Binky Betsy ([info]cookie77) wrote in [info]binky_betsy,
@ 2006-11-28 07:01:00
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Entry tags:granthony the amazing, liz regressed, lizthony, paul is toast, the trial

I'm opening a second thread
to cope with the traffic. If there's anyone about who hasn't checked in yet, it's going to be difficult for them to wade through three pages, two of which are collapsed.

As I said moments ago, I'm actually hoping Paul dies now. He had outlived his usefulness as a character, and this way, his honor will stay intact. Just hope there won't be too many staring-into-space last panels. I hope Liz goes too far off the rails for that.


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[info]julieannie
2006-11-28 03:12 pm UTC (link)
I'm hoping for Paul and Susan to wed and then Granthony gets hit by a car and dies and Liz is alone, left to see exactly where she went wrong.

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[info]debjyn
2006-11-28 05:30 pm UTC (link)
..and Liz will live the rest of her life with Elly and John because it is fate.

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[info]inagawayuu
2006-11-28 03:16 pm UTC (link)
I am now just dreading the inevitable "Paul Cheats" storyline. The set-up is already there.

I'm with you Cookie. I want Paul to either die, or to be the one to walk in on Liz and Anthony. I want Liz to be the one to be called on all she has done to wreck their relationship. Liz has already been cheating on Paul since that email from April. She and Anthony are the same.

I want Liz to look in the mirror and realize that she has done to Paul what Eric did to her.

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[info]julieannie
2006-11-28 03:38 pm UTC (link)
I think Liz and Eric deserve each other.

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(no subject) - [info]debjyn, 2006-11-28 05:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amalthea_foob, 2006-11-28 05:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]debjyn, 2006-11-28 10:28 pm UTC

[info]prettypinkkitty
2006-11-28 03:38 pm UTC (link)
But he's Mr. WRIGHT. RIGHT. I thought this guy was set up to make him the future of Liz! Is this now only set up so that Lynn can get out her "banging a cop" fantasy, and now she's going to "prove" to us that Granthony is better than a handsome mountie who MOVES all around Canada to follow her and has an awesome job and says all the admiring right things? Has Lynn not ever heard the first thing my mommy taught me about boys, "if he does it to her, he'll do it to you"? AKA, lie and force her to have babies?!?!?!?!?

I don't want Paul to die, and I don't want Liz to end up with Granthony. I want Paul to show up, Liz to realize that Granthony is seriously creepy and cheaty, and then Liz and Paul can get married. I also want a money tree and Jimmy Choos, but I'm still going to hope.

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All those red herrings?
[info]debjyn
2006-11-28 05:36 pm UTC (link)
In addition to Mr. Wright, we had the "always return" of Liz's spirit name, the "we met for a reason", blah, blah. If this does play out as predicted, then this whole strip seems like it was strung together by a dozen different people without any plot or thought whatsoever.

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Re: All those red herrings? - [info]nicolars, 2006-11-28 06:54 pm UTC
Re: All those red herrings? - [info]red_eft, 2006-11-29 06:57 am UTC
Re: All those red herrings? - [info]brendancalling, 2006-11-28 07:06 pm UTC
Re: All those red herrings? - [info]prettypinkkitty, 2006-11-28 07:21 pm UTC
Re: All those red herrings? - [info]jenfullmoon, 2006-11-28 07:22 pm UTC
Re: All those red herrings? - [info]brendancalling, 2006-11-28 08:21 pm UTC
She will return... - (Anonymous), 2006-11-28 08:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jenfullmoon, 2006-11-28 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]reebchan, 2006-11-28 09:21 pm UTC

[info]rosebunting
2006-11-28 03:53 pm UTC (link)
I don't want the future mobius strip Foob to be featuring Liz and Granthony. Forever. Maybe the paper will only carry it on its website, and free the newspaper page for something different. Like forever Annie or classic Moose Miller. Anything else.

