Susan R. Kagan ([info]nolawitch) wrote in [info]childfree,
@ 2005-04-28 22:13:00
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Current mood: pessimistic
Current music:"Dead Babies" - Alice Cooper

To All Who Are Offended by Our Terminology:

We will cease and desist calling children crotch droppings, sprogs, vagina vomit, yard apes, larvae, etc.; mothers moos, entitlemoos, cows, sows, etc.; fathers duhs, sperm donors and other well-deserved pejoratives when the well-behaved child becomes the norm instead of the aberration in society. If you are so upset by our ire, I would suggest you take a look at the horror stories posted in childfree, cf_hardcore and other childfree forums around the Internet. See for yourself exactly what sorts of incidents cause us to have such a dim view of children. Some of the stories illuminate the reprehensible behavior that prompts our disgust. Occasionally, there is a story about a good child, a rarity so precious as to elicit comment. How can you then accuse us of bigotry?

If you are so avid about making the world a child-friendly place, you should train your children to act appropriately and if they can't act appropriately, remove them from the scene. Realize that small children do not belong in certain settings and do not bring them there. If a child cannot sit quietly for long periods of time, do not bring it to a theater and ruin the entertainment for all around you. Children do not belong in restaurants above a McDonalds or Chuck E Cheese until they are able to sit in one place, converse without shrieking and eat without annoying others. They should also not be inflicted upon people in situations where they are trying to concentrate, such as libraries, most office workplaces and museums.

Before the inevitable whine of “but how will they learn unless we take them to those places” escapes your lips, I would suggest that when your child becomes noisy or fidgety, remove it from the scene. Before the equally inevitable whine of “I paid for the ticket, meal or whatever entrance fee; why should I have to leave” resounds, I would suggest that good parenting requires personal sacrifices. Good parenting also consists of making sure your offspring do not negatively impact others. You want to be known as a good parent don't you? You don't want to be merely considered a breeder, do you?

If the good parents are willing to enlist the textbook rotten moos and duhs into properly socializing their crotch droppings, they will take away our ammunition for hatred. Peer pressure can be more powerful than any other force. Some of us would delight in that prospect. We would then be able to chit chat in our childfree forums about the state-of-the-art electronics, fabulous vacations, stylish clothes, spur-of-the-moment activities and a myriad of other things we can afford because we're not shelling out tens of thousands of dollars a year on offspring. We can all rhapsodize about the gourmet meals we feast on regularly at fine restaurants because we don't have to worry about some finicky child's eating habits. We will also be able to discuss the lovely ambiance of said restaurants because there would be a decided lack of ill-behaved children in them.

Speaking of all the money you are spending on your children, do you really think you're getting your money's worth if other people, even other parents, find your offspring to be obnoxious? You might think your getting quality if you spend Lexus-sized amounts of money, but you're certainly not if your child is as reliable and socially attractive as a used Yugo. Do you also think the rest of the world exists to accommodate your child? It does not. The world doesn't exist to accommodate any of us. Our task as arguably intelligent creatures is to adapt to our surroundings. It's your job as a parent to navigate your child toward higher levels of independence and self-sufficiency. Your child is entitled only to what you are able to provide for it. Society only owes you and your offspring the same courtesy you show us. If your child is a horrible little brat, we do not have to put up with it by virtue of it being a child. You as a parent, on the other hand, do have to deal with it in ways that show the child that being a jerk is unacceptable and that do not subject others to its jerkiness. If strangers look askance at your squalling brood, take the hint that they are not behaving properly.

Some of you feel that society should do everything it can to protect your child. Yet when society admonishes you for allowing bad behavior, you say they have no right to tell you how to raise it. You can't have it both ways. If you subscribe to the concept of it taking a village to raise a child, then let the village have its say and do something proactive when someone takes issue with your child's behavior. We will then refrain from further comment as you whisk Junior away to properly chastise and correct him. If you think all it takes is a family to raise a child, then you are solely responsible for keeping all the bad things away from your little darlings and keep them in your own home, thank you very much. You are solely responsible for them turning out well or turning out badly. You cannot blame TV, games, music or other popular scapegoats for your failings as a parent. Don't ask the rest of us to give up our adult oriented entertainments for the sake of your child. It's not our responsibility. Most of the time, the needs of the many (other patrons, diners, neighbors) outweigh the needs of the few (your family) or the one (your child).

