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27th December 2008
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26th December 2006
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Subject: [ClutterersAnonymous] Looking for pack rats
From: "kaostv1" <kaostv1@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:35:48 -0000 To: ClutterersAnonymous@yahoogroups.com Looking for fun/quirky women that don't have a handle on their clutter for an award-wining documentary series on a major cable network for women. Whether you are a shopaholic whose clothes are flowing into your living space or can't throw your collections out for sentimental reasons we want to hear from you. First, we would get to know you and your uniqueness as a person and how you live your life outside the home. The idea is to show the dichatomy that can exist where one might be successful in the rest of their life but their house is a wreck. We want to potentially bring in professionals to help conquer your clutter. It will be a fun light hearted more quirky rather than depressing. We look forward to hearing your story! kaostv1@yahoo.com 26th September 2006
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Posting-Frequency: monthly Archive-name: alt-recovery/clutter Last-modified: 2006/07/31 Expires 2006/08/26 Version: 12.04 02/06 Thanks to Don Saklad for suggestions on reorganizing the LiveJournal communities listing. 02/06 Unclutter list replaces Decluttr list 02/06 Thanks to Don Saklad for catching a dead link. 3/05 Inactive LiveJournal community deleted. Thanks to Don Saklad for catching it! 1/05 Changes: Information on San Francisco area self-help group updated. Thanks to Jeri Dansky for checking links -- something I should have done long since! If there's something you think should be added, please let me know. If you see something which needs changing, please let me know. alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience, Strength and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep them from becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information for self-help groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any organization, nor does it speak for any organization. ( Read more... ) 29th October 2005
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Posting-Frequency: monthly Archive-name: alt-recovery/clutter Last-modified: 2005/10/26 Expires 11/26 Version: 10.10 Latest version will be posted at http://www.livejournal.com/community/cl 10/05 Decluttr list to move 7/05 Added Freecycle 5/05 Added one LiveJournal community. 3/05 Inactive LiveJournal community deleted. Thanks to Don Saklad for catching it! 2/05 Changes: Meetups added 1/05 Changes: Information on San Francisco area self-help group updated. Thanks to Jeri Dansky for checking links -- something I should have done long since! If there's something you think should be added, please let me know. If you see something which needs changing, please let me know. alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience, Strength and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep them from becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information for self-help groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any organization, nor does it speak for any organization. You may want to also try one or more of these email lists: DitchThatClutter@yahoogroups.com. To subscribe, send any message to DitchThatClutter@yahoogroups.com. This seems to be the liveliest one just now. The Decluttr list. Currently, Decluttr@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU. However, St. Johns will stop hosting this and several other lists by February 1, 2006. At this point, Yahoogroups seems the most likely place to move. For now: To subscribe, send a message to listserv@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU: Subscribe Decluttr Your Name. Put this in the body of the message (the Listserv software ignores subject headings). Note: "Decluttr" with one e. Freecycle is a set of local mailing lists for people who have stuff to give away and people who want stuff. At http://freecycle.org there's a directory of local Freecycle mailing lists on every continent except Antarctica. LiveJournal (http://livejournal.com) communities listed as interested in decluttering: anticonsumerex - Financial Freedom Shall Be Ours! clean_gweep - Do not mess with the Gweep armed with the broom. clutterers_anon flyladies - Flyladies and Flybabies Community frugaluxe - frugaluxe it_all_goes - it_all_goes organize - Let's Get Organized organizedlife - Organized Life pagans_fly - pagans_fly stonesoupswap - stonesoupswap goal_posts; focus is on overcoming procrastination Q: What is clutter? A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or use that takes our time, energy or space, and destroys our serenity. It can be outgrown clothes, obsolete paper....We may be selective in some areas, but not in others. Objects may be strewn about or wedged into drawers; neatly stacked or stowed in storage." The Twelve Steps of Clutterers Anonymous, CLA WSO Literature Committee, approved February 1996. Q: Is cluttering a real problem? A: Anything that can get you evicted, get your children taken away from you, keep you from inviting people into your home, get you charged more by retailers and the tax authorities because you can't find the paperwork needed to pay them on time, is a real problem. Q: Does cluttering go together with ___? A: Clutterers are more likely to have one of these: clinical depression, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). But none of these invariably goes together with cluttering; and cluttering doesn't invariably go together with any of them. Organizations for clutterers If you can't find a local group, call your local self-help phone number (if you can't find it easily in the phonebook, ask your local library for help finding it). If there's an organization or local meeting not listed here which you think should be, please let me know. I'm also interested in people's experiences with groups. Where a phone number is given, please call first to make sure the meeting is still at the time and place given. Clutterers Anonymous World Service Organization: http://www.clutterersanonymous.net Messies Anonymous: 5025 SW 114th Ave., Miami, FL 33165. 