i wrote:
To Whom It May Concern:
I recently received an email from your LJ Abuse Team informing me that my that default userpic is inappropriate. I have carefully reviewed your restrictions for userpics and my user picture does not meet the criteria. It is not violate your TOS. Your TOS only specifies that "we require that your default userpic not contain anything too explicit. In particular, icons which are graphically sexual or violent in nature tend to be inappropriate for default userpics." In what way do you classify a photograph of an infant nursing, the single most natural act between a mother and child, as graphically sexual or violent in nature -- or indeed, as sexual at all? Breastfeeding is not a sexual act. It is not a violent act. This icon in no way violates your state Terms of Service.
Women have the legal right to breastfeed in public in all 50 states, many of which have laws which specifically protect a mother's right to feed her baby in public. Perhaps LiveJournal is not aware of the recent media coverage of cities governments and businesses which have tried to interfere with a mother's right to nurse her child?
Since you use a court ruling to define indecency and legally they'd be required to abide by the laws of the state where LJ is located (California) and also by the federal laws, perhaps you'd be interested to note these laws:
California: Cal. Civ. Code ?43.3
1997 Cal ALS 59; 1997 Cal AB 157; Stats 1997 ch 59
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a mother may breastfeed her child in any location, public or private, except the private home or residence of another, where the mother and child are authorized to be present.
In other words, breastfeeding in public isn't subject to indecency laws, and that means it isn't indecent. If it's not considered offensive to have pictures of you and your child in your journal, then a picture of you breastfeeding said child is also acceptable. Federal law also protects women during breastfeeding.
Federal law and California law both state that nursing is exempt from indecency laws, and LJ should abide by their laws.
Sincerely,
Cindy Collins
"It is curious commentary on our society that we tolerate all degrees of explicitness in our literature and mass media as regards sex and violence, but the normal act of breast feeding is taboo." - American Academy of Pediatrics.
response:
Dear Ms. Collins,
Thank you for your inquiry. The standards informing LiveJournal's policy governing default user picture icons are not, broadly speaking, grounded in specific legal codes. Because LiveJournal is a privately held company, it can choose to set and enforce guidelines for use that are more strict in places than United States law would otherwise be. Specifically, default user picture icons are prohibited to contain overt violence, or a direct, unobstructed view of any primary or secondary sexual characteristics, regardless of the content of the icon itself.
This policy and the email you received are not grounded in the belief that breastfeeding is illegal, obscene, inappropriate, or otherwise subject to censorship. Rather, the content restrictions placed on default user picture icons are made necessary by the fact that default icons can be seen in many places within the LiveJournal.com domain; their appearance is not limited to entries or comments for which they have been selected. Because these icons can be seen in places on the site where one would not reasonably expect to find sexually explicit content, such as user directories and searches, they must not contain material which may be considered inappropriate for viewing in certain settings. We realize that breastfeeding is not a sexual activity, however images depicting the activity cannot be used as default icons if they display an unobstructed view of the subject's breasts.
You are free to use your breastfeeding icons within your personal journal and communities. The content restrictions apply only to default icons; non-default user pictures are not subject to the same restrictions, and community maintainers are free to decide for themselves what content, if any, to disallow in their communities.
Finally, please be aware that write-in campaigns are never effective in swaying the opinion of the Abuse Team or LiveJournal administrators, or in focusing attention on a particular issue. A flood of requests concerning the same issue only serve to slow down the responses given to valid inquiries such as your request for policy clarification.
Regards,
Carson
LiveJournal Abuse Team
To Whom It May Concern:
I recently received an email from your LJ Abuse Team informing me that my that default userpic is inappropriate. I have carefully reviewed your restrictions for userpics and my user picture does not meet the criteria. It is not violate your TOS. Your TOS only specifies that "we require that your default userpic not contain anything too explicit. In particular, icons which are graphically sexual or violent in nature tend to be inappropriate for default userpics." In what way do you classify a photograph of an infant nursing, the single most natural act between a mother and child, as graphically sexual or violent in nature -- or indeed, as sexual at all? Breastfeeding is not a sexual act. It is not a violent act. This icon in no way violates your state Terms of Service.
Women have the legal right to breastfeed in public in all 50 states, many of which have laws which specifically protect a mother's right to feed her baby in public. Perhaps LiveJournal is not aware of the recent media coverage of cities governments and businesses which have tried to interfere with a mother's right to nurse her child?
Since you use a court ruling to define indecency and legally they'd be required to abide by the laws of the state where LJ is located (California) and also by the federal laws, perhaps you'd be interested to note these laws:
California: Cal. Civ. Code ?43.3
1997 Cal ALS 59; 1997 Cal AB 157; Stats 1997 ch 59
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a mother may breastfeed her child in any location, public or private, except the private home or residence of another, where the mother and child are authorized to be present.
