alittlelesswild ([info]alittlelesswild) wrote in [info]capsule,
@ 2006-03-24 21:35:00
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View of Zabriskie from the road behind Mac & the library. Taken this afternoon.

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[info]ferdette
2006-03-25 02:58 am UTC (link)
ohhhh the trees! or, what's left of them... :(


that picture makes me think of The Lorax. and it makes my heart very very sad.

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[info]crazytacolady
2006-03-25 03:43 am UTC (link)
I just wonder what they are going to do for the accepted students days in April. I mean, it's not like the tours can really avoid this...can they?

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[info]dreagoddess
2006-03-25 04:07 am UTC (link)
...This makes me cry. Geez.

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[info]sasha1372
2006-03-25 06:14 am UTC (link)
They have to cut down the trees so that they have room for the machines to manuver and also so that they can build walkways around the building when it's done. Besides, with the digging, they most likely would have dug up the trees' roots anyway, and then the trees would die and be falling hazards.

They can still take tours from Macmillan to the library. Pain in the arse, but then, they can use this construction as just something new to offer to the perspectives.

But I do wish they could have left at least some of the trees up. The place looks like a wasteland without them.

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[info]crazytacolady
2006-03-26 03:12 am UTC (link)
they can use this construction as just something new to offer to the perspectives.

That is true, but I can't help but think that some will be discouraged from coming to Wells. After all, noisy construction and pedestrian hassles are going to be taking place their whole freshmen year.

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[info]femmelerouge
2006-03-25 06:39 am UTC (link)
It is sad. but no one promised that the construction would be beautiful... I mean, after all, we're graduating at the Inn.

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[info]adfhftvk_jj
2006-03-25 06:10 pm UTC (link)
i have to admit, 05 might have been shafted but you guys (06) really did get the whole cock and balls.

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[info]flyingjesus2007
2006-03-25 09:41 pm UTC (link)
hey, that looks pretty now....

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[info]alumnae
2006-03-25 10:27 pm UTC (link)
Wow. It looks like most all the trees along the library ravine have been destroyed. Hope that doesn't encourage construction debris to wash down into the gully and on out to the lake -- the source of drinking water for the campus and village.

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[info]bananas13217
2006-03-26 11:55 pm UTC (link)
It upset me alot to see the pictures, I hate the way campus looks right now. However, they're doing construction to build a new science building. How pretty did you think it was going to look? I'm sure they've consulted the enviro and bio professors about this and even if they didn't I doubt they wouldn't just let construction start without putting in their opinions.

Also, just so people who aren't here any more realize, they didn't pave anything. They put gravel down, yes, it's still ugly, but its necessary, and also not permanent.

How many of you have actually been in the science building? Did you have to work in the lab where rusty water was leaking down the wall, because something was broken in the lab above it? Are the tiles peeling off the floor in your classrooms? Is the paint peeling off the walls in your classroom due to water damage? Did you know that pidgeons have died because sometimes they nest in the hoods? Yes, hoods are necessary, they're what get rid of all the chemicals in the air so students don't pass out and die. For most of the lecture halls, most of the rows of seats are no longer bolted into the floor and broken. Most of the equipment needs to be replaced because it only works occasionally. Yes, there are new things, but not nearly enough new equipment to replace all the equipment we have. Also, there is no elevator in the building. Students need to carry chemicals up and down the stairs in order to complete experiments, and usually at least one person drops things on the floor.

I know this is not very cool, but how else did you think this building was going to get built? For the sake of the campus, please stop complaining about the construction!!!

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[info]ferdette
2006-03-27 02:37 am UTC (link)
right, but....the trees :(
This is the only part of your reply that I worry about: I'm sure they've consulted the enviro and bio professors about this and even if they didn't I doubt they wouldn't just let construction start without putting in their opinions.

