Special Agent Mcwentzalot ([info]periculosa) wrote in [info]boysintheband_x,
@ 2007-04-07 21:46:00
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MOD POST - Common mistakes
Hello everyone! Your mod here. I just wanted to make an entry that I will add to as time goes on, which spells out a lot of common mistakes that people make when writing, and how to do it correctly. If you can think of any others, tell me in a comment and I'll add it.


I. QUOTATIONS

TYPE 1: A quote that does not finish a sentence.
WRONG: "I think you should definitely go for it." Said John.
WRONG: "I think you should definitely go for it." said John.
WRONG: "I think you should definitely go for it" said John.
WRONG: "I think you should definitely go for it", said John.
RIGHT: "I think you should definitely go for it," said John.
Note how the quotation ends in a comma, and how the comma goes before the quote is closed. Also, the next word should be lower-case.

TYPE 2: A quote that ends with a question mark, but does not finish a sentence.
WRONG: "Are you sure you want to go through with this?" Said Sally.
RIGHT: "Are you sure you want to go through with this?" said Sally.
Again, the word after the quote closes is lower-case.

TYPE 3: A quote that ends a sentence.
WRONG: She smiled and said, "Well, if you insist"
WRONG: She smiled and said, "Well, if you insist".
RIGHT: She smiled and said, "Well, if you insist."
This is when you end with a period, inside the quotes.

TYPE 4: A sentence with a broken-up quote.
WRONG: "What I do in my free time," Frank started, looking Gerard dead in the eyes. "Is none of your damn business."
WRONG: "What I do in my free time," Frank started, looking Gerard dead in the eyes, "Is none of your damn business."
RIGHT: "What I do in my free time," Frank started, looking Gerard dead in the eyes, "is none of your damn business."
There should only be a single period. Also, only the first word of the sentence is capitalized. Think of it as just one sentence (which it is), but with added punctuation. All quotation marks are is punctuation, just like commas or apostrophes.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION (thanks to [info]mandy_croyance):
In regards to periods and their positioning around quotation marks, it should be said that the Americans conventionally place the period inside the quotation marks if the quotation comes at the end of a sentence regardless of whether the enclosed phrase is itself a complete sentence. The only exception made is for single letters or numbers, in which case the period follows the closed quote.
The British, however, place their periods logically: if the phrase within the quotation marks is a sentence in its own right, the period is placed inside the marks. If the phrase is not an independent sentence, the period is place outside of the marks.
Also, no preceding comma is necessary if the quoted phrase is not an independent sentence because neither text is parenthetical.
American: Brendon was upset that Ryan had called him an "aggravating, little brat."
British: Brendon was upset that Ryan had called him an "aggravating, little brat".


II. CONFUSED/MISUSED WORDS

THAN VS. THEN
Than is used when comparing two things.
I am taller than you.
Three is greater than two.
Then is a word most commonly used to describe a sequence of events, to refer to a specific point in time, or to describe a case and consequence (there are other uses as well).
I walked outside, then turned back because I forgot my keys.
I was born in the 1990s; back then there were no iPods.
If you are unsure about your grammar, then you should read this.
If life ain't just a joke, then why are we laughing?

ITS VS. IT'S
Its
is a possessive adjective (the possessive form of "it").
Have you seen my watch? Its battery is dead, and I'd like to replace it.
It's is a conjunction of the two words "it is," or "it has."
Your watch? I think it's under the table where you left it.
Hey, thanks! It's been a long time since I last saw it.

TO VS. TOO VS. TWO
To
has a heck of a lot of uses, which I will not be typing up. If you'd like to see them, look here. Just a few:
Try not to make the same mistake again.
I'm moving to Alaska next summer.
I am falling apart to songs about hips and hearts.
Too is used to express "in addition," "extremely," to express an affirmative that contradicts a negative statement, or to say that something has been done in excess.
I too will be attending the concert.
I wasn't too happy when I found out that you were going. What if I say you can't come?
I am too coming!
You whine too much.
Two is a number. That is all.
Honey, this mirror isn't big enough for the two of us.