1-800-MESS AWAY Quarterly newsletter $5 per year -- sample newsletter free. Internet: info@messies.com. Website: http://www.messies.com Uses the 12 Steps, but doesn't adhere to all guidelines. (Founder isn't anonymous.) "If you write to the address for the newsletter and include your city and state, you will receive a list of others in the area who have asked for the same information OR the name and number of the person who has organized such a group--if there is one. You will also receive as much information and support as you might need if you want to start your own group." Bonnie Rice Change: You can now ask from the website. Clutterless. http://www.clutterless.org Not a 12-step group, but uses some things from the 12-step tradition. If there isn't a group in your area: Messies Anonymous has online meetings, and Clutterers Anonymous will have one soon. Clutterers Anonymous has a phone meeting. The purpose of http://meetup.com is to set up and help local groups of many kinds. Nowhere near all are active. Some of the Declutter meetups, and one of the Messies meetups, look promising: Northern Virginia Declutter Meetup Group Fairfax, VA Toronto Declutter Meetup Group Calgary Declutter Meetup Group Cleveland Declutter Meetup Group St. Pete-Clearwater Declutter Meetup Group San Diego North County Declutter Meetup Group Escondido, CA Northern Virginia Messies Meetup Group [Revised 05/04/05] Note: Meetup began charging a monthly fee to organizers in May 2005. Some meetup groups moved elsewhere. Some organizers dropped out, and were mostly not replaced. Others started collecting donations or established attendee fees. Passed on by Lori Burkart 'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been formed in San Francisco and meets twice a month.... 'The flyer reads: "For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff and want help, the San Francisco Mental Health Association's Consumer Housing Group presents a Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group" Subject: RE: Hoarders and Clutterers Support Group From: "Mental Health Association of San Francisco" <info@mha-sf.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:31:26 -0800 Dear Dan, Our support group does still exist and meets the 2nd Mondays and 4th Wednesdays of every month. The time is always 6-7pm. The location is 870 Market Street, Suite 622 S.F. CA 94102 However it is important to note that the suite location is subject to change because of availability. For that reasons please call first to find out the suite number prior to arriving, or they will be a sign posted outside of suite 928 advising of the location. Antonio is the staff person who runs the group; please call him if you have further question at (415) 421-2926 ext. 306 Thanks Donice Carter Office Manager/Executive Assistant Mental Health Association of San Francisco 870 Market Street, Suite 928 San Francisco, CA 94102 415-421-2926 (phone) 415-421-2928 (fax) www.mha-sf.org '"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997: 2nd Mondays .... 4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.) '"[note: the Association is responding to the problem of evictions due to Hoarding problems]"' alt.recovery.clutter (BRADFORDMC) Sun Jan 18 1998 "I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group meetings and attended my first meeting at the Madrid Hotel.... I find the support mutual and encouraging. I encourage anyone interested in the area to attend. I also am interested in the possibility of starting a meeting in the east bay. One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley. Due to a vision problem, it would be much easier to attend meetings closer to home. Anyone else interested?" Informal: Minnesota; around St. Louis Park/Edina/Golden Valley --someone who can't currently get to the CLA meetings would like to meet informally. Call Zola at (612) 921-4917. Freecycle (http://freecycle.org) can be very useful: "The Freecycle Network™ is made up of many individual groups across the globe. It's a grassroots movement of people who are giving (& getting) stuff for free in their own towns. Each local group is run by a local volunteer moderator (them's good people). Membership is free...." Useful Books, etc. Sandra Felton. THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's Guide to Good Housekeeping THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for Conquering Catastrophic Living. MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES Alcoholics Anonymous TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS Don Aslett: Clutter's Last Stand, Not For Pack Rats Only, How do I Clean the Moosehead? Stephanie Culp: How to Organize, How to Simplify Your Life Young and Jones, Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen (Warner 1983) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985) Young and Jones, Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993). (....) SHE and GYAT can usually be found at large chain bookstores or Christian bookstores (these are not "Christian" publications, per se). the sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items.... Address is: Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc. P. O. Box 5364 Vancouver, WA 98668 [360] 696-4091 http//www.shesintouch.com "Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by Deniece Schofield. (Publisher: Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH. The cover lists it at 10.99US, 15.99CAN, 7.99UK). "Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by Michelle Passoff, Harper Collins Publishers, 1998. ISBN 0-06-095265-2. Fri, 23 Jan 1998 ttista cleaning tools I follow Don Aslett's book Is There Life After Housework. You can get his catalog 1-800-451-2402. I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo. really. He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and cleaning products. [new: http://www.cleanreport.com/] Sat, 11 April 1998 Mycala W Shaulis Kitchen Web Link http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html It covers not just the kitchen, but virtually every room in the house. alt.recovery.clutter "SaraB" Web Site Thu Mar 18 1999 http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/ This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...) of Organizing from the Inside Out. Just found it last night. I especially liked her "challenge" section. Mon, 28 Jun 1999 Katrina Ancel organizing Link Thought I'd pass this one along..it is the Professional Web Ring...tons of info on getting organized at the home site, plus since it's a ring they link to other sites on the topic.. http://www.organizerswebring.com/ Jeri Dansky <jdorganizer@earthlink.net> Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:51:49 -0800 While this is a ring of Professional Organizers, you might also want to note the site of the National Association of Professional Organizers, at http://www.napo.net/ Jeri Dansky <jdorganizer@earthlink.net> Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:51:49 -0800 Link doesn't work on this one - looks like it should be http://www.wecosoft.com/geniescorner/in [...] Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to schedule your household chores, includes a menu-builder and a to-do list.... We offer tips and worksheets for getting started, which can be viewed on our web site at [see abovel.... We even have an email loop anyone can join by sending me a request to GenieMail@wecosoft.com. The email loop has tips for using the program as well as general topics for staying motivated, getting started and anything else that is on topic. Anyone is welcome to join! Fri, 9 Jul 1999 Katrina Ancel Free Organizing Guide from Julie Morgenstern Get a free guide on the ten most common pitfalls when organizing and how to avoid them..from TaskMasters the company owned by Julie Morgenstern author of "Organizing from the Inside Out" http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/task_ma alt.recovery.clutter From: naomiy [1] Found a neat web site! (Pun intended) Date: Thu Aug 19 1999 Check out: http://www.organizedhome.com./ A bit advanced for some of us maybe, but there are lots of good resources here! 7th September 2005I still have to do the second coat. It took me about an hour. Current Mood: accomplished
6th September 2005This is my first bookend. They talk about using this at the CLA meetings so lets see how this works for me. I am going to paint my back porch. If any of you are procastinating about some house chore, work on it for 15 minutes and let's post our progress. progress, not perfection! Current Mood: determined
3rd September 2005Just found this live journal. I wanted to say that I go to CLA meetings in cincinnati. I love going to the meetings. I have been attempting to fly for about 4 months now. I do the missions, shine the sink a few other of the routines. 27th July 2005
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Posting-Frequency: monthly Archive-name: alt-recovery/clutter Last-modified: 2005/07/26 Expires 08/26 Version: 10.07 Latest version posted at http://www.livejournal.com/community/cl 7/05 Added Freecycle 5/05 Added one LiveJournal community. 3/05 Inactive LiveJournal community deleted. Thanks to Don Saklad for catching it! 2/05 Changes Meetups added 1/05 Changes: Information on San Francisco area self-help group updated. Thanks to Jeri Dansky for checking links -- something I should have done long since! If there's something you think should be added, please let me know. If you see something which needs changing, please let me know. alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience, Strength and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep them from becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information for self-help groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any organization, nor does it speak for any organization. You may want to also try one or more of these email lists: DitchThatClutter@yahoogroups.com. To subscribe, send any message to DitchThatClutter@yahoogroups.com. This seems to be the liveliest one just now. Decluttr@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU. To subscribe, send a message to listserv@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU: Subscribe Decluttr Your Name. Put this in the body of the message (the Listserv software ignores subject headings). Note: "Decluttr" with one e. At freecycle.org is a directory of local Freecycle mailing lists -- on every continent except Antarctica. List what you have that you want to give away. (Or what you want to have.) There are a bunch of other mailing lists, but the ones I know about don't seem very active. If there's one you want to see listed here, tell me. LiveJournal (http://livejournal.com) communities listed as interested in decluttering: anticonsumerex - Financial Freedom Shall Be Ours! clean_gweep - Do not mess with the Gweep armed with the broom. clutterers_anon flyladies - Flyladies and Flybabies Community frugaluxe - frugaluxe it_all_goes - it_all_goes organize - Let's Get Organized organizedlife - Organized Life pagans_fly - pagans_fly stonesoupswap - stonesoupswap Also goal_posts Q: What is clutter? A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or use that takes our time, energy or space, and destroys our serenity. It can be outgrown clothes, obsolete paper....We may be selective in some areas, but not in others. Objects may be strewn about or wedged into drawers; neatly stacked or stowed in storage." The Twelve Steps of Clutterers Anonymous, CLA WSO Literature Committee, approved February 1996. Q: Is cluttering a real problem? A: Anything that can get you evicted, get your children taken away from you, keep you from inviting people into your home, get you charged more by retailers and the tax authorities because you can't find the paperwork needed to pay them on time, is a real problem. Q: Does cluttering go together with ___? A: Clutterers are more likely to have one of these: clinical depression, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). But none of these invariably goes together with cluttering; and cluttering doesn't invariably go together with any of them. Organizations for clutterers If you can't find a local group, call your local self-help phone number (if you can't find it easily in the phonebook, ask your local library for help finding it). If there's an organization or local meeting not listed here which you think should be, please let me know. I'm also interested in people's experiences with groups. Where a phone number is given, please call first to make sure the meeting is still at the time and place given. Clutterers Anonymous World Service Organization: http://www.clutterersanonymous.net Messies Anonymous: 5025 SW 114th Ave., Miami, FL 33165. 