Hillary Clinton 2008

I'm aware that I might get nailed for this post, but I'm taking a chance anyway, because I honestly want to know. This community was once a safe-haven for me, a place where I could voice my opinion without worrying about having to defend everything I wrote, down to the last period. I miss that.

( I SUPPOSE this is pro-Obama, though I'm not the biggest Obama lover )

I know some of you are in that community, but some are not. This is a general statement about the whole Obama phenomenon. It's one of the longer entries I've written in a long while.

This post contains spoilers for the new straight-to-DVD movie, Futurama: The Beast with a Billion Backs.

( Obamarama: Part of Something Bigger...Or Not. (pro-PUMA/nObama) )

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...so forgive me if this is the second time you've seen it. I'll put it under a cut anyway.

( Warning: [Deserved] Obama Bashing graphic under the cut. )

(EDIT) By the way, here's a story about someone who HONORS HER COMMITTMENTS, unlike the idiot pictured above. Oh HAY, look the RACIST is pandering (except not, because she's known that child since she was 2)!!! I sure hope Aleatha is as pissed as fuck as the rest of us for the Obamatrons (and the Obama campaign including the Arrogant Douchebag) labelling the Clintons as racist.



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You know, Obamatrons will make a big shit out of ANYTHING Clinton says.

Yes, the thing I'm pissed off about is the crap that's all over the news and the "progressive" blogs. The b.s. about how Clinton supposedly implied that Obama will be shot like RFK.

However, that's not what she fucking said. And it's being taken out of its entire context and being made out to be a big fat...bunch of bullshit like the LBJ/MLK comment. And yet somehow, Bobby Kennedy Jr. got what she was saying.

Obamatrons will think nothing of manufacturing SOMETHING out of NOTHING in order to destroy Clinton's character. Fucktards.

Sanity here: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/23/20319/4465

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Can someone please explain to me why, after Hillary wins by a huge margin in Kentucky and Obama wins by a much smaller margin in Oregon, the article on their website has a big picture of Obama and the headline "Obama 'within reach' of victory"?!

Thank God for this community, or I'd think the race for nominee was a foregone conclusion like most other people in this country.

ETA: Just watched Hillary's victory speech from Kentucky. There are no words for that level of awesome. XD

http://www.theurbangrind.net/?p=2570

I am not saying I agree with everything in that video. Some of it I think is ridiculous but it did bring up some interesting things I didn't know before.

I would've respected Edwards' endorsement a lot more, if

• He hadn't repeatedly said that "Barack Obama is the MAN to do it . . ."
  
• It hadn't been clearly timed to take attention away from Hillary's WV win
  
• I hadn't then within 20 minutes received an email from him asking for money for his college scholarship program (to which I responded letting him know exactly why I wasn't going to donate)
  
• It made any sort of logical sense

The last is the thing I can't figure out. From my understanding of the announcement, Edwards saw that Obama was having difficulty attracting the core democratic electorate, and so he decided to endorse him. Am I the only one that sees those two statements as orthogonal to each other?? Why not throw your support behind the person who CAN attract the electorate on their own merit??

The Obama supporter with whom I take the train (and I still can't figure out why he's an Obama supporter) and I had an interesting discussion this morning, he's still not entirely sure that Obama can win against McCain in the fall, and he said he thinks Hillary's staying in the race so that when McCain wins, she'll be able to say "I told you so," and she'll get the nomination in four years handed to her on a silver platter. It's an interesting thought, and the only thing giving me comfort at the moment.

More b.s. to get your b.p. up over Michelle Oballbuster: 'I want to rip his eyes out!' she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. 'Kidding!' Obama said. 'See, this is what gets me into trouble.'

I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really *chanelling Birdgirl here* really, really, really HATE THAT WOMAN.

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P.S. As I fed Henry, I pondered this. People will bitch and moan if we call MO a "bitch" or worse and then attribute our ire against MO to racism. Yeah, because showing some class is SOLELY upon the shoulders of black Americans. Only...not. Had Cindy McCain or Hell, any woman of any color--white, Asian, Hispanic--said the same thing, I would still say that the woman lacked class and manners. Stillife is correct: I don't see how this woman, this supposedly intelligent of a woman with a poor attitude, could ever compare to Jackie Kennedy. Never, ever. EVER.