Does anyone know if they actually did consult the science profs? Maybe this is just me being cynical and jaded, but I really wouldn't be all that surprised if they didn't. And I'm totally not an environmental science kid, so I could be wrong, but this just strikes me as not so good for the environment, let alone the plethora of rare plant species in the area that I feel are probably gone now.
Does anyone know what they plan to do for the plants and trees that they've destroyed after they finish the science building? Are they going to replant them or replenish them at all? I don't know -- they may have already planned all of this out, but....they also very well may not have. Which wouldn't surprise me at all.


And then, I also fear for what the already angry, ninja-crazy squirrels are going to do in retaliation for the destruction of their homes. Seriously, guys. Watch out for that.

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(no subject) - [info]m_funk_, 2006-03-27 05:36 am UTC
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[info]bananas13217
2006-03-27 04:33 am UTC (link)
hey roommate...

I'm pretty sure they did consult the science professors (they consulted them for the woods lot, so I'm sure they consulted them for their own building. About replanting treees, there isn't going to be room to plant trees...the science building is going to take up all of the space they cut the trees down for. And realistically, even though they cut down quite a bit of trees, think about how many trees they would have had to cut down in order to build the original buildings on campus. If they didn't cut down trees we would never have had a college to go to.

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[info]jennieseyes
2006-03-28 12:20 am UTC (link)
you say that like that would be a bad thing.

and i love science majors, you KNOW that, but how many science majors are there at WELLS, or how many are they expecting, not that they can know right now. This science building will rival or surpass Macmillian in size which houses just about everything else but music and art. Why would they not fix up Zab first since they're still going to "use it." Yes i understand those walls can't be moved, but there's NOTHING else they can do aside from building a whole new building? Hell in Macmillian all they can do is promise to repaint a couple of walls each year and throw in a few new computers.
ps, i'm writing this from Smith, a fantastic paradise EVERYONE should transfer to:)

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[info]funlikebunnies
2006-03-28 04:25 am UTC (link)
I just have to say in response to the comments about asking the profs that I know for a fact that the professors were consulted on everything down to how they wanted their labs to look. I know that in the past Wells has done things quickly and badly but they took every precaution and did everything they were supposed to do when it came to this building. I also want to say that even though I'm sad that the trees are gone I'm really glad that they're putting in this building. It's very sad when you have to travel a half an hour to CCC to have lab because ours are below par. All the other majors have every thing they need, why shouldn't us science majors get it too? Zabriskie is old and outdated and dangerous and I don't think renovating it would fix it, it's about time they do something about it. I know that it looks ugly but I've seen pictures of what the new building is going to look like and it's beautiful. It's going to be brick and everything so it'll fit right in. Construction is a way of life, it's annoying but it's a necessary annoyance.

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[info]flyingjesus2007
2006-03-30 11:58 pm UTC (link)
"even though I'm sad that the trees are gone I'm really glad that they're putting in this building."
Same here and Im totally not a science major...

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All Hail the Science majors!
[info]stir_the_pot
2006-03-29 02:48 am UTC (link)
Ok, I figured since everyone else was chiming in I might as well put my two cents in.

