The Bringer of the Light ([info]fosforos) wrote in [info]asperger,
@ 2007-05-05 19:31:00
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Asperger doubts
I'm a 19-year-old-girl. Yesterday my acquaintance, who has Asperger's syndrome, told me that I seem to have many features that are typical for an AS person. I haven't thought about that before, but today I have thought about that, and many things just seem to "click."

When I was a child, I had some special interests like reading books about medical sciences, reading about murderers, and drawing. I played with my kid sister, and I wasn't interested in getting friends. Adjusting into school was hard for me, because I was very, very shy - I didn't play with others; I liked to be alone. I just walked around the school yard and "told stories in my head", if you know what I mean. I have always lived more in my head than material world, and nowadays I can spend even many hours walking in my room and thinking about things. I think verbally, and I have endless monologues in my head, so I'm talking to myself inside my head (always with written language, for some reason), and I often realize I'm moving my mouth and hands when thinking. One thing that isn't very typical to AS people, is that I'm very expressive. I use expressions and I move my hands very much, when I'm talking to people. I don't like group situations, because they make me nervous and "spacey" - I find it really hard to concentrate what everyone is saying. I use eye contact a little, but my eyes move a lot, because keeping an eye contact is uncomfortable.

I got my first friends when I was 9 years old (and they were few years younger than me). I didn't talk to people at school, unless I was asked something - at home, I talked normally. But, I had an eccentric feature in my speech. I just didn't like letter y, so I didn't use it at all - I replaced it with u (in Finnish language, they have quite a big difference). When I was 10, I finally started to talk like other people do. Before that, I had some speech therapy. I could say that letter, I just didn't want to.

When I was in junior high, I was bullied, and I think it was because I was so shy and didn't talk much. Now I have some friends, but I still have difficulties with relationships, especially if they are romantic. I can be quite obsessive with my crushes, but I find it very hard to let people close to me, because I feel like I live in my own universe, so nobody can reach me. Rationalizing my emotions is easy to me, but experiencing and expressing them can be hard. I start to feel uncomfortable and fearful when someone "invades" my personal space. I'm not very interested in sex. I just don't enjoy it very much. An intellectual conversation is much more satisfying to me. I also don't feel like a woman - I feel more like neutral-gendered, being "something-in-between."

I also have some motor difficulties. I learnt to drive a bike when I was 9 years old, and I can't swim at all. This can be partly explained by my fear of new situations. I'm also really bad at throwing and catching a ball, and when I try to run fast, I tend to fall down, because I find it hard to move my legs so quickly.

I have been depressed for five years, and now I'm on medication. I don't know what has caused my depression, but maybe it's my social problems. I'm bad at interpretating people, because I notice even small variations of tone, expressions etc. - and take it as criticism or attack towards me. When I feel attacked, I tend to take out my frustration by self-mutilation, because I don't know what to do. If I can't understand and control my emotions and feelings, I feel like falling apart.

I have some concentration problems, but when I'm doing something I like (reading, in example), I tend to lose the track of time, and I'm completely absorbed to it. When I'm doing something that doesn't interest me, my mind wanders all the time. In group situations my mind goes "blank", because I don't know who to look at and who to listen to. People are often saying to me: "You've lost contact with world, again." It's hard for me to be still - I'm always moving my hands and feet.

What do you think? I will be thankful if you help me with this!



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[info]lastres0rt
2007-05-05 04:55 pm UTC (link)
It's a paradox - A lot of NT's who hear about Asperger's syndrome only 'respect' it if you have an actual diagnosis. I get a totally different response from when I'm talking about Asperger's ("Oh! Well what about [insert random phenomenon here?"), and when people realize I'm still waiting to go get a dx ("You're just faking it, shut up.")

You probably do have it, and even if you don't you're close enough that you should still consider getting a clinical once-over just to be sure.

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[info]sf_aspie
2007-05-05 04:58 pm UTC (link)
I'd agree that a number of the traits you've mentioned above align with persons who have AS. At the same time it is important to remember that these symptoms/experiences are not unique to AS: neurotypicals have them too. As with many things, it is a matter of degree and configuration.

I'd suggest reading some books on the topic and becoming more knowledgeable about AS. There's a link to some great reading resources off of the user page for this community.

