miyabinohana ([info]miyabinohana) wrote in [info]close_contrast,
@ 2007-08-02 05:47:00
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Hi all, I would like to ask you your opinion.

Spoilor DH!!! I have warned you.


I love the DH chapter 30, which Minerva sprinted to protect the Hogwarts. She was a brilliant commander and dualist!!
In that chapter, Minerva caught Snape at the corridor and got him away from Harry. Snape was on the way to Harry( I guess Snape was going to let know Harry the last sercret of the Horcrux. I knew I should not think about "what if" on the story(HP books are JKR's after all) and according to last part of HBP, sadly, we could have guessed that Minerva had not been informed anything about the horcruxes nor Snape's situation by Dumbledore. Additon, No will or note to Minerva from Dumblerore in DH or Harry had not told anything to everyone but his best friends, she had no way to know the truth.
Not knowing the truth about Snape's loyalty, her action was very reasonable. I do not have intention to offend Minerva or JKR, but, if she had not got Snape away from Harry at that point, Snape would have not go to Load Voldemort for the last service, nor let Lord Voldemort kill him. Or even they could have found better way to survive. As a helpless SS/MM shipper am I, I can not bear this idea that Minerva was the one who had triggered Snape's death. It was too horrible to think, but I can not take myself away from this idea.
Do you think Minerva was the one has triggered Snape's death, or not?

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[info]ook
2007-08-01 10:27 pm UTC (link)
I recall that Snape touched his left arm right before he was attacked by Minerva and the teachers. Voldemort was calling him and he had to leave anyway.

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[info]miyabinohana
2007-08-01 11:30 pm UTC (link)
I can not remember that Snape was called by Voldemort before Minerva attacked him. Shadowycat pointed out that Voldemort would kill him to own the elderwand anyway. That's why he had ordered Lucius take Snape to him. I had thought this sommoning was from Carrow's sister who had found Harry in the Ravencrow common room. (Because Snape explained that to Minerva.) It was a mere accident that Minerva took Snape away from the way. I suppose Shadowycat's point is quite reasonable and relieved from my fear.
Thank you.

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[info]shadowycat
2007-08-01 10:28 pm UTC (link)
Voldemort had already come to the conclusion that in order to truly own the Elder wand, he had to kill Snape. Wherever Snape flew off to when he left Hogwarts, it wasn't to his immediate death. Voldemort sent Lucius Malfoy to bring Snape to him when he intended to kill him, and I'm sure he wouldn't have taken no for an answer. I wouldn't blame Minerva...the blame belongs to Voldemort.

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[info]miyabinohana
2007-08-02 02:08 pm UTC (link)
Simply, I felt fear for that idea. I would NOT blame Minerva. I think this incident have happened by accident. I know that the blame belongs to Voldemort. It is Voldemort who killed Snape and he wanted to kill him for his purpose, anyway. I have thought that summoning have been not from Voldemort but from Carrow's sister, who had wanted to let other death eater know Harry's arrival (Snape explained that to Minerva and I thought Snape wanted to let Harry know the last secret of the Horcrux). Thank you for pointed out that fact. I suppose your point, that Voldemort summoned Snape before he met Minerva, so he could own the Elderwand totally, is quite reasonable.

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[info]scullysayer
2007-08-04 05:16 am UTC (link)
I was waiting for someone here to bring up DH, although I didn't expect this idea. I don't think she was responsible as Snape was going to get killed either way (as others have mentioned). At worst, her actions just hastened the inevitable.
But it's an interesting thought as I expect Minerva would blame herself, overwrought with guilt that she didn't trust Snape and that she might have been responsible for his demise. Responsible for the demise of someone she realized she'd loved, very dearly... mmm, plot bunnies.

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[info]miyabinohana
2007-08-05 04:43 am UTC (link)
I would Never blame Minerva or I don't think she was responsible for that, as I replyed other comments.

her actions just hastened the inevitable.
It was exactly what I wanted to find out.

And the plot bunny,yey!
I imagined a drabele or one shot in your way. But, my wrenched mind says it would not work...because I can not find how Minerva could find the truth of Snape's loyralty or why he had been killed by Load voldemort. Perhaps I need to get some idea to explain those pathes and it would be a long story. ( I suppose Harry would not spill what he had foound out in Snape's pensive or the ohter deatheaters would not explain why Load Voldemort had killed him. On this condition I coukd not get an idea how she could get the conclusion, your plot bunny telling. Additon, I am wondering how Minerva could cope with what Dumbledore had do to her.After all she could not know any truth of this war whole though time of this war, or even worse, she could not guess the truth, alas we readers know all what happened because we read the story?

Anyway it is a great idea that you suggested. It will be beautiful piece that she feels guilty or remorse for Snape's death,( I don't think she is not one to be blamed for that, though)
Go for it!! or could we work togther for a fic?

I am so orry if I had gone too far.

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[info]crocky_wock
2007-08-06 07:05 am UTC (link)
If anyone, it seems reasonable to blame Dumbledore. Again. For not telling his Deputy Headmistresss at least a part of what was going on. For letting her in the dark about SEVERUS. For not giving Severus an order to let at least Minerva in on the game. (He must have had sufficient time when he was a portrait, though I admit it's somewhat hard to blame a portrait for someone's death... :D) I have been wondering why Snape didn't sense that the game over and refused to answer the summons in the first place.

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