EDIT OH HAY LOOK, stupid bitches are getting all pissy over what I say again. You gals (and some guys) just don't know when to quit, do you? Nor do you know how to read post scripts.

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http://littleisis.blogspot.com/2008/05/my-correspondance-with-donna-brazile.html

Basics: A young voter sent Donna Brazile an email through Brazile's website. She got a response.

Young voter's email:

From: natalie bryan [mailto:xxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:17 AM
To: donna@brazileassociates.com
Subject: This Race

Hi Donna!!!!

I am emailing you on behalf of many people. I am, as you may know, a Hillary Clinton Supporter. You have probably gotten a lot of emails from her supporters, and I understand from the blogs I often frequent that you have responded to many of them.

I want you to know that I read bits and pieces of your autobiography, Cooking With Grease, and thought it was wonderful and well written. I came to understand from your book and from a lot of what I have witnessed in this election cycle that to simply put groups of people in Demographics and Exit polls is a misunderstanding of both America and the Democratic Party.

What I have learned is that people often vote based on their experiences. You, as an Undeclared Obama supporter, probably identify strongly with his candidacy because of the struggles you went through during a time when race relations in this country were in turmoil. I voted for Hillary Clinton, not only because I relate to her strongly as both a person and a woman who is very spiritual and devoted to her family and to helping others, but also because she is the greatest candidate to lead this country out of the mess we're in, and because her policy proposals have been phenominal and close to my heart, because it proves to me that she is not simply talking and promising change, she is telling me how she is going to make it happen. It proves to me that she actually cares.

As a young person, I have a big future ahead of me, and I also have dreams and ambitions, and strong opinions and many other things. CNN tells me every day that I should be supporting Barack Obama, because his freshness and newness should appeal to my fickle nature. But I support Hillary, and like many of her supporters, I feel sad and dissappointed and hurt and many other things by what I see, based on rationality and facts, as the poor and undeserved treatment she and her husband have received by the DNC party elite and the Chicago Style Campaign tactics of Senator Obama's Campaign that I have witnessed with my own eyes and heard a number of stories about.

I understand that many of the emails you have received by Clinton Supporters urging you to do the right and ethical thing by seating Michigan and Florida delegates have been angry and often probably obnoxious. But you cannot possibly understand how frustrated they are. And while you may say that they are "the reason" Hillary is losing, whatever her supporters have done or said pale in comparison to the abuse and mistreatment we have suffered from some supporters of Senator Obama.

You may use Roe V Wade as a trump card for accusing them of being petty in their vows to not support Senator Obama, should he be the nominee, but I assure you that using something like that as a threat will not work, because there are few (actually, no) politicians I have seen that are as devoted to a woman's right to choose than Hillary Clinton, and you know that as well as I.

Ms. Brazille, I urge you not to disclude and disenfranchise millions of voters from every walk of life from this nominating process simply for the sake of one candidate, because doing so would be an awful mistake. I have respect for you as a person, Ms. Brazille, but I would implore you to make the right decision and seat Florida and Michigan . I would also implore you to stop encouraging super delegates to force Senator Clinton out of the race, because the more they do this, the stronger she gets.

Ms. Brazille, I cannot pretend to understand what you have gone through in your life, nor what you are going through now. It would be ignorant of me to try. But many people feel angry when they are stereotyped or put in a box because if what candidate they support. I support Hillary Clinton, and I love all of my friends. Including the great African American friends I have that I adore. and all of the African American women at my mother's church who embrace me and always tell me how "pretty" I look every time I see them. I also love my Latino friends, my Italian friends, my Jewish friends, my Catholic friends.

As I said, I cannot pretend to understand your experiences, but nor can you understand mine. Just because a person's skin may be paler that yours, does not mean their lives are without suffering.
I, for one, cry at night wondering what my republican mother will do if anything happens to her, because she doesn't have Health Insurance. And because of this, my mother may just support Hillary Clinton over John McCain come this fall. She is a Republican who supports Hillary Clinton not because Rush Limbaugh told her to, but because she believes that Hillary Clinton is a Candidate that may actually care about her.

So Ms. Brazille, I would yet again urge you to do everything you can to seat Michigan and Florida properly, and also, I would ask that you stop saying you are "undeclared" on CNN's panels when clearly you know which candidate you support.

