Lovable droll geek. ([info]onlyonechoice) wrote in [info]bad_rpers_suck,
@ 2004-01-28 15:02:00
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Faeries, not Furries
Pooka are the most mangled faction of White Wolf characters played online, and I mean of all WW's Storyteller systems. Tribe, Tradition, Clan...all of them have had their 'innovators' playing against type, but none of them have compared to the extent I've seen Pooka twisted until they are nearly unrecognizable.

The reason? People want to play a character with animal features, something cute and fuzzy and sexy that everyone wants to cuddle. Presto! There are the Pooka, seemingly everything that they want in a character.

The problem? All the other rules of the Kith are overlooked as the player focuses on the animal features. In short, people use the White Wolf chats to play Furries, and don't understand why people like me used to jump all over their case for it (I've mellowed in my experience, trust me).

Furries aren't Pooka.

Furries are anthropomorphic animals, like in Dizzknee's Robin Hood, Tony the Tiger, Road Rovers, even Chester Cheetah. They are animals that walk, talk and act like people. There are entire sects of people who love the idea of Furries, some who think they -are- a Furry inside, and that's totally cool. There are Furry MU*s out there that cater to almost every aspect of the Furry fandom (I play in one and love it).

Pooka are Fae who look human, but certain features are animalistic in their Fae Miens. A Cat Pooka may have cat ears, whiskers and a tail, a Raven Pooka may have feathery hair and a beaky nose, but for all other intents and purposes they are human. They don't have all-over fur, retractable claws, cute little paw-hands, digitigrade legs or outthrust noses/mouths to give them a muzzle instead of a mouth.

Pooka have been a part of legend since waaaaaaaay back, and their purpose and Dreams have a place in Kithain society. Furries have not and do not.

Pooka lie. It doesn't matter -how- they do it, so long as they lie. They lie because it's their nature to deceive and prank, as shaped by the legends of Pooka in history. It takes a considerable focus of their will to go against those Dreams, and few do it often because, well, the truth hurts.

These are basic rules. To ignore the rules of the Pooka to play a Furry is NOT PLAYING CHANGELING. And while the Golden Rule may be cool for you to play a Furry-type Pooka in your tabletop game, using it online to make it easier for your sex bunny/kitten to say "I love you" or "Fuck me" is SO not cool. It circumvents the very Birthrights and Frailties that make up the Kith.

And to the people who have said, "But if it's not affecting anyone in anything -serious-, what's the harm in not lying? We're here to have fun, and this is how I have fun!" (this was paraphrased from an actual conversation with a Furry-player masquerading as a non-lying Pooka), let's look at that from another perspective, okay?

Say I want to play a Sluagh (I do so love Goth and Johnny the Homicidal Maniac), butu I don't like the whole toothless whispery stench-of-the-tomb aspect of them. So I make my Sluagh, but he shouts, is the lead singer of a Goth band and has a flawless, crazy smile. Would Sluagh players complain about circumventing the FRAILTIES of the Kith for my own ends? You be your ass they would, and they would ignore me/avoid me, even though it doesn't affect anything -serious-...except the very Dreams that make up the Kith.

Or if I wanted to play a Troll, but I didn't want to chance losing her Titan's Strength if I break an Oath. So I make a Troll, but when I'm bored with the relationship she's in and she breaks her Oath of Truehearts to Thorin Ironsoul, she doesn't suffer any loss of face or stats. Would other Troll players complain? You bet your ass they would, and again I'd be avoided/ignored.

Then why would you complain about people trying to 'stifle creativity' or knowing people who have been 'forced to stop playing a character' when people jump on your case OOC for ignoring the Kith Frailty?? It's the SAME THING. We're playing by rules in these chats, loose as they may be, and to ignore those rules just so you can play a Furry isn't fair to those who actually play Pooka and put a lot of thought into how they lie and their nature in relation to other Fae. Like me. Like a lot of players. It's not 'fun' for anyone when they see an aspect of a favorite game cheapened by players who only want their characters to be grabbed by the tail and boned to satisfy their fantasies, or who want to play something "different" from all the Appearance 7 Winged Red-Headed Lesbian Sidhe (A7WRHLS).

Do I like Furries? I -love- them. I've always loved animals, I love a lot of the art I've seen, and I play on at least one Furry MU*. I wish that Pooka looked like that because it would make them even more a blast to play than they are already.

Are Furries Changelings? NO.

