astralsociety: Dangers of Astral Projection

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lupinehunter) wrote in

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@ 2006-02-02 12:49:00

Dangers of Astral Projection
Hello,

Can somebody tell me about the possible dangers of astral projection? What is the worst thing that can happen? Can someone come and severe your cord? Should astral projection be practiced freely by newbies?

Thanks.

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	abinarylife 2006-02-02 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	I've heard stories of people getting into their bodies backward. But that usually wears off after a couple hours. Robert Bruce wrote a pretty good book on astral travel called "Astral Dynamics". That might help you out better. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	lupinehunter 2006-02-02 10:43 pm UTC (link)
	backwards like looking through back of your head? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	abinarylife 2006-02-03 11:10 am UTC (link)
	something like that. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	small_fry69 2006-02-02 08:25 pm UTC (link)
	backwards? could you explain that (Reply to this) (Thread)

	abinarylife 2006-02-03 11:18 am UTC (link)
	when that silven cord snaps you back in your body there is a danger of getting turned around and dropping in backward. I haven't heard much on the subject but I know it happens. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ssjgokuy2k 2006-02-02 09:24 pm UTC (link)
	I came across a demon of some sort the first time. It was the things it said to me that freaked me out more than anything. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	lupinehunter 2006-02-02 10:42 pm UTC (link)
	what did it say to you? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	I bet it said: vovinoiad 2006-02-02 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	OMG N00B L0llx0r5!!!! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	Re: I bet it said: moonwrangler 2006-02-02 11:46 pm UTC (link)
	Or maybe something guttural in Swedish that turned out to be a death metal lyric. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	vovinoiad 2006-02-02 11:52 pm UTC (link)
	Geschwärzte Splatter-Spitzen der Gehirn-ekelhaften Angelegenheit glaubten keinen Schmerz-blutigen Klumpen Schädel und Haar-tragischem Verlust aber mir sich interessieren nicht Selbstmord-Bumsen, Selbstmord-Du Arschloch dauerten Ihr Leben, das Sie sog Selbstmord-Bumsen, Selbstmord-Bumsen-Du Arschloch sich interessiert!! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	lupinehunter 2006-02-03 12:55 am UTC (link)
	What is your purpose here? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	vovinoiad 2006-02-03 01:14 am UTC (link)
	What is your purpose here? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	lupinehunter 2006-02-03 01:22 am UTC (link)
	I'm trying to see if what I started doing is dangerous or not, should I continue doing it or not. I am consulting people that may have better knowledge than mine. Can we get your answer now? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ssjgokuy2k 2006-02-03 12:15 am UTC (link)
	Well here's what happened from what I can recall (it happened over a year ago), I heard my mom call me from her bedroom so I went to her room and found her asleep, however I heard something under her bed say something like, 'I'm going to kill you'. So I ran back. But maybe that's where they got the idea about a monster under the bed ;p. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	awillowweeping 2006-02-02 10:18 pm UTC (link)
	I had issues getting back IN once, that was annoying as hell. But a funny story now that I can look back on it. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	lupinehunter 2006-02-02 10:42 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you. How exactly did that happen, can you give details please? How did you feel and were you still conscious? Was it like a sleep paralysis? And can someone practice getting back in to become better at it? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

awillowweeping
2006-02-03 01:03 am UTC (link)

I used to be terribly addicted to caffeine, and at the time I was trying to do myself a favor and cut cold turkey, drinking mosly water and sprite. I was going through some major withdrawl for a week or two as my body was trying to acclimate, so I was even less grounded then I usually am.

I personally dont like being completely grounded, but thats just me. Durring this withdrawl I was 'hanging on by a thread' so to speak. feeling generally sleep deprived and incapable of much coherent thought. At the time I was living in a studio apartment in the basement of a house. I was the only one home, and I was asked to let in some painters who were working on the upstairs livingroom.

I was laying on the couch, and I think to myself "oh crap, the painters are almost here" so I roll off the couch and go running up the stairs. Half way up Im all like "wait just one moment!" and I realize i didn't bring my body along with me!

So i run back down, and there I am still laying on the couch. I think because I was so out of it, i went out with alot less connections to my body then i usually have, so I had some trouble trying to figure out how to get back in. A number of times I tried laying back down ontop of myself and jumping back up. That didn't work to well!

Eventually, with the help of a close spirit companion of mine I was able to recconect everything that needed to be recconected and just as I sat my body up I heard knocking on the door upstairs.

I've experienced sleep paralysis before, and it's nothing like astral projection. At least not for me. Sleep Paralysis is like having those connections forcably torn away and still being stuck in your body, unable to move. I could see out of my eyes, but that was the only perspective I had.