In the end, there are really only two people who can give you the AS label: a doctor and yourself.

...and you can always override the doctor.

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[info]laurenpburka
2007-05-05 11:48 pm UTC (link)
In the end, there are really only two people who can give you the AS label: a doctor and yourself.

...and you can always override the doctor.


I like the way you said that.

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[info]debin_kun
2007-05-05 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Many of these traits and behaviors you refer to are the same in my case. Unlike most aspies I've met, I'm fond of using irony, sarcasm, and metaphors. I can't keep my hands still, either, they'll often do part of the speaking for me, and if I happen to be standing at the time I can't stay in one place for too long; I need to move around. My eyes dart everywhere when I'm speaking, from one person's eyes, to the ceiling, to the floor, to another person's eyes, to my hands, to the wall, and so on and so forth. I've never been particularly interested in sex, and I never made many friends in school because I hardly ever interacted with anyone. I spent most of my time running through monologues in my head... or rather, multiple monologues partially directed at one another, sort of pseudo-conversations. Sometimes I still can't ride a bike very well, and I still can't swim (although this does have more to do with being uncomfortable in new situations). If I'm focused on something I'll often forget to eat and sleep, and I'm almost always off in my own world, though still paying attention to the things going on in this world.

I've never been diagnosed, but at the very least I can say that others can relate to the issues you've had.

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[info]ranka
2007-05-06 03:59 am UTC (link)
I'm fond of using irony, sarcasm, and metaphors. Same here, but I'm often cautious about using irony/sarcasm unless I'm speaking with someone who also tends to use a lot of it, for fear I'll be misunderstood.

I adore metaphors, they fascinate me. One of my all-time favorites is "eye-candy". Something about it just strikes my asthetic sense as being a perfect metaphor, wonderfully evocative.

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[info]bauhausfrau
2007-05-05 05:13 pm UTC (link)
You might also look up info on children with parents who have Borderline Personality Disorder. You haven't said anything about what your parents are like but many children of BPD parents have traits similar to what you described. Good books on the subject are Surviving a Borderline Parent and Walking on Eggshells.

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[info]debin_kun
2007-05-05 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Really? I've long suspected that my father might have BPD. Of course, autism spectrum disorders run in my family, too, as well as bipolar disorder and anxiety disorders...

Yes, my family is a bundle of fun.

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[info]bauhausfrau
2007-05-05 09:38 pm UTC (link)
Welcome to the club ;-)

I'm coming to think that my own problems may relate more to being a child of a parent with BPD than to aspergers, the two are remarkably close it seems. I read Surviving a Borderline Parent and it could have been written about me and my mother it was so close to home. If you have any question that a parent may have BPD I'd recommend reading more on the subject.

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[info]dreamingcanyon
2007-05-05 06:55 pm UTC (link)
Can you elaborate on which traits she described that sounded like those of children of BPD parents?

I ask because I also have a BPD parent, and have some traits like she described (but also have traits similar to things nearly everyone else on the community describes too, and have a family history like the commenter below me...).

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[info]bauhausfrau
2007-05-05 09:34 pm UTC (link)
Self injuring behavior, shyness, social phobia, difficulty with emotional or physical intimacy, fear of personal space invasion, little outward demonstration of emotion, noticing variations in speech and taking it as criticism, dreaminess - all of these things can also be difficulties that children of BPD parents have.

Other issues include poor memory, addictions, PSTD, and a host other things. If any of this rings true read some books on BPD, the clinical definition and the actual reality are a little different, you can get a clearer picture of whether this pertains to you by getting more information. One of the main differences between aspergers and kids of BPD parents is that the kids of BPD parents seem to be extra sensitive to what others are feeling as a defense mechanism for dealing with a parent who may become violent at any moment.

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[info]anisotrope
2007-05-05 07:18 pm UTC (link)
Huh. I am a child of a (rather extreme) BPD mother. I'm very interested in getting on the right corrective track for whatever is the cause for all of my difficulties. I've tried reading Understanding the Borderline Mother and will probably pick it up again, but right now I think I will check into the books you mention. Thank you for the titles.

I have no room to make any suggestions to the original poster or I would. Now that it's been brought up, I'd be very curious to know what [info]fosforos thinks of the suggestion.

