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just to let Everyone know...

  • Sep. 6th, 2006 at 10:11 AM
Since I want everyone to be able to see this and not have it screened, I'm posting this here.

I think that [info]tigerwof's post on the death of Steve Irwin was off topic, was a violation of community rules, unnecessarily lead to wankage and confusion for many members of this community, and am frankly upset that the leadership in this community is trying to pass this entire debacle as no big deal. While [info]tigerwolf is entitled to his own opinion, it was unnecessary to come across as gloating over the death of a man in [info]cf_hardcore. [info]tigerwolf has his own journal for this and I'm sure that there is some sort of "I hate Steve Irwin" community somewhere on this vast Internet that he could have made this post. As a member who actively participates in this community, I'm concerned over its future, if recent events are any indicator. I'm am tired of seemingly random moderator decisions, such as the demotion of other moderators, that effect a community with nothing being said to its members. It would behoove the leadership to inform the community when actions such as this are taken so members can be aware of the direction their community, and often safe haven, are taking. I hope [info]cf_hardcore will be better than before, and that I won't be so bitterly disappointed again.

Comments

[info]illusionmajik wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 02:54 pm (UTC)
You, m'dear, are a eloquent voice of reason
Im not that good
Mine is kind of a more
"I'm right, you're wrong, and my metaphorical balls are mighty and swing pendulously"
But that's just me
[info]amoveo wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 03:03 pm (UTC)
*cues ACDC* XD
(no subject) - [info]micchi - Sep. 6th, 2006 05:12 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]amoveo wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 03:03 pm (UTC)
Now *this* is diplomacy of the honest and straight forwards type. Encore, encore! A+!
[info]shivedheart wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 03:08 pm (UTC)
Agreed.

To gloat over anyone's death is crass. I still don't understand the deletion of the community. But there should be some sort of action taken over the wankage that ensued. Many of us know what it's like to lose a parent. Regardless of my feelings on children, I would not wish this on anyone.

Having said that, I shall shut up now :)
[info]ecchipiro wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 03:36 pm (UTC)
Agreed.

Deleting the whole community over a simple post is just pathetic.

I hope next time any annoying posts appear they get deleted instead. Like in any other community, too.
[info]iris_spiorad wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 05:49 pm (UTC)
Ditto.
[info]theclamsman wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 03:49 pm (UTC)

I must be the only one in this community who didn't read his post (in this comm, rather, not the post in his personal journal) as gloating, and I've SEEN people in here gloat over stupid things, including violence against shitlings and whatnot.

I guess I'm just defective, then.

But then how much more off topic was the Steve Irwin Crocabyebaby mention than the speculation that peoples' parents failed them? THAT post belongs in a community for generalized Stupid People Hate, and really isn't particularly childfree hardcore, but no one complained about that.

Jesus Christ on a fucknut, get over it all and move on, people.
[info]no_father wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 03:57 pm (UTC)
The bottom line is that this is [info]cf_hardcore. Irwin was a breeder--I don't care if he was your fucking glorified TV personality--he was a breeder plain and simple. This is [info]cf_hardcore, not some ball-less sack of crap like childfree or 'Child-friendly' community.

We're here because we acknowledge children are stupid, vacuous wastes of space and the BREEDERS that keep spawning them are completely and utterly wastes on society. You don't like that simple fact? Go gah-gah over baby Suri and dream about what it would be like to have Tom Cruise's baby. Otherwise, grow the fucking hell up already. [info]tigerwolf did a responsible thing, and the ONLY reason people got so upset is because they worship television and movie stars. If it was the jerkwad sitting behind you in a restaurant who got stabbed by his kid because he let them play with a steak knife, you people would be all over yourselves laughing.

[info]tigerwolf, I salute you, sir.
[info]foolonthehill wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 04:08 pm (UTC)
Not ALL of us think that children are wastes of space, and not all of us think that having one kid is a breeder. How did he do a responsable thing by doing what he did?
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[info]directobscurity wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 04:17 pm (UTC)
Right, EVERYONE with childrend deserves to die.

Being childfree is one of the most diverse groups that exist. People are childfree for plethora of reasons and many of them have nothing to do with thinking babies are "wastes of space" and that all people who produce any deserve to be called breeders and trotted about comically after they die.

