centaurea montana ([info]centaurea_m) wrote in [info]booshslashhaven,
@ 2007-12-30 23:24:00
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Hello, lurker creeping out of the woodwork *waves* to point out something I don't think anyone's mentioned on here yet...Booshslash mention in the Times yesterday!

At the bottom of this page, or full text under the cut: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/specials/article3069051.ece?token=null&offset=120



Manlove for ladies

When Noel Fielding and Julian Barratt of BBC comedy The Mighty Boosh snogged on air recently, it may have looked as if they were pandering (tongues literally in cheeks) to gay male fans. Comments on the YouTube clip of the clinch seemed to confirm this: “The hottest thing I’ve ever seen!”; “Oh sweet baby Jesus!” Until you get to: “I broked my ovaries!!”, and then you realise that many of the posters perving shamelessly over this man-on-man action are actually female. Welcome to the wonderful, if sometimes slightly perplexing, world of ladies who love men loving men.

Once, this scene was confined to obscure online groups of “slashers” – women who subversively outed a homoerotic subtext within the “buddy” genre for an online audience of other slashers. So Starsky played with Hutch’s clutch and Sam felt Master Frodo’s ring.

The Mighty Boosh snog aside, the semi-secret reason so many, from Desperate Housewives to Coronation Street, have boy-on-boy romances now is not political correctness, but because a large segment of their (mostly female) audience like seeing them get it on. Earlier this year, a gay bar in Melbourne had to go to court to get an order banning women. Apparently they were descending on the club en masse to ogle the canoodling men. Mark Simpson

Heh :) I love when slash occasionally peeks its head out from under the radar...I just had to post in case people had missed this!


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[info]planetbanjo
2007-12-30 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Ha! Excellent Boosh slash-spotting. Well done. :)

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[info]blewoutthestars
2007-12-30 11:39 pm UTC (link)
Hah, brilliant! It makes me laugh when people get surprised that some women (mostly us) are attracted to ghey...I mean, no one bats an eyelid when it'd mentioned that a lot of men like girl-on-girl, so why shouldn't we like a bit of boy-on-boy?

Mmmmm.

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[info]ringlunatic
2007-12-30 11:42 pm UTC (link)
I was just going to point that out as well. Maybe the article is written by a guy then? ;)

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[info]surrealistes
2007-12-30 11:41 pm UTC (link)
why is it bewildering that girls like boys kissing when men are practically ostracised if they don't like lezzers? the world is odd.

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[info]skyeotalvo
2007-12-30 11:49 pm UTC (link)
We are still unique. Cherish it while it lasts, before slashing becomes mainstream. *shudders*

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[info]amybugg
2007-12-30 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Ooh! We should come up with a name for ourselves!!!

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[info]peak_in_darien
2007-12-30 11:57 pm UTC (link)
The funniest bit of this to me is the fact that they quote "I broked my ovaries". HAHAHAHAHA.

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[info]justwolf
2007-12-31 12:05 am UTC (link)
I KNOW! That's just the perfect quote. :D

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[info]isadorabelleb
2007-12-31 12:19 am UTC (link)
Haha - love this "Welcome to the wonderful, if sometimes slightly perplexing, world of ladies who love men loving men."

Why perplexing?? I've always liked it!!

I've had arguments with men in the past who've tried to convince me women don't like men on men action and that it's somehow wrong. Whereas apparently men liking girl on girl is fine and peachy! Tits!!

I think I might have the following LJ motto! "Welcome to the wonderful world of ladies who love men loving men!"

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[info]emptypantry
2007-12-31 12:45 am UTC (link)
So Starsky played with Hutch’s clutch and Sam felt Master Frodo’s ring.

Oh god, I can't stop laughing. XD

Thanks for sharing~! >u< b

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[info]themogwai
2007-12-31 01:33 pm UTC (link)
You've got to hand it to the writer- he makes a cute story!
xx

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[info]silent_ivy
2007-12-31 12:47 am UTC (link)
its not perplexing.. its bloody hot. i fear i may like it a little too much sometimes but i wont go into that, save it for my therapist.

im also a little nervous about it becoming mainstream... i like it like this. *hides under covers with torch reading slashfic*

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[info]mspotamus
2007-12-31 04:37 am UTC (link)
You captured my thoughts exactly. :)

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[info]stranglers_gal
2007-12-31 01:48 am UTC (link)
That made me giggle ^.^ Ghey is good.

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[info]harry_luvsginny
2007-12-31 02:27 am UTC (link)
Yay for slash!
We should have man-on-man action ;) It keeps life fun.

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[info]bellathedork
2007-12-31 02:39 am UTC (link)
EPIC LOLS. That is brilliant! Thanks for sharing!

It was funny, a while ago we were having a BBQ and somehow we got onto this very topic. My sister was saying to her husband, "what is it with men being obsessed with girl on girl? Women aren't obsessed with guy on guy!" and they were having this full on discussion about it. Then my sister turns to me to back her up XD and I'm like, "uhhh... yeah...guy on guy...what's that about? eh-heh ehe..."

Haha, I didn't realise that slashers were an underground movement XD I've mostly just assumed that all women would see that logically, two men are better than one. But apparently not!