1) To all the non-science majors (since those are the folks who are complaining): I think you should be UTTERLY ashamed of yourselves. Wells is a School that has always prided itself, and is ALWAYS fighting about/for the concept of Diversity and female empowerment. But those of you who are putting posts up complaining about such things as "whhhaaaaa we can't graduate in front of Macmillan! Whaaaa let's riot!" should probably take a step back and think about how hypocritical you are being. Instead of SUPPORTING your Wells Sisters who are trying to break into male dominated fields such as Science and Math, You are, instead, trying to handicap them further by stating they should stay in a building that is unsafe using equipment that is sub-par if not ancient. You have to understand, while you can learn the "newest theories" on some subjects (humanities, for example) from a text book, SCIENCE requires things like EQUIPMENT and FACILITIES; It is your Wells sisters whom have had to make do with the sub par for both of these items and are STILL competing against the best other schools have to offer. But why would you handicap them when they DO have to compete with such schools like Cornell, RIT, and every other university? Making such statements as “well why don’t they build a new building for the other majors on campus” is really just displaying your ignorance and greed. Ignorance because if the science majors LEAVE Zabriske WHO DO YOU THINK IS GETTING THE BUILDING? Mayhaps one of the OTHER majors? Hmmmm….As for the Greed, I have been In Zabriskie (I would imagine many of you have not) and that building is NOT by far as nice as Macmillan and its population is far overdue for a move to a new building.
2) What is all this crap about “the trees man? The trees! Oh the erosion is going to poison the water supply!?” I mean seriously. Up until now I doubt any of you complainers gave 2 damns about the trees. This is the sort of NIMBY (Not in My Back Yard) attitude which gets ACTUAL environmentalists…say perhaps the scientists that will be going into the new building, royally pissed off. You don’t care about the trees; you just want something to complain about. And though I fully respect the college student’s rite to complain about everything and anything, you could at least A) pick a battle that is worth fighting and B) don’t act so two faced about it.
3) As someone who actually knows a thing or two about construction: Construction in ALL forms is one of the MOST regulated professions in the known universe. All new construction needs to have Permits before it can be started. Instead of me going on and on and on about this please refer to this handy little link which references “New York State DEC Stormwater Information” which in particular references the material you need (http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dow/mainpage.htm) . But even IF you didn’t know anything about construction permits I bet you can BELIEVE the administration is really on top of everything. Because not ONLY would they have the DEC on their backs but they know they have nit-picking student criticizers, much like some who have written responses to this particular post, who would do ANYTHING to disrupt the process. And if THAT’s not enough I’m sure the Aurora Community, known for being incredibly liberal, would ALSO complain if they were too far out of line. For these reasons believe me I’m sure they’ll be up on everything.
4) What is this deal about people who don’t attend Wells making Bad statements about what is going on there?! YOU BAILED ON THE CAMPUS. You LEFT instead of sticking it out with those who truly love and support the campus. Why do you feel the need to poison the population who stayed behind with your defeatist and generally intolerant attitude? Maybe you felt that you had to leave because you were against what the administration was doing. That’s fine you took a stand. But at least have the Juevos to stand by your convictions but respect those who stayed behind. YOU LEFT accept it move on and stop wasting everyone’s time.

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Re: All Hail the Science majors!
[info]mythrilmalorn
2006-03-29 02:58 am UTC (link)
I think I love you! Thanks

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Re: All Hail the Science majors! - [info]m_funk_, 2006-03-29 02:59 am UTC
Re: All Hail the Science majors! - [info]smartkids_pukey, 2006-03-29 03:00 am UTC
Re: All Hail the Science majors!
[info]joyfulgurl
2006-03-29 04:00 am UTC (link)
i'm a wells alum who currently works for the DEC in Albany. i can safely say that the DEC, being the large entitiy that it is, has more important concerns than riding the backs of wells college and its permits. i think you would be rather appalled and surprised to realize how little environmental "policy" is actually put into practice after being archived in the great halls of our governmental agencies.

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[info]ferdette
2006-03-29 05:01 am UTC (link)
*sigh*
I have so, so many problems with the assumptions you make here, and I know that I should really just let it go, but...like I could ever do that. Just a couple quick(ish) responses:
1) You don't know me, and probably not the other people that are sad about the tree situation. I'd appreciate you not making assumptions about what we care about and what we don't and when we care about it, and not discredit our complaints based on some completely baseless assumption about people you do not know. Kthanks.
2) Like Mastrolia (joyfulgurl) said, the DEC doesn't care so much about a little town in the Middle of Nowhere, Cayuga County. It'd be sweet if they did, but they don't.
3) As for the "nit-picking student criticizers" comment? Ha. You act like the administration gives a rat's ass about said criticizers. News flash: they don't.