In Changeling, I play the next best thing - Pooka, capricious Kithain with tongues of silver and hearts of gold (or lead, depending on which Court they embrace).

You want to play a Furry in the White Wolf chats? The outlet is there, the Dreams are powerful enough - play a sentient Chimera. Sure, it's not an eighty-year-old Wendigo Kinfolk (who looks 18) that kicks ass for both the Garou and for the Kithain, but I'm sure the players whose characters would fuck her wouldn't care. Sure, it's not flesh and blood, ears, tail and vaginal secretions (unless you want to play a Wyrded chimera and never leave the Freehold), but I'm sure the players whose characters would fuck her won't care.

You want to play a Furry with other Furries? Just do a web search and you'll find COUNTLESS Furry MU*s and other such diversions that will keep you just as busy, but there'll be no A7WRHLS or sex-starved Satyrs to seduce, only characters that look just like yours.

You want to play a Pooka? Play a Pooka, not a goddamned Furry.

I did get some great advice from another player about this, and to this day I love to implement it. If a Pooka character says something to your character, don't believe it no matter what the statement. FORCE the Frailty on the character and watch the fur fly. I've seen players and characters get all mad and not be able to complain without revealing that they/their characters don't lie. It's helped a lot to laugh at it instead of going off about it - try it yourself!

*cathartic sigh* Thanks for reading this far. I seriously have mellowed in my experience (going on 10 years now playing in the White Wolf chats) and have stopped getting so upset when I see Pooka mangled. They're still there too, in the form of a Cat Pooka who so rarely lies but keeps making references to her humongous boobs, or the form of a Hyena Pooka (an animal more prevalent in Furry fandom - BIG ears and contrast-y pelt) that I have -never- seen lie. I just sigh and play on.

It still gets to me on occasion, and I figured I'd share the rant here.

tanya




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[info]idemandjustice
2004-01-28 12:08 pm UTC (link)
I love you. I really do. So many people just don't get Changeling, and most of them are the people that play it. I love you.

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[info]insaint
2004-01-28 12:13 pm UTC (link)
They're still there too, in the form of a Cat Pooka who so rarely lies but keeps making references to her humongous boobs

I'd just take it ICly that /that/ is her lie. =)

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[info]camwyn
2004-01-28 12:42 pm UTC (link)
It's been a while since I played a Pooka. I believe the last one I ran was... hrm. That would be my dog pooka, who- God alone knows why- was widely trusted and believed. Possibly because she did not use the pooka-speech of the time; this was back when the vast majority of pooka players in online RPG's seemed to think 'pookas lie when they speak' meant 'pookas say the opposite of whatever they mean', which is bupkiss. No, Meriwether Sinclair lied all the time, because Meriwether was just about physically incapable of not being sarcastic. Unseelie pooka with dreams of world (or at least Fae) domination- I based her animal looks and her mental state on Dogbert, you see. And as far as she was concerned, everyone- everyone- was inferior and not deserving of the truth, or even of a straightforward opinion. She made one exception. It was for a childing mouse pooka who was very, very like the Brain (of Pinky and the Brain) in her aspect. Meriwether could respect that.

It's just that... well, she made a comment in front of a sidhe and a troll. I suppose they were predisposed to think well of her, because she'd just smiled at the sidhe and said 'You know, you're just about the most intelligent person I've ever met' or something like that, but... well, the troll suddenly got suspicious of her. Meriwether looked at him and asked, "Would you believe I"m planning to take over the world and make all the sidhe my slaves?"

The troll said no.

"Good," said Meriwether, "because I'm not."

And they still believed her. She. Was. A. POOKA. And they still believed her.

I refuse to take responsibility for people believing Meriwether was trustworthy. She wasn't. She was just subtle in her lies, but they were there every bloody time she spoke. Can't vouch for other players, though.

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[info]star_sign
2004-01-29 12:13 pm UTC (link)
It's been a while since I played a Pooka. I believe the last one I ran was... hrm. That would be my dog pooka, who- God alone knows why- was widely trusted and believed. Possibly because she did not use the pooka-speech of the time; this was back when the vast majority of pooka players in online RPG's seemed to think 'pookas lie when they speak' meant 'pookas say the opposite of whatever they mean', which is bupkiss.