WHETHER VS. WEATHER
Whether
is used to introduce an alternative.
You will do what I say, whether or not you like it.
Whether we go or we don't, it won't matter because we'll still have fun.
Weather refers to the climate conditions.
The weather is really bad today; first it poured, and now there's a blizzard!
It's 8:45. The weather is getting better by the hour. I hope it rains there all the time.
Our thoughts compressed, which makes us blessed, and makes for stormy weather.

DISCREET VS. DISCRETE
Discreet
means subtle or unobtrusive.
I'm getting my tattoo in a discreet place so my mom won't see it and flip out.
Discrete means separate or distinct.
The house had two discrete parts: one for her work hours, and one for her recreation hours.
The story had three discrete sections: one from the point of view of each main character.

THEY'RE VS. THERE VS. THEIR
They're
is a conjunction of the words "they are," and that is all.
These clouds we're seeing, they're explosions in the sky.
There means "at that place," "at that point in action," "in that respect,' etcetera (for a complete list of meanings, go here).
As razor sharp white teeth rip out our necks I saw you there.
This is me standing in the arch of the door, hating that look that's on your face that says there's another fool like me.
Be my breath, there's nothing I wouldn't give.
You should stop right there before you get hurt.
Their is a possessive adjective (possessive form of "they").
Let's follow the cops back home and rob their houses.

WERE VS. WE'RE
Were
is the plural past tense form of the verb "to be," OR a subjunctive verb (for more about this use, see the MISCELLANEOUS section).
Walk away to save your face, you never were an actor.
If I were your English teacher, I'd have to kill myself.
We're is a conjuction of the words "we are."
Mama, we're all full of lies. Mama, we're meant for the flies.

YOUR VS. YOU'RE
This one deserves a special heading:
"YOUR STUPID." MY STUPID WHAT?
Your
is the possessive form of "you," singular and plural.
And we could settle this affair if you would shed your yellow, take my hand.
Where is your boy tonight? I hope he is a gentleman.
I wrote a goodbye note in lipstick on
your arm when you passed out.

You're is a conjunction of the words "you are."
I'm just a notch in your bedpost, but you're just a line in a song.
You're holding on to your grudge.

LOSE VS. LOOSE

Lose is a verb that means "to misplace," or "to suffer the deprivation of," or "to not win."
Last chance to lose your keys.
If I sleep with you, I could lose my job.
I will never enter a 'who's-a-bigger-whore' contest against Pete Wentz, because I would definitely lose.
Loose is an adjective that means "slackened," "free from restriction," "sexually promiscuous or immoral," "not strict," etc.
Gosh, if those pants get any more loose, they might fall off!
My hair always falls in my face when it's loose.
Pete Wentz is pretty loose--he's slept with most of his friends.
The rues of this community aren't at all loose--if your grammar sucks, your post will be rejected.
WHOSE VS. WHO'S
Whose
is either an adjective as the possessive form of "who," "which," or means "the one or ones belonging to what person or persons."
And all the girls whose lips couldn't move fast enough, sing until your lungs give out.
I'm a fool whose tool is small; it's so miniscule it's no tool at all.
Who's is a conjunction of the words "who is."
I'm just a boy who's meant to sing this song.
Preach all you want, but who's gonna save me?
You're the one who's always bruised and broken.
WHETHER VS. IF (thanks to [info]mandy_croyance)
Whether is applied in situations where there are two options, and often implies an "or not".
Travis wondered whether William would wear his bandana today [or not].
Whether he wore it around his thigh or head didn't matter.
If is applied to a conditional circumstance, and usually includes some causation.
If he wore the bandana, Travis would kiss him.

LITERALLY
This word is the opposite of figuratively, and means "without exaggeration or inaccuracy." This word is misused a lot, and turned into something else. Examples of misuse (thanks to [info]draicana):
"I was literally over the moon!" Oh really? How was the view?
"I was literally blushing!" You can blush metaphorically? Neat trick!

HYSTERICAL VS. HILARIOUS
"Hysterical" is often wrongly used in the place of "hilarious." Hysterical means "uncontrollably emotional," whereas hilarious means "arousing great merriment; cheerful." Therefore, when you say a joke is hysterical, you are really saying that the joke is uncontrollably emotional. Example of misuse (thanks to [info]draicana because she is amusing):
"I heard this joke the other day, it's hysterical!" Really? Is it blue too? Or pretty? Or angry?