Thank you very much for reading this email. Like you, I am very emotionally invested in this Campaign, (as is Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a Congresswoman from the district next to mine who also supports Hillary :D) and wish you all the luck in the world.

respectfully,

A young female voter from Ohio

Brazile's (alleged) response:

From: "Donna Brazile"
To: "'natalie bryan'"
Subject: RE: This Race
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 07:58:35 -0400

Thanks Natalie,

As of today, I am not going to respond to any more anti American, Anti Democratic emails. Have a nice day.

I am sorry because you are sincere, but the Hillary forces are uncivil, repugnant and vile. When you come up for air and would like to email a person who cares about America and not just a personality, I will respond.

Thanks for your time and your interest.

Donna

I want screencaps of this (supposed) email! And I want to send those screencaps to EVERY MAJOR NEWS OUTLET.

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A few weeks ago I mentioned that I was reading Dreams from My Father because someone had to.

Well at the moment I'm halfway through...can't stomach more than a few chapters at a time, plus whilst I'm reading other things...but I found this good video on Taylor Marsh's blogs that compares and contrasts the stuff in his book with some of the crap Obama's said this season.

I did note that the person neglected to include the passage where Obama's mother told him about the letter that Grandpa Hussein sent to her parents that said that he did not want Anne Dunham's "white woman" blood to taint the Obama bloodline/hated the pairing so much that he threatened to get Obama Sr.'s student visa revoked (pp. 125, 126). That's too bad, because it's a good one.

Enjoy, but skip if you don't want to hear his voice on the night of celebrating her win, LOL.



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I saved this video clip for just this time. In response to the Flag Question, this is what Obama said:

And let me just make one last point on this issue of the flag pin. As you noted, I wore one yesterday when a veteran handed it to me, who himself was disabled and works on behalf of disabled veterans. I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins. This is the kind of manufactured issue that our politics has become obsessed with and, once again, distracts us from what should be my job when I'm commander in chief, which is going to be figuring out how we get our troops out of Iraq and how we actually make our economy better for the American people.

Okay smarty, let me sho u teh manufacturingz!11 of the issue right here, you douchebag:



Lies, lies, lies...someone send this link to that woman who asked the original question (Nash McCabe of Latrobe, Pennsylvania).

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Carville elaborates on his "Judas" comment about Richardson, names names.

Hey there y'all...I'm still here, just preoccupied with our new puppy (he wears me out!). But I'm still following everything/reading articles. I just thought this one was a good one.

BTW if you haven't seen it yet, Carville is in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. We watched it last night and I wasn't expecting to see him in it, LOL (he plays the governor of Missouri, I believe).

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Since Obamatrons are crawling all over this "Wright Distraction", I figured I'd set the record straight.

From here.

UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.

Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.

And yet, the WaPo article still gave the Clinton Bosnia story 4 Pinocchios. Unreal.

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Or a meaningless distraction from all of the viciousness.

Disco - Clinton & Obama
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Dear Mr. Obama,

As the candidate who was running on the premise of change, and hope, and restoring trust back in Washington with a new kind of leader, you presented yourself as a uniter. A person who would "Rise Up" and "Change" Washington.

At first, I kept an open ear to your statements, much like I listened to John Edwards. And then, the initial Rezko scandal hit. And I didn't honestly think it hurt you too bad. And then, you released your economic plan, and I didn't like it. I didn't like how you wanted to raise taxes by 1.3 trillion dollars. I didn't like how you didn't support immediate foreclosure relief. I didn't like how you wanted to keep borrowing $300 billion dollars from foreign governments to support your new spending proposals. But I still listened.

I listened mostly because I heard the rest of the country praising your name, and it's not always fun going against what your friends are doing. I listened because I wanted to feel that "gotcha" moment that had fallen over the rest of my co-workers and the online communities that I read. I was still listening.

And then you started flip flopping on the issues. On Gun Control. On Universal Heath Care. On taking money from people to water down Senate bills (hint: If it walks like a lobbyist, talks like a lobbyist, and acts like a lobbyist... it's not a mongoose.) And Mr. Obama, I started tuning out a little. But I was still listening.

I listened to you talk about "Change" and say that our nation needed to "Rise Up". It sort of sounded like a broken record from earlier, but I listened.

And then I heard about Jeremiah Wright. I heard about him in March of 2007. And you were not strong on him then, but you did disavow his statement, the one you were "told" about. I thought "Maybe" back then, if he's able to disavow someone like his own Pastor, he may be the real deal. But then we learned you kept him on your campaign committee. That's not action Mr. Obama, that isn't change - that's an old political stunt of "I say one thing, but I do another."