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[info]plain_jane08
2007-12-31 07:19 am UTC (link)
Haha, I'm often in situations like that! Except I take the other route and say "Well I think two guys getting if off is very exciting." People usually just shut up after that. It's quite a conversation killer among the intolerant or even the semi-intolerant. (Bearing in mind I have friends that make statements like "All gay men should be put in jail or killed"... yeah, I'm slowly trying to distance myself from these people... although I think they do it just to annoy me)

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[info]hollomaphone
2007-12-31 03:13 am UTC (link)
Lol. I can't believe the Times just quoted "I broked my ovaries"

But the 'perplexing' bit does annoy me slightly. Why is it perplexing? Most women fancy men, therefore two men together = hot. Especially if they're bi or straight obviously, so theres a chance we can join in on the action as it were :D

*marches for slashers rights*

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[info]accio_arse
2007-12-31 10:54 am UTC (link)
two men together = hot. Especially if they're bi or straight obviously

A very good point. It's even hotter if they're actually straight (or bi). Because being gay is just like being straight. There's nothing that exciting about it, really. Being gay isn't that exotic. If you're gay it's not like you suddenly get off doing the washing up or paying tax.

But when two good looking 'straight' guys like Julian and Noel suddenly start snogging each other? Yeah, that's SEXAY!

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[info]missus_madness
2007-12-31 05:41 am UTC (link)
Oh, brilliant! I love how people still freak about it, and I love that Julian and Noel totally embrace teh ghey; didn't they say something about kissing when drunk to show off?

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[info]plain_jane08
2007-12-31 07:12 am UTC (link)
Holy christballs, THERE'S NOTHING PERPLEXING ABOUT IT! As a heterosexual woman, why would I want to read about women having sex even if it is with men? (Not that I don't, but I'm making a point here!)That's why slash is so brilliant! Two men (or more ;P ) making sexy time, no vaginas.

As for it not being because of political correctness, no it's not, but I like to think I'm making the world a better play by accepting the ghey. It seems to me that lesbians are a lot more easily accepted (especially among men) and I like to think I'm sticking it to the homophobes when reading and writing slash. Plus it's just plain hot.

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[info]pteek
2007-12-31 10:41 am UTC (link)
Hmm, I think people are reading a bit much to the word 'perplexing' here. I kinda read it to mean that the world of slashers isn't perplexing because they like teh ghey, but because they tackle the issue in a way that's so completely different from the way men deal with the lesbian issue. To my knowledge, men don't write epic length fics full of drama and angst to go with the sexing, photoshop stuff to make it look slashy, do graphics and icons and vids that celebrate the slashiness of something... It's just such a different take on the issue, and I think that's what the writer of this article finds 'slightly perplexing'.

Anyways, nice article, thanks for sharing. :D

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[info]themogwai
2007-12-31 11:06 am UTC (link)
Dude, that is neat!
xx

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[info]pinkishmew
2007-12-31 04:34 pm UTC (link)
[giggles] GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! "I broked my ovaries" = new phrase, surely. "Manlove for ladies" also.

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[info]prairiestar
2007-12-31 10:31 pm UTC (link)
I really like that the Boosh kiss was a big enough deal to merit a mention of slash in the mainstream media. Not because I crave mainstream attention for slash, but because it means the show is successful enough to have its homoerotic moments qualify as cultural touchstones.
Also, it tickles me to have Mark Simpson writing about my hobbies and perverted interests. :)

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[info]xlions_roarx
2007-12-31 11:14 pm UTC (link)
"So Starsky played with Hutch’s clutch"
ahahahaa!

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[info]neek_love
2008-01-01 05:43 am UTC (link)
LMFAO @ 'I broked my ovaries!'

And yay for slash making it mainstream! It's a great sign of the times, I think, that this was outlined not as "ZOMG TEH GAYS!" but "Did you know there's some ravers on the net that like boys liking boys? Jolly good show!"

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[info]gemmadoes
2008-01-01 10:37 am UTC (link)
THEY USED A LINE OF MINE.
I'm GemmaDoes on YouTube and I left one of the mentioned comments!
MADE MY DAY, MADE IT.

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[info]neek_love
2008-01-02 01:06 am UTC (link)
Now you can tell all your mates you were quoted in the Times! Just be a little vague about what it was you were quoted on ^_^

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[info]dimortuisunt
2008-01-02 04:05 pm UTC (link)
sometimes i completely forget that not everyone reads slash XD

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[info]obeythebunny
2008-01-03 08:44 pm UTC (link)
"So Starsky played with Hutch’s clutch and Sam felt Master Frodo’s ring"
Yup. I had to clench hard to keep the pee in at that one *cackles* Fabulous stuff!

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[info]leonleif
2008-01-04 01:13 am UTC (link)
What an amazing article!
Amazing because I think it's the first time I've ever seen this subject dealt with in such a sensible and light-hearted way.
There's no input from dry and dusty psychologists saying that female slashers are disturbed individuals who substitute real-life sex and relationships with fantasy re-enactments between straight males (bit like the Sealed Knot?). There are no interior designers claiming that we're giving soft furnishings a bad name. There are no health experts berating us about our unhealthy unions with our computers. There are no celebrity chefs telling us that this diet of pr0n will lead to a sticky end.
Instead, it's a refreshing and fun 'glimpse' at the world of ladies who love men loving men. Yay!!

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[info]easilyled
2008-01-04 01:59 am UTC (link)
Okay... your comment has made me decide to "come out" here.

Mark Simpson is a gay male journalist who often writes on "queer" and "gender" topics. (He came up with the "metrosexual" theory.) We became e-friends ages ago, and I've often talked to him about slash. When The Times commissioned him to do this tiny article, he asked for my input. I gave him the Boosh kiss angle! Thought it would be a fresh and relevant way to look at it.

So, between him and me, that would explain why there wasn't a "shocked" or "pathological" take on "the slashing phenomenon."

Full disclosure: the reason he called slash "perplexing" is probably because the editors assured him that "our readers have never heard of slash." I also told him he should push for a bigger article because The Boosh are big entertainment news - but he said the editor he was dealing with had never heard of The Boosh!!

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