A is for Apple ([info]simplyfabulous7) wrote in [info]brits_americans,
@ 2004-12-07 13:41:00
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Current mood: curious
Current music:"Sunday Morning" by Maroon Five

I have never been to England, and I have probably only met a handful of British people in my life. I'm sure you know that there is a bit of a stereotype about the teeth of British people, and I'm wondering why this is so. In America, just about everyone gets braces during their early teenage years...is that how it is in the U.K. now? Or are there not many orthodontists? Or do you have socialized medicine or something that could hinder gettting braces, etc? Now is your chance to finally kill the stereotype...




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[info]darth_spacey
2004-12-07 10:52 am UTC (link)
Brits just aren't as vain as Americans ;-)

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[info]achtungbaby
2004-12-07 11:27 am UTC (link)
take that wink off!! you know its true!

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[info]simplyfabulous7
2004-12-07 03:20 pm UTC (link)
i know most people get braces for superficial reasons, but many others get them to prevent health problems pertaining to their jaw, bite, etc.

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Don't take this the wrong way but...
[info]luvsrimmer
2004-12-07 10:57 am UTC (link)
I tend to disagree with your "just about everyone gets braces during their early teenage years" comment. I'd say less than 25% of my classmates had braces during that time, and in fact when I had mine it was from third grade through sixth grade. Maybe it's just more prevalent in your area or something, though.

And you should be prepared to be flamed for the "or do you have socialized medicine or something".... cause I'm sure lots of people reading that rolled their eyes.

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Re: Don't take this the wrong way but...
[info]varpulis
2004-12-07 11:18 am UTC (link)
i agree with your disagreement. and most of the brits i have encountered in my stay here have had no better or worse teeth than anyone i encountered in america.

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Braces
[info]historicmouse
2004-12-07 02:45 pm UTC (link)
Probably 80% of my friends had braces as kids, and if they didn't get braces as a kid, they're wearing them now in college. Maybe it's a California thing? Where did you grow up?

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Re: Braces - [info]luvsrimmer, 2004-12-07 04:02 pm UTC
Re: Don't take this the wrong way but...
[info]simplyfabulous7
2004-12-07 02:55 pm UTC (link)
i have to agree with historicmouse on this one. i would say about 80% of my friends had braces also...even those from low income homes. and of those who didn't get braces then, they are starting to get them now because their teeth have shifted. i grew up in south carolina, so maybe it's a SC/CA thing.

some of my friends did have braces that young, too. i was on the late spectrum (i got my 12-yr-old molars at 15), so i had my braces from the 7th grade to the 9th.

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Re: Don't take this the wrong way but...
[info]danibannani
2004-12-07 08:53 pm UTC (link)
About half of my classmates had braces, some of us got off with retainers, and some of us have bad teeth. But I'm from NY.

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Re: Don't take this the wrong way but... - [info]ukfabuk, 2004-12-08 06:32 am UTC
Re: Don't take this the wrong way but... - [info]luvsrimmer, 2004-12-08 11:22 am UTC

[info]pynkbyrd
2004-12-07 11:15 am UTC (link)
I know quite a few British people whose teeth are in much better shape than mine are. david84 is one of them. He's got gorgeous teeth.

I have to agree with luvsrimmer84. At least you didn't post this in livejournal_uk; they tend to be much less forgiving sometimes :0

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[info]david84
2004-12-07 03:10 pm UTC (link)
awww thanks Eve, thats really nice of you to say so.

in answer to your question, braces are very common in the UK, ive had 3 different types. I just think Americans (in general) are too obsessed with things like that, like having the 'hollywood smile' would make them a better person?

yeah, please dont post this in [info]livejournal_uk, they will kill you!

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[info]ashfae
2004-12-07 11:24 am UTC (link)
I have to second (third, fourth) that statement about only 25% or so of people having braces in the States.

That said, I will say that most people (particularly of the older generations, and particularly the truly dedicated smokers/drinkers) I've seen/met in the UK in the past year have much worse teeth than Americans.

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[info]simplyfabulous7
2004-12-07 03:05 pm UTC (link)
i guess braces must be a carolina thing.

that's why i had to question the stereotype. i know i've only met a few british people in my life, but they all had ridiculously bad teeth. however, they were all either older or smoked like chimneys soooo that's why i was wondering if braces and beautiful teeth were more prevalent today than in the past.

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[info]adcott
2004-12-07 11:30 am UTC (link)
To reinforce the stereotype... I have awfully crooked teeth, though not as a consequence of poor access to dental care. I just had no desire to go through so much bother and discomfort for something that is purely cosmetic.

However, all of my friends have had nice enough teeth. I am very much the exception, not the norm.

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[info]adcott
2004-12-07 11:47 am UTC (link)
...oh and *super hardcore internet flames* on the following points:
  1. The impression that "British" only implies England.
  2. The whole "socialized medicine" bit.

