Strong, and wise, and you are love ([info]justjay) wrote in [info]cockatiels,
@ 2005-03-03 20:32:00
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Current mood: sad
Current music:Travis - Flowers in the Window

Finally, I find a bird community with intelligent, helpful people.
Hi there, I'm owned by a 1.5-year-old female cinnamon tiel (Cinnabun), and 3 bossy budgies (Beep, Bic, and Miko).
(Small picture of my Cinna and her human, here)

I've had Cinna since October of '04. On my birthday, my best friends blindfolded me and walked me to a shop in town sells only birds.. and I loved this little girl immediately.
Since our day one, she always calls to me when I'm around, or calls to my mother.. She sits on my shoulder or on my desk while I'm doing homework (grueling, grueling double major) .. but as of late, I haven't been around enough.
In the mornings (around 6am) I move her from her spot in my room where she sleeps, to out in the common room near the big cage with the budgies. I often don't get home this semestre until 9 or so, and by the time I take her out of her cage, she. is. a. lunatic. *out of her mind* ... circles the room, calling frantically, won't let me pick her up and hold her, won't let me scritch her, won't stay on my shoulder.
I feel *so badly.*

And now, she hardly chirps at all. She halfheartedly plays with the toys in her cage, but she seems so depressed. She still eats, etc etc. Sometimes if i take her out, she'll fly around a bit and then sit atop her cage. She'll call a bit when she hears my keys in the door, or when I first come in. . . but she's getting more and more silent.

Can you guys think of anything I can do to make my little one happy again? This is really tearing me to pieces.




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[info]snusnubird
2005-03-04 03:32 am UTC (link)
Is there no one else who can take her out of her cage, like your mom? Does she have a mirror? Maybe you could get a second tiel to accompany her. Or.. leave music/television/recording of your voice playing when you are not around.

How dark is it by the time you get home? Are you sure she doesn't fall asleep by then, and when you come home you startle her, therefore causing the lunatic behaviour?

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[info]snusnubird
2005-03-04 03:32 am UTC (link)
Oh.. and goodluck, welcome to the community, and thats a beautiful birdie!

~*AnNa*~

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[info]beeform
2005-03-04 04:34 am UTC (link)
What a cutie!!!

You might consider leaving some sort of background noise on (radio or tv). We did this with our first bird and it seemed to help. I've read somewhere that silence means danger to tiels (since silence in the wild normally means a predator is near), so long periods of quiet may be stressing her out.

We ended up getting a second tiel (and then a third *grin*) to keep ours company. :-)

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[info]teechers_pet
2005-03-04 05:03 am UTC (link)
You two are adorable! Welcome! It sounds like Cinna may not be getting enough sleep. My 'tiel acted in a very similar way when I wasn't getting him enough rest. Ever since I've given him his twelve hours of undisturbed, covered slee every night his behavior has practically reversed!

I also agree with beeform and snusnubird, background noise is good, I would maybe leave the tv on or play a cd for her. Elvis really likes Paul Simon.

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[info]ltdead
2005-03-04 06:25 am UTC (link)
Yes, but if `letting the bird get more sleep` translates into `putting him into bed just after justjay gets home`... She would get even less attention, which would be no good. I mean, Justjay is gone from... what... 7AM to 9PM? It`s impossible for her to impose 12 hours of sleep, and if she tried Cinna would get NO attention at all.

Honestly, my birds only get 8 hours of sleep, and then they catch naps when they want to. They do fine with it. I would consider making sure Cinna gets some attention to be more important then 12 hrs sleep.
But if there`s someone around to uncover Cinna`s cage later in the day and move her into the other room with the budgies, then it`s certainly worth a try...

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[info]teechers_pet
2005-03-04 06:36 am UTC (link)
Any book on cockatiels that you may pick up will say cockatiels require 10-12 hours of undisturbed rest for optimum health

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[info]ltdead
2005-03-04 05:02 pm UTC (link)
Yes, but what good does it do if the bird never gets any attention at all? Even Sally Blanchard agrees. She only recommend 12 hours of sleep to help solve behavior problems IF it fits with the owner`s schedule. The birds can adapt, really the can. And it`s much better than a bird that never gets any attention from its owners.

My guys often don`t get tired until about 1AM. We just stay up together and play.

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[info]roguesamus
2005-03-04 05:42 am UTC (link)
I agree with the background music, sometimes my Jack likes to hear NPR, because of the people talking, it sounds like he is around other people. Can Cinna see the budgies all day? Jack likes to chat with our budgies when we aren't home. And yes, I too ended up getting another tiel for company .. and another ... and another!!
Maybe you could reward her with a treat when you get home, like some cheerios or some fruit?
Good luck, she is a sweetie!

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[info]justjay
2005-03-04 10:50 am UTC (link)
I hadn't thought of giving her a treat when I get back, now THAT is something I can implement immediately. She likes little slices of bell pepper, and .. cookies. In fact, the last time I made cookies (before my odd hours) she dragged a cookie from the plate, across the counter, to her cage. The cookie was nearly as big as her.

CInna and the budgies get NPR all day, and/or jazz... So there is background noise constantly. And her cage is usually about a foot from the budgies' cage.

How many tiels do you have?

