phoodie04 ([info]phoodie04) wrote in [info]canada_jrock,
@ 2008-03-27 16:41:00
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Maximum the Hormone concert report
Below is my report of MTH at the Kathedral in Toronto, Saturday March 8, 2008;

Maximum the Hormone played at the Kathedral, part of the Big Bop three-level venue as part of Canadian Music Week. That Saturday had just brutal weather. It was really hard to get around town. I took a cab from my hotel to a friend's place for dinner, and then we drove to the concert afterwards. He didn't live too far away, so it wasn't really bad getting there, but I imagine that anyone living outside of downtown Toronto was not going to get in that night. This is a bad thing for J-Rock in Canada, of course, because the promoters pay close attention to turnout at these events. I met MTH's management at the CMW conference on Friday, and it was apparent that this was an experiment for them, putting the band into a festival and hoping to get broader exposure beyond the core anime crowd. I hope they weren't too disappointed, because turnout was pretty bad. I estimated about 70 people at the point MTH started to set up; it may have grown to 100 but no larger. MTH were by far the bigest draw that night. On the other hand, it was great for those of us who were there. I showed up at the venue about 8:30, had a short wait for the doors to be opened, and got to see a great band in a tiny (and grotty, ugh!) venue with a small audience. I dragged along an old high-school friend who lives in Toronto, and met some nice people in line who were huge fans of MTH. Once we got in, I went straight to the merch table. They had T-Shirts and Buiiki Kaesu CDs ($15 each! Cheap!). I grabbed a couple of t-shirts; they only had XL left, and those sold out almost right away (it is possible to get a t-shirt altered by a tailor? I'll have to find out). That's what always happens when you catch a show at the end of its tour like that.

The MTH members entered while we were waiting in line, and the Kathedral doesn't really have a backstage area, so Ryo, Nawo and Futoshi (OK, that's what I always call him: I'm really uncomfortable using Japanese suffixes and there's no way I can call a man I don't know ANYTHING-chan) were hanging around in one corner near the door, and Daisuke was wandering around the venue with a cloth held over his face. I was really struck by how short they were, especially Ryo and Daisuke. I know, that sounds terrible, but you don't really notice it with a girl, and Futoshi is so skinny it seems proportionate, but with the other two guys, they're so stocky they just seemed really brick-shaped, you know? Anyhow, for the first part of the opening band's performance (they were from Australia, called Late Nite Access. I thought they weren't bad, by the way), MTH were happy to chat with any fans that approached them, but eventually they seemed to go into a sort of preparatory mode, and their people gently waved off anyone who approached. Then the first band finished and we all moved up towards the stage.