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[info]mayor_taco
2004-12-07 11:47 am UTC (link)
Well, if me or my family are anything to go by - we have "British teeth" as my wife loves to call it.

Mind you - her's aren't so great either

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She sees you when you're sleeping ...
[info]abuse_me
2004-12-08 02:50 am UTC (link)
How dare you flame me on LJ! My vampire teeth are perfect in every way, and now that they have that lovely British yellow sheen to them, they're even better!

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[info]myau
2004-12-07 11:51 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one offended simply by the fact that people could be so ignorant as to be patronising with these kinds of questions? You know, treating us like we're a thing to poke and laugh at with no depth?

Coupled with the neocon implication of "omg omg socialism ew".

But I mean COME ON, we've heard this bullshit about bad teeth a million times before, when the fact of the matter is there's no difference between teeth. Unless only perfect pearly white is acceptable, but that's just fucking sad. I'm up to my bloody ears in private dentists where I live, at least FOUR I know of in a half mile radius.

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[info]metallikat
2004-12-07 12:03 pm UTC (link)
Nope, I found it pretty offensive too.

To answer the patronising question, any child who needs braces gets them free of charge. Ah, the wonders of socialised medicine.

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[info]fsmos1
2004-12-07 12:07 pm UTC (link)
and all americans are fat and lazy, right?

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[info]niftybitch
2004-12-07 12:42 pm UTC (link)
*waddles around*

=)

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[info]blackmetalfan
2004-12-07 02:18 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I know from having orthodontic treatment myself that it does come under the wing of the NHS, and I had my braces for free. Not only that, but I've had free dental checkups every 6 months for the whole of my childhood and then subsidised dental treatment from now on.

One of the reason we don't have such glowing white teeth is that we don't use such harsh bleaching on our teeth. It's been proven that too much "whitening" agent is certainly bad for the teeth in the long run, and thus the BDA has limited its use within toothpastes so unfortunately we can't make our teeth look like they're giving out enough light to rival the sun.

To summarise, we get free orthodontic treatment if it's needed, we get free dental checkups as children and then subsidised dental treatment from then on. So our teeth might not be perfectly white, but I'd choose healthy teeth over superficially perfect teeth.

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[info]sardonic_girl
2004-12-07 02:27 pm UTC (link)
That's so amazing, I had to pay $3,000 (around ₤1,500?) for my dentalwork, and once the braces were off, my teeth went right back to their original state.

And dentists over here try to explain how teeth whiteners take the enamel straight off your teeth, but it doesn't seem to be getting through to most of the population.

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[info]lauralatham
2004-12-07 02:35 pm UTC (link)
it is just a stereotype - plenty of americans with nasty teeth here. My boyfriend is from England, and he had braces and has really nice teeth.

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[info]jamesjlee
2004-12-07 02:42 pm UTC (link)
From what I gather, from my parents is that it used to be awful here but has since become much better. In the 70's it was supposedly particulary awful.

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[info]simplyfabulous7
2004-12-07 02:49 pm UTC (link)
i think that's true of america, also. i know my mother's generation had to take a particular type of antibiotic as children that stained their teeth HORRIBLY...even with veneers her teeth still are not white at all.

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(no subject) - [info]jamesjlee, 2004-12-07 03:01 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]simplyfabulous7, 2004-12-20 11:15 pm UTC
Hi from England (and from Britain!)
[info]the_magician
2004-12-07 03:17 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry that some people were offended by your questions ... yes there are things that some people might take offense at but that's no excuse for them being rude until they've checked to see if you were really just trying to find out answers and asked in a, well, less than perfect way ... but then none of us are perfect!

I lived in the US for part of my teens and I actually *asked* for braces while I was there and my dentist told me no, that the slight gap between my front teeth was fine and not to waste the money.

I'm back in the UK now and didn't see a dentist for many years (at least five) so when I finally went there was a lot to be done. I could have used the National Health Service (NHS, what you might consider socialised medicine in that it is funded from general taxation) and had my dental work done quite cheaply (free if I was unemployed/low waged or in some other special group) but I chose to go "private" and ended up having about six fillings, an extraction, a crown, two cleanings plus cosmetic dentistry to fix a couple of chipped front teeth (actually three in total), and the total bill came to about 700 pounds (that was for about six hours of dentistry over 9 visits and included a number of x-rays as well, with about 250 pounds of that being the specially made crown/cap). At current exchange rates that's about 1,300 dollars.

There are many orthodontists/dentists/dental technicians and dental surgeons in the UK, it can be quite a high paying career.

I'd say that there is less of a "tooth" vanity culture in the UK and so things like dental bleaching etc. are far less popular than in the US. There is a diffence in diet (many of the older generations, who probably are the cause of the stereotype, grew up with food rationing etc. and then overdosed on sugar based treats etc.) and there are those that blame Margaret Thatcher for taking away the free milk that children used to get given at school, which may have had an effect on children of the 1980s ...

