atheistfurs: Sweet!

furthling (

furthling) wrote in

atheistfurs,
@ 2008-05-01 19:40:00

Sweet!
Insignificant Blog Gives Me (and Us) Press

Says the author:

"At first I couldn't quite believe it, but there they are, on Livejournal and everything. Atheist furries. Actual adult human beings who like to dress up as big skanky bunnies and would love nothing more than if Richard Dawkins were a giant chipmunk they could yiff."

I dunno. Any of you guys into Dawkins *that* way? Ladies?

And, who here likes to dress up as big skanky bunnies? I've always sort of wanted to dress up like the guys in Gwar, personally. It's entertaining that the blogger in question is unselfconsciously using the term yiff, though. Lends some creedence to the idea that he's a closeted furry. Which is cute.

On the other hand the fact that our dude is shocked -- SHOCKED-- that there's a LJ community for something other than, I dunno, Bow Hunting and President Bush Idolatry, or shocked that there are segments of the furry fandom that make him throw a tantrum of this sort, suggests that he may not know much about LJ or the fandom. So much for that hypothesis.

Also claims I said all furries should be atheists, which is funny:

"According to Furthling, one of the chattier atheistfurs, all furries should be atheists."

Redolent of drama: "Oh noes! Atheists are organizing to oppress us again," as well as factually inaccurate (I didn't say such a thing), this exemplifies the quality and rigor of debate one would expect out of ... haha... people posting to a blog titled "Richard Dawkins is a Douchebag."

(As for who should be atheists? Well. Make a list of all purported deities through history. Now cross out the ones you don't believe in. If you crossed anything out, you might be an atheist. XD )

Not that alexa has them in the top 100,000 sites, so. My dreams of fame remain unrealized.

I'm thinking about prepping an article for Wikifur on Atheist Furs, since now we have a second point of reference, aside from the LJ Comm. If anybody has any contributions, just look for it there.

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xladymissiex
2008-05-02 12:33 am UTC (link)

Hmm sounds like a 4channer. Maybe he/she/it did it for the lulz. Too bad they won't get much unless it ends up on Furaffinity or something.

I never look at other people as furries unless I've talked to them in real life and know what they are. Do other furries actually do that sort of thing?

I will say though that my boyfriend has asked me before along the lines of "Wouldn't being a furry and a christian at the same time not work out too well?" Although I've never seen any part in the bible that says anything about "Thou shall not wear animal costumes".

Edited at 2008-05-02 12:35 am UTC

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furthling
2008-05-02 12:46 am UTC (link)

"Do other furries actually do that sort of thing?"

Heh. I know four fursuiters out of fifteen or so furries I've met offline. Two of them suit for the purpose of going to children's cancer wards to entertain kids. The other two suit I think mainly to march in weird parades and stuff. I guess I wouldn't know about what they do (hopefully) in private.

I think your boyfriend has a point, though-- most organized religions, as well as most primitive religions (including the ones where people dress up as animals.... o.O) are essentially didactic in nature-- they aim to make people into obedient members of a group without any unconventional practices, views, or thoughts that might disrupt harmony.

So, yeah, I suspect that if we asked folks in the christian furs community (which I'm pretty sure has a comm on LJ), they would say they hear a lot of similar comments.

I suspect they would add: "But that kind of prejudice isn't what True Christianity is about." Which IMO is at minimum an oversimplification.

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xladymissiex
2008-05-02 02:37 pm UTC (link)

Well I want to be a fursuiter someday too. I'd love to just have fun in a suit and entertain people both at parades and maybe even charity events.

What I meant was do furries go out in real life and look at other people, without costume or knowing who they really are, and make them into a furry in their mind.

I might have heard something like that on FA but everyone knows FA is nuts.

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	furthling 2008-05-04 12:01 am UTC (link)
	Oh, like, picture them as furry automatically? I don't. I'd be surprised if nobody does, or if more than 67% of furries do. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	fuzzwolf 2008-05-02 04:22 am UTC (link)
	Whoo, I feel so e-famous. Gotta love it when the majority thinks we're oppressing them. (Reply to this)

	psychedelicwolf 2008-05-02 04:01 pm UTC (link)
	"Many atheists say believing in God is like believing in the Easter Bunny; these atheists believe they are the Easter Bunny." The very embodiment of wit, this man. (Reply to this)

furthling
2008-05-05 01:02 am UTC (link)

Our dood at dawkinsdouche advises:

"EDIT: My friend Tuffy at FanDumb has almost convinced me Furthling’s argument actually sort of makes sense, though my cat isn’t an atheist — she seems have her own little cat-worshiping cult, of which she is also the deity. Still, I find the notion of a dude in a wolf suit lecturing the world about rationality a tad risible.