Late Nite Access had some sort of promo going with little cards and condoms stuck to them which were all over the bar and the stage. As the band and crew set up, they picked these up and Futoshi was handing a few of them to the boys at the front of the stage with this goofy, not-quite-embarrassed grin on his face. Nawo was wearing some sort of shirt for an Australian rock festival (whether that was in support of the first band or somewhere they have played, I have no idea), and her hair was long, wavy and had a burgundy tint . Ryo had his usual shorts, short socks and flip flops (and some awesome dreads!), Daisuke shorts and a t-shirt, and Futoshi went shirtless and barefoot (which was brave; it was cold in there!). I tried to get as close to the front, left side because I love that bass-man, and ended up about 2-3 people back, maybe 3 feet from the stage, not too bad. Started to get really excited when I heard some familiar chords in the tune-up. I tried to take down the playlist. To the best of my knowledge, here it is:
What's Up, People
Rock Impo Goroshi
Zetsubou Billy
Louisiana Bob
Shimi
Koi no Megalover
The show was AMAZING. Very short, unfortunately, only about 30 minutes. HOWEVER, it was frenetic! If anyone reading this has seen Debu vs Debu, or any other live footage, you'll know that they are always super high-energy. Daisuke is like the Energizer Bunny! But seriously, they were even more hyper here. Maybe when you are only doing a half hour set you don't have to hold back AT ALL, because OMG, it was just that much faster and more intense. Maybe its partly the real live vs the taped live difference, I don't know, but it really seemed different to me. I was a little worried at first because Nawo's vocals in What's Up People didn't seem to come through that clearly at first, but after her first vocal they came through loud and clear and were really beautiful throughout. Even my Torontonian friend, who wasn't really into the band and stood smirking at the back, leaving me to my fate among the moshers, was pretty impressed with her. Speaking of moshing, I lasted until part-way through Rock Impo Goroshi before I had to pull back, but even then I was still about 6 feet from the stage. Given that they play to thousands in Japan, that's pretty cool! Daisuke was singing right up against the front row, almost with his chest right into the audience. Futoshi was running around like a madman-now the stage at the Kathedral is TINY; somehow they made it feel about 5 X bigger, with the amount of movement they brought to that stage. I don't really know how they accomplished that. Daisuke and Nawo were talking to the crowd a lot. Given that their English is limited (and their manager had warned me ahead of time that they didn't really speak the language) they actually did amazingly well in communicating. First of all, they are FEARLESS. I know when I try to speak in Hindi or French, I am so self-conscious I tend to freeze up. They just didn't give a damn: spoke in English when they could, Japanese when they couldn't, mixed them together with lots of screaming and smiling and body language. They led the crowd in a brief version of the hand-clap-bend-over-backwards routine they do in their concert videos, and it looked like at least a few in the audience knew the routine. I had planned to spend the last couple of songs standing a little farther back so that I could see the whole stage at once, but before I could it was over. Much too soon. But what a great 30 minutes!
After they left the stage, they went to an area at the back of the club and signed autographs and took pictures with fans. I hung out with the managers a bit, and then went up to get autographs. I had brought both my Buiiki Kaesu and Rock Impo Goroshi CDs with me, and since they were selling the Buiiki Kaesu CD there, I decided to get them to sign the other one. I was curious to see if they would notice that I had a CD that I would have had to import to get ahold of. And they did! First Daisuke signed it and asked me, really excitedly "Where you get this? Where you get this?" I said "HMV Japan" and he pumped his fists in the air. Then I went over to Nawo, and when she saw the CD she stared me in the eye, pointed at the CD and said "You? You? You?" At first I wasn't sure what she meant, but I figured it was probably the same thing as Daisuke, so I said" Yes. it's my CD. I got it from HMV Japan." She grabbed the arm of the woman behind her and said (what had to be, it was in Japanese) "She got this from HMV Japan." While she was turned away from me, I had this moment where I asked myself, "How shameless are you going to be?" I don't really like calling that much attention to myself, quite frankly, but what the hell. I pulled out a business card (college faculty, please read my profile), and when she turned back to me I handed it to her and siad, "Nawo, I am Angela. I'm a college professor here in Canada." She looked confused and I repeated myself. She turned to one of the bilingual managers next to her and asked (I think) "Did she just say that she is a college professor? The manager nodded yes. Nawo turned back to me, really excited, and said something like "And you bought our CD" I said" Yes, and in two weeks I will get Deco vs. Deco from HMV Japan!" Then she started laughing, grabbed Daisuke and told him something like "She's a college professor and is buying Deco vs Deco from HMV Japan!" They both laughed (in a good way, thank God. I never really know what people are going to think of me in these situations.). Then I went to Ryo, and got his autograph. He didn't say much, he seems like a really interesting character, for sure. Then I went looking for Futoshi, but he wasn't there. I asked Nawo, "Where's Futoshi" pointed to his picture on the CD insert. She started really laughing...only then did I notice that someone (almost certainly Ryo) had drawn little squiggly hairs sticking out of Futoshi's chin! I scanned the insert for you. Futoshi's signature is hard to see because I had to go find him in a different part of the bar and didn't have the sharpie, so its just regular black pen.