1-800-MESS AWAY Quarterly newsletter $5 per year -- sample newsletter free. Internet: info@messies.com. Website: http://www.messies.com Uses the 12 Steps, but doesn't adhere to all guidelines. (Founder isn't anonymous.) "If you write to the address for the newsletter and include your city and state, you will receive a list of others in the area who have asked for the same information OR the name and number of the person who has organized such a group--if there is one. You will also receive as much information and support as you might need if you want to start your own group." Bonnie Rice Change: You can now ask from the website. Clutterless. http://www.clutterless.org Not a 12-step group, but uses some things from the 12-step tradition. If there isn't a group in your area: Messies Anonymous has online meetings, and Clutterers Anonymous will have one soon. Clutterers Anonymous has a phone meeting. The purpose of http://meetup.com is to set up and help local groups of many kinds. Nowhere near all are active. Some of the Declutter meetups, and one of the Messies meetups, look promising: Northern Virginia Declutter Meetup Group Fairfax, VA Toronto Declutter Meetup Group Calgary Declutter Meetup Group Cleveland Declutter Meetup Group St. Pete-Clearwater Declutter Meetup Group San Diego North County Declutter Meetup Group Escondido, CA Northern Virginia Messies Meetup Group [Revised 05/04/05] Note: Beginning May 2005, Meetup will be charging a fee to organizers. One result is that organizers of some meetup groups are moving their groups elsewhere; others have started collecting donations or establishing fees, and others are dropping out. Passed on by Lori Burkart 'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been formed in San Francisco and meets twice a month.... 'The flyer reads: "For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff and want help, the San Francisco Mental Health Association's Consumer Housing Group presents a Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group" Subject: RE: Hoarders and Clutterers Support Group From: "Mental Health Association of San Francisco" <info@mha-sf.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:31:26 -0800 Dear Dan, Our support group does still exist and meets the 2nd Mondays and 4th Wednesdays of every month. The time is always 6-7pm. The location is 870 Market Street, Suite 622 S.F. CA 94102 However is important to note that the suite location is subject to change because of availability. For that reasons please call first to find out the suite number prior to arriving, or they will be a sign posted outside of suite 928 advising of the location. Antonio is the staff person who runs the group; please call him if you have further question at (415) 421-2926 ext. 306 Thanks Donice Carter Office Manager/Executive Assistant Mental Health Association of San Francisco 870 Market Street, Suite 928 San Francisco, CA 94102 415-421-2926 (phone) 415-421-2928 (fax) www.mha-sf.org '"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997: 2nd Mondays .... 4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.) '"[note: the Association is responding to the problem of evictions due to Hoarding problems]"' alt.recovery.clutter (BRADFORDMC) Sun Jan 18 1998 "I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group meetings and attended my first meeting at the Madrid Hotel.... I find the support mutual and encouraging. I encourage anyone interested in the area to attend. I also am interested in the possibility of starting a meeting in the east bay. One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley. Due to a vision problem, it would be much easier to attend meetings closer to home. Anyone else interested?" Informal: Minnesota; around St. Louis Park/Edina/Golden Valley --someone who can't currently get to the CLA meetings would like to meet informally. Call Zola at (612) 921-4917. Freecycle (http://freecycle.org) can be very useful: "The Freecycle Network™ is made up of many individual groups across the globe. It's a grassroots movement of people who are giving (& getting) stuff for free in their own towns. Each local group is run by a local volunteer moderator (them's good people). Membership is free...." Useful Books, etc. Sandra Felton. THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's Guide to Good Housekeeping THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for Conquering Catastrophic Living. MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES Alcoholics Anonymous TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS Don Aslett: Clutter's Last Stand, Not For Pack Rats Only, How do I Clean the Moosehead? Stephanie Culp: How to Organize, How to Simplify Your Life Young and Jones, Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen (Warner 1983) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985) Young and Jones, Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993). (....) SHE and GYAT can usually be found at large chain bookstores or Christian bookstores (these are not "Christian" publications, per se). the sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items.... Address is: Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc. P. O. Box 5364 Vancouver, WA 98668 [360] 696-4091 http//www.shesintouch.com "Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by Deniece Schofield. (Publisher: Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH. The cover lists it at 10.99US, 15.99CAN, 7.99UK). "Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by Michelle Passoff, Harper Collins Publishers, 1998. ISBN 0-06-095265-2. Fri, 23 Jan 1998 ttista cleaning tools I follow Don Aslett's book Is There Life After Housework. You can get his catalog 1-800-451-2402. I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo. really. He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and cleaning products. [new: http://www.cleanreport.com/] Sat, 11 April 1998 Mycala W Shaulis Kitchen Web Link http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html It covers not just the kitchen, but virtually every room in the house. alt.recovery.clutter "SaraB" Web Site Thu Mar 18 1999 http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/ This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...) of Organizing from the Inside Out. Just found it last night. I especially liked her "challenge" section. Mon, 28 Jun 1999 Katrina Ancel organizing Link Thought I'd pass this one along..it is the Professional Web Ring...tons of info on getting organized at the home site, plus since it's a ring they link to other sites on the topic.. http://www.organizerswebring.com/ Jeri Dansky <jdorganizer@earthlink.net> Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:51:49 -0800 While this is a ring of Professional Organizers, you might also want to note the site of the National Association of Professional Organizers, at http://www.napo.net/ Jeri Dansky <jdorganizer@earthlink.net> Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:51:49 -0800 Link doesn't work on this one - looks like it should be http://www.wecosoft.com/geniescorner/in [...] Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to schedule your household chores, includes a menu-builder and a to-do list.... We offer tips and worksheets for getting started, which can be viewed on our web site at [see abovel.... We even have an email loop anyone can join by sending me a request to GenieMail@wecosoft.com. The email loop has tips for using the program as well as general topics for staying motivated, getting started and anything else that is on topic. Anyone is welcome to join! Fri, 9 Jul 1999 Katrina Ancel Free Organizing Guide from Julie Morgenstern Get a free guide on the ten most common pitfalls when organizing and how to avoid them..from TaskMasters the company owned by Julie Morgenstern author of "Organizing from the Inside Out" http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/task_ma alt.recovery.clutter From: naomiy [1] Found a neat web site! (Pun intended) Date: Thu Aug 19 1999 Check out: http://www.organizedhome.com./ A bit advanced for some of us maybe, but there are lots of good resources here! 27th June 2005