III. FORMATTING

LINE BREAKS
We all know that in books, there are no spaces in-between paragraphs--it just goes right to the next line, and indents to indicate the start of a new paragraph. But this is not proper online, because it makes our eyes cross and/or bleed.
WRONG:

    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Maecenas feugiat consequat diam. Maecenas metus. Vivamus diam purus, cursus a, commodo non, facilisis vitae, nulla. Aenean dictum lacinia tortor. Nunc iaculis, nibh non iaculis aliquam, orci felis euismod neque, sed ornare massa mauris sed velit. Nulla pretium mi et risus. Fusce mi pede, tempor id, cursus ac, ullamcorper nec, enim. Sed tortor. Curabitur molestie. Duis velit augue, condimentum at, ultrices a, luctus ut, orci.
    Donec pellentesque egestas eros. Integer cursus, augue in cursus faucibus, eros pede bibendum sem, in tempus tellus justo quis ligula. Etiam eget tortor. Vestibulum rutrum, est ut placerat elementum, lectus nisl aliquam velit, tempor aliquam eros nunc nonummy metus. In eros metus, gravida a, gravida sed, lobortis id, turpis. Ut ultrices, ipsum at venenatis fringilla, sem nulla lacinia tellus, eget aliquet turpis mauris non enim. Nam turpis. Suspendisse lacinia. Curabitur ac tortor ut ipsum egestas elementum. Nunc imperdiet gravida mauris.
Online, we skip a line between paragraphs, and do not indent. It is much easier to read this way.
RIGHT:
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Maecenas feugiat consequat diam. Maecenas metus. Vivamus diam purus, cursus a, commodo non, facilisis vitae, nulla. Aenean dictum lacinia tortor. Nunc iaculis, nibh non iaculis aliquam, orci felis euismod neque, sed ornare massa mauris sed velit. Nulla pretium mi et risus. Fusce mi pede, tempor id, cursus ac, ullamcorper nec, enim. Sed tortor. Curabitur molestie. Duis velit augue, condimentum at, ultrices a, luctus ut, orci.

Donec pellentesque egestas eros. Integer cursus, augue in cursus faucibus, eros pede bibendum sem, in tempus tellus justo quis ligula. Etiam eget tortor. Vestibulum rutrum, est ut placerat elementum, lectus nisl aliquam velit, tempor aliquam eros nunc nonummy metus. In eros metus, gravida a, gravida sed, lobortis id, turpis. Ut ultrices, ipsum at venenatis fringilla, sem nulla lacinia tellus, eget aliquet turpis mauris non enim. Nam turpis. Suspendisse lacinia. Curabitur ac tortor ut ipsum egestas elementum. Nunc imperdiet gravida mauris.

DIALOGUE
Every time someone different begins to speak, a new paragraph must be started (for correct punctuation in quotations, see the first section).
WRONG:
"Thanks for the memories, even though they weren't so great," Pete said spitefully. "He tastes like you, only sweeter," Mikey replied with just as much venom. A long silence followed, and then Pete spoke up again. "One night, and one more time."
RIGHT:
"Thanks for the memories, even though they weren't so great," Pete said spitefully.

"He tastes like you, only sweeter," Mikey replied with just as much venom.

A long silence followed, and then Pete spoke up again. "One night, and one more time."
Bahahaha, I'm so lame. *ahem* Anyway, if someone is speaking for a long time, like they're telling a story, and change the topic so you'd have to start a new paragraph, you do not close the quotes, but you have to open them again in the next paragraph.
WRONG:
When I was a young boy, my father took me into the city to see a marching band. He said, "Son, when you grow up, would you be the savior of the broken, the beaten, and the damned?"

"Will you defeat them? Your demons? And all the non-believers; the plans that they have made? Because one day I'll leave you--a phantom--to lead you in the summer. To join The Black Parade."
RIGHT:
When I was a young boy, my father took me into the city to see a marching band. He said, "Son, when you grow up, would you be the savior of the broken, the beaten, and the damned?

"Will you defeat them? Your demons? And all the non-believers; the plans that they have made? Because one day I'll leave you--a phantom--to lead you in the summer. To join The Black Parade."
PUNCTUATION
APOSTROPHES
Okay, a lesson on apostrophes. There are a few reasons for why they would be used:
1. To indicate a possession of a proper noun.
Mikey is Pete's very close friend.
The book's cover fell off.

