atheism: What proof or evidence is there that God

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What proof or evidence is there that God or Gods ect. do not exist?
Lack of proof of existence is not considered proof.

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	gwennierocks 2005-11-11 12:15 am UTC (link)
	rolls eyes god not another one. i dont need "proof" to believe what i believe, just as you apparently think you do not either. HOWEVER all scientific evidence, evolution for example, leads us to believe that the bible in particular was a hokey and very well thought out handed down folk story. what proof do YOU have that he/they do? (Reply to this) (Thread)

njyoder
2005-11-11 12:18 am UTC (link)

You don't need proof to believe things? So your beliefs are faith based? That's nice. Evolution and the Bible aren't mutually exclusive, by the way. Scientific evidence doesn't disprove the Bible. In fact, religion and God are outside the scope of science anyway, so why you'd make that argument is surprising and why you'd equate all religions with Christianity is even more surprising. So much for logic...

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	choc 2005-11-11 12:16 am UTC (link)
	Atheism is a lack of belief in God, and not necessarily an outright denial. Of course, if a God concept is logically contradictory, that serves as proof of non-existence. It is indeed possible that something that could be called God exists, just as it's possible that there may be invisible miniature elephants dancing in my bedroom. I have no proof that there aren't. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	evil_genius 2005-11-12 12:10 pm UTC (link)
	Thus IPU and FSM are ever bit as plausible and real as God. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	kieranthomson 2005-11-11 12:19 am UTC (link)
	If I claimed there was a giant invisible donut in the sky, it's my responsibility to furnish proof, not yours. Just because you make a claim with NO evidence does not mean it is true just because it can not be 100% disproven. You silly-willy. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	99catsaway 2005-11-11 04:13 pm UTC (link)
	If I claimed there was a giant invisible donut in the sky Oh my Donut, I just ate God! (Reply to this) (Parent)

phanatic
2005-11-11 12:19 am UTC (link)

Depending on the defined attributes of the God in question:

1. A being that can create logically inconsistent constructs is itself logically inconsistent by extension.

or

2. Evil exists.

or

3. There is no such proof. This is untroubling, because the burden of proof rests upon the one making the positive knowledge claim, and skepticism is the rational default position until that claimant supports his claims.

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	njyoder 2005-11-11 12:46 am UTC (link)
	How is "evil exists" a disproof? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	digital_space 2005-11-11 12:20 am UTC (link)
	None of the definitions of God fit well with observable evidence. This does not mean that there cannot be a creator-God, but it does preclude the forms of it that the organized religions I am familiar with are espousing. (Reply to this)

	animate 2005-11-11 12:21 am UTC (link)
	Welcome to the inquisition. (Reply to this) (Thread)

phanatic
2005-11-11 12:24 am UTC (link)

The Inquisition!
Let's begin!
The Inquisition!
Look out sin!
We have a mission
to convert the Jews.

We're gonna teach them
wrong from right
We're gonna help them
see the light
and make them an offer
that they can't refuse!

(That the Jews just can't refuse!)

Confess!
Don't be boring.
Say yes!
Don't be dull
A fact you're ignoring:
it's better to lose your skullcap
than your skull!

(Oye gevalt!)

Erm...sorry. Kinda stroked off there for a second.

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	Hi. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	Hello. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	33mhz 2005-11-11 12:24 am UTC (link)
	Reporting to legendary thread. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	33mhz 2005-11-11 12:29 am UTC (link)
	Alternately: They can ALL exist, if you use the power of your imagination (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	My favorites are: I don't believe in God for the same reasons I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy. and Invisible man in the sky? Come on now. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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unended01
2005-11-11 12:37 am UTC (link)

What proof or evidence is there that God or Gods ect. do not exist?
Lack of proof of existence is not considered proof.

What proof or evidence is there that leprechauns do not exist?
Lack of proof of existence is not considered proof.

Your turn.