Don't give us a sob story about any pitiful circumstances surrounding your family either. We don't care if your husband left you or if your child has ADHD or the affliction of the moment. You chose to have that child and all the glorious or horrible possibilities that entails so suck it up and deal with it. There are too many options for not getting pregnant or for getting rid of a pregnancy or for getting rid of a child. Don't even think of bringing up the “it's against my religion” argument about birth control or abortion. Religion is a choice as well.

Childfree people have been accused of bigotry because we use terminology to evoke our anger with people who simply breed and don't parent. There is a world of difference between hatred based on something someone cannot control, such as race or sexual orientation, and hating someone for something entirely within their control: their actions. Since your minor children are under your control or should be, you again are responsible for their actions. Those who breed do not control their children; those who parent do. If you cannot see the difference, you are beyond the grasp of logic.

Yes, we will tolerate your children when they become tolerable. We will respect them when their actions are respectable.

[Feel free to cross post, link or otherwise use to your fed-up hearts' desires with proper attribution.]



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[info]lisendral
2005-04-29 03:20 am UTC (link)
*APPLAUSE*
*CAT CALLS*

Well said. Damned well said.

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[info]nolawitch
2005-04-29 03:25 am UTC (link)
No wonder my Siamese crawled into my lap; somebody called him.

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[info]nesmith
2005-04-29 03:20 am UTC (link)
Brilliant. *saves to distribute to the next people who try to whine to her*

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[info]ravan
2005-04-29 03:26 am UTC (link)
Nicely done.

See also http://www.livejournal.com/users/ravan/176712.html, "Disability, Accomodation, and Reality", and my comments on parenting disabled kids.

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Yours was awesomely bodacious as well.
[info]nolawitch
2005-04-29 03:35 am UTC (link)
Nobody has to endure the asshattery of others regardless of the age of the asshat.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2005-04-29 05:12 am UTC (Expand)

[info]galadrine
2005-04-29 03:29 am UTC (link)
I'd never heard "Vagina vomit before", I LOVE it!

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[info]phibetafunkay
2005-04-29 03:32 am UTC (link)
BRILLIANT!

*applauds*

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[info]dantc
2005-04-29 03:32 am UTC (link)
Amen.


And: “but how will they learn unless we take them to those places”

I loathe parents who use that whine, especially when it involves nice restaurants and ruining my experience with the shrieks of their offspring. My mom had a novel way of teaching me how to behave properly in such situations: She insisted upon proper table manners during dinner at home. I realize that may not work these days, as parents seem to be too busy trying to be their child's best friend instead of acting like a parent.

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Some families don't even eat together once a week.
[info]nolawitch
2005-04-29 03:39 am UTC (link)
They may truly not know their brat cannot chew with its mouth closed and refrain from acting like a chimpanzee. Of course, that's the parents' faults too. If they don't want to do the hard work involved in civilizing the small simians, they shouldn't have them. Tough fucking titties for them.

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(no subject) - [info]victoriana, 2005-04-29 01:00 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]saadiira, 2005-04-29 01:43 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]victoriana, 2005-04-29 02:17 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ms_daisy_cutter, 2005-05-24 02:42 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]bites_the_sun, 2005-07-05 03:07 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]techno4tomcats
2005-04-29 03:53 am UTC (link)
So much love you. So much! *claps*

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I am so sending this to everyone who told me "sprog" was a "bad word" Thank so much!
[info]magic730dreams
2005-04-29 03:55 am UTC (link)
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Re: I am so sending this to everyone who told me "sprog" was a "bad word" Thank so much!
[info]nolawitch
2005-04-29 04:01 am UTC (link)
If I recall correctly, your previous post prompted this. I sorta dashed out a draft of it in that thread and refined it between other tasks until it reached that point.

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[info]toxic_iguana
2005-04-29 04:02 am UTC (link)
Whoo-hoo!!!!!!
You get a big ice-cream topped piece of my incredible homemade caramel-chocolate-pecan pie.