Anyway, I had my great fangirl moment (and my friend, who is one of those old high school friends who has seen me doing some pretty stupid stuff over the years and who has decided it is his life's mission to tease me mercilessly, will never let me live it down) and I have no regrets! It's not just ego operating here, however. I want to send a message to these performers that they have a fan base that they weren't aware of, and that some of us will go to great lengths to get their music and come to their shows. Hopefully they will remember that and come back. And if they were at all entertained in the process, that's even better. I was lucky enough to talk to quite a few Japanese music industry people at Canadian Music Week and with each of them I tried to get the message across that Canada is a viable market (and that they should consider Vancouver as well as Toronto). I hope some were listening, but I get the impression (this is not specific to MTH, but for Japanese performers in general) that a North American or "World" tour is still more of a tool for marketing bands back in Japan, "Just returned from America..." and less about tapping into the North American market itself. Maybe we can change that, ne?

Peace and love to you all. Thank you for reading my first ever journal entry!


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[info]stipixtuh
2008-03-28 12:04 am UTC (link)
You're so lucky! I wish I could have seen them but unfortunately I'm only turning 18 this year. I would have loved to meet them and attempt to communicate XD They should totally come back again.

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[info]phoodie04
2008-03-28 12:08 am UTC (link)
I also told the management they should try for all-ages venues, because I know there were under-19s who wanted to come. They don't have much control over festival scheduling, though. I hope you get to see them!

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[info]stipixtuh
2008-03-28 12:11 am UTC (link)
Ohh thats cool, hopefully they'll consider it.

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[info]vaginaexplosion
2008-03-28 02:30 am UTC (link)
I'm glad you had fun! I totally would've went even if the storm was in my way, but my age got in the way (they should've let people that are 18 in, and made sure they didn't drink >____>;; ). It sounds like they had fun and they'd come back again though. ^_____^

Lets hope xD

Funny story though xD!

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[info]silentruth
2008-03-28 03:50 am UTC (link)
i wanted to gooo but midterms wouldnt let me leave ottawa >.<
but i'm so glad you had fun
it sounds awesome
it actually is pretty wicked that you're a college prof
i cant imagine any of my profs at any concerts i go to >.>

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[info]zucci_zookeenee
2008-03-30 06:35 am UTC (link)
ahhhh~
that was really exciting to read ^_^
I regret not going but... well, work has me on a short leash :T

I'm glad you pushed onwards about the Canadian fanbase in general, it makes me grin :D
Here's hoping for the best~!

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[info]simsim_hb
2008-04-02 04:37 pm UTC (link)
I really wish I could have gone but we were indeed snowed in for the evening. Its frustrating to hear about the management lack of interest in the actual fans but I cant say I'm surprised; Canada gets skipped over a good 70% of the time. Other than the Management issue, there are further impediments like the lack of interested corporate sponsors to support these bands on tour. We have a lot of work to do!
I think its awesome that they were so impressed with your profession. Makes me want to bring my pharmacist name tag with me the next time a Jrock band is in town. ^_^

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[info]phoodie04
2008-04-03 01:11 am UTC (link)
Well, I'm not sure if impressed is necessarily the right term, but certainly surprised in a good way. As to bands not coming here, from what I could learn, the main barriers seem to be the perception that 1) crossing the US/Canada border is more trouble than its worth, especially if you have to do it more than once and 2) that outside of Toronto, there is no local infrastructure to support the bands. I have no idea how accurate those perceptions are, but the whole process of doing North America is really challenging; the band has to have a really good bilingual management team that understands the North American music scene/scenes, someone who knows how to negotiate visa acquisitions, contacts with local promoters on the ground who have an interest in Japanese music and some sort of clue as to how to promote them, etc., etc. I know from the conversations I had that many of the Japanese bands who have in the past (at least in the pre-JRR days) had some success in North America did so because there was someone on the ground here who cared and who knew what they were doing, usually some individual promotor/management type who liked the music and who built personal relationships with Japanese management. Its been a pull from our side as much as or more than a push from theirs. I think there are indications that things are changing and there are more organized interests in Japan who are starting to look more seriously at turning the pull into a push, but the conservative nature of the Japanese music industry mean things happen slowly. Also, just the size of North America and the difficulties of touring here as compared to Japan or even Europe are a factor. You're right, we have a lot of work to do. So, I think I need to stop babbling, (does anyone but me even care about these details?) write this up properly and publish a damn paper about it already!