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Three Things I Hate About Liz (Please Add More?)
[info]just_jess_b
2006-11-28 03:59 pm UTC (link)
1. Liz is self-righteous.

Nothing can ever be wrong with Liz. Her emotions are more important than her commitments, and the whole of the Patterson family dances around her like a wishy-washy maypole.

2. She is spineless when it comes to her parents.

When she was in Mtigwaki, the character never made April-face. You know, the teenager whining face? Liz is immature around her parents. Liz is incapable of being an adult around her parents. Liz needs to be away from her parents.

3. She can do the same evils others have done to her and still be Saint-in-Training Liz.

Liz : Eric :: Paul : ??
Everyone has said it here. Everyone knows it.

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Re: Three Things I Hate About Liz (Please Add More?)
[info]marywebgirl
2006-11-28 04:55 pm UTC (link)
Amen to #2. Being around my parents turns me into an insufferable brat, so I'm not around my parents very much. And I sure as shit would do everything in my power to avoid moving back in with them.

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[info]ellcee
2006-11-28 04:09 pm UTC (link)
Lynn,

You suck.

LC

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[info]alsoevso
2006-11-28 08:44 pm UTC (link)
AMEN. I read today's strip, and I actually thought, "Oh my F***ing Gawd." I knew it was coming, but Jeebus.

I wish I could stop reading it. I really wish I could!

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This is how I cope with today's foobiness.
[info]raeling
2006-11-28 04:13 pm UTC (link)
Anthony's mustache quivers in fear. "But Mr. Mayes, I don't understand why I have to maintain this charade..."

"Silence!" barks the voice from behind the imposing back of the leather armchair. "How many times must I tell you- if you want to keep your job, if you want to put food in the mouth of your mewling French brat, then you'll marry Elizabeth Patterson."

His shoulders slump a few more inches, and he timorously manages to squeak, "But I don't understand why you're so desperate for her to marry me- why, she had that perfectly nice fellow up north, didn't sh-" His protest is interrupted by a loud, wheezy chortle.

"You think Constable Wright would be good enough for the Pattersons? Let me educate you a little, Caine. Mama Patterson makes sure her offspring cultivate so-called diverse friends- why do you think Lawrence gets trotted out so often, and not me? If I were Brazilian and gay, I'd be a much bigger presence in this town..." Gordon Mayes fingers his fleshy upper lip thoughtfully. "But pay that no mind. Elly Patterson was thrilled for Liz to spend a year or so up in the untamed North, meeting a passel of adorable First Nations children, no doubt. But a son-in-law who was less than lily white? I'm afraid that," his fingertips tap together, "was simply not in her plan."

Anthony manages to stammer an objection: "But Mr. Mayes! There's no way I would ever want to support"- his mustache quivers- "such open racism! Why, you know my beloved ex-wife... my beautiful Therese whom you made me divorce for the sake of seducing Elizabeth... you know she was Quebecoise!"

"Your youthful idealism is such a delightful contrast to your old-fashioned facial hair, Anthony." Another generous chuckle. "You may not be racist, and I may not be racist, but we all know who runs this town. If I didn't help Elly Patterson marry off her daughter to a suitably Caucasian suitor before she turned thirty, I'd be run out of town on a rail. I'd lose everything. And you wouldn't want that, would you, Anthony?"

Anthony gulps, his face pale under his freckles.

"Would you?"

"Of course not, Mr. Mayes."

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Re: This is how I cope with today's foobiness.
[info]jenfullmoon
2006-11-28 07:24 pm UTC (link)
Ooooh. I think you could join the foefic brigade very nicely!

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[info]andylightkai
2006-11-28 04:18 pm UTC (link)
For the past several months with the Liz/Anthony storyline, it's been like watching a plane take off with low fuel, faulty instruments, a drunken pilot, and three engines that are on their last legs. For as long as this whole idiotic and insulting trial storyline has been played out with Liz's return home (running away from Paul who got a transfer to be near her), we've been watching, silently (okay, vocally) dreading and waiting for the moment where everything goes to hell.

