Mary ([info]empty_party) wrote in [info]astrology,
@ 2009-06-20 00:48:00
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Sun and moon signs
Well, I just thought this might make for an interesting discussion, as astrologers seem to often have vastly different opinions on the relationship between sun and moon signs and it would be cool to hear your experiences and opinions...

I guess I wonder... Which would you say was a truer representation of somebody, the sun or moon sign? I feel it's most beneficial to look at the chart as a whole of course, but I just thought it would be interesting to hear opinions on what might be a more helpful central focus so to speak...

But then more than that it would be cool just to hear your experiences with your sun and moon signs, like how you experience them and how they relate. Maybe I'll discover some patterns and understand them better?

I have the sun in Libra and the moon in Capricorn. I can read descriptions of the Libra sign and objectively say, "Yes, I am quite like this..." I must say it's really important to me to be nice and to be seen as nice, and I'm a perfectionist in that I'm always wanting everything to be harmonious and pleasant... Not a really dramatic sort of person except for those "tipping" times. ;) And even the descriptions of Libran appearance fits me in some ways and I can see those features in other Libras.

Anyway then I have a Capricorn moon, and when I read descriptions of this sign it's not exactly objective... It's more a feeling thing, it's hard to explain. Like, the surface traits don't resonate with me so much (eg, good business sense, conservative, etc.) but the general feeling of melancholy and shyness and the root behind it fits my instinctive side so well.

Now it gets complicated for me when astrologers have such vastly differing ideas as to which one is more real or inner... I could actually see both, though. Because I do like for things to be basically pleasant and I can see the silver lining fairly easily... Those are traits I'm just drawn to embodying. But if this part of me feels threatened I can instinctively feel gloomy and I might not be really outwardly congenial, to protect that part of me.

So yeah! Sorry for writing a novel there, heh...


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[info]anowyn
2009-06-20 08:34 am UTC (link)
i've always thought the rising sign was more of a representation of how someone is (at least, how they interact with other people)

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[info]madresal
2009-06-20 10:50 am UTC (link)
I think all parts of my chart seem real to me :) As a Taurus moon, I'm definitely a lot calmer and more passive than your average Leo Sun.

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[info]eviltweeter
2009-06-20 11:24 am UTC (link)
Hi! You might want to take a look at this thread:

http://community.livejournal.com/astrology/2221975.html

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[info]eviltweeter
2009-06-20 11:29 am UTC (link)
Oh, oops, I just saw you also posted a comment there so you probably know about the thread :)

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[info]empty_party
2009-06-22 09:58 am UTC (link)
Ooh yeah, heh... I'm always thinking of new possibilities, guess I got ahead of myself and posted my latest thought processes...

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[info]______etc
2009-06-20 01:37 pm UTC (link)
I'm a double Libra (sun/moon). Yet I hardly come off as or feel Libran. My ascendant is in Capricorn,and I identify with it a lot more. I also think Venus and Mars (mine are both in Scorpio) may play large roles in a chart too.

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[info]sellotape
2009-06-20 02:21 pm UTC (link)
I would say the ascendant/rising sign has a tendency to trump both in measures of personal representation. For me, I have a sun in Pisces and a moon in Libra — a lot of how I acted made sense more when I read up on my moon, but it really came together when I factored in my ascendant, Virgo.

How close would you say you are to your rising sign?

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[info]empty_party
2009-06-22 09:56 am UTC (link)
A lot! I have an Aquarius ascendant and I'm so quirky, and I can be a bit distant. Oh and I'm nervous. This is interesting to read from people that the ascendant is rather important...

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[info]junkiedrunklove
2009-06-20 03:10 pm UTC (link)
This is just my crazy opinion that no-one agrees with, lol, but I basically think that the Sun is a really weak influence...
I think if you happen to have other things in your chart that encourage the behavior of you Sun sign, like a Mercury in Libra or Venus in Libra or even just house placements with similar temperaments, you're gonna read it and go, "Wow, that's so true!", but if you had sun in Libra and Mercury in Virgo and Venus and Scorpio, you might read it and go, "...what the fuck, no.", lol, ya know?
Because I hear people say things like, "Oh, you believe in astrolgy? Well explain why I'm a Pisces but I act nothing like that", and then come to find out, that's because they have Mercury and Venus in Aries, which obviously, very different personality than Pisces. I think the Sun sign can easily be overridden, so yea, the Moon sign is definitely much more important, and telling, to me.

