "liberal" or "moderate" Republican are the best words for him. As far as I'm concerned he represents everything that I hate about the Republican party and he rejects everything that I like about the Republican party. I'm a long time staunch conservative and I'd much rather see a Democrat win the presidency than John McCain. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	danecast 2008-01-30 03:17 am UTC (link)
	John McCain's a wonderful man. I'm 85% caucusing for him on Tuesday. It's between him and Romney. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	russj 2008-01-30 03:40 am UTC (link)
	Then you need to read this: http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/romney_mccain/2008/01/21/66131.html (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	not to pull a chuck norris..but, hwy360 2008-01-30 03:28 am UTC (link)
	what's the word on who he will pick as running mate? i mean..it is likely he will drop dead sometime during his term (if he is elected)...he's old.. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: not to pull a chuck norris..but, darthbeckman 2008-01-30 05:49 am UTC (link)
	Chuck Norris doesn't go negative in political campaigns; he reverses the polarity of the universe. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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melvin_udall
2008-01-30 03:49 am UTC (link)

Heard this on the radio tonight...

McCain: "He [Michael Graham] also mentioned my abridgment of First Amendment rights, i.e. talking about campaign finance reform [McCain-Feingold]....I know that money corrupts....I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I’d rather have the clean government."

His ineffectual legislation is more important than the 1st Amendment. His "good intentions" are more important than free political speech, despite the actual results.

I might just vote Obama if he gets the nomination. Fuck the Republicans and then some if they choose that guy. "Maybe we need a Carter to get a Reagan."

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	ellie_kay 2008-01-30 03:50 am UTC (link)
	exaaaaaaactly. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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iposty
2008-01-30 03:55 am UTC (link)

I think McCain is 3rd or so on my list of GOP candidates.. heck.. even Paul is starting to look better - and THAT should scare anyone..

However if faced with McCain vs. Obama/Clinton/Whomever.. I'd vote for him simply because voting 3rd party is throwing away your vote and will likely ensure a Democrat for a President.. to nominate new Supreme Court justices.. and make a bigger mess in Iraq/Afghanistan. (seriously..they will)

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	melvin_udall 2008-01-30 04:16 am UTC (link)
	Putting something in the "other" category is not necessarily throwing away your vote. There comes a time when a message must be sent to our representatives that they've gone too far. We went from Reagan to Bush to W Bush. And now McCain? How bad must it get before it's too much? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	iposty 2008-01-30 03:55 am UTC (link)
	and I love your Mau/Meow icon.. lol (Reply to this) (Thread)

	404 2008-01-30 10:05 pm UTC (link)
	I'm glad someone does! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Inaccuracy in your poll... kylebee 2008-01-30 04:18 am UTC (link)
	Yes, he might have some points of contention, but he is pragmatic enough to work with the whole party This isn't republicans. This is conservatism. "Calling all conservatives" is not analogous to "calling all Republicans." (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Inaccuracy in your poll... iposty 2008-01-30 12:36 pm UTC (link)
	exactly.. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	would you vote for him? justgoto 2008-01-30 05:15 am UTC (link)
	I want Bill as first lady, that would be too cool! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: would you vote for him? squidb0i 2008-01-30 06:16 am UTC (link)
	Only if he wears a little skirtsuit like Jackie Kennedy would have worn.. (Reply to this) (Parent)

heirtoruin
2008-01-30 05:31 am UTC (link)

Since Thompson dropped out, my vote goes to Paul.

In the general election, I'd consider Romney if he is the nominee or Obama if he is up against one of the other republicans I dislike more.

Where I'm concerned, a tax increase spells a pay increase and increased research funding as well as teacher pay likely. It's a catch-22 where my family is concerned as we live off taxpayer money. I just try to make the most of it and do the best I can.

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	paraffinman 2008-01-30 10:21 pm UTC (link)
	Interesting. I wouldn't have thought that a federal tax increase would change pay for teachers very much as that is largely controlled at the state and local level. Is Obama proposing something specific? (Reply to this) (Parent)

daemon_czar
2008-01-30 05:38 am UTC (link)

What do you want me to say?

Maybe if we had a Republican congress I could be persuaded to vote third party, but handing over two branches of government and leaving the third as a mixed bag just doesn't jive well with me.

