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  • Apr. 16th, 2008 at 7:08 PM



Warning: shipping, sarcasm, bad poetry and stolen poetry.



I don't follow the Bleach anime regularly anymore, but I tune in for good fights (Ichigo versus Grimm the Hedgehog last week) and for the little shipping controversies that keep me off the streets and away from "abridged editions" of anime on YouTube. This morning I awoke to such a ruckus that I thought for a moment that Isshin's Gotei 13 position had been revealed, but no, it was only that episode 167 had changed a little bit of the manga to slant the story into a more (shoujo-shoujo-shoujo) Ichigo x Orihime bent.





Even some IchiOri shippers were calling the scene OOC because Orihime didn't blush when Ichigo took her hand but plenty were reveling in "anime canon." (I like the term--anime canon CAN totally defy manga canon, for one thing... let us argue now for forty years about whether it belongs in the fandom lexicon).

I, for one, can't staaaaand the pairing, but the story didn't seem too violated to me--not in the way some manga have been desecrated when turned into moving color pictures. Bleach, for all its regrettable filler (ugh, ugh, weepy OOC Ishida almost drowning in a puddle in his pajamas in the Bound arc!), is fairly faithful to the manga, and Kubo has more of a hand in the anime than most manga-ka. He does character designs but he doesn't really know what's been done to a scene until he gets the video footage in the mail. In interviews, at best, he's been polite when describing his surprise over how things turn can turn out in anime (because there are so many people involved, he claims, rather than just the one pushing the pen) and he's told his audiences in the spirit of a true artist: "What's fun in the anime and what's fun in the manga are two different things...What I recommend most is to read the manga first then watch the anime." (Shounen Jump, June 2007)


Although I'm partial to Kubo's drawn panels where Ichigo hoists Orihime on his back, accidentally insults her by insinuating that she's fat, Hime blushes up a storm and Nel socks Ichigo in the family jewels, some IchiOri viiiibe is supposed to be a part of the narrative here. It's here in the manga when Kubo deliberately teases the audience with this pairing possibility (Rukia is supposed to be dead in a puddle of blood atm) and it was last summer I wrote all my authorial intent essays to answer some of my friends' speculations--you know, the kind gentle offhand observations like wtf is KUBO DOING with this arc? Where is he going? Did he forget the past five years?

Not a couple weeks ago, IchiRuki shippers were jumping because at a convention in Tokyo, Pierrot had this little item (actually a large shikiji) up for sale in honor of its 30th anniversary:



Take all the openings and endings where Ichi and Ruki sleep side by side and cavort here and there in main-couple status, take the jealous of Rukia filler characters (Rin and Nel) and Nel's little added line "What's your relationship with Itsycho?" to Rukia and yeah, one could say Pierrot ships IchiRuki.

This is the studio that NEGLECTED Orihime's manga-canon crush on Ichigo for years, after all, so yeah *draws circle in sand with big toe and looks sheepish* maybe the studio is trying to make up for that big boo-boo?

The rest of the day found me and my IchiRuki buds trying to mollify ourselves with the idea that it always seems that whenever the anime effs up Kubo's story, Kubo comes back with a vengance. I can't remember all the incidences people recalled but being an Ishida-holic, I had a story to contribute. During the Bound arc, when Ishida was being character-assassinated along with being flung every which way by bad guys in this horrible filler, dressed in women's clothing in Kon's imagination and rape-kissed by a vampiric older woman, Non-tan and some other Bleach seiyuu were asked by fans on Japanese radio why it was that whenever Ishida was beaten up or tossed against a wall, his glasses didn't fall off? Non-tan giggled and said he didn't know. Kubo RIGHT AWAY drew the chapter in which Ryuuken shoots Ishida and behold, we have a whole panel devoted to Ishida's glasses flying off.

An IchiOri handshake! Kubo will draw IchiRuki coitus!


Disclaimer: Bleach was created by Kubo Tite, and he, Studio Pierrot, Viz Comics, and Shueisha Inc. make the bucks off it, but the story and characters belong to all who love it and even those who could give a rat's ass about it. WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF POSTMODERN ART!

How to enjoy a work of art if you're not the manga-ka:

Appropriate that text! Shake, rattle and roll the source material! In other words, write fanfictions. Draw post-modern cartoons. Produce movies that deviate from the manga timeline or produce an entire anime the plot of which deviates completely from the manga.