Amen to that. Around that time, I was playing a Pooka that most other players who only skimmed my description of her appearance assumed she was simply some eccentric Sidhe with a penchant for dressing as if she was attending a masquerade ball (the feathers on her face were actually a ball mask rather than her natural features). She was an owl Pooka and played her High Society traits fully to the hilt, relating extravagant tales about her affiliations with Hollywood stars, fashion designers, and millionaire businesspeople. ("I remember when Coco Chanel and I had this huge disagreement over what to wear to Liberace's funeral. I said, 'I'm not even going,' and she said...") But because she telling stories that put some Eshu to shame rather than lying in the saying-everything-as-an-opposite way, people believed her.

One of the most interesting Pooka I had ever seen was a dove Pooka who always told the truth. His reasoning was that, as a Pooka, no one believed him and therefore took whatever he would say with a grain of salt. Therefore, his way of misdirection and confusion was done in such a way that the other characters were really confused. I thought it was different, but I can also see the characters catching onto that after a while. Still, it was rather interesting.

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[info]onlyonechoice
2004-01-29 01:40 pm UTC (link)
One of the most interesting Pooka I had ever seen was a dove Pooka who always told the truth. His reasoning was that, as a Pooka, no one believed him and therefore took whatever he would say with a grain of salt. Therefore, his way of misdirection and confusion was done in such a way that the other characters were really confused. I thought it was different, but I can also see the characters catching onto that after a while. Still, it was rather interesting.

See, that's something that would bug me too, because I can't picture a Pooka figuring that, "Oh, since nobody believes me, I'll just tell the truth all the time," and thus ignoring the Frailty of the Kith. It's a Frailty for a reason.

But again this is mostly a rant regarding a freeform game where there are constantly people saying, "Oh, the rules for this Kith are too restrictive and boring - why would anyone -talk- to a Pooka if they know they're going to lie all the time?" and that bugs the crap out of me and tends to make me much more of a purist.

If the rules are so restrictive and boring, then why the hell do you want to play one, if not to play the little anime catgirl that you think is TEH KEWL?

Gah. It's just frustrating sometimes. As for why I don't find a moderated game to play, I like the freeform one because can start with a bare bones concept character (Raven Pooka Goth, Nocker Exterminator, Boggan Reporter) and flesh it out through play rather than go through a lengthy application process that essentially ends up with me writing a background story and feeling that the character's story is over before it even begins.

t

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[info]star_sign
2004-01-29 03:06 pm UTC (link)
I suppose what I found so interesting was the fact that the player did have the Frailty in mind, but was trying to work it in a different way rather than the tired, "Well, I'm not off to the store! I won't see you in a few minutes!" as opposed to simply ditching those pesky Frailties.

Yet, one has to ask the Pooka players, "What's so wrong with irony and sarcasm? Those work into the Frailty quite nicely." I had a blast playing an unseelie squirrel Pooka who wanted to become a reporter when she grew up...very sarcastic sense of humour. Unconventional, yes...but it works. I suppose that for some players, putting that much depth into a character is too much hard work -- it's supposed to be fun, and we all know that fun doesn't involve work.

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[info]onlyonechoice
2004-01-29 05:16 pm UTC (link)
I suppose what I found so interesting was the fact that the player did have the Frailty in mind, but was trying to work it in a different way

But the Frailty is that they lie. Lying by telling the truth seems like an oxymoron.

And hey, I'm a big believer in sarcasm and creative lying! I -hate- opposite speak, and love coming up with different ways for my armada of Pooka characters to lie. Some speak in metaphors, some seem to chatter disjointed phrases (pretending you're addled is a lovely way to get people to think you can't possibly understand what you're saying), some of them have the most savage, dry wit that I -so- don't possess IRL. Nothing at all wrong with sarcasm and irony.

Just not the truth.


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[info]kevinbunny
2004-02-04 10:32 pm UTC (link)
Neh.. Keep in mind, there's a whole lot of difference between 'lying' and 'not telling the truth'. They can embellish the truth, as long as it doesn't walk out in front of everyone naked. Exaggerating or downplaying certain aspects of the truth can be one way to tell the truth, flat out, while still satisfying the Frailty. My buddy Monzo does the exaggeration route (he has Overconfidence), with the occasional 'Huh?' thrown in (he has Confused, as well).