If it has to be done, then it has to be done. McCain is serious about fighting radical Islam, he says he will veto pork, he says he will appoint constructionist judges, and he says he has learned from McCain-Kennedy. Skepticism is acceptable when given the alternatives.

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	heirtoruin 2008-01-30 04:16 pm UTC (link)
	he says he will veto pork I'll believe it when I see it. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	darthbeckman 2008-01-30 05:50 am UTC (link)
	Probably not. McCain would give us a more intense, less sane version of Bushism. (Reply to this)

warrioreowyn
2008-01-30 05:54 am UTC (link)

Honestly, of the options available, what do you guys WANT?! You hate Huckabee and you hate McCain, and they're both, from their platforms at least, die-hard conservative with typical Republican positions on the war, the economy, guns, abortion, gay marriage, et cetera.

I can't believe you want Romney. The man's trying to present himself as GWB 2.0. He's a phony, a panderer, and all his positions sound like they were written by interest groups and lobbyists of various types.

I don't agree with any of the Republican candidates on much, but I can at least respect McCain for having a few convictions.

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darthbeckman
2008-01-30 06:01 am UTC (link)

McCain's positions on illegal immigration alone disqualify him from my serious consideration. Plus his campaign finance reform has seriously damaged the political process. Huckabee's "Fair Tax" would fall on the poor and middle class the hardest, and he is unacceptable ignorant of foreign policy. I agree with you that McCain has strong convictions. I admire and respect him very much as a human being. But our policy disagreements are too wide. As I've said elsewhere, both McCain and Huckabee would be true successors to George W. Bush, the former on foreign policy, the latter on domestic policy. And that's why I can't support either one.

I agree with you on Mitt Romney; he's as phony as a three dollar bill.

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	squidb0i 2008-01-30 06:13 am UTC (link)
	Actually, it's been twelve years of Republican rule in Congress. Not eight. Twelve. Old enough to go start puberty. So. At what point are they no longer 'acting like Democrats', and instead 'acting like a once great political party that's been taken over by mercantilist and theocratic special interests, leaving it a parody of its former self'? (Reply to this) (Thread)

sergeantbrother
2008-01-30 06:46 am UTC (link)

At what point are they no longer 'acting like Democrats', and instead 'acting like a once great political party that's been taken over by mercantilist and theocratic special interests, leaving it a parody of its former self'?

Entirely valid point. Which is why I wouldn't be too upset for the Republicans to suffer a major defeat, it might be the only thing that can cause the party to seriously change.

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	rillifane 2008-01-30 06:53 am UTC (link)
	Despite the hype its very likely Hillary who takes the Democrat nomination. I'd vote for Donald Duck before I'd vote for Hillary. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	chairmanmeowww 2008-01-30 08:09 am UTC (link)
	Donald/Daffy 08. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	themeshuggener 2008-01-30 02:01 pm UTC (link)
	If McCain gets the nod against Obama, I'm voting Obama. If it's against Clinton, then I'll leave that section blank. He's not getting my vote. Ever. (Reply to this)

	radagast14 2008-01-30 02:58 pm UTC (link)
	There's only one scenario in which I could see myself voting for McCain. He'd better have one hell of a VP running with him. Who the Democrats put up doesn't factor into my decision at all. In all likelihood, I would just leave that race blank. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	verytwistedmind 2008-01-30 09:15 pm UTC (link)
	So you're betting on him dying? Interesting I never gave that thought. He is old... (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	piers_styx 2008-01-30 09:39 pm UTC (link)
	The results of this poll reflect Florida to a perfect "T". McCain won because he got the Hispanic/Cuban vote really big. But in the "conservative" vote, Romney pissed all over him. So the question is how many "true conservatives" still exist in teh Republican Party nation wide? (Reply to this)

	nemomori 2008-01-30 09:44 pm UTC (link)
	I want to see McCain Lieberman just for comedy value. :) (Reply to this)

	Interesting poll results telemann 2008-01-31 12:00 am UTC (link)
	1/3 of self identified conservatives in this community would essentially throw away their vote for a third party candidate, essentially giving the election to the Democrats. It's 2000 deja vu, very coolio indeed! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Interesting poll results telemann 2008-01-31 12:02 am UTC (link)
	Er I mean, the 2000 comparsion: where a core group within the party bolt to vote for a 3rd party candidate that holds their views more closely, in 2000, Ralph Nader cost the Democrats the election by shaving off enough votes to give Florida to Bush. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)