Practicing will make you get better at it, but I wouldnt do it alone, just incase you get stuck like I did, and don't have anyone to help you.

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lupinehunter
2006-02-03 01:26 am UTC (link)

Exactly. It all makes sense with the book "The Projection of the Astral Body". I finished only the first two chapters yet. Your being physically incapable was the reason of the projection.

I've been having astral experiences for two nights in row now, right after reading the first two chapters. I had sleep paralyses before, and I am very positive that they are almost the same thing. You have to read the book. It all makes sense.

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awillowweeping
2006-02-03 02:53 am UTC (link)

i think i have that book somewhere, someone gave it to me. I'm still not conviced that astral projection and sleep paralysis are the same thing. When I project, i'm not aware of my breathing and my perspective is all different. When you are astral projecting...you are PROJECTING, by definition that means "to thrust outward" With sleep paralysis you are still inside your body, still aware of your breathing, and blinking and only of your imediate surroundings. You are trapped within, not without.

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	lupinehunter 2006-02-03 03:26 am UTC (link)
	The second chapter of that book disagrees. If I'm not mistaken, it says that physical catalepsy is resulted from astral catalepsy, and the two are almost in coincidence at that time. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	awillowweeping 2006-02-03 03:30 am UTC (link)
	yeah, but I doubt the author of your book is the grand high poobah of all that is astral projection. Don't BELIEVE everything you read, learn from it, remember it, and discover on your own. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	lupinehunter 2006-02-03 03:36 am UTC (link)
	It makes sense to me since it felt the same. I didn't say it's the best source out there. Maybe what you believe is right and we probably have no means of proof, so there is no point in asserting the truth of our beliefs. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aristastarfyr 2006-02-03 04:48 am UTC (link)
	Oh, I bet he was amused with that one! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	awillowweeping 2006-02-03 05:17 am UTC (link)
	You cannot IMAGINE (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	aristastarfyr 2006-02-03 07:35 am UTC (link)
	But I can TRY! That's the fun part! (Reply to this) (Parent)

colourscent
2006-02-03 01:28 am UTC (link)

Okay, this makes sense.

One time staying at my parent's house in my sister's room, I woke up frightened & tried to turn the lamp on. I kept hitting it over & over & it wouldn't turn on (it was the touch kind). So I got out of bed & tried to open the door & I could not get it to budge. I finally could turn the lock & flung it open. Then I woke up in my body & the lamp was off, but the door was wide open & my sister told me she always shut it. (she had left earlier) but it felt.. so real like I had done that right before I woke up. & the lamp suddenly was not working anymore when it did the night before & it was plugged in.

I had to really be into opening that door if I was really the person who opened it. Wow.

Heidi

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vovinoiad
2006-02-03 01:57 am UTC (link)

So let me get this straight. All questions of "Is astral projection really possible at all?" aside...

You plan on ejecting your consciousness from it's physical housing, and go traipsing off through something that doesn't have anything in common with exitence as we know it, and, in fact has only been vaguely and semi-hypothetically charted by a handful of serious thinkers and a vast army of complete wankers trying to make a buck off of impressionable idiots...

...and you're trying to see if doing that is dangerous?

Newsflash, kiddo.

FUCK YES IT'S DANGEROUS.

If you're lucky. it will only result in possible traumatic stress disorder as your brain tries to wrap itself around totally alien concepts.

If you're UNLUCKY...well...ever hear the phrase "schizophrenic break from reality"?

That's not even touching the thought that what's out there might decide to hollow you out and wear your skin in our world like a shiny new Gazi-suit and wreak God knows what havoc on the physical persons of your closest friends and relatives before it flames out in a glorious display of psychotic gibbering and wallowing in feces it produced with your bowels.

So that's it for your purpose.

For my purpose? I'm here because of the same reason I'm in every other community I'm in on Livejournal. It entertains me, and occasionally I run into interesting people.

Satisfied?

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	awillowweeping 2006-02-03 02:55 am UTC (link)
	amen! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	lupinehunter 2006-02-03 03:27 am UTC (link)
	Thanks for your point of view. It indeed is close to what I've thought might be one of the dangers. I wish you were less cruel and had some references to back up your ideas. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	vovinoiad 2006-02-03 03:30 am UTC (link)
	References I can do. Less cruelty? If I seem "cruel" to you, you have absolutely no fucking business messing about with the borders of reality and sanity. And I mean that in a totally dead serious way. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	lupinehunter 2006-02-03 03:39 am UTC (link)
	dodges the biting sarcasm again Seriously, can you point me to a reference that talks about such a case where someone started to mess with astral projection and went nuts? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

vovinoiad
2006-02-03 03:59 am UTC (link)

I wasn't being sarcastic, kid. Nor have I taken offense. Personally, I'm all in favor of cocky young dumb-asses getting in over their heads. You want references to the actual dangers of what you're attempting? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you'd actually done your homework before trying anything.