There is so much hate here its ridiculous. I understand some people just hate babies, that's fine and I'm perfectly tolerant of that but violence and "wank" as people have been putting it is just immature and uncalled for.
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[info]khaman wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 04:51 pm (UTC)
...Sooo.. if people pop one out AND make major contributions to the environment/animal conservation/(insert your major charity-ish hobbyhorse here) - the fact they popped one out overrides all other considerations? When their TV persona has only a tiny bit to do with their fucking kids and focuses mostly on animals?

This is a guy who lived in a modest house, made millions of dollars, and sunk most of that money into buying land around Australia so thumb-twiddling condo assholes couldn't go buying it up and developing over habitat. I find that a lot more important than his kids. I could give a shit about the kids.

Parent does not equal breeder. I have no information, opinion, or care on whether Steve Irwin was either. I care that he did more for animals in 44 years of life than what you will in 60-90 years of being a twunt.
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[info]lettucequeen wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
Good god let's not start this shit again.
[info]coanteen wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 08:42 pm (UTC)
WTF? So it's on topic to post about the deaths of anyone who's had kids, even if their death wasn't kid-related? Just because they've bred sometime in the past, their death is automatically on topic for this comm?

Hell, the vast majority of adults have had kids. Would it be ok if I copy my newspaper's obit colums here daily? I'll try to only include the breeders, just to stay within the rules.
(no subject) - [info]ehartsay - Sep. 6th, 2006 10:08 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]jamieofavalon - Sep. 7th, 2006 12:25 am (UTC) Expand
[info]jamieofavalon wrote:
Sep. 7th, 2006 12:19 am (UTC)
Uhm.. no Irwin was not a breeder. He was a good parent. Unlike your own parents apparantly.

fucking troll
[info]velvet_is_hot wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 04:36 pm (UTC)
I think this entire thing is completely stupid. Let's all remember that there was AT LEAST one other post about Steve Irwin, which was EQUALLY FUCKING OFF TOPIC. The difference is people are pissed because [info]tigerwolf gloated over his death--which quite frankly, tons of us have done here.

That's why it's childfree hardcore. I am seriously sick of this hypocrisy. I may not have agreed with [info]tigerwolf's statements, but I do think he had every right to say what he did. The people who trolled his and Latisha's journals, the people who left death threats (seriously, people, grow the fuck up!), the people who flipped out because their opinions didn't match--maybe THEY should be banned.

I don't see why everyone is so upset over this. When that plane went down recently, I cracked a joke about how if I was on a plane with 45 kids, I would have tried to crash it too. Yeah, over 100 people died and I made fun. I got a lot of laughs over that one. And let's be honest here, people, if [info]tigerwolf had said, "hey, a couple years ago, this guy who works at the zoo was carrying around his baby while feeding dangerous animals, and now he's been killed by a docile one, haha isn't that funny!" people would have loved it. It's still bloody off topic, but so is any other post about the guy here. It's only because it's Steve Irwin that anyone gives a flying shit.

Please people, grow the hell up...stop making new entries about it, pissing and moaning the same ridiculous ideas that made us all leave [info]childfree. Is anyone else but me more concerned about bullshit like this post ruining the community than [info]tigerwolf's mocking of Steve Irwin? This is so fucking stupid.
[info]velvet_is_hot wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 04:37 pm (UTC)
*edit* Tons of us haven't gloated over Steve Irwin's death, but tons of us have gloated over the deaths of random people and/or kids--completely jokingly. Please excuse my lack of clarity.
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[info]queenb727 wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 05:12 pm (UTC)
Exactly. People don't like tigerwolf. If anyone else had made the post there would have been much less drama.
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[info]somechemstudent wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 08:23 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry. I should have made the main concern in mind more prominent in this post. My main concern is not [info]tigerwolf's post, but what happened afterward. If it had been just some wank, I wouldn't have bothered to involve myself. Unfortunately, that's not all that happened. It's the events from the deletion of this community to the lack of understanding to what is happening to the leadership of this community that prompted this post.