But I kept listening, I wanted to hear how you would handle this crisis. This was your moment to shine. And then I heard you, your own words, say that you weren't aware that your own Pastor had said ANY of these words in his sermons besides the one you were alerted to back in March 2007.

I've been to church many times Mr. Obama, but not a regular. And even being a casual lay person to the church, I KNEW what was going on, I heard about what the pastor's last sermon was all about. Mr. Obama, I went maybe once a month on a good month, and I knew what happened over the past month. And that's without my church having a website that sold the sermons or offered web replays of them on demand.

But what has happened now, with the countless speeches, given on many different days, that have been brought to light, and with your acknowledged church attendance since 1992 on today's interviews, you expect us - not as political hacks, but as Americans - to believe you when you say that you didn't know of ANY of the hate filled speech that was going on?

Mr. Obama, most of America doesn't believe you. We believe you have lied to our faces to cover your butt. You probably would have gotten out of this with less damage if you would have admitted that you knew about some of the hate filled crap that your pastor was spewing, but then tried defending him on his positive points that I've heard about him, like being a U.S. Marine, or the work that he and your church tries to do in the Chicago community.

It is clear now Mr. Obama, that you could only keep this charade up for so long. Nearly all the comments on the news message boards are things along these lines:

• "My feelings for Obama have definitely changed. I really think the people of United States have an obligation to research Senator Obama and what he believes before they give him an office to lead all the people in the country."
  

  
  

• "Obama must be the only church goer who does not know what his preacher preaches. With this sort of attention to main themes I dont think he should run for office any longer."
  

  
  

• "I found Mr. Obama’s responses to be questionable. My support for Obama is in jeopardy. It is very hard to belive that after 20 years Barack could be suprised by the Pastor’s comments."
  

I could go on, but you can go on to ABC News, CNN, and MSNBC and read them for yourself. They are overwhelmingly distrustful of you and your statement. And this is from the internet community who traditionally is your best demographic; who has defended you to the end on past issues.

It is now clear Mr. Obama, that the jig is up, and you have let your candidacy be permanently damaged. You have provided overwhelming fodder for Republicans in the general election. This lie, Mr. Obama, has ended any chance of myself or most Americans being able to support you. It is not the racist statements of your supporter, Mr. Obama, it is this lie that you have told with self-conviction that you did not know your pastor said any of these statements.

Continuing to stay in the democratic contest will do nothing but hurt you and hurt our chances in the general election. It is now, Mr. Obama, time to exit with grace and support the only candidate who still has a chance of defeating John McCain: Hillary Clinton.

Do the right thing Mr. Obama, and drop out now.

I'm watching Hannity and Colmes.

They are replaying the interview they had with Jeremiah Wright they conducted last year with him. And I want to watch it.

Sean Hannity generally makes me ill and Alan Colmes plays his "bitch" too well for it to be a "fair and balanced" show, but ugh, it's worth the nausea to watch the interview.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-rezkomar15,0,2968927.story

Change, change, change, change, change for you...

"Indicted Chicago businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko was a more significant fundraiser for presidential candidate Barack Obama's earlier political campaigns than previously known. Rezko raised as much as $250,000 for the first three offices Obama sought, the senator told the Tribune on Friday.

Obama also said for the first time that his private real estate transactions with Rezko involved repeated lapses of judgment."

Hey Obama, are you RIGHT on day one?

Sen. Hillary Clinton picked up the endorsement of Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl today.

That means she's picked up the mayor of Philadelphia, the mayor of Pittsburgh, and the Governor of Pennsylvania.

COUP!

"California and New York are ALWAYS blue, no matter who is the democratic nominee, I'm sorry, but it's true..."

WRONG. Please reference the map of the 1984 election. If you think that Democrats can just automatically assume California and New York in their camp, ask Mondale how that strategy worked for him.

If Obama can't win these big pivotal states, there's something wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

Two things really stand out to me on his statement:

1) "It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS"

You mean that disease the U.S. Government propagated on the blacks according to Reverend Wright?

2) After reading his entire statement, he denounces his pastor's statements, but still keeps Reverend Wright on his campaign.

This is the change Barack has been promising?