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Posting-Frequency: monthly Archive-name: alt-recovery/clutter Last-modified: 2005/06/26 Expires 07/26 Version: 10.06 Latest version posted at http://www.livejournal.com/community/cl 6/06 5/05 Added one LiveJournal community. 3/05 Inactive LiveJournal community deleted. Thanks to Don Saklad for catching it! 2/05 Changes Meetups added 1/05 Changes: Information on San Francisco area self-help group updated. Thanks to Jeri Dansky for checking links -- something I should have done long since! If there's something you think should be added, please let me know. If you see something which needs changing, please let me know. alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience, Strength and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep them from becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information for self-help groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any organization, nor does it speak for any organization. You may want to also try one or more of these email lists: DitchThatClutter@yahoogroups.com. To subscribe, send any message to DitchThatClutter@yahoogroups.com. This seems to be the liveliest one just now. Decluttr@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU. To subscribe, send a message to listserv@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU: Subscribe Decluttr Your Name. Put this in the body of the message (the Listserv software ignores subject headings). Note: "Decluttr" with one e. At freecycle.org is a directory of local Freecycle mailing lists -- on every continent except Antarctica. List what you have that you want to give away. (Or what you want to have.) There are a bunch of other mailing lists, but the ones I know about don't seem very active. If there's one you want to see listed here, tell me. LiveJournal (http://livejournal.com) communities listed as interested in decluttering: anticonsumerex - Financial Freedom Shall Be Ours! clean_gweep - Do not mess with the Gweep armed with the broom. clutterers_anon flyladies - Flyladies and Flybabies Community frugaluxe - frugaluxe it_all_goes - it_all_goes organize - Let's Get Organized organizedlife - Organized Life pagans_fly - pagans_fly stonesoupswap - stonesoupswap Also goal_posts Q: What is clutter? A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or use that takes our time, energy or space, and destroys our serenity. It can be outgrown clothes, obsolete paper....We may be selective in some areas, but not in others. Objects may be strewn about or wedged into drawers; neatly stacked or stowed in storage." The Twelve Steps of Clutterers Anonymous, CLA WSO Literature Committee, approved February 1996. Q: Is cluttering a real problem? A: Anything that can get you evicted, get your children taken away from you, keep you from inviting people into your home, get you charged more by retailers and the tax authorities because you can't find the paperwork needed to pay them on time, is a real problem. Q: Does cluttering go together with ___? A: Clutterers are more likely to have one of these: clinical depression, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). But none of these invariably goes together with cluttering; and cluttering doesn't invariably go together with any of them. Organizations for clutterers If you can't find a local group, call your local self-help phone number (if you can't find it easily in the phonebook, ask your local library for help finding it). If there's an organization or local meeting not listed here which you think should be, please let me know. I'm also interested in people's experiences with groups. Where a phone number is given, please call first to make sure the meeting is still at the time and place given. Clutterers Anonymous World Service Organization: http://www.clutterersanonymous.net Messies Anonymous: 5025 SW 114th Ave., Miami, FL 33165. 1-800-MESS AWAY Quarterly newsletter $5 per year -- sample newsletter free. Internet: info@messies.com. Website: http://www.messies.com Uses the 12 Steps, but doesn't adhere to all guidelines. (Founder isn't anonymous.) "If you write to the address for the newsletter and include your city and state, you will receive a list of others in the area who have asked for the same information OR the name and number of the person who has organized such a group--if there is one. You will also receive as much information and support as you might need if you want to start your own group." Bonnie Rice Change: You can now ask from the website. Clutterless. http://www.clutterless.org Not a 12-step group, but uses some things from the 12-step tradition. If there isn't a group in your area: Messies Anonymous has online meetings, and Clutterers Anonymous will have one soon. Clutterers Anonymous has a phone meeting. The purpose of http://meetup.com is to set up and help local groups of many kinds. Nowhere near all are active. Some of the Declutter meetups, and one of the Messies meetups, look promising: Northern Virginia Declutter Meetup Group Fairfax, VA Toronto Declutter Meetup Group Calgary Declutter Meetup Group Cleveland Declutter Meetup Group St. Pete-Clearwater Declutter Meetup Group San Diego North County Declutter Meetup Group Escondido, CA Northern Virginia Messies Meetup Group [Revised 05/04/05] Note: Beginning May 2005, Meetup will be charging a fee to organizers. One result is that organizers of some meetup groups are moving their groups elsewhere; others have started collecting donations or establishing fees, and others are dropping out. Passed on by Lori Burkart 'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been formed in San Francisco and meets twice a month.... 