If said proper noun ends in an "s" (if it's plural, or a name that ends in an "s"), an apostrophe is placed after the "s," and no other "s" is added (but I think in some cases it could be... if someone knows the rule for this, please let me know, because I don't).
The boys' dog was big.
The Smiths' dog was big.
2. To form a conjunction/show omission.
It's about time those two got together.
What's up with you?

COMMAS
I can't honestly say that I know the rule for commas, but here's a page that you might find helpful. I just go by what sounds right to me. I'll give you a tip:
Read what you've written aloud to yourself, or just in your head, and whenever you pause naturally, that's where a comma should be placed.
Yeah, if anybody else knows anything, please tell me.

THE COMMA SPLICE
When placing a comma, consider the clauses you are separating with it. If you are trying to separate two independent clauses with a comma, you're doing it wrong! If you didn't know, an independent clause is a sentence or part of a sentence that can be extracted from the rest and still make sense, meaning it contains a subject, verb, and direct object. Conversely, a dependent clause is one that, when extracted from the sentence, is missing one or more of the essential components, and therefore does not make sense. Examples:

INDEPENDENT AND DEPENDENT
My iPod broke, so I bought a new one.
Crawling across the floor, he begged for mercy.
Now that you've got the general idea, let us move on. If you are attempting to connect two independent clauses, a comma cannot be used. Instead, you should break them up into two separate sentences, change one of them into a dependent clause, or connect them with a semicolon. Examples (provided by [info]mandy_croyance):
WRONG: Ryan's head hurt, so did his heart.
RIGHT: Ryan's head hurt. So did his heart.
RIGHT: Ryan's head hurt, and so did his heart.
RIGHT: Ryan's head hurt; so did his heart.
HYPHENS
These are extremely underused. Hyphens should be utilized when using a multiple-word phrase as an adjective (LOL look I just did it). Examples:
WRONG: He signed the thank you card, "Long live the car crash hearts."
RIGHT: He signed the thank-you card, "Long live the car-crash hearts."
IV. MISCELLANEOUS
WAS VS WERE
Okay. The word "were" is used to express a conditional situation. A sort of "If... then" kind of construction. However, this is quickly becoming archaic, according to [info]mandy_croyance, who says, "The subjunctive tense (or verbal mood) has become increasingly optional in modern English and is slowly disappearing. It hurts my heart. Many linguists and writers alike believe the subjunctive to be old-fashioned, pretentious and unnecessary; the recent trend has been to move away from it entirely. I personally believe it makes a valuable contribution to the language. However, and unfortunately, the first example you gave is not technically wrong and probably should not be treated as such."

Despite this, I am leaving this part up, purely to show you how things should be done. You won't be smashed for the "wrong" example, but just keep this rule in mind. I'll do my best to explain it:

Okay. The word "were" is used to express a conditional situation. A sort of "If... then" kind of construction. Examples:
WRONG: If gay marriage was legal, I would be a lot less angry.
RIGHT: If gay marriage were legal, I would be a lot less angry.
MISSPELLED WORDS
Guys, it's DEFINITELY. Not definetly, defanitly, defenitely, etc. D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y. But you should be using spellcheck anyway, so this shouldn't be a problem.

TENSES
Generally when you are writing something, you're going to make a decision about the tense. Usually, it will be either present (ex: I walk over to him and say hello) or past (ex: I walked over to him and said hello). Be aware of your tenses, and make the conscious decision to use one for your story. The tense you choose isn't so important, but sticking with it is. Please, make sure your tense is consistent throughout your story.

*NOTE: Please excuse the insane amount of MCR/FOB/Placebo/Brand New lyrics I used to demonstrate my points, as well as the random OTP-pimping and Pete Wentz referencing. I had to have a little fun, amirite?

LOL I just read this over and realized I made one of the mistakes on the list. >.< TWAS A TYPO I SWEAR! That's why everyone needs a beta. xD

If you have any questions, ask! I hope I helped. :)



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[info]theguernica
2007-04-08 02:20 am UTC (link)
Thank you for posting this. I'm always so paranoid about story development and spelling that I forget about those little details that makes all the difference.