Meanwhile, Furthling has himself responded to my post! While I am pleased that he has acknowledged us as an “insignificant blog” (which is only two letters away from a “significant blog”!), I would like to offer proof that there are indeed people who like to dress up as skanky bunnies:"

Followed by a picture of a dude in bunny ears and... a diaper.

Which begs the question, how did he miss that wheras it's not unheard of for hot playboy models to wear bunny ears, about the only folks who wear diapers are... well, I don't know who those guys are, but the diapers are a lot freakier than the ears, is all I'm saying.

Seriously, if you want to target fringe furry groups for ridicule, there are folks at the edge of the fandom into much more alarming things (q.v., actual bestiality and child porn, as well as regression fantasies that, while disturbing, are comparatively harmless.)

Atheists? We just have nightmares about banannas. We're harmless.

Except to Richard Dawkins possibly, and only when he's in a chipmunk costume. Heh!

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	senkolke 2008-05-08 04:34 am UTC (link)
	We are the weird thing to be put in a bottle with holes on its cap and be studied in a lab? Those religion-addicted people really, really need to watch themselves in a mirror while praying, reading "the book" and so... I sometimes check some furry christian blogs, and I really think that they're the weird people, and not us... (Reply to this)(Thread)

furthling
2008-05-08 06:00 am UTC (link)

Zomg, I know! Furry Christians? EEeeeeeee!

Joking. Really, considering the demands christianity makes on people, I generally feel sorry for folks struggling under that onus. Especially if they have unconventional interests, like the furry fandom.

What boggles my mind about it most really is the ... imagery of it, I guess you'd say. The Abrahamic faiths really seriously rely on the idea of nature as fallen and evil; that's why they can't even let it remain a goddess, despite all the indirect reference to her (what did God jump on top of and interact with to create the world in genesis? The waters-- in more explicit mythologies, Tiamat, the primordial ocean-- the Mother. Whence came the bodies of Adam and Eve? Dust-- aka earth, aka the Earth, Mother. Eve the active agent at the Tree in the Garden, interacting with the Snake-- in more explicit mythologies, the Serpent Bride, Mother)....

And tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the central motifs of furry art and lit the essentially uncorrupt, unfallen character of anthropomorphic animal people (hence all the relative innocence of sexual capers, etc)?

I can't think of any worse mismatch than Christian "Strangers in this world" and "Nature is fallen and corrupt," "end of time and judgement day," tragic philosophies, and the essentially adventuresome, impuslive, heroic, comical, and let's face it, ultimately shamanistic... native expressions of the furry fandom.

Again, I imagine certain Christian furs would announce "That's not what Christianity is, at its root." Which is great, you know, because I'd just as soon see what Christianity is, culturally, historically, and ideologically, done away with and replaced with this kind of new-age christianity, which while a little flaky, is a lot less obnoxious.

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senkolke
2008-05-08 04:23 pm UTC (link)

I always compared religion with drugs: enter if you want, get out if you can.
From my experiences of talking with some people, I have realized that religion is very much the enslavement of the mind through ignorance and fear.

Because, what's the thing most religions say? Fear God. Fear the hell.
"Fear" is an extremely powerful tool of mind-control. Through fear (specially the "fear to the unknown"), you can make someone to do absolutely everything (even killing, just watch the people in Middle East).
And what kind of people are more susceptible to fear? Ignorant people. Because if people start to read and learn, the "unknown" becomes "known", and therefore, they do not "fear the unknown" anymore...

As for the requests, you're indeed right. Religion demands (they disguise it as "ask", though) stuff like absolute obedience and often self-sacrificial.

This guy I know, who is a Jehovah's Witness, is a very poor person, living basically on money given by him by the government (AKA "welfare leech"), and yet he has to give money, and time to go and preach as well. And guess what? He's barely able to support his family with that money!
Obviously, he's as dumb as a brick (I think he barely finished elementary school), and theremore, very devite to his cult (AKA "useful idiot")

This other catholic guy I know also (LJ: MatthiasRat) appears smart. But he's not because he was also consumed by his faith. Go and watch his LJ and you'll see why I say that...

And I could go on with an evangelist friend oif my dad as well, but I'd be repeating the same...

Religion is an creation of men to control other men. Simple as that. And when someone can actually proved me (by science and in a irrefutable way) that there is a "god", I'll remain athiest and a very fierce detractor of religion (specially catholicism, which is one of the many leeches the gov. of Argentina has).

SenkoLKE
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/senkolke/

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