'The flyer reads: "For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff and want help, the San Francisco Mental Health Association's Consumer Housing Group presents a Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group" Subject: RE: Hoarders and Clutterers Support Group From: "Mental Health Association of San Francisco" <info@mha-sf.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:31:26 -0800 Dear Dan, Our support group does still exist and meets the 2nd Mondays and 4th Wednesdays of every month. The time is always 6-7pm. The location is 870 Market Street, Suite 622 S.F. CA 94102 However is important to note that the suite location is subject to change because of availability. For that reasons please call first to find out the suite number prior to arriving, or they will be a sign posted outside of suite 928 advising of the location. Antonio is the staff person who runs the group; please call him if you have further question at (415) 421-2926 ext. 306 Thanks Donice Carter Office Manager/Executive Assistant Mental Health Association of San Francisco 870 Market Street, Suite 928 San Francisco, CA 94102 415-421-2926 (phone) 415-421-2928 (fax) www.mha-sf.org '"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997: 2nd Mondays .... 4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.) '"[note: the Association is responding to the problem of evictions due to Hoarding problems]"' alt.recovery.clutter (BRADFORDMC) Sun Jan 18 1998 "I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group meetings and attended my first meeting at the Madrid Hotel.... I find the support mutual and encouraging. I encourage anyone interested in the area to attend. I also am interested in the possibility of starting a meeting in the east bay. One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley. Due to a vision problem, it would be much easier to attend meetings closer to home. Anyone else interested?" Informal: Minnesota; around St. Louis Park/Edina/Golden Valley --someone who can't currently get to the CLA meetings would like to meet informally. Call Zola at (612) 921-4917. Useful Books, etc. Sandra Felton. THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's Guide to Good Housekeeping THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for Conquering Catastrophic Living. MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES Alcoholics Anonymous TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS Don Aslett: Clutter's Last Stand, Not For Pack Rats Only, How do I Clean the Moosehead? Stephanie Culp: How to Organize, How to Simplify Your Life Young and Jones, Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen (Warner 1983) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985) Young and Jones, Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993). (....) SHE and GYAT can usually be found at large chain bookstores or Christian bookstores (these are not "Christian" publications, per se). the sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items.... Address is: Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc. P. O. Box 5364 Vancouver, WA 98668 [360] 696-4091 http//www.shesintouch.com "Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by Deniece Schofield. (Publisher: Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH. The cover lists it at 10.99US, 15.99CAN, 7.99UK). "Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by Michelle Passoff, Harper Collins Publishers, 1998. ISBN 0-06-095265-2. Fri, 23 Jan 1998 ttista cleaning tools I follow Don Aslett's book Is There Life After Housework. You can get his catalog 1-800-451-2402. I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo. really. He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and cleaning products. [new: http://www.cleanreport.com/] Sat, 11 April 1998 Mycala W Shaulis Kitchen Web Link http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html It covers not just the kitchen, but virtually every room in the house. alt.recovery.clutter "SaraB" Web Site Thu Mar 18 1999 http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/ This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...) of Organizing from the Inside Out. Just found it last night. I especially liked her "challenge" section. Mon, 28 Jun 1999 Katrina Ancel organizing Link Thought I'd pass this one along..it is the Professional Web Ring...tons of info on getting organized at the home site, plus since it's a ring they link to other sites on the topic.. http://www.organizerswebring.com/ Jeri Dansky <jdorganizer@earthlink.net> Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:51:49 -0800 While this is a ring of Professional Organizers, you might also want to note the site of the National Association of Professional Organizers, at http://www.napo.net/ Jeri Dansky <jdorganizer@earthlink.net> Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:51:49 -0800 Link doesn't work on this one - looks like it should be http://www.wecosoft.com/geniescorner/in [...] Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to schedule your household chores, includes a menu-builder and a to-do list.... We offer tips and worksheets for getting started, which can be viewed on our web site at [see abovel.... We even have an email loop anyone can join by sending me a request to GenieMail@wecosoft.com. The email loop has tips for using the program as well as general topics for staying motivated, getting started and anything else that is on topic. Anyone is welcome to join! Fri, 9 Jul 1999 Katrina Ancel Free Organizing Guide from Julie Morgenstern Get a free guide on the ten most common pitfalls when organizing and how to avoid them..from TaskMasters the company owned by Julie Morgenstern author of "Organizing from the Inside Out" http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/task_ma alt.recovery.clutter From: naomiy [1] Found a neat web site! (Pun intended) Date: Thu Aug 19 1999 Check out: http://www.organizedhome.com./ A bit advanced for some of us maybe, but there are lots of good resources here! 4th June 2005did two loads of laundry..got both folded...third load of laundry to be folded tonight. did more than half of the dishes. cleaned off the nightstand, dusted nightstand and picked up all my dbf's candy wrappers that were beside the bed. and played with my puppy for 20 minutes. lde crossposted. 30th May 2005
dsgood @ : alt.recovery.clutter FAQ, 5/30/05