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[info]bauhausfrau
2007-05-05 09:42 pm UTC (link)
I'm new to the idea myself but the more I read on the subject the more it resonates with me. Regardless there are still ASD issues for me given my father, husband and son are all aspies...

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[info]fosforos
2007-05-05 07:35 pm UTC (link)
Neither of my parents has BPD. They are quite balanced, though my father is quick-tempered. I also have lots of communication problems with him - it seems we are misunderstanding each other all the time, because our patterns of thinking are totally different.

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[info]kethar
2007-05-06 12:37 am UTC (link)
Interesting. Often my wife seems almost Aspie to me, but doesn't seem to have problems in communication with NTs. I just read the DSM-IV criteria for BPD, and they fit her mom fairly well, though so do some of the bipolar ones.

-ken-

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Hi!
[info]old_cutter_john
2007-05-05 05:41 pm UTC (link)
You sound like one of us, at least to me. Welcome to the community!

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[info]gydagwen
2007-05-05 09:24 pm UTC (link)
It seems like you have Asperger Syndrome to me. I can relate to a lot of what you said. Your issue with the letter Y was really interesting because it reminded me that I had the same sort of thing with the letter P wehre it starts a word. I avoided those words altogether. And I thought it was just me - I've never seen anyone else mention it!

Your bit on depression resonated too. I've put my recurring depression down to social difficulty. I always take it out on myself if I make big mistakes socially. I'm trying to be more easy-going about it all but it's difficult.

I don't know if it helps, but rest assured that someone else knows what you're going through.

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[info]dazed_girl
2007-05-05 09:32 pm UTC (link)
You could try taking the Aspie quiz here http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php

It's not a diagnostic tool, but it may give you some insight.

A lot of what you wrote, I can relate to.

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[info]fosforos
2007-05-06 07:43 am UTC (link)
Your Aspie score: 148 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 52 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

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[info]wom_bat_sky
2007-05-06 01:54 am UTC (link)
Some of my depressives reading indicates that attempts to control feelings exasperates the depression. The depressive state is also prone to be hyper interpretative of unexpected comments as criticisms/attacks.

Probably the main point about Aspieness is that it based on brain circuit differences from the NT population, which makes it harder to function related to the NT population.

In case you aren't sold on Aspieness, some of my reading on introverts indicates that their brains take longer to process things than extroverts, making it harder for introverts to function in an extrovert world.

In either case, since brain wiring is the base cause, there is no fix. The only approach I know of is to manage the results, probably by living with a different set of expectations than what the popular culture espouses and picking your life situations more carefully than most folks do.

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[info]bofh1459
2007-05-06 02:31 pm UTC (link)
The depressive state is also prone to be hyper interpretative of unexpected comments as criticisms/attacks.

Actually I might just as well say this is true for most "hightened" emotional states... for me this can be anything from being in love, to being on 40mg of dextroamphetamine.

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[info]wom_bat_sky
2007-05-07 12:45 am UTC (link)
I'm not convinced that I see this in most of my "heightened" emotional states (excepting anxiety), but I'll try to remember to watch for it.

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[info]ranka
2007-05-06 03:56 am UTC (link)
I also don't feel like a woman - I feel more like neutral-gendered, being "something-in-between." Yeah, I'm similar. Physically male, but I tend to feel like that's incidental, and that it wouldn't make a difference for me if I woke up one morning to find myself female. I'd say about 95% of the time, I feel gender-neutral. The other 5% of the time I feel like I should've been born female. But I don't think I've ever really felt male.

I learnt to drive a bike when I was 9 years old incidentally, the proper English term is "ride a bike". Although, "drive" is certainly far more logical, since you're actively controlling (and powering) the bike rather than passively riding.

but when I'm doing something I like (reading, in example), I tend to lose the track of time, and I'm completely absorbed to it. I get the same way. I'll look up in surprise to see that a good five, six hours or more have passed since I started whatever it is I was doing.

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[info]lordalfredhenry
2007-05-06 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like you have it.

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[info]uberwander25
2007-05-06 09:10 pm UTC (link)
You sound very much like an aspie

I can be hard to tell or not.
I have this problem myself.

Welcome to the community.

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