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[info]periculosa
2007-04-08 03:13 am UTC (link)
You're very welcome! :D I'm glad I helped. ^__^

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[info]assume
2007-04-08 02:27 am UTC (link)
i still can't thank you enough for this. srsly.
haha.

-makes a mental note to use it-

mem'd it. :]
just for future reference.

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[info]periculosa
2007-04-08 03:13 am UTC (link)
:D I'm so very glad I was able to help.

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(no subject) - [info]assume, 2007-04-08 10:24 pm UTC
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[info]simeonrun
2007-04-08 02:33 am UTC (link)
this is actually the most common thing i see. so thanks for putting this up!


love heather ♥

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[info]periculosa
2007-04-08 03:14 am UTC (link)
You're welcome!

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Re: Type 4
[info]karasaurusrex
2007-04-08 03:17 am UTC (link)
XD Hmm. I was always taught that the second 'wrong' was correct. I see it in books all the time, as well.

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Re: Type 4
[info]periculosa
2007-04-08 03:23 am UTC (link)
Hmm... I could be wrong. But I just did some research and found a site that says this:

When an attribution of speech comes in the middle of quoted language, set it apart as you would any parenthetical element:

* "I don't care," she said, "what you think about it."

From here. But maybe it's one of those things that could be done either way? If you find out for sure one way or the other, let me know. :D

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Re: Type 4 - [info]karasaurusrex, 2007-04-08 03:39 am UTC
Re: Type 4 - [info]periculosa, 2007-04-08 03:46 am UTC
Re: Type 4 - [info]karasaurusrex, 2007-04-08 03:58 am UTC
Re: Type 4 - [info]periculosa, 2007-04-08 04:03 am UTC
Re: Type 4 - [info]karasaurusrex, 2007-04-08 04:08 am UTC
Re: Type 4 - [info]karasaurusrex, 2007-04-08 04:57 am UTC
Re: Type 4 - [info]sivullinen, 2007-04-09 05:32 am UTC
Re: Type 4 - [info]karasaurusrex, 2007-04-09 07:40 pm UTC
Re: Type 4 - [info]crossbow1, 2007-05-15 11:19 pm UTC

[info]pixie_pan
2007-04-08 10:03 am UTC (link)
Some of Pixie's pet peeves:

Lack of line breaks! Yes, this is more format related than spelling/punctuation/grammar related, but it's guaranteed to get me to close the window without giving the story a second chance. Line breaks between paragraphs and in dialogue.

Not using a new line for a different character speaking.

Lack of apostrophes, or superfluous apostrophes.

Commas where there should be no commas! Like in, the middle of a sentence.

Now I must flee, but I will return!

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[info]periculosa
2007-04-08 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the suggestions, I will be adding them. :)

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[info]focusfixated
2007-04-08 11:08 am UTC (link)
*g* Nice, helpful, concise, direct post. ;)

There's nothing worse than a misplaced apostrophe. They are the things that haunt my nightmares. ;;^^

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[info]periculosa
2007-04-08 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! I'll be adding it to the list. :)

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[info]whisperingtome
2007-04-08 08:16 pm UTC (link)
Good idea for a post! :)

Some more frequently confused words that really annoy me:

They're, There, Their
Your, You're




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[info]periculosa
2007-04-08 08:22 pm UTC (link)
Yes! Thank you for reminding me; those really irritate me when I see them mixed up. -__-

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[info]sivullinen
2007-04-09 05:38 am UTC (link)
If said proper noun ends in an "s" (if it's plural, or a name that ends in an "s"), an apostrophe is placed after the "s," and no other "s" is added (but I think in some cases it could be... if someone knows the rule for this, please let me know, because I don't).

Well. Of course I'm not 100% sure about this, because I studied English as a foreign language and it's been two years since I did any grammar, but I think an extra s is added if the name ends in s in singular. Like, "Tess's bike". It's only if the name is in plural, like "Smiths'", when there's no extra s. I could be wrong, though!

But really. This post looks so useful! *adds to bookmarks*

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[info]periculosa
2007-04-09 06:39 am UTC (link)
You know, I think that makes a lot of sense. You probably more know than I do about English, because I was never given an actual grammar class, where they tell you stuff like that.