I've always been rather miffed at those rules-monkeys who will pounce upon any accidental truth and point and screech like the folks in Body Snatchers calling for an immediate loss of Willpower. There's a LOT of truth that can be said by Pookas. Saying three true statements and one false one will satisfy the Frailty, unless it's clear that the false statement is totally separate from the others. The trick is keeping them *guessing*. The 'convenient reversal' might be good if you really need to get your point across, but since it's so clear what you're really saying, some STs might want that Willpower from you. Far better to say 'I'm not going to the store! I won't be back soon!', and then go to Disneyland for the weekend. It's stated as being more of an Unseelie trick, but mixing it up can really cause some fun in game.

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[info]maladaptive
2004-01-28 12:45 pm UTC (link)
I. Love. Pooka.

They are my favorite changeling kith. My best was a dragonfly-- and let's just say, insect pooka tend to creep people out. I did play a pretty rocking horse once, too (my first, because the original pwci were horses so I had to play lip service).

Then again, I've always liked the "people with animal features" more than furries. Also, I like the basic tenets of a pooka. Not that I've ever actually played true to changeling, I've picked up enough to play a fairly true-to-the-game pooka. At least, for generally free form purposes.

So I think I may bastardize it a bit, but that's just beyond... beyond.

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[info]evloret
2004-01-28 02:49 pm UTC (link)
Ugh. I have a strong distaste for about 99.9% of the furry fandom. To hear that they're using Changeling for another way to "yiff" is disturbing. GET OUTTA OUR WORLD OF DARKNESS!

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[info]prolog
2004-01-28 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Amen.

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[info]vargatron
2004-01-29 01:34 am UTC (link)
Gee, thanks for the tacit dismissal.

Although I suppose I can't blame you; the loudest minority is always the representative to the rest of the world.

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[info]evloret
2004-01-29 11:26 am UTC (link)
In retrospect, that was rude of me. I'm sorry if you were offended.

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[info]vargatron
2004-01-29 03:58 pm UTC (link)
I wasn't really; more annoyed in a general sense. That kind of reaction reminds me of certain aspects of homophobia -- they're all just sex-crazed sinful bastards, et cetera. I doubt people realise it when they say it, but the similarity bothers me.

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[info]kevinbunny
2004-02-04 10:44 pm UTC (link)
Worst part is, it becomes self-fulfilling.

1. People decry Furries as sex-crazed yiffers.

2. The fandom becomes known for its sex-crazed yiffers.

3. More sex-crazed yiffers become attracted to the fandom.

4. The sex-crazed yiffers have more of a presence and voice within the community.

5. 'Mundanes' and the Media see more of and focus on the sex-crazed yiffers, beleiving them to be the only aspects of the fandom.

6. Go to #1.

Not all Furries are sex-crazed yiffers, just the same way that not all Trekkies (Trekkers, whatever) will insist on wearing a uniform and tricorder to their wedding, or that not all homosexuals wear leather and look like extras from the Village People.

Sterotypes are awful, awful things. Prejudice and hatred are even worse. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go yiff a seventeen-breasted kitsune Pooka.. =};)

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[info]celtic_tiger
2004-01-28 08:16 pm UTC (link)
"The reason? People want to play a character with animal features, something cute and fuzzy and sexy that everyone wants to cuddle. Presto! There are the Pooka, seemingly everything that they want in a character."

Argh! That is so fucking irritating. I swear to Christ there was a Pikachu pooka on WW chat for awhile, even.

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[info]furikku
2004-01-28 09:07 pm UTC (link)
That actually sounds like something I'd play. ^_^;

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[info]apotheon
2004-01-31 08:59 pm UTC (link)
you're fired

heh

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Devil's Advocate
[info]kevinbunny
2004-02-01 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Well, speaking as both a FurFan and a Pooka player, I'd like to think I'm playing my character right.

When picking out my character, I consciously weighed all the various Kiths and suchnot, and the fact 'Ok, this one can be cute and fuzzy' did enter into the equation. In the end, though, the Pooka were the only Kith that really seemed to be like my own personality.

Now, as far as having all-over fur, ears, tail, etc, goes, that's easy. Check Kithbook: Pooka, and the Flaw Animalistic Features.

I was playing a Pooka with Animalistic Features *and* Slipped Seeming, both at level 5. As a result, he could *not* pass for human, even mundanely.

Did a cat real good, though. Spent a lot of time on four paws, rather than two feet.

It should be pointed out that the Pooka can be very animal-ish in their outlook on life, especially if they spend a lot of time in their animal mein.