In other words, breastfeeding in public isn't subject to indecency laws, and that means it isn't indecent. If it's not considered offensive to have pictures of you and your child in your journal, then a picture of you breastfeeding said child is also acceptable. Federal law also protects women during breastfeeding.
Federal law and California law both state that nursing is exempt from indecency laws, and LJ should abide by their laws.
Sincerely,
Cindy Collins
"It is curious commentary on our society that we tolerate all degrees of explicitness in our literature and mass media as regards sex and violence, but the normal act of breast feeding is taboo." - American Academy of Pediatrics.
response:
Dear Ms. Collins,
Thank you for your inquiry. The standards informing LiveJournal's policy governing default user picture icons are not, broadly speaking, grounded in specific legal codes. Because LiveJournal is a privately held company, it can choose to set and enforce guidelines for use that are more strict in places than United States law would otherwise be. Specifically, default user picture icons are prohibited to contain overt violence, or a direct, unobstructed view of any primary or secondary sexual characteristics, regardless of the content of the icon itself.
This policy and the email you received are not grounded in the belief that breastfeeding is illegal, obscene, inappropriate, or otherwise subject to censorship. Rather, the content restrictions placed on default user picture icons are made necessary by the fact that default icons can be seen in many places within the LiveJournal.com domain; their appearance is not limited to entries or comments for which they have been selected. Because these icons can be seen in places on the site where one would not reasonably expect to find sexually explicit content, such as user directories and searches, they must not contain material which may be considered inappropriate for viewing in certain settings. We realize that breastfeeding is not a sexual activity, however images depicting the activity cannot be used as default icons if they display an unobstructed view of the subject's breasts.
You are free to use your breastfeeding icons within your personal journal and communities. The content restrictions apply only to default icons; non-default user pictures are not subject to the same restrictions, and community maintainers are free to decide for themselves what content, if any, to disallow in their communities.
Finally, please be aware that write-in campaigns are never effective in swaying the opinion of the Abuse Team or LiveJournal administrators, or in focusing attention on a particular issue. A flood of requests concerning the same issue only serve to slow down the responses given to valid inquiries such as your request for policy clarification.
Regards,
Carson
LiveJournal Abuse Team


Comments
they say it can't be used if it displays an unobstructed view of a breast - but that doesn't even describe your icon, since the baby is obstructing the view. So they still haven't explained why, even with all those many empty words.
No this icon on the other hand... :) ..
In other words, "Please be aware that the concerns of our customers are never effective in swaying the opinion of this company, and we don't give a crap what your priorities are."
And for those curious, the nipple/areola rule does not apply to male nipples. Apparently they are not sexual.
Seriously though, I'm in NY and could walk around without a shirt, if I wanted to.
I live in Upstate NY (Saugerties/Kingston/Woodstock area)
Was it fun? The picnic, I mean, lol.
And EW, creepy men with binoculars. Which is also funny, because they could have just gone, LOL.
Police probably know many more of them, in detail, than the average person.
No human being on Earth could know ALL of them.
Ones like this they probably SHOULD look up before arresting someone, but then again, if they stopped every arrest to look up the law...
At least they were apologetic, which is more than the cops who arrested my mom for being peeved at them were.
Carson, you are an idiot. Get a life.
Almost any picture of any kind of animal is going to run aful of this ruling.
Just kidding. :)
Idiots.
And I just bought a paid membership, too.
We should search up a bunch of user icons that have things like bears and red lips and complain to the abuse team that these secondary sexual charactersitics are offensive. ;)
Really, they can do whatever they want. If LJ is still good by you, go for it. If it's not, don't. I'll still use it because that picture of my horrific facial hair hasn't attracted any attention. Don't blame it on LJ - blame it on the supersensitive fools they have to worry about. As a private entity, every dollar counts.
I think it was Tide that had a focus group look into how to make containers less likely to topple off of an unsteady pile of groceries onto the locks of someone's car door.
I don't figure to be on LJ long. I only registered to post this and the accompanying pic. Further posts & pics might well get me booted. Not a problem - I don't want to support a forum that treats its users this badly. I will be telling anyone who will listen about this shameful nonsense, and I hope all of you who hear about this do the same.
Like any other corporation, the only message they really listen to is their bottom line. If you are a paying subscriber, don't renew your subscription, and focus your writing campaigns on encouraging others not to do so either.
I'll have to think about whether I renew mine.
There is nothing at all wrong with breast feeding, all mothers should do it. There is nothing you can do to have a healther child.