Do some basic research for yourself.And I mean more than reading two chapters of a book written in the 1920's. Then, once you're done with that, if you still have questions, maybe we'll talk seriously.

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lupinehunter
2006-02-03 04:11 am UTC (link)

LOL so your purpose indeed is to call people you don't know names and use your little inference engine to tell them what to do and feed your ego. Got it.

Who the fuck are you to call me kid and teach me about things that you confess you have no idea about? Newsflash: the title of this community reads "astralsociety" and I am looking forward to exchange information and ideas with people that are interested in the astral dimension. About people who even doubt that it is real and still find the empty courage to talk bullshit about it, I believe they should shut the fuck up. *replay Dave Chappelle black Bush sketch in front of the four microphones* "Shut-the-fuck-up".

You need to learn this now that you are so old: telling people to go read something is not nice. Nooot nice.

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	awillowweeping 2006-02-03 03:32 am UTC (link)
	I don't think they are being cruel, just sarcastic. No need to take offence at everything on the interwebs :-P And i think his oppinions were fashioned from common sence, there for the need for references be kinda nill. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	lupinehunter 2006-02-03 03:37 am UTC (link)
	Haha, you are telling me not to take offense? Re-read the thread and see who is being touchy. (Reply to this) (Parent)

vovinoiad
2006-02-03 04:27 am UTC (link)

*le sigh* tell me again you aren't taking offense. It's starting to sound even funnier.

I haven't called you any names, unless you count "kiddo" as a vicious slur against your ethnic or cultural heritage. I also haven't told you what to do, beyond the normal "You should really do your basic research" admonition that all of us who've been in the game for more than a few years hand out to the n00b5. I also haven't confessed about not having any ideas about anything. In fact, if you'd pull your cranium out of your rectum, you might be able to infer (ooo! PROPER use of a big ole two-dollar word!) that I may perhaps know quite a good deal about what I'm talking about...and not just from one book that I've skimmed two chapters of, but from over a decade of study and actual practice. (Not to mention a lot of dumb mistakes of my own, which i believe is what I'm trying to admonish you to watch out for.)

I'm just not the kind of guy who believes in handing out freebies to people over t3H 1NtArW3b, is all.

And if you accept whole-heartedly that ANY view of "reality" is "real", without doubting it at all...well, hey. I hear these guys have a WHOLE LOT OF BOOKS you'll probably LOVE to give them money for.

As for "Who the fuck am I to call you kid"? Well, I'll be blunt. You stop acting like one, and I'll stop treating you like one. of course, I'll still be nearly a decade older and wiser than you, but I won't hold that against you.

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aristastarfyr
2006-02-03 04:56 am UTC (link)

for what it be worth, I know people who astral project/medium, blah blah blah...

I try my best not to do it myself. There are some things I'm going to have to learn, since it appears that one of my children is a natural at it, or is for the time being until he gets older -=shrug=-

Personally, the very literal thought of 'hanging by a thread' frightens and seduces me. Many of the times me not being in my body has occurred quite by accident, and thank the fates I'm still safe and whole.

...or...am I?

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lupinehunter
2006-02-03 05:04 am UTC (link)

Ok thank you for the answer. The thing is I am not sure if I can control this consciously and not do it now that I am aware when my astral leaves the body, which is told to happen most of the time in bed anyways. I mean, if it's happening anyways and now I started to be conscious about it, I might not be able to force myself to be unconscious about it.

Apart from my own little experiences, the thing that made me even consider this might be real is the Nobel Prize winner chemist Kary Mullis's book "Dancing Naked in the Mind Field". There he talks about how he used to inhale a kind of gas to get a little high and how one day the reaction between the gas and one medicine he took made him faint with the gas tube in his mouth, filling him with that gas. Then he got rescued without knowing by a woman who saw her from the astral dimension and who later came in person to visit him and tell him about it.

I'm just throwing this out there, might be a frame of reference in the reality argument of this whole thing. I know one can be skeptic about it, but he fucking discovered PCR and he is one of the honest scientists out there who states that HIV causes AIDS is an unproved hypothesis, along with the bunch most of who lost their jobs because of telling the truth.

