justine {heroes and thieves at my door} ([info]the_justiner) wrote in [info]battlestar_blog,
@ 2008-01-07 07:20:00
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picture possibly cracked
Cracked by [info]altitudeandwine in this post. I'm just doing the Photoshopping.

Spoilers for season four and the EW picture under the cut.



One of the methods that Da Vinci often used was mirroring within his paintings, and since RDM decided to use the Last Supper setting for the photo, altitudeandwine had the idea to do exactly the same. Suprisingly, a lot of details revealed themselves. And this is only half of the image that I've worked on. The other half would reveal some things that are covered up from the first set of mirroring. Go to altitudeandwine's entry above, and everything is explained thoroughly.

With the revealed elements.


Just the image.


Again, just want to say that the brain behind this is completely and 100% [info]altitudeandwine. Very brilliant, don't you say? :]

My notes to come later. I'm off to school.

Editing to add a few things before I leave.

Just a note that the image was rotated using the cups and placeholders.

You can tell that the original image was Photoshopped, because since it's a panoramic picture, everybody should be fairly the same size. But certain people like Saul are smaller than others. This is one of the things that altitudeandwine noticed right away.

As you can see (if you ignore some of my bad Photoshopping), things fit together perfectly, such as the way Roslin appears in Adama's lap, their hands together, and Natalie fitting perfectly between them in the background.

Another interesting one is how Chief Tyrol seems to now be scheming directly behind Baltar and Lee - is he becoming murderous towards one them, now that he's a Cylon?

Even though you can't see Saul in the mirrored version, Athena now seems to be pointing towards him, her eyes still fixed on Six. Is Six accusing him of being a Cylon? Does she know?

And Anders kissing Six's arm? Wasn't there a spoiler about them becoming involved in a relationship a while ago?

The goblet is now directly in front of Athena. This could mean major things for her character depending on which Biblical cup you use (the Holy Grail or the Cup of Gethsemane). I think we're all pretty familiar with the Holy Grail and its story, but the Cup of Gethsemane represents Jesus praying in the Garden of Gethsemane and praying that "this cup" would be "passed" from Him if it was God's will (as in, His coming crucifixion). So, will Athena sacrifice herself in some way?

My only concern is how Kara and Saul are covered up. It's the only thing that puts a red flag in my mind that this is either very correct or completely messed up. They are obviously two vital characters after the season three finale, so why would they be masqueraded? My thoughts are that, just like Da Vinci's paintings with code, the original, un-mirrored painting holds many values as well. It's a painting, a piece of art that tells a story. I think that the things RDM says to us in his commentary about the photograph it its un-mirrored position are also valuable, and the details about Saul "turning a blind eye" or Anders being the only one who embraces Kara...they're significant. But there's more of a story when the picture is mirrored.

For those of you who have the ability to do the same with the image, please do! I want to see what everyone else can uncover. :]


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[info]bobbarker
2008-01-07 01:33 pm UTC (link)
My brain just broke.... BRILLIANT

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[info]the_justiner
2008-01-07 01:40 pm UTC (link)
:]

I just edited the post with a bunch of notes, just to let you know.

It is quite explosive info!

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[info]scottrossi
2008-01-07 01:41 pm UTC (link)
i hate you so much, LOL.

now this is going to make me crazy until some more concrete spoilers come out or until the actual series debuts. AARGH.

awesome job you two! A+++++

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[info]pennyfeline
2008-01-07 01:47 pm UTC (link)
Hee! I've been fiddling around along with [info]altitudeandwine last night and we found fascinating things. Then again, you can seriously interprete all the things you want into it by mirroring from different angles or by moving characters to more "fitting" positions. It's fun in a crazy kind of way, though I'm not exactly sure what the meaning of Baltar is, who ends up on Ander's lap in the mirror version as shown above. I could buy Anders/Lee, but Anders/Baltar blows my mind. *chuckle*

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[info]lougarry
2008-01-07 01:59 pm UTC (link)
I've just wasted my entire lunch break on this - thanks :)
I think the place holders in the water glasses is bang on btw - I've been having a quick play in PS and can't see how it would work in a differnt position. Pure brilliance!

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[info]hollywoodgrrl
2008-01-07 01:59 pm UTC (link)
O_o

HOLY FREAKIN FRAK!!!!!

I have nothing more deep to add, I's sorry.

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[info]andrewisbored
2008-01-07 02:18 pm UTC (link)
holy shit...thats..brilliant..and scary

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[info]dramaturgca
2008-01-07 02:33 pm UTC (link)
Wow, totally different interpretation of Anders as the only one embracing Kara then I had. I took it as he's embracing her, but she's not embracing him back...Interesting.