Posting-Frequency: monthly Archive-name: alt-recovery/clutter Last-modified: 2005/05/30 Expires 06/26 Version: 10.06 Latest version posted at http://decluttering.blogspot.com and http://www.livejournal.com/community/cl 5/05 Added one LiveJournal community. 3/05 Inactive LiveJournal community deleted. Thanks to Don Saklad for catching it! 2/05 Changes Meetups added 1/05 Changes: Information on San Francisco area self-help group updated. Thanks to Jeri Dansky for checking links -- something I should have done long since! If there's something you think should be added, please let me know. If you see something which needs changing, please let me know. alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience, Strength and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep them from becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information for self-help groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any organization, nor does it speak for any organization. You may want to also try one or more of these email lists: DitchThatClutter@yahoogroups.com. To subscribe, send any message to DitchThatClutter@yahoogroups.com. This seems to be the liveliest one just now. Decluttr@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU. To subscribe, send a message to listserv@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU: Subscribe Decluttr Your Name. Put this in the body of the message (the Listserv software ignores subject headings). Note: "Decluttr" with one e. There are a bunch of other mailing lists, but the ones I know about don't seem very active. If there's one you want to see listed here, tell me. LiveJournal (http://livejournal.com) communities listed as interested in decluttering: anticonsumerex - Financial Freedom Shall Be Ours! clean_gweep - Do not mess with the Gweep armed with the broom. flyladies - Flyladies and Flybabies Community frugaluxe - frugaluxe it_all_goes - it_all_goes organize - Let's Get Organized organizedlife - Organized Life pagans_fly - pagans_fly stonesoupswap - stonesoupswap Also goal_posts Q: What is clutter? A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or use that takes our time, energy or space, and destroys our serenity. It can be outgrown clothes, obsolete paper....We may be selective in some areas, but not in others. Objects may be strewn about or wedged into drawers; neatly stacked or stowed in storage." The Twelve Steps of Clutterers Anonymous, CLA WSO Literature Committee, approved February 1996. Q: Is cluttering a real problem? A: Anything that can get you evicted, get your children taken away from you, keep you from inviting people into your home, get you charged more by retailers and the tax authorities because you can't find the paperwork needed to pay them on time, is a real problem. Q: Does cluttering go together with ___? A: Clutterers are more likely to have one of these: clinical depression, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). But none of these invariably goes together with cluttering; and cluttering doesn't invariably go together with any of them. Organizations for clutterers If you can't find a local group, call your local self-help phone number (if you can't find it easily in the phonebook, ask your local library for help finding it). If there's an organization or local meeting not listed here which you think should be, please let me know. I'm also interested in people's experiences with groups. Where a phone number is given, please call first to make sure the meeting is still at the time and place given. Clutterers Anonymous World Service Organization: http://www.clutterersanonymous.net Messies Anonymous: 5025 SW 114th Ave., Miami, FL 33165. 1-800-MESS AWAY Quarterly newsletter $5 per year -- sample newsletter free. Internet: info@messies.com. Website: http://www.messies.com Uses the 12 Steps, but doesn't adhere to all guidelines. (Founder isn't anonymous.) "If you write to the address for the newsletter and include your city and state, you will receive a list of others in the area who have asked for the same information OR the name and number of the person who has organized such a group--if there is one. You will also receive as much information and support as you might need if you want to start your own group." Bonnie Rice Change: You can now ask from the website. Clutterless. http://www.clutterless.org Not a 12-step group, but uses some things from the 12-step tradition. If there isn't a group in your area: Messies Anonymous has online meetings, and Clutterers Anonymous will have one soon. Clutterers Anonymous has a phone meeting. The purpose of http://meetup.com is to set up and help local groups of many kinds. Nowhere near all are active. Some of the Declutter meetups, and one of the Messies meetups, look promising: Northern Virginia Declutter Meetup Group Fairfax, VA Toronto Declutter Meetup Group Calgary Declutter Meetup Group Cleveland Declutter Meetup Group St. Pete-Clearwater Declutter Meetup Group San Diego North County Declutter Meetup Group Escondido, CA Northern Virginia Messies Meetup Group [Revised 05/04/05] Note: Beginning May 2005, Meetup will be charging a fee to organizers. One result is that organizers of some meetup groups are moving their groups elsewhere; others have started collecting donations or establishing fees, and others are dropping out. Passed on by Lori Burkart 'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been formed in San Francisco and meets twice a month.... 'The flyer reads: "For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff and want help, the San Francisco Mental Health Association's Consumer Housing Group presents a Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group" Subject: RE: Hoarders and Clutterers Support Group From: "Mental Health Association of San Francisco" <info@mha-sf.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:31:26 -0800 Dear Dan, Our support group does still exist and meets the 2nd Mondays and 4th Wednesdays of every month. The time is always 6-7pm. The location is 870 Market Street, Suite 622 S.F. CA 94102 However is important to note that the suite location is subject to change because of availability. For that reasons please call first to find out the suite number prior to arriving, or they will be a sign posted outside of suite 928 advising of the location. Antonio is the staff person who runs the group; please call him if you have further question at (415) 421-2926 ext. 306 Thanks Donice Carter Office Manager/Executive Assistant Mental Health Association of San Francisco 870 Market Street, Suite 928 San Francisco, CA 94102 415-421-2926 (phone) 415-421-2928 (fax) www.mha-sf.org '"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997: 2nd Mondays .... 