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	lupinehunter 2006-02-03 05:19 am UTC (link)
	Maybe I should add this: A friend of my friend used to tell my friend that he often did astral projection out of his control and got into trouble there. He said he got scars on his face upon waking up. It's hearsay, but might be true. (Reply to this) (Thread)

jupiters_galaxy
2006-02-04 04:17 am UTC (link)

Look, I think some people are getting a little out of hand about this.

I've been studying astral projection for 8 years, and there's nothing "dangerous" about it. In fact, scientists are studying projections and they are finding that we project three times a week, but we just don't remember it. Projections happen more often than we know, and seriously, if it was dangerous, why would we be able to do it in the first place?

Really, you can't get lost because you have Spirit Guides who can help you to get back to your body. There are family members, friends, and others on the other side that will easily get you back home. Your cord cannot be severed, it is developed in such a way that it is indestructible. If it could be severed, why would it be there at all?

Nothing can take over your body when you project because your Soul is still in the body. Your projected body is your Ethreal, or energy body. It's not your actual Soul. It cannot damage you, either. If your friend had scars, that must be because he scratched himself or some other reason, but astral projection doesn't hurt the physical body. The astral body is purely energy, it can't affect anything physically.

The worst thing that happens with astral projection is sometimes, when you're consciously projecting or you're sleeping and you accidentally wake up while you're projecting, and you feel like someone might be crushing you or trying to hurt you and you feel paralyzed. No one is hurting you, it's called astral catalepsy, and it's just your astral body coming back in. It's kind of a creepy feeling, but just ask yourself to not feel that when you project, and it won't happen.

Really, that's the jist of it. Astral projection is NOT dangerous. Sometimes you might project and encounter something scary (believe me, I've been there) but it cannot hurt you and you have guides and guardians to get you safely back home. You're not alone in life and you're not alone when you're projecting. It's alright, I promise.

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lupinehunter
2006-02-04 08:02 am UTC (link)

You are the greatest. Then I'll go on and try to improve myself. The only thing I could do so far was to rise in my room. I was terrified though, I even couldn't look continuously, I took little peeks and saw the walls closer and closer.
I'm so glad that I had the chance to explore this part of life. Let me ask you one thing. When I was a kid our neighbor's daughter made us play this game: one of us would lie on the ground and would imagine that he is not here, he imagined being his favorite cartoon character and flying above the clouds. Others sat around him and had their two fingers of each hand under him. Normally it was impossible to lift the one on the ground with fingers, but after a while she would give us the sign and we would easily raise him like a foot. Once he realized what's going on he would fall on the ground. It wasn't easy, but we had many successful lifts. I can never forget how I hit my head after dropping. Since I was a kid it was like a normal game to me. I totally forgot about this until one night at college when we were telling each other spooky stories and I was super confused and amazed after remembering it. Do you know what exactly was going on there? How could it affect our weight? I mean this would be a great scientific proof that paranormal things exist.

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jupiters_galaxy
2006-02-04 11:34 pm UTC (link)

Actually, what you're describing is a form of self-hypnosis, in which you believe something that would normally be thought of as impossible. You probably put yourselves in a light trance when you did it. People often do this type of thing by putting their fingers under someone and they all chant, "Light as a feather," then they can actually lift that person up because their mind is in a trance and it believes that the person being lifted is truly light as a feather.

Scientists have been studying hypnosis for years. They have found that the subconscious takes control when in a trance and it will believe what it is told. They can put an ice cube on someone in a trance and say it is a hot poker, and a blister will appear where the ice touched. The mind is very influental and can do many things. That's why they tell you not to say negative things like, "I'm fat," because your mind will begin to think you really are fat.

Basically hypnosis is a form of the paranormal, because some people in trances can communicate with the dead or astral project, etc. It has been scientifically proven by the late great Edgar Cayce that hypnosis is a powerful thing.

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	lupinehunter 2006-02-05 12:26 am UTC (link)
	Oh so the explanation is, the lifters were convinced that the one on the ground was light as a feather. It has been many years so I can't really analyze the situation but I think that makes sense. Then it wasn't anything more special than hypnotized people walking on burning coal and nobody became lighter than he was. Thank you. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

jupiters_galaxy
2006-02-05 12:52 am UTC (link)

No, it's still special. I mean think of how powerful the mind is to think that it is lifting someone light as a feather? If we used hypnosis in a controlled situation, we could get people to believe they don't have cancer and their cancer could go away, or we could influence psychic power as well. It is extraordinary that our minds can amount to so much, when scientists always thought we only used about 10%.

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