My friend in Italy, Mezz, found a comic in Japan, about Ishida and Orihime watching the anime version of Bleach. (Btw,
[info]mezzo_marinaio did the translations and wants everyone to know she apologizes for her poor Japanese).





TV:
"They're a couple, but one of them holds a secret they can't tell the other..."
Orihime: Ishida-kun doesn't have any secret he can't tell me, right?
Ishida: Aaah... of course...............
Orihime: Ishida-kun...
Ishida: ...Inoue-san.
Ishida: I... if we go by the anime version... (I think, the kanji are very small)
Bounto girl: Thank you, Quincy-san...
Ishida: I-I... always thought I'd have my first kiss with Inoue-san, but in reality... that bounto miss...
Orihime: Eeeeh... it's just something like that?
Ishida: *shocked*






Orihime: If we're talking about Ishida-kun's first kiss...
Orihime: ....mmmmmh, like I thought... the covers aren't enough for the cold...
Orihime: Ishida-kuuun!
Orihime: Aaaahhh... it's warm! I used to do this with my brother when I was little...
Ishida: *murmurs something*
Orihime: Aaaaw... so cute!
Orihime: So... like that...
Ishida: Eeeeeeh! B-but... wait! Inoue-san... at that time, you liked Kurosaki, didn't you...?
Orihime: Mmmh, that's right. I suppose the fact that now I'm here with Ishida-kun is something like FATE, right?
Ishida: I-Inoue-san...
Orihime: So...
Orihime: From now on, every one of Ishida-kun's kisses will be mine, ok!


It was only yesterday, before ep 167 aired that a friend and I were going HEADDESK HEADDESK HEADDESK over what we heard were IchiOri shippers attempts to rewrite Kubo's databook poems to "favor" their ship (don't ask--for some reason, because Orihime glows in chapter 166 and because of other metaphorical resonances in the manga, some shippers have designated Orihime to be the "White Sun" in the fashion that Kubo called Ichigo "Black Sun" and Rukia "White Moon" in the databook poems).

For the record, the Kubo poem is The rain drags Black Sun down but the rain dried by White Moon. And inside the Souls book, next to a picture of Ichigo is the poem "the sun that locks heaven" and in the Vibes book, next to a picture of Rukia is the poem "the moon that erases the night."




The plan, as I understand it, was for the poem to be rewritten for somehow Orihime, the White Sun, to dry up Ichigo's... er... rain? And for this to be included in a signature or motif of some sort in a public arena for the purposes of ship-flag waving, etc, etc.... all in good fun, right?

At first, my friends and I were appalled in all sorts of puritanical manga-snob ways about any attempts (and sadly, these weren't even humorous attempts, I believe) to appropriate the poems to fit Ichigo and Orihime. Then, we thought--WHY NOT?

I wrote: Black cat drags white mouse down but purple slurpee dried by red light district.

Then [info]adam_epp just showed me all up and wrote parodies of Kubo's volume poems. See if you can guess which ones. (sorry Adam, you put them out there--ART BELONGS TO THE MASSES! I'VE TAKEN THEM AND REPRINTED THEM! I saw no copyright, mister!)

"If I were the pr0n
That joins same-sex girls that otherwise never touch
Could I join to make it a threeway?"

"That's right. No one else can haXors my world."

"I can't eat you without holding a fork
I can't spam you while holding a spoon."

"Those who do not know what teh NSFW is
liken it to beauty.
Those who claim to know what teh NSFW is
liken it to ugliness."

"Doesn't matter who it is
I'll fucking pwn anybody."

"If it rusts, it can never be trusted
If its owner fails to control it, it will cut him
Yes, wit is
Like a spoon."


And yes, others got into the act and we were in one another's shoutboxes all this morning because there were no spoilers and we are goofy children, heaven help us.

Comments

[info]gully_moe wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 02:38 am (UTC)
I haven't watched the episode yet, but I looked at some screen caps, and I saw that picture, I was like "OMG WUT? ROMANCE IN MY BLEACH?" I mean it looks frickin' adorable and all, but I think the animators went a little too far in doing that. Orihime and Ichigo were never quite that intimate.

I don't ship these two. I mean I prefer Ichigo with Rukia, but wherever Kubo is going, I don't mind if this becomes canon, but to make it look canon when it's not in the manga quite yet...is erm... just. not. right.

And it certainly is out of character for Orihime to not blush about that. I mean it's probably the first time he touches her like that... and she's comfortable?