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[info]zucci_zookeenee
2008-04-04 01:09 am UTC (link)
I care.
I care a lot o_o
A bit weird for maybe someone as young as me to say, but I want to help bring these groups over, help their fanbase grow and help brings smiles to the faces of the fans already here. Even if it's just promoting a group here, I want to do it.
I want to help bring large groups of fans together and perhaps someone will take notice that... we're here.

It's why I'm so passionate about this community.

unfortunately, being as young and uneducated as I am, I don't really know where to start...

thus! I CARE!

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[info]phoodie04
2008-04-06 08:09 pm UTC (link)
I think its pretty frustrating for everyone; I wish I knew more about the music industry so that I could figure out what else we could do. Zucci, age and education aren't everything, you know? Look at what you're already doing; you're a co-mod for an active community. You guys are also planning a website, right? Given how much of this phenomena is fan-generated, I think you're doing something pretty important. The only other thing that I can see that most people can do is to support the artists in ways the music industry will recognize. If you live in a center where at least some groups play, go to concerts even if they're not you're favorite artist, because if that group does well, maybe the next one to come will be someone you like. Unfortunately, not everyone lives in LA or even in Toronto. When you can afford to, buy the music from legit sources. Pretty obvious, I guess.

Hey, I peeked at your journal and you saw Dir en grey in Toronto last year? It sounds like a better concert than when I saw them open for the Deftones in San Francisco. The Deftones fans were so obnoxious to the opening acts they pretty much ruined the concert for me. Diru didn't seem like they were having all that much fun either, and when Die was signing autographs after the show he pretty much didn't even look up at any of the fans. I'm not a huge Dir en grey fan, but I felt really bad for the kids that were there and were so excited to see them. A friend that saw them in Seattle said that that was a great show, so maybe I was just unlucky. Or maybe you HAVE to be in the pit (which I wasn't)? Now that's MUCH easier when you're young, believe me! XD

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[info]zucci_zookeenee
2008-04-07 02:30 am UTC (link)
well, having the knowledge of what to do would help greatly, I'm sure... I want to do something to help but I'm clueless as where to start.
[info]pikaporeon thinks we should have the forums up before the end of the month so I'm hoping that'll bring out more fans from across the country instead of people that just use LJ...
I've wanted to do that for a while since LJ is a bit of a closed-community... a website offering information and a forum kinda opens it up a bit more, yeah?

I live in Thunder Bay... a 24 hour drive from Toronto >_<
If I lived in a place where concerts happened frequently I'd go and conitually thrust the Canadian fanbase into everyone's face... It may be pushy but sitting back and hoping someone will notice hasn't gotten us too far yet.
And I have an addiction to buyin CDs xD (and manga... I'd be so rich if it weren't for my nerdy addictions T_T)
I fully believe in supporting artists that you enjoy. I mean, if it's a song or two, I can understand not wanting to shell out 30$ on a CD, but if you like a group enough to consider yourself a fan and you have the means to be able to support them, I think that people should then... but I ramble 8D;

Yeah, the only show of Dir en grey in N.A. I've missed thus far as during Deaftone's tour... (no ride T_T I couldn't afford a plane and I don't drive!)
Die usually comes off as pretty friendly... saddening he would act like that :T
But this is why I hate it when Diru fans are so offensive towards the opening acts we get here (I heard that people did nothing but boo Bleed the Dream and Fair to Midland at one show. in MN the crowd was practically DEAD during Fair to Midland and their guitarist actually apologized for having another two songs to play. I felt terrible for them. No preformer should ever have to apologize for having to do their job.) 'cause it hurts US when people are offensive towards Dir en grey when they're just the side dish to a show.