I'm glad you found it useful! :D

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[info]pixie_pan
2007-04-09 10:10 am UTC (link)

*NOTE: Please excuse the insane amout of MCR/FOB/Placebo/Brand New lyrics I used to demonstrate my points, as well as the random OTP-pimping and Pete Wentz referencing. I had to have a little fun, amirite?


You totally did!

Thanks for these. I'm not very good with commas either, despite them being a pet peeve, but what you've said sounds good!

Slight format thingy *points up* where you've used bigger text for the wrong line. Here:

Where is your boy tonight? I hope he is a gentleman.

I wrote a goodbye note in lipstick on your arm when you passed out.

You're is a conjuction of the words "you are."

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[info]periculosa
2007-04-09 11:22 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for letting me know! I fixed it. :)

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[info]pixie_pan
2007-04-09 01:05 pm UTC (link)
Excuse the double comment, but I thought of another pet peeve. When people misuse the word 'literally'. It happens A LOT and it's on my hate list. For example...

"I was literally over the moon!" Oh really? How was the view?
"I was literally blushing!" You can blush metaphorically? Neat trick!

I once watched five minutes of Jamie Oliver while waiting for my show to start. He used the word 'literally' about eight times, and not once in the correct way. I wanted to reach into the TV and smack him upside the head. LITERALLY! *coughs* Ahem.

Also? Hysterical instead of hilarious.

"I heard this joke the other day, it's hysterical!" Really? Is it blue too? Or pretty? Or angry?

A joke can't be hysterical. It can be hilarious. You can have hysterics over the hilarity of the joke. But it can't be hysterical.

Okay, I better flee again, before I wear out my welcome here! *not a pedant, really!*

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[info]coffeewordangel
2007-04-10 11:25 pm UTC (link)
The misuse of the word 'literally' is one of my brother's biggest pet peeves. He goes into these long rants wherein he belittles anyone who uses it in the wrong manner, with examples. It's hilarious. (oooh...see what I did there? ;)

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[info]karasaurusrex
2007-04-09 08:07 pm UTC (link)
I noticed something you left out. I haven't actually seen it mistaken all that often, but I know when I was younger I always had trouble with it.

Whose vs who's where who's = who is and whose = possessive.

I'll probably continue to check in on this post, when I find/think of any more pet peeves or common mistakes. :) This is really a great idea, this post. I'm surprised a lot of the other fic communities out there haven't thought of the same.

Oh! Before I forget; there's a community called [info]betacommentary, and you may be interested in adding it to your beta list in the userinfo here, just in case. The only thing is, short of sending it to one of the members there, they'd have to post it, so any member of that community would also read it first [ if they were interested ], which may be a turn off to the author. There's also no telling how long it would take for anyone to respond. But the creators of the community did so with the intention of bringing many eyes into the same fic—four eyes are better than two, and et cetera—and it's certainly an option. It just may be a very slooooowwww option.

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[info]coffeewordangel
2007-04-10 11:27 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. I hope people read this. (Unfortunately, I'm worried that you're preaching to the choir here.) Loose vs. Lose is the one pet peeve of mine that will send me into fits. Seriously, I start muttering angrily at the computer screen.

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[info]periculosa
2007-04-11 02:55 am UTC (link)
I probably am pretty much preaching to the choir, but hopefully it'll help some people out. I think the biggest problem is the quotations, because even people who are otherwise good with grammar tend to mess those up sometimes.

Oh man, loose vs. lose really bothers me too. I've stopped reading a couple stories because I spotted it. The sad thing is, it's really easy to do it without realizing, by pressing the 'o' key a second time by accident, or something. :|

I'm so glad you joined the community. ♥

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[info]bombasticduck
2007-04-11 09:21 pm UTC (link)
ummm....I think I should memorize this, no? Doubt it will stick but I can make a valiant effort. Alas commas you have always had a vendetta against me. Yeah this thing is a good thing *will memory* because when I write stuff and I have questions, I don't know where to look *emo tear* but now I have somewhere to refer to for the basics that somehow my education seems to have glossed over. Yeah!
cheers!

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IV. Miscellaneous
[info]mandy_croyance
2007-04-13 03:58 pm UTC (link)
The subjunctive tense (or verbal mood) has become increasingly optional in modern English and is slowly disappearing. It hurts my heart. Many linguists and writers alike believe the subjunctive to be old-fashioned, pretentious and unnecessary; the recent trend has been to move away from it entirely. I personally believe it makes a valuable contribution to the language. However, and unfortunately, the first example you gave is not technically wrong and probably should not be treated as such.