As far as I am concerned, this is the moment. This is where the plane starts to crash. It can only go downhill from here. Every morning when I wake up, I will dread reading this strip, because I know I will see a dreadful assassination of Paul's character, with a buildup of Anthony as perfect and Liz accepting her place at his side (and in his freakish daughter-cage).

We watched the Titanic cast off from England. The iceberg just hit. Now it's all just sinking.

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[info]jenfullmoon
2006-11-28 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Bwahahah.

I dread the day we get to watch Liz and Granthony make out with the pornstashe.

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[info]akibare
2006-11-28 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Only slightly on topic, I must say that threading on LiveJournal is highly annoying.

Yay for the new thread.

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[info]seiresea
2006-11-28 04:42 pm UTC (link)
threading-wise, I just discovered greasmonkey for firefox and it has a script you can install that unfolds collapsed threads.

but of course this is only for firefox. 'Cause they are cool like that. :)

(anyone else know of any other solutions for IE and stuffage?)

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[info]akibare
2006-11-28 04:56 pm UTC (link)
I am so on that. Presumably "greasemonkey" from the firefox add-ons?

Going now...

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(no subject) - [info]seiresea, 2006-11-28 05:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]akibare, 2006-11-28 05:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amalthea_foob, 2006-11-28 05:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sushidragon, 2006-11-28 06:15 pm UTC
So happy! - (Anonymous), 2006-11-28 10:09 pm UTC
coincidence? - [info]fefferbee, 2006-11-28 07:57 pm UTC
Re: coincidence? - [info]seiresea, 2006-11-28 08:46 pm UTC
Thought about this on my way to work
[info]albuqwirkymom
2006-11-28 04:48 pm UTC (link)
At least Michaleigha showed some guilt and remorse about exploiting Deanna's accident.

Liz has NO redeeming qualities. None.

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Re: Thought about this on my way to work
[info]opeiastea
2006-11-28 05:04 pm UTC (link)
At least Michaleigha showed some guilt and remorse about exploiting Deanna's accident.

I'm a little late to the game. When did this happen?

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Re: Thought about this on my way to work - [info]howtheduck, 2006-11-28 05:13 pm UTC
Re: Thought about this on my way to work - [info]aquamarine23, 2006-11-28 05:17 pm UTC
Re: Thought about this on my way to work - [info]dantheman70, 2006-11-29 02:23 am UTC

[info]quesrah
2006-11-28 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Maybe LJ is just getting us mad in order to get attention and tomorrow Lizardbreath will actually stand up to her parents. That's the one shred of hope I'm clinging to.

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-28 07:12 pm UTC (link)
I am holding out hope for that too. I hope she is just trying to make us mad and will then change it all around just to mess with us.

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(no subject) - [info]jenfullmoon, 2006-11-28 07:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-11-28 10:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cookie77, 2006-11-29 12:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]debjyn, 2006-11-29 03:46 am UTC
Paul and his transfers
[info]aquamarine23
2006-11-28 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering if Paul had ever actually transferred to Spruce Narrows, and if he had put in for the transfer south. Here, for your enlightenment, is how I wasted my time this morning.

When we first see Paul, he is bringing Elly to the Police Station in Otter County:

http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/archives/001393.php

So, when he meets Liz at her stargazing party a couple of months later, he is working in Otter County.

Feb. 22, 2006 Paul has asked to be transferred to Spruce Narrows, "just an hour away". "If a position comes up there, I think I'll get it."

http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/archives/001660.php

This is the week of strips where we get some dopey Liz-Paul flirting, and Liz dancing in her socks, loving "being in love."

The next time the transfer is mentioned is in this strip, where Liz is talking to Vivian about possibly leaving Mtigwaki

http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/archives/001830.php

Vivian says "What about Paul? He's already applied for a transfer to Spruce Narrows." Which seems to indicate a transfer hadn't yet happened, since she didn't say "He's already transferred to Spruce Narrows."

