A fragment of my imagination ([info]elgoose) wrote in [info]clean_n_sober,
@ 2008-04-18 10:09:00
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Community maintainer
After the recent bout of trolling in this community, I said something to lj about there not being a community maintainer.

Haha, serves me right, now it's me.

There will be no more trolling or harassment permitted here. Period. If anyone brings a complaint to me or I see ongoing instances of it (looking at you, [info]clonnie), there will be banning.

This needs to be a safe place for people to talk.

That said, I expect to not have to do much in the way of maintenance and am planning accordingly.

Carry on.

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[info]deliverer
2008-04-18 04:16 pm UTC (link)
I hope that there isn't any Christ bashing here. I left the other community because it was ok to tell someone to shove a bible up their ass after they were angry because of the harassment and trolling. I don't personally care how angry a person gets because of someone else's misbehavior. I don't think it is acceptable to bash someone's faith. I also don't personally care whether the troll or the person doing the harassing is serious about his or her faith. That doesn't give anyone free license to insult the faith as a whole.

I joined this group as one of the many ways I use to stay clean. Controversy be damned! If it turns from support into catfights, I'll go away. There are plenty of places to do that and most of them are better at it.

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[info]flower07
2008-04-18 04:31 pm UTC (link)
What is trolling?

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[info]deliverer
2008-04-18 05:21 pm UTC (link)
It's when someone posts something in order to get a reaction from it. Here's an example: "You guyz should lighten up and have some coke & a beer. Only loosers quit drugz." This would get a reaction from someone who has some years of clean time in but not used to online idiocy.

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[info]flower07
2008-04-18 05:54 pm UTC (link)
Thank you.

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[info]deliverer
2008-04-18 06:55 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome. I was glad to help. :)

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[info]elgoose
2008-04-18 07:57 pm UTC (link)
I have no intention of bashing Christ or Christians. I myself am Christian. What I will not tolerate is people harassing others and cloaking it behind evangelizing (or anything else, for that matter). There are plenty of places that this may be appropriate, but this isn't one.

People who feel harassed get angry and say things that might be better left unsaid. I can understand that because I've been there. If I had any self-control at all, I wouldn't be an alcoholic. At the same time, I feel that it's up to any individual to keep their side of the street clean when someone tells them in a reasonable way that they didn't appreciate the form that the angry response took. I don't think it ever has to devolve into a catfight as long as everyone keeps the principles of recovery in mind.

I hear that you don't think it's acceptable to bash another person's faith. I believe that it is not my job to police that behavior from anyone, in this particular forum, unless it becomes a pattern of abuse rather than an angry outburst. To my mind, there is a difference between the two.

I do think that making this a safe place includes trying to keep the angry outbursts to a minimum and encouraging people to deal with the fallout like adults. Faith is one of those things that many people will never agree on, so the point, it seems to me, is to learn to coexist peacefully, to say one's piece when necessary and then let go of the results. Sometimes apologies are called for and sometimes they aren't, but again, that's a matter of practicing the principles of the program, at least to me.

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[info]radiumhead
2008-04-19 12:54 am UTC (link)
If he says anything to me again, I'm gonna tell him to light his bible ON FIRE, and THEN stick it up his ass.

I'm gonna.

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[info]arachnerd
2008-04-19 12:59 am UTC (link)
at least there's a moderator now. :)

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[info]virginiapaints
2008-04-19 09:44 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad there is a maintainer. The person in question has been posting on another community and posting on people's personal journals to further be argumentative. I've had to block him from my personal journal. I feel sorry for him. I think originally his heart was in the right place but his zealousness has blinded him to the harm he is potentially causing others. It's a shame really. He is pushing people away from Christ rather than attracting people to him.

I have been in recovery for over 12 years now but I don't feel that it's my place to put my personal spiritual views in a community such as this one, just like I don't in a meeting. That's what the traditions are for. When I am asked in a personal setting then I have no problem sharing. Maybe if we all pray for him, he will find enough peace within himself to stop attacking others. It's obvious by his hate-filled behavior that he's not working a program of recovery. We need to be understanding as we would with a newcomer.

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