4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.) '"[note: the Association is responding to the problem of evictions due to Hoarding problems]"' alt.recovery.clutter (BRADFORDMC) Sun Jan 18 1998 "I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group meetings and attended my first meeting at the Madrid Hotel.... I find the support mutual and encouraging. I encourage anyone interested in the area to attend. I also am interested in the possibility of starting a meeting in the east bay. One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley. Due to a vision problem, it would be much easier to attend meetings closer to home. Anyone else interested?" Informal: Minnesota; around St. Louis Park/Edina/Golden Valley --someone who can't currently get to the CLA meetings would like to meet informally. Call Zola at (612) 921-4917. Useful Books, etc. Sandra Felton. THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's Guide to Good Housekeeping THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for Conquering Catastrophic Living. MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES Alcoholics Anonymous TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS Don Aslett: Clutter's Last Stand, Not For Pack Rats Only, How do I Clean the Moosehead? Stephanie Culp: How to Organize, How to Simplify Your Life Young and Jones, Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen (Warner 1983) Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985) Young and Jones, Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993). (....) SHE and GYAT can usually be found at large chain bookstores or Christian bookstores (these are not "Christian" publications, per se). the sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items.... Address is: Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc. P. O. Box 5364 Vancouver, WA 98668 [360] 696-4091 http//www.shesintouch.com "Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by Deniece Schofield. (Publisher: Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH. The cover lists it at 10.99US, 15.99CAN, 7.99UK). "Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by Michelle Passoff, Harper Collins Publishers, 1998. ISBN 0-06-095265-2. Fri, 23 Jan 1998 ttista cleaning tools I follow Don Aslett's book Is There Life After Housework. You can get his catalog 1-800-451-2402. I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo. really. He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and cleaning products. [new: http://www.cleanreport.com/] Sat, 11 April 1998 Mycala W Shaulis Kitchen Web Link http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html It covers not just the kitchen, but virtually every room in the house. alt.recovery.clutter "SaraB" Web Site Thu Mar 18 1999 http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/ This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...) of Organizing from the Inside Out. Just found it last night. I especially liked her "challenge" section. Mon, 28 Jun 1999 Katrina Ancel organizing Link Thought I'd pass this one along..it is the Professional Web Ring...tons of info on getting organized at the home site, plus since it's a ring they link to other sites on the topic.. http://www.organizerswebring.com/ Jeri Dansky <jdorganizer@earthlink.net> Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:51:49 -0800 While this is a ring of Professional Organizers, you might also want to note the site of the National Association of Professional Organizers, at http://www.napo.net/ Jeri Dansky <jdorganizer@earthlink.net> Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:51:49 -0800 Link doesn't work on this one - looks like it should be http://www.wecosoft.com/geniescorner/in [...] Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to schedule your household chores, includes a menu-builder and a to-do list.... We offer tips and worksheets for getting started, which can be viewed on our web site at [see abovel.... We even have an email loop anyone can join by sending me a request to GenieMail@wecosoft.com. The email loop has tips for using the program as well as general topics for staying motivated, getting started and anything else that is on topic. Anyone is welcome to join! Fri, 9 Jul 1999 Katrina Ancel Free Organizing Guide from Julie Morgenstern Get a free guide on the ten most common pitfalls when organizing and how to avoid them..from TaskMasters the company owned by Julie Morgenstern author of "Organizing from the Inside Out" http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/task_ma alt.recovery.clutter From: naomiy [1] Found a neat web site! (Pun intended) Date: Thu Aug 19 1999 Check out: http://www.organizedhome.com./ A bit advanced for some of us maybe, but there are lots of good resources here! lde 27th May 2005
dsgood @ : 5/26/05 decluttering
Bought a set of small drawers, useful for organizing small items. And put some pens in one of the drawers. Picked up some trash. 26th May 200525th May 200524th May 2005
dsgood @ : 5/23/05
Another new member here -- and she mentioned the goal_posts community, which I need to mention on alt.recovery.procrastinate. There aren't many self-help groups for procrastination. (If there's a real Procrastinators Anonymous, it's not findable among all the jokes.) Did laundry. Bagged some trash. 23rd May 2005Hello! I've just joined. I'm Cindy, a mom-at-home in Philadelphia. I have been making some good decluttering strides through another lj community, 22nd May 200521st May 200520th May 2005HI, to be honest, Clutterers Anon. I had never heard of. I just finished reading a bit about the organization. It sounds interesting. There are so many great organizations out there for dealing with clutter. I hope you don't mind me joining your group. I could use someone to be accountable with. I have been fluttering with Flylady for about 4 yrs. and dealing with the clutter is my most difficult challenge. I have been involved with the St. Paul Flylady group since it started up. Current Mood:
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dsgood @ : 5/18/05 Decluttering
Got the okay to change the South Minneapolis Clutterers Anonymous from once a month to twice a month -- second and fourth Saturdays. Next step: Changing the information in various places. I'd intended that to start next month, but didn't say so. I can either correct this, or show up for the fourth Saturday this month. Got some stuff picked up. |
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