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	(Anonymous) 2005-11-11 06:17 am UTC (link)
	claps I seriously think this may be one of the better responses. -Me. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kadath 2005-11-11 12:54 am UTC (link)
	3,972nd verse, same as the first. Now that you've got your God points for bearding the unbelievers in their den, why don't you toddle off? (Reply to this)

	gummyfish 2005-11-11 01:03 am UTC (link)
	What proof is there that he/she/it/they do exist? (Reply to this)

	theswede 2005-11-11 01:09 am UTC (link)
	Actually, lack of evidence of existence is considered evidence of nonexistence. Them's the breaks, like it or not. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	charlycrash 2005-11-11 01:48 am UTC (link)
	To play devil's advocate for a second, that's only halfway true. You have no proof that I have siblings, but I do. You simply don't have the wherewithal to 'detect' them, as it were. Lack of evidence can either be evidence of nonexistence or your examination faculties being wanting. Thus, doesn't really say much either way. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	cabrutus 2005-11-11 01:20 am UTC (link)
	The evidential problem of evil is one of the best, and in fact the best empirical argument. Also, the concept of God as he is typically propounded by philosophers entails contradictions. God both can and cannot learn, for example, because he is both omnipotent and omniscient. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	phanatic 2005-11-11 02:17 am UTC (link)
	The evidential problem of evil is one of the best, and in fact the best empirical argument. You need to explain this to njyoder. You'll have to use small words, because he's really stupid. (Reply to this) (Parent)

essentialsaltes
2005-11-11 01:28 am UTC (link)

Lack of proof of existence is not considered proof.

No, but it is evidence.

If fairies existed, people could take pictures of them. Apart from fakes, no such pictures exist. Nor are there credible eyewitnesses to fairies. Sane people do not believe in fairies.

Most descriptions of gods impute enormous powers to them. Powers that they use from time to time. However, there is no sign of such divine powers being used today. At best, it appears that even if gods created the universe, they have done nothing but sit on their hands since then.

There is no reason to believe in fairies and, indeed, I disbelieve in them. There is no reason to believe in gods and, indeed, I disbelieve in them.

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	phanatic 2005-11-11 01:58 am UTC (link)
	but it is evidence. No, it's not. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. People in Renaissance Italy could have gone looking for solar neutrinos all they wanted to, but they weren't going to find them. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	tomthefirst 2005-11-11 01:44 am UTC (link)
	Look, my imaginary friend, as much as I would like to believe, does not exist. Reality sucks, donesn't it? That's what brainwashing does to you. It sets you up for extreme disappointment. (Reply to this)

charlycrash
2005-11-11 01:44 am UTC (link)

Here's one: fuck off.

What exactly are you trying to achieve? We could sit here and fire perfectly valid logical, practical, scientific, historical, sociological, psychological, philosophical and epistemological reasons at you all day long (many of which you could accrue by simply reading earlier posts), but i'd wager you aren't here to listen, and given your belief in ~~leprechauns~~ God i'd guess most of them would be rather lost on you in the first place.

Nobody in here wants to be or is going to be converted, and I doubt you came here because you're looking into atheism as a lifestyle choice. Goodbye.

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	I think the existance of internet trolls is pretty good evidence that god doesn't exist. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	I'm fairly sure the existance of 95% of the internet's populace is proof god doesn't exist. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	Classy and sexxy. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	I was wondering what could make this post 87 comments, and then I saw njyoder was here, and life made perfect sense again. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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midnightmadness, 2005-11-13 03:49 am UTC

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evil_genius, 2005-11-13 12:15 pm UTC

	lovehotel 2005-11-11 04:10 am UTC (link)
	I really do pity whatever god you claim loves you. real or not. (Reply to this)

kanato
2005-11-11 05:23 am UTC (link)

It's generally impossible to prove something does not exist.
It's obviously possible to imagine all sorts silly things which do not exist (sixteen-headed purple unicorns, for instance)
Thus the only reasonable conclusion is that the burden of proof must rest with someone making the claim that something exists. Given the incredible lack of consistent evidence that there is a god, it's reasonable to conclude that there isn't one.

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pali
2005-11-11 08:31 am UTC (link)

I require one or both of the following for me to believe something:

1) There is solid physical evidence for this belief;

2) There are logical reasons to believe.

A god, in my opinion, fails to meet either of the above requirements. I believe that it is highly likely that somewhere else in the universe there exists other forms of life. I have no solid physical evidence of this. However, given how incredibly massive the universe is, it seems likely to me that if life could develop here, it could develop elsewhere as well. I won't say for certain that extraterrestrial life exists, but only that I think it probably does. Likewise, I won't say for certain that God doesn't exist, only that I think He probably doesn't.

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	j_brisby 2005-11-11 01:38 pm UTC (link)
	Who said god was proven not to exist? I don't believe in it because there's no reason to. Whether it's proven not to exist is irrelevant. (Reply to this)

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