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[info]propernice
2008-01-07 02:52 pm UTC (link)
Mirroring the image has to be why this wasn't a photo shoot where everyone was there at once. RDM probably had to make sure everyone was positioned a certain way so that when the image was flipped, certain things happened (like Tigh being covered up and Laura in Adama's lap.)

I'm stuck on what Laura could be burning. She's sitting ON Adama which made my brain turn to mush, but is she burning something relating to the Fleet or her presidency? Or is she burning something that she doesn't want Adama to see? Maybe something about their relationship that she doesn't want made public, and after Lee's little outing at the trial, she's being extra careful?

UGGH MY BRAIN JUST EXPLODED WITH POSSIBILITIES.

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[info]pennyfeline
2008-01-07 03:11 pm UTC (link)
I'm stuck on what Laura could be burning. She's sitting ON Adama which made my brain turn to mush, but is she burning something relating to the Fleet or her presidency? Or is she burning something that she doesn't want Adama to see? Maybe something about their relationship that she doesn't want made public, and after Lee's little outing at the trial, she's being extra careful?



No, seriously *g*, I think the "burning" could be many things, figuratively or literally. I had fun replacing people last night and one time I ended up with this option:



Maybe she burns the scrolls of Pythia? That would certainly be an interesting twist. *g*


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[info]admireddisorder
2008-01-07 07:05 pm UTC (link)
what i'm wondering about is whether she burns something or burns something. ;)

you can burn things to destroy, like paper, leaves, letters, whatever. AND you can burn things to create: incense, prayer candles, etc. it's not clear which she's doing. ron says "something of importance", but WHAT?

if she's burning something in the sense that she's destroying that something, then that means she's got something to hide. be that for good, or evil. if she's burning to create - or pray -, then what and why is she burning it? or, to WHOM? does it have something to do with a spiritual change, the lack thereof?

i wouldn't exactly bring this up, but the "thing" holding the fire looks to me more like a candle/incense holder than something you'd use to burn a letter or a piece of paper in.

for some reason, the size of it got me thinking about 33, the olympic carrier, and the piece of paper she showed lee. could it be that she's burning - more figuratively speaking - the traces of something horrible she's done? erase it out of memory, perhaps?

maybe it's something, maybe it's nothing, but i'm curious.

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[info]pennyfeline
2008-01-07 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Yes, personally I think it's more symbolically. My initial reaction to what RDM said was that he means something inside of her is burning (change, creation, revelation, ?), in a manner of speaking, but that could as well be totally wrong. ;)

for some reason, the size of it got me thinking about 33, the olympic carrier, and the piece of paper she showed lee. could it be that she's burning - more figuratively speaking - the traces of something horrible she's done? erase it out of memory, perhaps?

Oh, this is an interesting idea. Did you hear what the hybrid said about the 5th in the extended RAZOR cut?

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[info]admireddisorder
2008-01-07 07:59 pm UTC (link)
i actually got to thinking a little more about the fire, and these passages from acts 2:1-21 got me thinking:

and there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them (in this case, laura alone, but the shape of the fire itself made me think of the "cloven tongues" rather than of something like a letter or paper burning)

they were all filled with the holy ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the spirit gave them utterance (it would tie in with both laura's prophetic tendencies, AND the fact that she seems to be a "missing link" between the humans and cylons; she dreams of them, "speaks" their language, so to say)

what meaneth this? others mocking said, these men are full of new wine (lee! lee accuses laura of taking chamalla, thus not being reliable as a witness; i doubt chamalla has much to do with laura's visions though. maybe it enables her to access them, but i think they're "there" for her nevertheless, and they had been even before hera's blood (another interesting parallel, btw: she's been saved by accepting hera's blood, much as the apostles were saved by accepting jesus' blood). also, i distinctly remember six looking at laura over gaius' shoulder in her "memory". could it be that six - or the cylons - have "planted" that memory there, or at least helped her "reveal" it? the only other possible explanation would be that six KNEW laura before the attack*, which in turn would make laura a cylon)

it shall come to pass in the last days, saith god, i will pour out of my spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams "the last days", "prophecy", "visions", "dreams". makes sense to me. ;)

i officially have way too much time on my hands. ;)

* this has got me thinking of something else: natalie and laura look alike. A LOT! could it be, maybe, possibly, that if laura IS a cylon, she's the absolutely first model, and that maybe, just maybe, natalie (and all the six models) are literally the next generation of "lauras"? it's a stretch, i realize, but i can't help wondering about natalie and laura.