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[info]roguesamus
2005-03-04 11:23 am UTC (link)
I ended up with four, I adopted a mated pair for Jack to talk to all day, and they ended up making some babies (I totally didn't encourage it, they started before I had adopted them - and no more for them!), one of which I kept as well. So mom and dad (Dirty Bird and Zazu) and baby girl Peepopo are in their own cage, and Jack is in his cage, right next to them. They sing and whistle back and forth all the time!
That is hilarious about birdie cookies!
I hope the treats work for you, that may be just the thing to calm her down and have her look forward to your return.
A mirror might also be something simple to consider, as
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I ended up with four, I adopted a mated pair for Jack to talk to all day, and they ended up making some babies (I totally didn't encourage it, they started before I had adopted them - and no more for them!), one of which I kept as well. So mom and dad (Dirty Bird and Zazu) and baby girl Peepopo are in their own cage, and Jack is in his cage, right next to them. They sing and whistle back and forth all the time!
That is hilarious about birdie cookies!
I hope the treats work for you, that may be just the thing to calm her down and have her look forward to your return.
A mirror might also be something simple to consider, as <ljuser="saskia139"> suggested, it helped Jackie out a bit with his loneliness until his "cousins" moved in.

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[info]saskia139
2005-03-04 06:01 am UTC (link)
Cockatiels are like potato chips, you know... we had no plans for a second tiel, but when we heard from a friend that a young woman was leaving the country for six months and needed someone to care for her tiel, we took her in... and wound up keeping her permanently.

Which is as much as to say, I agree with most of the suggestions above: radio is good, a mirror might help, access to the budgies so they can chat, and you'll probably wind up getting another tiel at some point. (And is that a saxophone in your icon?)

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[info]justjay
2005-03-04 10:47 am UTC (link)
Her cage is riiiight near that of the budgies, and they're loud. Their cages have been in close proximity since day one. I do want a second bird, but I don't want breed her, so a male is out of the question (although I do want a male, as soon as I can get another cage.) I heard that females together can get crazy territorial.
Radio is on all day, as I am a news addict (NPR) and am also a jazz freak.

And yes, that is a sax. An odd little curved soprano I had to play in a Christmas gig. I took the picture because .. well, I'm about 6'3" and that soprano looks like a toy, hanging around my neck.
*grin*

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[info]ltdead
2005-03-04 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Actually, a cockatiel of either sex would make a great companion for Cinna. Cockatiels aren`t as territorial as other birds, and I`ve seen plenty of situations where people have kept females together (though I personally have more experience with keeping males together). It`s also possible to keep a male-female pair together without any breeding. Piper and Kia have been living with each other for over a year and a half (I would suspect more like 2 or 3 years, but I`m unclear on their history) and they`ve yet to lay a single egg. If an egg was laid, I would either replace it with a dummy egg or freeze it for 24 hours, mark it, and put it back where I found it. That way, no unwanted babies. But as long as I avoid giving them certain hints/clues that get them into breeding mode (such as dark enclosed places) I don`t expect to ever find an egg in their cage. I`m lucky, of course, that Kia isn`t a prolific egg layer. But even if your bird did lay eggs, doesn`t mean you have to let them hatch.

Keep in mind that you`d have to quarantine the new bird first, and introduce them slowly in a `neutral space` (somewhere Cinna doesn`t believe she OWNS, and where they can`t see their cages). So you will need another cage for at least a month for the quarantine, if you get another cockatiel. If they get along after several introduction sessions you can rearrange one of the cages and try housing them in it together.

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[info]ryayukou
2005-03-04 06:03 am UTC (link)
First of all, welcome to the community! I LOVE your bird, I have a cinnamon too.

I had a similar problem with my boy, Thaddeus; when I got him, I was about 13, and since my siblings and I were homeschooled, we were constantly coming and going to our classes, and he got to see us all. But soon we all graduated, and since we're not home for days at a time, he gets lonely sometimes. I got him a girlfriend, and I've also been playing something soft like Norah Jones, and he's been doing much better.

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[info]justjay
2005-03-04 10:42 am UTC (link)
I do play music for her, NPR or the classical station, or Dave Matthews. *laugh*
I have been thinking about getting a second bird. I definately don't want to breed her, so I'm guessing getting a male companion for her would be out of the question. Would another female make her super-territorial?

And Thaddeus is an awesome name.

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[info]teechers_pet
2005-03-04 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Aw, that's sweet. Elvis likes DMB too. I think different birds have different music preferences. Another 'tiel may potentially make Cinna jealous of you spending time another bird. I got another one once and Elvis didn't like it at all. Then again, many people say it helps. I guess it just depends. Maybe getting a different kind of bird instead of another cockatiel will reduce the risk of territorial/jealous behavior?

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[info]ltdead
2005-03-04 06:29 am UTC (link)
Maybe the chances of this solution working out aren`t too good, but...
When I was in college, I often had long breaks between classes and I lived so close to the school that going home inbetween classes was pretty easy.
So what I did... was I asked my teachers if they would mind Sana coming to classes with me. I said we could give it a try, and if it was desruptive Sana would never come to class again. So I`d harness him up, jump on the bike, and we`d go to Japanese class together. Japanese class was the only class that let Sana attend regularly, but he made appearances at some of my other classes from time to time.

Don`t know if it`s possible for you, but I thought it was at least worth suggesting.

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[info]justjay
2005-03-04 10:39 am UTC (link)
What harness did/do you use? I've been looking at a few, but it would be helpful to have a reccomendation :>
And .. I live about 30 miles from my college (the commute is HORRIBLE but cheaper than living on campus). I know I could leave her in the campus newspaper office while I'm in class (If I get one of those portable backpack-cages) because that's where I spend a good chunk of my time...
Thanks for giving me some stuff to think about!

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[info]ltdead
2005-03-04 04:58 pm UTC (link)
I use harnesses called `feather tethers.` They carry them at some pet stores, or you can get them by doing a search online. You`ll need the petite size for a cockatiel.
It takes some time to get the bird used to the harness, though. I had one bird that never did accept the harness... But he was blind, didn`t like going outside, and hated being touched.

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