In regards to periods and their positioning around quotation marks, it should be said that the Americans conventionally place the period inside the quotation marks if the quotation comes at the end of a sentence regardless of whether the enclosed phrase is itself a complete sentence. The only exception made is for single letters or numbers, in which case the period follows the closed quote.
The British, however, place their periods logically: if the phrase within the quotation marks is a sentence in its own right, the period is placed inside the marks. If the phrase is not an independent sentence, the period is place outside of the marks.
Also, no preceeding comma is necessary if the quoted phrase is not an independed sentence because neither text is paranthetical.
American: Brendon was upset that Ryan had called him an "aggravating, little brat."
British: Brendon was upset that Ryan had called him an "aggravating, little brat".

Oh, and I have another important addition to make: the comma splice. It runs positively rampant through my fandom, Panic! At The Disco, to my great horror. I understand using creative punctuation as a mannerism of style, but sometimes it seems as though even our best authors may genuinely not know that you cannot join two independent clauses with a comma! Use a semi-colon if you absolutely cannot end the sentence, but please leave that poor, overworked comma alone!
Wrong: "Ryan's head hurt, so did his heart."
Right: "Ryan's head hurt. So did his heart." OR "Ryan's head hurt; so did his heart." OR "Ryan's head hurt, and so did his heart."
This one really isn't hard, guys.

Underused is the hyphen. This one really irks me. When you are using a phrase as an adjective, you must hyphenate it!
Wrong: He signed the thank you card, "Long live the car crash hearts."
Right: He signed the thank-you card, "Long live the car-crash hearts."

WHETHER vs. IF
Whether is applied in situations where there are two options, and often implies an "or not".
Example A: Travis wondered whether William would wear his bandana today [or not].
Example B: Whether he wore it around his thigh or head didn't matter.
If is applied to a conditional circumstance, and usually includes some causation.
Example: If he wore the banadana, Travis would kiss him.

Gah, there's so much more I could add - so many other things which have been bothering me lately - but I think I'll leave it at this before this comment becomes longer than your post!

Thank you so much for making this grammar tutorial. It really brightened my day to see RPS authors actually promoting the respect of our lovely language. Most of the fics today makes me want to tear out my eyes! *weeps*

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Re: IV. Miscellaneous
[info]periculosa
2007-04-16 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Sorry it took me so long to reply. ._.

WOW. You articulated yourself so well that I could not possibly say any of this better myself. If you don't mind, I'm going to quote you in the post, and credit you for it. Thanks for the amazing explanations; this is really helpful!

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Re: IV. Miscellaneous - [info]crossbow1, 2007-05-15 11:21 pm UTC

[info]theskyturnsred
2007-04-23 01:46 pm UTC (link)
This post is awesome! I feel so educated.

I'd like to point something out, and I'm aware that I've just woken up, so I'm quite possibly wrong about this. But:

RIGHT: Ryan's head hurt. So did his heart.
RIGHT: Ryan's head hurt, and so did his heart.
RIGHT: Ryan's head hurt; so did his heart.


From what I can tell, wouldn't all of those be wrong? "So did his heart" isn't an independent clause, is it? But it's a confusing example because I don't know how to correctly add that to a sentence. (I'm an engineering major, and we're notoriously bad at English.) Which is why I'm thinking that I'm wrong. If I am, please feel free to tell me. You can even call me names if you'd like! :) And delete this, obv.

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[info]periculosa
2007-04-23 10:25 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for pointing that out. I'm actually not the one who suggested this as an example, and I thought it was a bit strange, since the second part does seem to be a dependent clause. Although, using a comma to separate the two doesn't seem correct either. I think I'm going to change it to a more straightforward example.

Again, thanks. :D

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[info]crossbow1
2007-05-15 11:13 pm UTC (link)
WRONG:

"Thanks for the memories, even though they weren't so great," Pete said spitefully. "He tastes like you, only sweeter," Mikey replied with just as much venom. A long silence followed, and then Pete spoke up again. "One night, and one more time."

RIGHT:

"Thanks for the memories, even though they weren't so great," Pete said spitefully.