4) And, finally, something that comes up in pretty much every capsule entry where people who transferred (eg me) and people who graduated comment and get shot down because we're not there anymore:
As for those who graduated, I know you're not trying to say they don't have an investment in Wells anymore. Because that'd just be, um, wrong.
As for us kids who transferred...just because we left Wells doesn't mean we don't still care about it. I have a lot of friends still at Wells, and I care a lot what the rest of their years are going to be like. And I, myself, put a hell of a lot of time into that school, and I'd rather not see it go to shit. And even though I left, I still love Wells with all most of my heart, and I'm never going to not care about it. So yes, I'm going to be concerned when I hear that things aren't so peachy keen. And maybe this little lj community isn't the best place to voice my opinions, but it's the only thing that the kids who transferred and those who graduated have. So lay off, please. Thanks.

-Jen LaBarbera

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Re: All Hail the Science majors!
[info]adfhftvk_jj
2006-03-29 07:18 am UTC (link)
Rather than setting up a new livejournal account and responding to you- I thought I should say this: in response ""whhhaaaaa we can't graduate in front of Macmillan! Whaaaa let's riot!"" who the fuck do you think you are? first off, everyone is entitled to their opinion. secondly, these women were not only stripped away from their only chance of graduating from an all women’s college, they cant enjoy the last morsel of what wells brings aesthetically, to their campus- lets not forget that they graduate like all their preceding wells sisters have done.
2. your NIMBY statement. your right, our arguments may be similar to the "NIMBY attitude". but now lets talk about the NIMBY SYNDROME for a sec. the NIMBY syndrome was a popular resistance regarding the necessity of a better environmental management programs. it gave rise to the numerous administrative reforms --> environmental protection. it isn’t so much that the ACTUAL environmentalists get pissed off by the NIMBY affect- as you call it- what pisses most people off is the lack of environmental justice that results from the NIMBY movement. as for your comment on "you don’t care about the trees; you just want something to complain about"..fuck it i don’t even want to comment on that. It’s becoming more and more apparent that you really don’t know what wells is about. you say that "you could at least pick a battle that’s worth fighting and B) don’t act so two faced about it"... a bit hypocritical don’t you think? seeing how there’s no information about you, no journal entrees or any of that sort im going to say that you probably got yourself a pseudo name just to respond to this ervyones comments. l believe your response to everyone’s action is by far the longest one posted.
3. "As someone who actually knows a thing or two about construction" what a condescending thing to say. as for your comment on permits and such. either you live in a world of fantasy or you really have no clue as to what goes on. as a person that works for the State, I know that there are permits that are being frequently distributed. lets talk environmental policy for a minute or two. Unfortunately because each local zone is environmentally different from each other (meaning no two zones are exactly alike), it’s nearly impossible for state agencies (such as the DEC) to address each and every environmental concern. most people will find that developers will adhere to the minimal requirements, which mean they would take the most convenient/ cheapest route to do their jobs. as for the dec... read my roommates comment.
4. your comment about those not attending wells yet making bad statements... although i kind of agree on some level, I should let you know that yes i might not be at wells; I graduated. I might not go there but i sincerely hope that your connection to wells doesn’t end after you (if you even go to wells) have graduated.

JIN JOO 05'
biology major


dont get me wrong. im glad we're finally getting the building so many of us were promised. but did they have to do it now? weeks before graduation? regardless, as much as i disagree with you, i still stand by my comment on everyone is entitled to their opinion.

ps does anyone know whether or not the SU is done? they were suppose to finish over te summer werent they? i thought so

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Re: All Hail the Science majors! - [info]m_funk_, 2006-03-29 05:44 pm UTC
Re: All Hail the Science majors! - [info]stir_the_pot, 2006-03-29 08:06 pm UTC
Re: All Hail the Science majors! - [info]adfhftvk_jj, 2006-03-30 02:23 am UTC
Re: All Hail the Science majors! - [info]adfhftvk_jj, 2006-03-30 05:41 am UTC
Re: All Hail the Science majors! - [info]stir_the_pot, 2006-03-29 08:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rokkid, 2006-04-06 03:37 am UTC
Re: All Hail the Science majors! - [info]alittlelesswild, 2006-03-29 08:13 pm UTC

[info]bananas13217
2006-03-29 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Posting the picture was a good idea. Even though it was upsetting to see when I was home over break, I think it would have been more upsetting if I had come back to it and not had any warning.