I mean the slinging her on the shoulder thing is certainly an Ichigo thing to do, but to hold hands like that and stare at the sky? ICHIGO BEING ROMANTIC WITH GIRLS? WTF?

I'm on a hate/love basis with the anime right now.
[info]_debbiechan_ wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 12:47 pm (UTC)

I finally watched the ep. It really looks like the animators wanted some sort of resolution ending before the new fillers started so they went this cornball routine--it's not unromantic, though. The anime loves hand-holding. I didn't complain when they added Orihime falling and Ishida catching her by the hand in the SS arc but that was pure filler too. Phony romance. More IC for Ishida to be gallant but not totally OOC for Ichigo to offer his hand--just that I liked the hoisting Hime over his shoulder better.
[info]gully_moe wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah I can see that they were trying to make it be a good ending, but.... still... =/ They could have done something a bit different. But whatever, I don't take filler scenes seriously anymore.

They might do the shoulder thing once the episodes come back to manga canon... I mean I hope they do, it was a funny scene.
[info]xilvrin wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 02:59 am (UTC)
Orihime, now with confidence
Hey, its all cool with me! (likes Ichigo/Orihime).

Mostly I'm happy, that in anime at least, they both got over their quirks... Ichigo got over thinking that girls have cooties and felt ok in actually touching one's skin and Orihime got over being too embarassed to act on her crush. So yay.

and I like Adam's altered poems! The first one is so very true of the internet fanboys lol
[info]_debbiechan_ wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 12:50 pm (UTC)
Re: Orihime, now with confidence

I want a happy Hime too but there's going to be a little dissonance when we see Kubo's actual resolution to her issues in the manga and then again in the anime.

I do want to see Ichigo throw Orihime over his shoulder though--I loved that moment. It was so la la la, dooby doo doo, and really cute.
[info]xilvrin wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
Re: Orihime, now with confidence
-I'm alright with the anime being a bit different from the manga. If the adaptation was word-for-word then watching the anime would be boring for me, as I'd already read ahead in the manga. As long as they don't get too OOC (like if Icihigo started reacting the way Kon does around girls, I'd cry foul). I have no idea how the Orihime situation will end up in the manga, I'm still rooting for her to find a way to rescue herself.

-yeah, it was funny.... and his general reaction to girls. carried Rukia around like dead weight, carried Nel around, carried Orihime around. When he picks up girls, he literally picks them up. LOL.
[info]wdboldstar wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 03:10 am (UTC)
Like I said in a certain other community, I'm not too concerned either. They already botched one of my favorite scenes in the Manga this arc ("Aren't we Nakama?"), so one more botched scene isn't too much to worry over. The Manga is supreme, and I am pretty positive that once the Pendulum swings back to the present, it will also swing toward Ichiruki. The Authorial intent is clear. :)

Also, I am so glad I am not the only one who is still sore about how they treated poor Ishida in the Bounto Arc. Kubo really needs to give him another truly Heroic arc to make up for it. :D
[info]_debbiechan_ wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 12:53 pm (UTC)

Yeah, when Ishida showed up in the manga after the filler arc, he SO kicked anime-Ishida's ass to THE CURB. He was so snarky to Ichigo whereas anime-Ishida had been so docile and buddy-buddy.

I'm sure that Kubo's got everything in control. I expect great things from the manga this summer. MAN, HAVE YOU SEEN THE SPOILERS FOR -105. I'd post but I'm in the middle of Passover prep. Crazy good. Bleach is number 1 in the SJ rankings this week and oh yeah, I see why!
[info]wdboldstar wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 01:58 pm (UTC)
I have indeed.

Of course, now I wonder what Yoruichi's "Byakuya-bo" nickname REALLY means XD

And if Gin corrupted Aizen, or vice versa...

Want Manga now!
[info]_debbiechan_ wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 05:44 pm (UTC)

Annie's going to be all over the summaries today--she's just waiting to translate and I'm just waiting to read. But I gotta SEEE this one.

WOO, WHAT A CHAPTER! KAIEN! GIN! BYA-BOY!
[info]furato wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 10:06 am (UTC)
I am convinced one guy from Pierrot read my Manga-Anime Difference page and just want to prove me wrong that they're IchiRuki-slanted.