But then again, your post basically completely contradicts my rambling, so again, that's just my crockpot opinion, haha xD
Maybe I'm just bitter because I'm sick of crappy, mainstream Sun sign astrology always making astrology look bad ;___;
....On the other hand, one of my best friends is a Sun Libra, Moon in Capricorn and she's the same as you-- agrees with the emotional aspect of the moon description but not the intellectual. Which I guess makes sense because the moon is more so about your emotions, lol. So maybe that "business sense" is only relevant if they have more "economic" signs to support it? :)

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[info]anrui_ichido
2009-06-20 03:55 pm UTC (link)
To me, just like the solar system, I feel the sun is at a person's core, so it may not come out in the way they act at all unless, like you said, they have other signs to back it up. I don't agree it's a weak influence, it's just not overly apparent sometimes because it's in the deepest part of you; and I think maybe it can affect our actions in very subtle ways, we may not even realize it sometimes.

The chart really is the whole picture, and I wish mainstream astrology followed it better. ;_;

I also think people tend to identify with their rising sign because it's how they present themselves, or is the initial feeling they give off. It's the surface stuff, the stuff that is most easily seen. Though in my case, my rising is the only air I have in a sea of fire and water signs, so although I'm Gemini in the way that I like being social, conversational, etc. I seem to lack the detached feeling that a lot of Gemini risings sometimes have; no one finds me unapproachable.

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[info]talheres
2009-06-21 11:22 am UTC (link)
I'm a Gemini (Sun, Jupiter), but while I like communicating and exchanging information is something I enjoy doing, small talk really isn't my thing, and I blame my Pluto aspects and a fair amount of planets in fixed signs for that. I may have to look in to local science and philosophy clubs again.

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[info]junkiedrunklove
2009-06-22 04:56 pm UTC (link)
"I feel the sun is at a person's core,"

that's an interesting way to think of it...
it would be impossible for me personally to tell because my sun sign is heavy in my chart, so i very much fit it...
but other people, maaaybe.

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[info]empty_party
2009-06-22 10:02 am UTC (link)
Oh, well, I like your post! I feel bad when astrologers say that Libras aren't very deep thinking so to speak... I have a Scorpio stellium including Mercury conjunct Pluto so I love psychological probing. XD

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[info]junkiedrunklove
2009-06-22 04:59 pm UTC (link)
well whoever says that it stupid, lolz :P because literally everyone i know with Libran influence is interested in psychology, if not as a career path than at least as a good read. :P

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[info]empty_party
2009-06-23 06:17 am UTC (link)
heh That's interesting... Maybe because we're interested in people.

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[info]sellotape
2009-06-22 10:41 am UTC (link)
Nah, that makes a lot of sense. Really, the sun is only one part of a person; of course it's not going to be a tell-all. If anything, sun signs should be used as a vague guideline, the very core of a person. It may or may not show as much as others, but it's definitely there. I think the ascendant shows more than the sun might, as the first house is really all about appearances and how people see you. For instance, while I may agree with several Pisces stereotypes, I tend to come off as less 'goes with the flow' and more 'critical/sarcastic'. That's mostly because of my ascendant, Virgo... which often gets me into trouble, because I throw off this hardass exterior and people get all weirded out when I well up with tears. I can give more than enough criticism, but I often can't take it. I would've just chalked it up to bipolarity if I didn't realize what my ascendant was— so in that case, it's very important.

I also get where you're coming from with the mainstream astrology thing. :/ I tell somebody I'm into it and they look at me like I'm a nutcase. There's more to it than horoscopes, people! I don't even read those!