... braces are not very common in the UK, but they are more common now than they were in previous years. For serious dental problems you can get the braces etc. done on the NHS, but for more minor treatment most people don't think it is worth the time, the effort, the hassle and the impaired looks, and there isn't the peer pressure as a teen to get it done because your friends are all doing it as well.

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Re: Hi from England (and from Britain!)
[info]simplyfabulous7
2004-12-07 03:35 pm UTC (link)
thanks...i agree i should have phrased the question better. but i'm just a fast typer; the thought popped in my head; i typed it; and then, i went back to typing my english paper. i hate that people were offended by it, but i'm glad that you're not. and i'm definitely not perfect!!! :-)

p.s. your answer was very insightful, and the NHS sounds like a very good plan. not that any form of socialized medicine would be a bad thing in the first place...i simply just didn't know how it worked and was relying on information someone had told me (which is not something i recommend).

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[info]simplyfabulous7
2004-12-07 08:15 pm UTC (link)
thanks for your posts, and i'm sorry if i offended anyone. i'm now enlightened about british health care, orthodonture, etc...and i've learned some lessons about message boards. but i think this is getting way out of hand, and we should all just move on now. if you really want to discuss some of these issues with me, come to my journal...otherwise, i'm ending this discussion right now.

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[info]danibannani
2004-12-07 09:00 pm UTC (link)
I am an American still up at 5am working my ass off.

I am not fat and lazy. Though I may be fat.

damnit, I am NOT FUCKING LAZY.

And my friends aren't either. And if you have a job that is lucky enough to give you insurance most of the time you have a wonderful 15 dollar copay. Show up, 15 bucks, out of there. That's what I have. Until I graduate. then I am healthcareless and poor.

And overworked.

WOOHOO america.

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[info]americanenglish
2004-12-08 12:21 am UTC (link)
As far as I know, only something like 10% of the UK receives fluoridated water, which may account for higher levels of tooth decay here than in the US.

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[info]luckykaa
2004-12-08 03:19 am UTC (link)
Yep. In general, there's a certain amount of opposition to contaminating water, and giving people medication without consent just as a matter of principle (and also that added flouride can cause problems such as flourosis).

The arguments aren't totally unreasonable, but apparently there is a corellation between added flouride and low levels of tooth decay.

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[info]randomchris
2004-12-08 03:25 am UTC (link)
NHS dental treatment does kind of suck. A bit of enamel just fell off one of my teeth (first time that's ever happened, mind), and since I'm not actually in pain, my NHS dentist couldn't fit me in until January. Most NHS dentists aren't taking on any new patients at the moment, they just don't have the capacity.

Luckily, private dentists here have to be a bit more competitive when there's free treatment available for those who can afford to wait, and I've got an appointment for a filling next week which will only cost me £40.

There are a decent number of orthodontists, but braces are not amazingly common - maybe 10% of people get them.

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[info]kenovay
2004-12-09 09:42 am UTC (link)
o.0

Where do you live? In my bit of London, I'd say 80% of my college has or has had braces, and those that didn't didn't need them.

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Don't know if it's been said...
[info]ukfabuk
2004-12-08 06:39 am UTC (link)
I couldn't be bothered to really read al the other postings, for I just don't have the luxury of time to do that. But I think that it's been pretty established that the whole teeth and braces issue in the US seems to be region specific. And I know from my personal experience that in the UK, I have seen some of the nicest teeth ever but also the most vile ever, but that can be said the same of the US. I just don't see bad teeth where live because it's an affluent area, so everyone is too conscious about it. But it is just a general stereotype about peoples teeth in Britain, that I think is overplayed through the media of TV, and movies...which is quite sad because many people believe what they see through the eyes of 'Hollywood'...

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[info]lunarx
2004-12-09 08:41 am UTC (link)
i can't believe i just read thru this whole entire post, all threads..

i have no comment on it, except parts of it were quite entertaining!

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[info]pixie_dust03
2004-12-09 11:18 am UTC (link)
Don'y you love how it went from dentist to Fat and lazy people to economic standing to eating healthy and then back to the dentist..haha

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(no subject) - [info]lunarx, 2004-12-09 01:03 pm UTC
Bit late, but for what it's worth...
[info]velveteenfaerie
2004-12-09 11:33 am UTC (link)
I'm currently wearing both a permanent and a removable brace, both of which I got free on the NHS. My orthodontist is a sweetheart and always nice to me. I brush my teeth (and brace) twice a day, visit the dentist every 6 months, and the orthodontist whenever I need it, to look after my brace. She is very flexible, as I have to work it around my exams. The NHS, although it has its flaws, is a very good system, and I'm incredibly thankful for it. About 99% of the people in my generation who I know have had braces, or have them now.

So, basically, it's a stereotype, most of us have quite nice teeth.

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