"He tastes like you, only sweeter," Mikey replied with just as much venom.

A long silence followed, and then Pete spoke up again. "One night, and one more time."


HAHAHA! Maybe I will join this comm after all, just because I love you so much for writing this.

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[info]periculosa
2007-05-17 08:02 pm UTC (link)
LOL XD Thanks, I was rather proud of myself, in a hey-look-at-how-corny-I-am sort of way.

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[info]periculosa
2007-05-21 11:52 pm UTC (link)
:D I'm glad you think it was a good idea. And yeah, those mistakes make me want to spork my eyes out.

I was going to put that in, actually, but I felt then I'd have to put a whole separate "frequently misspelled words" section, and I really couldn't be arsed to do that since people should be using SPELL CHECK anyway (though it doesn't mean they actually do). Perhaps I'll put it under the Miscellaneous section?

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[info]itsallhushhush
2007-05-21 10:43 pm UTC (link)
This was good. I think I'm pretty good with English and writing, but I seriously make a lot of these mistakes, mostly with commas and whatnot. Next time I proof read one of my stories I'm going to break out my English book I got from college. It's called "The Least You Need to Know About English." It's really great because it's simple and easy to understand!

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[info]periculosa
2007-05-21 11:54 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you found it helpful!

Heh, that book sounds rather useful. I love grammar books! :D

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[info]m_to_the_awleee
2007-05-21 11:27 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Thanks for posting. I'm always nervous about pulling a grammar ninja. This really helped with all those little things that usually drive me crazy.

:] Yay grammar.

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[info]periculosa
2007-05-21 11:55 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome! I'll do anything to help educate the masses. xD

Yay grammar, indeed!

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[info]crazy_x_deppie
2007-05-22 12:15 am UTC (link)
=) Oh yes, you rock. You both do. I am not perfect in terms of writing skills, but I am an Enlish major and I do hate to read stories and such where the grammar is so horrible it makes me cringe.

<3 Thanks for the help.

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[info]periculosa
2007-05-22 12:44 am UTC (link)
:D You're welcome! I'm just glad people found it useful!

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[info]alyssathetiger
2007-05-22 12:36 am UTC (link)
I'm so</s> glad you posted this, because now I won't have to. =]
I'm gonna add this to my memories, not because I need it, but so that I can send people here to learn some grammar.

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[info]periculosa
2007-05-22 12:47 am UTC (link)
:D Awww, I'm flattered! I'm really glad you think it'll help!

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[info]xxblackink
2007-05-22 03:41 am UTC (link)
Thank you so much for posting this.

Although it needs to be pointed out that some people should just stick to a certain tense when writing their story.
For example, the start of their story would be in the present tense and halfway through, it jumps to the past tense.
It's quite annoying but there really isn't a way to 'explain' this, is there?

Oh well, I know I used to commit that sort of mistakes but now I'm certainly more careful about it. It would not be easy to get this mistake across because there is no way you can draw up a whole past to present tense conversion chart. I just thought that it should be pointed out.

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[info]periculosa
2007-05-22 04:24 am UTC (link)
You're welcome!

Yes! You're so very right. It drives me crazy when I'm reading something, and then all of a sudden there's a tense change. Like, in the middle of a paragraph. And no, there isn't really a way to explain it, but I'll include it in the post anyway, more to get people aware of it than anything else.

Thanks for the suggestion! ♥

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[info]yadora
2007-05-22 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Thank you so much for posting this.

I really hope people will take the time to read this. Although I'm not even a native English speaker, most of the rules are the same in Dutch, and it annoys me when something is wrong. ^_^"

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[info]periculosa
2007-05-28 09:23 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome! I hope so too. Mistakes ruin perfectly good stories, in my opinion. :)

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[info]blushandrecover
2007-05-23 01:10 am UTC (link)
I'm a little late on this, but you're my hero. Grammar Nazis rock on (it's only right, after all).

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[info]periculosa
2007-05-28 09:25 pm UTC (link)
xD Thanks! Ohhh, Grammar Nazis shall rule the world some day.

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-29 09:35 pm UTC (link)
wow, i didn't realise there were so many mistakes one could make when writing short stories for fun. next time i post i will try and make my english teacher proud :) XxxX

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