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[info]junkiedrunklove
2009-06-22 05:04 pm UTC (link)
I can relate to everything you said there, oddly, even though my ascendant is in Cancer.. o.o I guess it's a combination of Cancer's outer shell and the fact that most of my other planets are fixed, but I come off as very aloof and hard, but deep down my Libra moon in the 4th house just wants peace and love ;__; lmfao

and lolz, yea, the only thing worse than people who think i'm crazy for liking astrology are the actual crazy people who read way too much into mainstream astrology.. because no matter how much you try to explain to them that there's more than just your sun sign, they just don't wanna hear it xD

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[info]willow044
2009-06-20 04:52 pm UTC (link)
I think the Sun is too glossed over really. People go, "That's me!" thinking it's who they are as a whole and the rest of the aspects and planetary positions revolve around that. But if you REALLY look at what the Sun is about, it's a lot about ego. The ego is not even the true self. I could go on and on, because it's a lot of psychological stuff that's really worth looking into if you're into astrology, but I won't. There's Neptune that's all about transcending the ego, and Pluto is the Soul. The Sun is sort of like another mask we wear as we go about our daily lives. It covers up who we TRULY are, it is only a part of us. Some people have a strong sun, others don't. If you're really confused about how ego works, I think the best thing to look at would be narcissistic personality disorder - ego really rules there, it's like an extremely overinflated Sun.

I sometimes think the Moon might be more telling of what to expect from someone, as a whole. Emotions are usually strong, most people have them, and many people use them to form opinions, thoughts, and they can even be the basis for behavior. Usually when you're dealing with someone, you're going to be dealing with their emotions (unless you're a sociopath who doesn't care/can't feel them), whether it be by them directly expressing them, or their words or actions partially being formed by them.

I think determining the strength of the two can only be determined by looking at where they are in the chart and what aspects are being made to them. I, for one, feel more like my Moon Sign and I bet it's because it's right in my 1st house, conjunct Chiron, and opposing a bunch of 7th house planets. There's no way my Moon can't play front and center. My Sun, which I never really feel is part of me, and others have said I don't seem like that sign, is really poorly aspected, especially by Neptune. My Sun doesn't get played out much except when I really feel inferior.

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[info]empty_party
2009-06-22 10:13 am UTC (link)
This was really helpful, thank you. I have often viewed the sun as the ego and the moon a more instinctive influence, so I have privately been compelled to focus on the moon more but I hear so much about the sun that... I thought I would ask for opinions, heh.

My moon is more heavily aspected than my sun as well, including a conjunction to Neptune, and a tight sextile to Pluto.

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[info]prophetessamy
2009-06-20 09:40 pm UTC (link)
Neither is a 'truer' manifestation, in my opinion. They are both true and not in competition. The trouble most people encounter, I think, is when they read descriptions that others have written as a static description and then try to determine from that static description what is more true about themselves. If one description of Libra sounds more right than the other description of Capricorn, you might be vulnerable to assuming that you are more Libra than Capricorn, or vice versa, when really the flaw was in the flat and unchangeable paragraph written solely about Libra or Capricorn.

A Sun in Libra with a Moon in Capricorn person is a unique beast. Even very well written, thoughtful, and deep comments about any one energy will fall short.

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[info]phonebill
2009-06-20 11:56 pm UTC (link)
I feel like it depends on the mood and situation youre in.

On a daily basis, I act more like my rising sign, which is Virgo.
Around comfortable yet still unfamiliar territory, I act more like my sun sign (Taurus), which still has very strong blendings of Virgo.

I feel like I'm at my most "true", or honest, and that's what my moon sign Aquarius takes over and has strong undertones of Taurus in it, though still with faint flickers of Virgo. However, that's when my ascendant is most distant.

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[info]susanrodio
2009-06-21 07:11 am UTC (link)
I feel a strong energy from my Sun, Moon and Ascendant equally but they do emerge and pronounce themselves in different situations, being around different people seem to bring out different qualities of my chart, but I do show the Sun Moon and AC most, I think they come out fairly evenly with each person.

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[info]dante_deo
2009-06-21 10:37 am UTC (link)
I find that the AC is often what we wish we were, or how we want others to see us, the Sun is what we are here to learn/Be, and the moon is how we process the world emotionally.

I also factor the IC and MC heavily into the reading of the moon and sun respectively. The IC for the moon, the MC for the sun - I find that a person's IC and moon often have an interesting relationship.

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