How can you say that the non-science majors in the senior class support the construction? It does not seem very supportive to me if people in the senior class complain about the construction, having to move graduation, and try to convince the administration to postpone the construction?

The senior class is the first class to graduate from a co-ed Wells. However, there are no men graduating in your class. This construction will also effect at least the Junior class, which has at least 1 or 2 men graduating in it. Last time I checked, the Junior class hadn't lodged any major complaints about the construction, or our graduation, which will NOT be taking place in front of macmillian either.

The senior class, yes, is not getting the best deal in the world, but for one, I would appreciate it if the people who are doing the most complaining would stop and think about how the Junior (and the sophomore) class has gotten just as shafted, if not more.

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[info]rainbowpuddingp
2006-03-29 11:58 pm UTC (link)
"How can you say that the non-science majors in the senior class support the construction? It does not seem very supportive to me if people in the senior class complain about the construction, having to move graduation, and try to convince the administration to postpone the construction?"

I can say that I, for one, support the construction of the new science building-- it's about damn time. (Remember when the seniors of 05 were supposed to thesis in the new building?). For myself at least, it sucks to not be able to graduate in front of Macmillan. That's it. That is my one complaint, but I'm not very concerned about it, because it could be worse.

Just because people complain because we can't graduate in front of Macmillan does NOT mean there are not a large number of seniors and people in other classes (as well as alumnae) who support the construction.

Furthermore-- being "shafted" by the administration is not a contest by any means. Numerous people were hurt by the decision to go coed, and from my perspective-- we didn't even have the OPTION to transfer as juniors when the decision was made. That is where a huge amount of hurt comes in, for me at least. Why are you bitching about not being able to bitch? Bitch away, but don't jump to conclusions about the ENTIRE senior, junior, sophomore, or freshmen classes.

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[info]alittlelesswild
2006-03-30 12:41 am UTC (link)
I can say that I'm supporting the science majors because I'm not trying to be a fucking martyr about the science building issue. I wanted to graduate in front of Macmillan AND I want there to be a new science building. Wrap your brain around THAT. Not every change that takes place on this campus has to be a fucking cause celebre.

We are Wells women. The way we learned it, tradition is important. So we looked into how the construction might begin AND how we might simulateneously have commencement in the traditonal place. We're SUPPOSED to be asking these questions. And I'm sorry, but last time I checked, it was okay for me to complain about anything I like without my response to inconvenience reflecting one way or another on my ability to support my classmates. Would you have told me that I wasn't supporting the co-ed protest if I had (hypothetically) complained about losing my stuff when the tents were cleaned up? Come the fuck on.


And as for who's complaining, it seems to me that the "people who are doing the most complaining" are those making the unfounded accusations about what "the senior class" does or doesn't think. Mea culpa, mea culpa, your life is so much worse than mine. Your pain over co-education is not any greater or lesser than anybody else at this college so let's all cut the martyr crap, shall we?

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[info]alumnae
2006-03-29 10:21 pm UTC (link)
Please note: We understand that the Village of Aurora Planning Board did NOT require a full Environmental Impact Study of this project before finishing a truncated version of the required State Environmental Quality Review and issuing the building permits.

A Thought: Has no one asked about a 2006 graduation in front of Main Building? Traditionally, that's where it was before Macmillan was built, and it seems as though Main lawn could still could be a very suitable and scenic location.

And a Question: Does anyone know what the new and long-awaiting and much-needed science building will be called?







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[info]bananas13217
2006-03-29 11:22 pm UTC (link)
As far as I know the name of the building is still undecided.

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