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Re: Devil's Advocate
[info]onlyonechoice
2004-02-02 04:35 am UTC (link)
Well, aside from having both of those flaws kind of goes against the whole guideline of not having more than seven points of flaws in a single character, apparently there -are- rules that can you play a Furry-ish character if you want. However, the Kithbook says that the Animalistic Features flaw can only go to level 3, not 5, so it's already stretching the rules to do it.

And trust me, I -love- playing out the animalistic aspects of their affinity. My dog Pooka have to focus a LOT to avoid having to run and fetch a ball if someone throws it (which made my Pit Bull Pooka SO pissed when she was trying to intimidate someone). My bird Pooka can't resist anything shiny, etc.

Most of my gripe here, however, is about people ignoring that pesky LYING thing when they do it. Pooka lie. Most people that want to play Pooka (in the game I play) think it's "too much work" or "too restrictive and boring" to have their Pooka lie, or make a token effort but discard the Frailty the second they want their character to be understood (and usually fucked).

I just want to see people play more Pooka, and not sex kittens/bunnies.

t

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Devil's Advocate again
[info]shadowtears
2004-02-04 10:38 am UTC (link)
Yes, bad!

I get annoyed though when people judge MY Pooka without knowing jack-shit. *s* Or -assuming- I haven't read up anything about the animal, while it turns out THEY don't know anything about the animal. It is a semi-famous bat Pooka many have run past, both hates and loves, for various reasons, though I think most of the hate is for wrong reasons. It is because (from another rant on the list) I don't -care- to explain why my character does this and that or how he can be like that when they (who don't know the background of my character...) think he acts wrong.

The deal is that they have this image of bats... that they are blind and shy of light.
He is a fruit bat, however, fox bat. They aren't blind... they actually got a very -good- vision, and don't mind the light.

Another example is that they all sigh when he flies and crashlands, thinking it is for a cute and cuddly effect, comic relief alone.

The fact again here is that fruit bats are VERY good fliers... but, they can't land. So the way they land is to either grab a branch when flying past or most commonly crash into the bushes.

Fruit bats aren't solitary bats either, they live in colonies and they chatter -a lot-.

Hm, hm... either way, what I wanted to say, to follow the Devil's Advocate note... is that sometimes people thinks somebody suck at playing a Pooka and then ironicly enough -they- turn out to be the one being ignorant, not the player of said Pooka.

And his lies? Well, I keep what is on his mind (the truth) for myself... Though I can reveal he is building on the prank of his life. (another fact is that said character is Unseelie Pooka too)

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Re: Devil's Advocate again
[info]kevinbunny
2004-02-04 10:00 pm UTC (link)
Heh. Should meet Monzo, our resident bat Pooka. Quite the character.. He's a vampire bat, and rather... er... I think his IC LJ is 'galaxyspinner', if you want a taste. I can't do it justice. You're missing out on his 'Ask Monzo' series on the game's forum, too, and that still doesn't do the character justice. Utterly Monzoriffic.

As far as creating characters with multiple Flaws goes, you *can* have more than seven points of Flaws starting out...

You just only get *points* for the first seven.

Chesh had *major* issues.. He had Mortal Inhibition as another 'extra' Flaw. Makes sense, when you think about it, since he can't pass for human without a trenchcoat and some dark shadows.

Hmm.. Funny.. Checking the character sheet, I have 'em both down as five-point flaws. Don't have the kithbook myself, but I coulda sworn it was one of those variable ones. Ahwell, moot point since it was one of the 'extras' and I'm not currently playing him. Currently doing a Jackalope Pooka. Yes, I know pooka are only supposed to be 'natural' creatures. He's as confused by it as everyone else is (ST was in a silly mood that night). Hence the LJ icon (and the LJ itself, since it's his IC one.). He's currently got every Nocker in the game honked off at him by building better guns than they do.

Yes, he's a gunbunny.

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Re: Devil's Advocate again
[info]shadowtears
2004-02-10 11:06 am UTC (link)
Though what annoys me is that people don't play with my character unless I tell them this and let them in on the character's inner thinking and the illusion he uses to fool all. Bleh.

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[info]childofcrow
2004-02-09 03:15 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree with you, Tanya.

Another thing abour pooka? Everyone assumes that 'backwards talking' is the only way to lie.

God, in all the years I played Beth, I never backwards talked with her. She's an exaggerator.

How I yearn for the days when RPing was a medium for the intelligent.

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