The Girl Within ([info]sweet3mich) wrote in [info]big_kids,
@ 2005-11-20 22:19:00
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Advice from you other Parents...
In the state of Michigan when a child turns twelve s/he is considered legally old enough to decide which parent they want to live with.

My oldest son turned 12 the beginning of last month. He has been aware of this option opening up to him for a year or so now and since his birthday he has asking me to talk to his Father about him coming back to live with me. (quick background info: my ex and I arranged to have the children live with him full time while I was finishing up school) I agreed to talk to his Father but I have admittedly been putting it off for fear of how to deal with my ex. Joshua (my son) has asked his Father before about coming back to live with me (before he was 12) and his Father basically told him that he didn't think it was a good idea because his home was more stable (he owns a house and isn't likely to move in a couple of years) and since I am in school and I work I won't have a lot of time for him.

The last year and a half Joshua has been struggling with his school work. Not getting it completed in class or not doing it when he was home. Nathan (my ex) and I have gone round and round trying to find ways to encourage him to take more responsibility. Since I told Joshua that I would speak with his Father about him moving in with me he has brought up all of his grades in school and it taking more incentive to make sure he has his assignments done. I don't know if it is related to his anticipation in moving here, but my gut tells me it is.

Now to my problem. My ex husband is very intimidating. Not in a physical way, but in a verbal way. He's a pretty intelligent guy who loves to debate and pretty much is a know-it-all. He is also a pretty controlling guy and is used to getting his way (mostly because he's good at breaking people down through debate). Since our divorce over 6-1/2 years ago I have avoided getting into argumentative situations with him as much as possible. And the times that I have attempted to discuss issues with him I get angry so quick because he blatantly ignores anything I am saying or throws old issues back in my face so that nother ever gets accomplished.

I need to talk to him about having Joshua come live with me, though. Joshua is so eager that he's already told his friends that he will be moving. I worry about that because I don't want him to suffer any dissapointment should Nathan decide to make a big issue out of this. We have joint custody so it's not like he can tell me "No. Josh can't come live with you." but because I am so anxious about talking to him about the situation I sometimes almost believe that he will do that and succeed!!

I need some advice on how to approach him in a way that isn't confrontational (because of my automatic defensiveness when dealing with him in these situations). I have thought about setting up a meeting with a mediator. Joshua has asked if he can be there too because he wants to be able to tell his Dad how much he wants to move in with me. I am struggling with that idea but I think it might be good for Nathan to hear it straight from the source instead of hearing it from me. I suppose it is old baggage that he carries still, but he tends to see me as someone who doesn't deserve a whole lot of respect so it's often when I have something to say he sort of sarcastically snorts and has a smart ass remark to contribute.

I guess what I need to know is how to I deal with someone who I am, for all practial purposes, still very much intimidated by? I know that I should be able to set aside my own fears and such for the sake of my son, but even the slightest thought in talking to Nathan about this sets my gut to knot tying. I have been telling Joshua the last 2 weekends that I will email his Father "soon" to talk with him about it, but "soon" is taking longer than it should. I just can't keep putting it off. Especially since Joshua wants to do the switch during the holiday break.

So any thoughts? Words of wisdom? Advice? Anything you can offer will be grealtly appreciated.

Thank You.




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[info]jette
2005-11-21 04:24 am UTC (link)
Can you afford to hire a mediator or someone else who can represent you in this situation?

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[info]sweet3mich
2005-11-21 04:56 am UTC (link)
Mediation services are free of charge (I believe) through the Friend of the Court and that is an avenue I have already considered. I guess my biggest fear is that initial bringing the topic up to him. I don't want him to give Joshua grief for "talking behind his back" about it nor do I want him to start in on me right away either. I can't very well set up mediation without him knowing, though, and then say "I need you to show up at such & such a time". I am just scared to bring the whole thing up to begin with and that pisses me off because I shouldn't be.

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[info]jette
2005-11-21 05:28 am UTC (link)
Perhaps the mediator can suggest ways to bring it up or otherwise hold your hand through the process - if you tell them that your ex has a history of verbally abusing you, they may have a way to help. I am sure this can't be the first time they've had someone in your situation.

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[info]sweet3mich
2005-11-21 06:37 am UTC (link)
I am sure you are right, that this won't be the first time they have dealt with a situation like this. It's exactly the reason why they offer the services.

The biggest hurdle is just going to be bringing the topic up to him to begin with. I don't know if I should tell him that I need to talk with him about something but would prefer to do it with a mediator so can we set something up, or if I should tell him right off what I want to talk about and then set up the mediator.

*ugh*

This stresses me out so much that I have been losing sleep over it. Isn't that insane?!?!

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[info]zasu
2005-11-21 04:56 pm UTC (link)
talk to the mediator first. the mediator will probably give you advice about how to go about talking to your ex.

i know exactly how you feel, btw... i get all tongue tied when dealing with a difficult person who obviously disrespects me and doesn't fight fair.

that's why i would go to the mediator first. it would help shore me up :)

btw... a friend of my sister's went through the same thing with her daughter who was living with her father - the mother didn't even have custody, but when she was 14 the daughter was able to choose. the father was completely opposed to the idea of her leaving. so the daughter just left and called her mom to come pick her up. the father called the cops to stop her, but when the cops heard she had the right to go to her mother, they told the father she had the right to leave, and even escorted her back in to the house to get more of her things. well... it was something like that. if you're interested, i can get more details from my sister or even from her friend.

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[info]jette
2005-11-24 06:15 am UTC (link)
Oh, sorry, LJ hasn't been sending comment notifications.

I totally agree with [info]zasu's advice - and you are not insane, someone who has a history of being dominant verbally to you can make you go all quivery, even if with everyone else in the world you can hold your own.

I would have trouble sleeping too.

Good luck!

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[info]dawn_guy
2005-11-21 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Write down the points you want to address and refer to your list as often as you need to. Ensure the mediator is not someone with whom either of you have any kind of pre-existing relationship (family, personal or professional) if possible.

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