I also agree with you on the trolling of people's personal journals. I looked at Latisha's journal when the community was deleted and was upset at the anonymous posts in her journal. It was uncalled for, and I hope if any of these jackasses can be tracked that LJ abuse takes action.
[info]curlyjo1 wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 05:14 pm (UTC)
Don't expect much.
[info]raeshena wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 05:22 pm (UTC)
Steve Irwin died because of his job. His job was in no way related to his kids. His kids weren't there, his kids dind't cause it, he wasn't trying to save his kids and he wasn't trying to save someone else's kids.

His death was not connected to children, or the fact that he was a father in anyway.

So why is it that people can post comments about his death, saying he deserved it and that they're glad, simply because he had kids? It's hypotritical and pathetic.

I know, I'll make a post about a firefighter who died in the line of duty, but I'll belittle his memory and his family because he had kids! LOLZ
[info]ellimayhem wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 07:03 pm (UTC)
Coming from a neutral party who hasn't had a damn thing to say in this entire three wank opera, I must correct you on one point.

Dude was in fact filmeing for *his daughter's show* when the incident occurred. This was printed in numerous articles all over the world and is confirmed. So in a very real way, yes, Virginia, his kids were involved somehow.

Only other thing I have to say before I get off my soapbox of truth is that there is a tremendous difference between rejoicing in the death of a person and finding gallows humor in the irony of the *way* they died. Most people here were acting as if they were one and the same. They are not.

Finally, the hand wringing, overreaction, and sarcasm isn't attractive on either side of the arena. Won't someone please invoke Godwin and put this circus to sleep? Ah well.

And now I'm returning to my "fuck this wank, I'm staying out of it" corner.
(no subject) - [info]ehartsay - Sep. 6th, 2006 10:12 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]queenb727 wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 07:26 pm (UTC)
People were happy when Jon Benet Ramsey's mom died. Her death was from cancer and in no way related to her kid. I didn't see anyone calling out the OP of that post (and I think there were 2 posts like that) so I still see this as hypocricy.
(no subject) - [info]somechemstudent - Sep. 6th, 2006 07:44 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]queenb727 - Sep. 6th, 2006 07:56 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]tsorton wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 06:00 pm (UTC)
Tigerwolf's post was not a troll and did not break any rules. Resulting wank had more to do with "WHO" posted it. I doubt it would have had that much attention if it was someone else but Tigerwolf.
Had it being a post about Michael Jackson there would have being a friggin FESTIVAL. of people celebrating his death, regardless who posted it. THAT is a hypocrisy of a highest degree.

(Almost) everyone who jumped into that thread is guilty of creating a wankfest and behaing like immature morons. No one is going to be banned.




[info]somechemstudent wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 07:24 pm (UTC)
I don't believe that you can verify this, but I chose not to include myself in that entire thread. It was, in my opinion, stupid, not really related to cf, and I passed it by and ignored it, like I do to many other posts. That was until one of my favorite communities up and disappeared. Also, please note that I didn't call for the banning of [info]tigerwolf in this post. But when asked if I would like to see him banned I did say yes. (For me, it is not just the result of his recent post. I also voted for leadership that I think I can trust since I have seen her in cf communities, and not to ban the poster on the poll because of that specific post.) However, it is the moderators' decision. If I could make a suggestion, could I suggest a warning system? However, having never run a community, never mind one as large as [info]cf_hardcore I have no idea if this is a sane suggestion. And in the future I would really like to see things that cause this much unrest in the community and changes in moderator control, to be more transparent. Maybe using public posts in the moderator community to inform members who are interested.

And while I don't believe I would act like you described in the Micheal Jackson situation, due to my own experiences, I do concede that it would probably be the case. And it is, as you said, hypocrisy of the highest degree.
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[info]subordinate wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 08:29 pm (UTC)
I think this is all fairly pathetic. Personally, having not read the post, I can't support or blast tigerwolf. I'm not happy he died, because I'm an anti-war pacifist loser like that. However, I DON'T really give a shit how nice of a guy or how supposedly "great" he was in animal conservation. People here bemoan child abusers all the time, and talk about how these people shouldn't breed or raise kids because they're so stupid and/or heartless, yet we're supposed to give Croc Man a big slap on the back and justify his obvious disregard for his own son's life? Whatever, I say, it's one more fucked up parent who kicked the can. I guess I'm thankful this happened before he inflicted any real harm on his son.
[info]lunarwhirl wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2006 09:33 pm (UTC)
A-FUCKING-MEN.

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