"You're saying we're writing out IchiHime? We'll write IN more IchiHime than you can chew, kiddo!"
[info]furato wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 10:14 am (UTC)
The rest of the day found me and my IchiRuki buds trying to mollify ourselves with the idea that it always seems that whenever the anime effs up Kubo's story, Kubo comes back with a vengance.
It reminds me of one scene in the Bount Arc where Orihime acts very casually while she's in Ichigo's room. I'm so glad when chapter 237 came out and showed how a proper "Orihime in Ichigo's room" reaction should be done.
[info]_debbiechan_ wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 12:43 pm (UTC)

Yes! That was one fine Kubo moment! I remember going "sock it to the fillers, baby."
[info]grass_angel wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 11:11 am (UTC)
I get the first parody, and I think the last one has to do with Zaraki? A few of the others seems familiar too.

I want to see if they at least kept the Nel kicking him in the balls and telling him to be more delicate with the ladies.
[info]_debbiechan_ wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 12:42 pm (UTC)

That just seems too juicy and funny to leave out. I hope to see it too--after all, they still have to get down from that high place.
[info]r0ck3tsci3ntist wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 02:08 pm (UTC)
Ichigo is gay and nothing anyone can do will convince me differently. LOL!

*dons flamesuit*

No, seriously, I just don't think Ichigo is ready for girls yet. :p Why, oh why is it that I just can't get interested in him when everyone else in the manga fascinates me?
[info]_debbiechan_ wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 05:38 pm (UTC)

I'm kinda with you on that one. I'm one of the few fangirls around who has a hard time seeing the sexy in Ichigo--I love him but his personality just screams 16 years old to me, no matter how HAWT Kubo draws him. He gets the sexiest *****tension***** with Ishida early in the manga but Grimmjow is his real lovah now. Still, big IchiRuki fangirl here bc I believe Kubo is. If it was up to me, I'd skootch the ages in shounen up a few years and throw in some bathroom sex.
[info]r0ck3tsci3ntist wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 06:34 pm (UTC)
LOL! Yes, on all points.

If Ichi could mature about ten years he would be seriously hot but as it is... I agree though, there does seem to be a Ichi/Rukia hook up in the cards, which kinda bums me out because I like Rukia with Renji but sadly he's playing second fiddle to everyone these days.
[info]_debbiechan_ wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)

RENJI will get lotsa Quincy loving in my fic and he's got a surprise partner in one of my upcoming canon timeline fics (when o when will I finish that damn thing!) and I've got a RenRuki (oh I love that pairing!) on the backburner too.

RENJI NEEDS LOVE, DAMNIT.
[info]wdboldstar wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 06:15 pm (UTC)
I actually agree that Ichigo still has major girl issues, more than usual for a teenage boy at that. He VERY often seems to have never managed to get past the "girls have cooties" stage.

I just think (and believe Kubo thinks) that Rukia will finally be the girl who gets him over that, is all. :)
[info]r0ck3tsci3ntist wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 06:35 pm (UTC)
I agree that if there's a pair to be made, it'll be them, whether I like it or not. ;)
[info]tsukiryuu wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC)
I gotta agree with you both. Ichigo, not matter how sexy Kubo draws him, comes off like a kid. But put him with Grimmkitty and RAWR! Now you have my OTP for this series.

I so want to see Ichigo leave Hueco Mundo with Grimmjow over his shoulders. XD
[info]adam_epp wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 05:01 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, I've used up pretty much all the short poems. Oh well. Sometimes, all you need to do is change one word.

"Bob, we
Look upon you
As one would a peacock.
A look that borders on
Anticipation, adoration, and something
Akin to neverending terror."
[info]_debbiechan_ wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 05:41 pm (UTC)


*ded from delight of the poetry*

*resurrects to say something*

That poem with the peacock is one of my favorites. I remember trying to convince everyone at BA how really scary free-range peacocks are. People have them all over gardens here in South Louisiana (and presumably Japan). The evil ones will chase you for your potato chips.
[info]adam_epp wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
God damn peacocks!

...Here's one I wrote in response to Chappyrules:

"Yes, there is no Crack Fic for us
Only those who are swallowed by
Lurve and fangirling and miss a step
Fall into the rapid river called Crack Fic."
[info]chichiris_chica wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2008 01:50 pm (UTC)
I think the image looks quite nice, actually, though from the looks on their faces and all of that 'not that shippy'. And I think IchiHime is alright, mind you, but it just doesn't seem like 'one of those moments'?

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