2 days later, Paul says: "I put in for a transfer so I could be closer."

http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/archives/001832.php

Then, a couple of days later, he says he will "ask about a transfer down south," while thinking "I'll ask . . . I don't know how seriously."

http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/archives/001834.php

A month or so later, in the strips where we find out that Paul knows Susan Dokis, he mentions the transfer again, and he seems to be happy about it. Since Liz is moving, he must be referring to the transfer down South.

http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/archives/001875.php

So, it looks to me like the transfer to Spruce Narrows had not yet happened when Liz hit Paul with the news about moving down south. And that last strip indicates that he did put in for a transfer south, which would presumably have cancelled out the previous transfer request. So, I think Paul is still in Otter County, and is awaiting a transfer south. For his sake, I hope he doesn't get it.

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Re: Paul and his transfers
[info]howtheduck
2006-11-28 05:16 pm UTC (link)
You are correct. In the Who's Who page, it still lists Paul as being in Otter County.

http://www.fbofw.com/features/who/index.php?id=103

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Re: Who's Who - [info]debjyn, 2006-11-28 05:52 pm UTC
Re: Who's Who - [info]chef_mike, 2006-11-28 08:51 pm UTC
Re: Paul and his transfers - [info]bwross, 2006-11-29 06:58 am UTC
This just won't work--
[info]debjyn
2006-11-28 05:29 pm UTC (link)
You know, we keep mentioning how LJ is thinking that all the readers will forget Granthony's behavior after the assault and the awful things Liz has been doing to Paul. How on earth does she expect this to not be noticed in a "Liz/Granthony Collection Book" which will chronicle they're oh, so wonderful romance?

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Re: This just won't work--
[info]reneesid
2006-11-28 05:43 pm UTC (link)
She'll do some editing first.

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A second thread!
[info]maryanntherest
2006-11-28 05:42 pm UTC (link)
A second thread! Scorn is heaped on from everywhere! Boo to the reactionary Pattersons! "Where's your native, mixed race boyfriend, at work? His priorities are un-Canadian! All those people do is work!" Boo, Lynn, boooo!!!

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Re: A second thread!
[info]debjyn
2006-11-28 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Why, the mixed race boyfriend is taking up with the new teacher, his "own kind" you know.

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Re: A second thread! - [info]ellcee, 2006-11-28 06:23 pm UTC
moving to new communities - [info]akibare, 2006-11-28 06:54 pm UTC
Re: A second thread! - [info]debjyn, 2006-11-28 08:17 pm UTC
Re: A second thread! - [info]albuqwirkymom, 2006-11-28 08:59 pm UTC
Re: A second thread! - [info]cookie77, 2006-11-29 12:11 am UTC
Re: A second thread! - [info]bwross, 2006-11-29 07:30 am UTC
Re: A second thread! - [info]jschillig, 2006-11-29 08:33 pm UTC
Re: A second thread! - [info]bwross, 2006-11-29 10:14 pm UTC
Re: A second thread! - [info]aussiereader, 2006-11-29 04:43 am UTC

[info]reneesid
2006-11-28 05:44 pm UTC (link)
Instead of getting mad, I'm actually looking forward to gawking at this train wreck. I can't wait for the letters.

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[info]mellowcandle
2006-11-28 06:33 pm UTC (link)
I'm spitting mad, but I'm so looking forward to the letters that it's unhealthy. Retcon away, Lynn!

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(no subject) - [info]marywebgirl, 2006-11-28 07:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cookie77, 2006-11-29 12:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]johncomic, 2006-11-29 12:36 am UTC
The Last Panel
[info]debjyn
2006-11-28 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Well, now we will see if Liz has "anything worth fighting for", like say the man you supposedly love. Except for this most passive person in the world, she would never think of really doing anything except yelling. I would have my bags packed and out of those hateful parent's house in 10 minutes.