I personally can't enjoy a show unless I'm in a crowd getitng squished and elbows to my head, haha. EVen local shows I wanna be against the stage, haha.
I'll be doing this as long as my body doesn't break and I get crushed in a pit, I don't care how old I get ^^;

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[info]phoodie04
2008-04-07 05:17 am UTC (link)
Let me run an idea by you:
You know how JRock concerts often have gift tables? What if the LJ community were to put together something that was very specific to Canada: a booklet, a flag, a calendar with fan-taken photos of JRock concerts in Canada with the date and location listed, or some such thing that had some information attached to it that could work to promote Canada as a performance destination? The fact that our Diru concerts sold out faster than the US shows, the fact that YesAsia.com business is now good enough in Canada that they have set up a processing office in Mississagua (at least that is where my stuff has been coming from since early March, instead of directly from Hong Kong like it used to), the number of members in the LJ community, details about the new website and so on: collected facts related to the Canadian market that would send a very specific message to performers and their management? It definitely should be different enough to stand out from the plushies and sunglasses-type gifts that are so often given. Then whenever one of our members travels to a concert in the US for a group/performer that DOES NOT have a Canadian performance planned, they could leave the item on the gift table. We would be systematically and consistently marketing ourselves, and maybe word will eventually start to get around if enough people in the performance or the promotions side of things notice and if they are talking to each other? I'll be at the Miyavi show in San Francisco and at Fanime in San Jose to see AnCafe next month, and would be happy to help out at those events if they have gift tables. The only question would be if people have the time to work on something, and hopefully those of you with enough imagination could come up with ideas for something that's not expensive? I don't know, this is all I can think of at the moment. Good idea? Stupid? What do you think?

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[info]zucci_zookeenee
2008-04-07 12:06 pm UTC (link)
It does sound like a great idea, but last time we tried to organize a book of sorts... only one person sent me photos before the deadline :T
So.. it failed miserably.
my friend and I were willing to even put the 200$ into getitng the book printed and bound professionally but... ._.;

And I think I've given Dir en grey more than enough Canadian flags at this point, haha XD
for FVT we handed over a flag signed by Canadian fans (Shinya started to immediately read it once he got it ^^!!) so I'm hoping that reached them, if just a little...

I've also given very Canadian specific gifts every time, haha. A bottle of maple syrup in a leaf shape was what I was really hoping would make them "oh! Canada!" haha, I'm lame.

I like the idea of sneaking in information about specific places that would be successful for them to play in though and how there are fans and all that jazz.

during FVT, James (a sound tech that was working with Diru. He's actually seen in a lot of photos with Toshiya and Kaoru, haha) explained to me some of the issues for touring in Canada (not just for Japanese groups, but bands in general) and I can kinda understand why we're skipped over a lot of the time but at the same time... They've already gone through the trouble of getting visas just to go to America, what's sitting at the boarder getting your bus the one-over for a couple of hours to play to more fans that are definately there? That's what slightly upsets me. 'cause that gives me the impression that we're not worth the 1-5 hour wait even. Yes, it's time but... they spent nearly 18 hours on a plane to get here, probably set in customs getting their stuff mulled over just as long as it would've been at the boarder so... but I'm just letting my kiddish whiney side ramble now ._.;

as a side note:
I WANT TO GO TO THE MIYAVI SHOW SO BAD >________<
I wish my work gave me more than 10 days off a YEAR. I don't even want them to be paid (we used to be able to take random days off unpaid, but now they force us to use vacation time... which is limited) I just want to go >_<

I've found talking to staff, not even about the band, just talking, often = lots of information. and I'm sure if you can leave an impression on the staff they might make a mention to the band/management themselves.
But I ramble.
Sleep. I need more.

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[info]loudtshirt
2008-06-04 05:38 am UTC (link)
on the contrary, my friend steve, my girlfriend and I were all in attendance for the show, funny story we drove up from a suburd outside of detroit through what the news reported as the worst blizzard in like what!? the past 50 years! totally worth it, every second....best concert ever.

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