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[info]laharah
2008-01-08 09:13 pm UTC (link)
OMG ...

"...maybe, possibly, that if laura IS a cylon, she's the absolutely first model..."

... I have thought about this as well ... had a conversation with some other fans about who might be the last cylon ... my guess would be that if roslin was a cylon she was the first ... like the first try that maybe turned out too human or faulty (cancer) ...

and you're right *nods* ... they do look alike ... with the suit and hair :)

*goes back to speculate about the picture* :)


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[info]meshel73
2008-01-07 04:04 pm UTC (link)
> Mirroring the image has to be why this wasn't a photo shoot where everyone was there at once.

This photo was taken at the season 4 photo shoot (November 3rd - 4th, 2007) so they all would have been there at once. Maybe they positioned the actors individually, took the photo and then photoshopped the photo. I don't think that's what happened. But we can just they did it that way if it helps with this whole mirroring thing that everyone is fascinated with :)

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[info]the_justiner
2008-01-07 05:03 pm UTC (link)
I think that's what she means, that they were positioned individually and some of the actors weren't actually photographed in the same image. It's almost like a collage of all the actors (maybe some within the same photograph) Photoshopped together.

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[info]meshel73
2008-01-07 05:08 pm UTC (link)
> I think that's what she means ....

Got it. Thanks.

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[info]star_lace
2008-01-07 04:01 pm UTC (link)
And I thought my brain hurt the other day LOL.

Nice work!! :)

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[info]starpollo
2008-01-07 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Ooooh that's very interesting - thanks for sharing!

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[info]crazyvictoria
2008-01-07 04:42 pm UTC (link)
*Brain explodes* This is frakking brilliant! Though, not going to lie, the best part is Roslin ending up in Adama's lap.

Also, it's interesting to see that Chief's position with the knife makes more sense when the picture is mirrored this way.

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[info]daitenshi_dream
2008-01-07 04:53 pm UTC (link)
My mind, it is blown.

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[info]justapalindrome
2008-01-07 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I thought Chief was holding the knife because he was thinking about killing his new and improved hybrid son...at least that's what it seemed like RDM was hinting at.

Otherwise, very cool idea and very cool new info in general.

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[info]the_justiner
2008-01-07 08:10 pm UTC (link)
Well, I think that both the Photoshopped image that we originally saw and the mirrored image have significance. Like, they both tell a story. I think the story evolves a bit when the picture is flipped on top of itself, just like one of Da Vinci's paintings. For instance, the Last Supper is a beautiful portrait of Jesus and His disciples during the Last Supper, but when mirrored upon itself, things are revealed. Da Vinci had a strong belief that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were romantically involved, and when the picture is mirrored upon itself, she is leaning on his shoulder and their hands meet. Also, several people appear that were only partially there in the original painting. It's quite neat! :]

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[info]barilace
2008-01-07 05:54 pm UTC (link)
Oh my word. This is freaking awesome. *just looks*

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[info]sakara75
2008-01-07 06:00 pm UTC (link)
interesting.....very interesting!

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[info]ladyrhiannon873
2008-01-07 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Those are some really interesting observations.I can't wait to watch season 4.

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[info]xscylon
2008-01-07 07:13 pm UTC (link)
this is hilarious! *rofl*

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[info]prettypinkdork
2008-01-07 08:43 pm UTC (link)
This whole thing, every little part of it, seemed like sheer fan insanity when I first read it but it's rapidly making more and more sense. I don't know who said it but Natalie is indeed wearing a bracelet that looks a lot like Laura's (Initially blew that off because the bracelet's actually Mary's). Natalie's hair is also much like Laura's and that suit seems to a be a copy of the one Laura wore to the first debates back in LDYB pt. 2.

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[info]laharah
2008-01-08 09:10 pm UTC (link)
OMG ... you're right about the bracelet ... *looks again* :)

hadn't noticed that before ... I bet this has us all speculating wildly until next april *sigh*

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[info]grndr101
2008-01-07 09:32 pm UTC (link)
It's very intresting, but somehow it seems a little too far-fetched.

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[info]setsunacutey
2008-01-07 10:33 pm UTC (link)
This whole promo pic keeps us busy like ants. I love it. And I'm astounded by the whole new mirrordimension you people are adding to it, that's somehow iconographically justified as well. Hey, what worked for Da Vinci might work for BSG too, right? I'm not sure if I fully support this (would they really go through this much trouble?) but it opens up so much that I'm very intruiged. Is this mirror-debate held at the Scifi-forum too? It should be, namely.