And if Liz's lips get any bigger they will be in the front seat.

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[info]luanndegroot
2006-11-28 06:30 pm UTC (link)
If Lynn really wanted to hook Granthony and Liz up that bad, she definitely should have killed off Paul. Then us pro-Paul people could console ourselves by thinking "Liz really belonged with Paul. If only he hadn't died - damn those caribou!" And we could excuse her, in her grief, for marrying the first guy that came along. But making Paul out to be the bad guy after Liz left him is just infuriating.

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RARGH
[info]laurinoo
2006-11-28 07:17 pm UTC (link)
I am so mad, it's almost embarrassing. I cannot fucking BELIEVE today's strip, for all the reasons so many people have listed already. Argh!

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[info]fleeps
2006-11-28 07:39 pm UTC (link)
Isn't it pathetic how John and Elly treat Liz like a little girl sometimes? But then again, she hardly proves that she's capable of being treated as an adult.

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[info]raeling
2006-11-28 08:27 pm UTC (link)
I love your redone strips. They're so much better than the real thing!

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(no subject) - [info]fleeps, 2006-11-28 09:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dantheman70, 2006-11-29 02:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]foobilicious, 2006-12-02 01:56 am UTC

[info]bumiputera
2006-11-28 08:21 pm UTC (link)
whoops,I didn't notice the new thread and posted in the wrong place. I will just say again that I hate this imbecilic strip more than any, ever. What excrement, what moronic feculence. I mean really.

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Trying to find something good
[info]albuqwirkymom
2006-11-28 09:11 pm UTC (link)
I don't like Liz, that snooty spoiled brat. But to her credit she does seem to remember she has a boyfriend.

Elly though...the pimping of Granthony...the valuing the word of a delinquent over her own child...the killing of Farley due to negligent parenting...the abandonment of her father.

I hate Elly. Elly is fucking evil. Elly! Must! Die!

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Re: Trying to find something good
[info]debjyn
2006-11-29 04:12 am UTC (link)
And now the battle lines have been drawn. John & Elly have clearly spelled it out that only Granthony is acceptable to them, Paul has not met their approval. Therefore, Liz has two choices: 1. Do exactly as mommy and daddy want, but convince herself that it is the correct choice because Granthony is always there, and she really cares about him....or 2. Choose Paul, and realize that he will never, ever, be accepted by her family. Wow, what a great dysfunctional family.

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Pompous Jerks
[info]debjyn
2006-11-28 10:44 pm UTC (link)
Another thing that really gets to me is that Paul drove Liz all the way to Milborough (hoping obviously to meet her family--he was that serious; something that John never did and Elly only twice. Granthony never.). Paul is not some casual guy, but it appears that Elly and John refuse to even acknowledge him, plus dissing him. I can just see the fugly twins staring down their bulbous noses at him during the entire time he was there.

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longtime lurker/firsttime poster
[info]lilpupdog
2006-11-28 11:02 pm UTC (link)
Livejournal is blocked where I work, and I've been stewing all day over this morning's strip, so it was nice to come home and read through all these comments. Shut. Up. Elly.

Lest we forget: Elly set Liz up with Paul by foisting a picture of Liz upon him!

Gah!

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Re: longtime lurker/firsttime poster
[info]ur1_sickpuppy
2006-12-01 04:29 am UTC (link)
Welcome, lilpupdog-- love the Walt Kelly / Pogo reference!

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[info]dqbunny
2006-11-28 11:05 pm UTC (link)
I'll say this on good authority - shellshocked Liz is the last of this storyline that we'll see for at least the rest of this week.

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-28 11:52 pm UTC (link)
You got a preview of this week's comics already?

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(no subject) - [info]debjyn, 2006-11-29 03:51 am UTC
Good Call! - (Anonymous), 2006-11-29 09:22 am UTC

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