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[info]kittyblue
2005-04-29 04:13 am UTC (link)
*applauds*

Well said. Adding this to my memories.

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[info]starrika
2005-04-29 04:17 am UTC (link)
Well said, I couldn't have put it better.

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[info]justsayno2kyds
2005-04-29 05:40 am UTC (link)
That is great! I applaud you. I haven't visited those other groups yet. I need to go look.

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[info]unbrevityness
2005-04-29 05:47 am UTC (link)
In a non-LJ childfree community I'm in, someone complained about a member using the term 'breeder'. Apparently it dehumanises people.
But lets be serious here. Some people don't DESERVE to be called human.

I'm adding this to my memories, by the way. I loved it.

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[info]ms_daisy_cutter
2005-05-24 02:43 pm UTC (link)
I saw someone on Metafilter not all that long ago get annoyed when someone used the verb "to breed" in reference to humans, and claimed, "Humans reproduce, animals breed."

Obviously this person is unacquainted with the Duggar litter famblee of Arkansas.

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[info]sevenday
2005-04-29 06:52 am UTC (link)
See, now THAT is what I wish I could have posted to that, erm, person on the other community...

Bravo! *clapclap*

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[info]everwatcher
2005-04-29 07:17 am UTC (link)
"Well done" and "huzzah"! This is my newest LJ memory.

Unfortunately, the general sentiment is far too familiar to far too many of us. I will humbly quote the brilliance of this declaration to all ignorant opposition; a certain band of horrified LJ folk elsewhere could use a heavy dose of this.

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[info]laturner
2005-04-29 07:47 am UTC (link)
Amen.

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[info]kensaro
2005-04-29 08:59 am UTC (link)
I'd like to nominate this as a memorable post.

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off-topic
[info]lettucequeen
2005-04-29 01:21 pm UTC (link)
It that you in the icon? You are very cute.

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[info]desdaemona
2005-04-29 09:22 am UTC (link)
Oh hell yeah! *standing ovation*

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[info]micchi
2005-04-29 06:15 pm UTC (link)
...is it really, REALLY bad that I read that as "ovulation"?

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[info]dances_withcats
2005-04-29 12:34 pm UTC (link)
Amen! Word up! And all that good stuff. I'm fucking sick to DEATH of parents who won't parent their kids and then whine about how it's the schools' job to discipline or socialize them, and then when discipline actually happens at schools, they piss and moan about how the schools "mistreated" their kid by actually having rules and setting boundaries.

My mother raised my brothers and me to be polite, chew with our mouths closed, say please and thank-you, and generally behave like human beings. Even in the early and mid-'70s, when my mother (as a single parent) took us out to dinner or to "adult" meetings (political party functions and stuff) because she couldn't find or afford a sitter, we sat quietly and behaved well to the adults we met, and my mother would often get compliments like, "Your children are so polite and well-behaved--congratulations!" Jesus, all you have to do is model appropriate behavior, expect your kids to follow suit, and enforce those standards and boundaries. Ta-DAH! You get a polite kid who knows how to act better than a baboon in heat.

*sigh*

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[info]victoriana
2005-04-29 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Indeed! *joins cheering throng of admirers*

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[info]eccosophi
2005-04-29 01:06 pm UTC (link)
*dies laughing* YARD APES!!! I never heard that one!!! This a free country....you don't like it? Don't look. PERIOD.

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[info]saadiira
2005-04-29 01:47 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for posting permission to cross post, link, or otherwise use this rant. I'm bookmarking it, cross posting it, etc.

Thank you!

-Dira-

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[info]celestialjen
2005-04-29 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Fan-bloody-tastic.

I hate it when I say that I hate the way kids are dragged up, and that I often hate the obnoxious loud brats that come across my path. I've been accused of being a bigot before, breeders often like to compare me to a racist and I've tried explaining the difference, but it's no good trying to get through to some of these asshats.

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[info]commanderd
2005-04-29 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Great post - did somebody actually get annoyed at this?

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[info]killwinterstar
2005-04-29 02:27 pm UTC (link)
*standing ovation* You say it so well.

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OT
[info]sanguineroses
2005-04-29 03:19 pm UTC (link)
*^_^* Icon <3. That tattoo is so very awesome.

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