The problem I have with this theory: Where does Saul fit in it? Are we taking RDM's hint of blinding him seriously, by rendering him invisible/blind him in all the photoshopped images? Can't find him in altitude's LJ as well, oh wait, no, he's in the first image. I know this is an A/R community but, you know, it just strikes me as odd.

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[info]lxvxjxnkie
2008-01-07 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Yep when they talk about the BSG code I think it's important to remember the mirror image is only postulated as one of the ways in which LDV communicated. Symbolism and visual puns is much bigger in the actual plot of the Da Vinci Code.

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[info]mamainanollaig
2008-01-07 10:52 pm UTC (link)
Holy Crap. That's brilliant.
Now my brain has melted. :]

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[info]averita
2008-01-08 02:00 am UTC (link)
*brain breakage*

Dude, this is insane. And it's sad that there's all this deep, meaningful symbolism and I'm still having trouble focusing on anything but Roslin in Adama's lap.

Thanks so much for posting!

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[info]main_titles
2008-01-08 02:25 am UTC (link)
MY BRAIN HAS EXPLODED.

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[info]swordsmanscoke
2008-01-08 02:42 am UTC (link)
Woooah. [/tigh]

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[info]trevorizing
2008-01-08 06:47 am UTC (link)
Just so you know, I did a bit of searching as well. The post is incomplete, but you can look at it here:

BSG Mirrors.

In order to get the full understanding, you have to mirror the whole image. Athena and Hilo belong on the left side of the table, and Baltar belongs on the right side, clutching Starbuck's arm.

No one end up in Anders' lap, he's solely kissing Baltar's six.

And who is the Six on the left side of the picture? I know not of this "Natalie" whatever. I just thought that was Caprica Six ... I could be wrong. Also of note, when you put people in the right places (i.e. take Roslyn and Apollo off the left side of the table in my image, and take Athena and Hilo off the right side), notice how you could develop some sort of "allegiance" theories.

Anyway. Just my two cents. I'll probably update the picture and some of my thoughts tomorrow while I'm at work. (Though I work from 4pm to 1am.)

Cheers.

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[info]boot_the_grime
2008-01-08 07:43 am UTC (link)
Natalie is a new character in season 4. If you had read the text of the EW article, you would have known who she is. And she obviously is not Caprica Six (different hair colour, different dress style).

"Natalie (Tricia Helfer). A new version of Six will emerge this season. Explains Moore: "She assumes a leadership position for a group of Cylons [thathave] a separate agenda from the rest of them." "



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[info]trevorizing
2008-01-08 08:41 am UTC (link)
Ah ha. I didn't get the article, only just saw this online while I was at work tonight. I guess I'll have to get my hands on a copy of it, then.

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[info]fridge_buzz_now
2008-01-08 08:50 am UTC (link)
it comes out next week. Matthew Fox from Lost is on the cover. I can't wait to get it! :D

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[info]boot_the_grime
2008-01-08 09:14 am UTC (link)
You don't have to buy it just for this, the scan of the 2-page article (that picture with text) is all over the Internet. see:

http://triciahelfer.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ew-bsg-lastsupper-small.jpg

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[info]fridge_buzz_now
2008-01-08 08:36 am UTC (link)
This is all amazing. I can't wait until season 4!!

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[info]laharah
2008-01-08 09:07 pm UTC (link)
Oh wow ... this is great!!

and it makes so much sense that it can't just be a coincidence ... most pieces fit together almost perfectly ... like a puzzle ... so I'm thinking that RDM planned this from the beginning :) ... evil genius LOL ... making us wait until april but giving us lots of stuff to play with and interpret ... *sigh*

well ... all coherent thought has left the building after I saw Roslin on Adama's lap ... *dances around* ... my imagination is running wild ... LOL

thank you so much for sharing this *hugs*

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-15 07:50 am UTC (link)
Excellent work! In some legends, the Holy Grail is thought to be the child of Jesus and Mary, and in this image the "grail" is right over Sharon's belly. Fits perfectly.

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[info]goluxexmachina
2008-04-13 05:07 am UTC (link)
OH MAN THAT IS AMAZING.

My first thought when I saw the (obviously shopped) photoshoot was that the only two characters who were directly copping poses from the DaVinci were Six and Baltar, and that they'd even dressed Baltar in some tacky green/blue outfit so he matched Judas' color scheme.

In your rotation, the hand he has that's open and lifted (in Judas' clutching a sack of coins pose, but empty) is HOLDING SIX'S HAND.

And okay, I'm not sure what that means, but dude, *kermit arms*

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