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Thursday, November 19th, 2009

Subject:Has this happen to anyone?
Posted by:bluebandanna.
Time:1:26 am.
Had you ever lost a friend just because you didn't agree with his/her opinions? Especially when it comes to slash? Well, this happened to me.

I vented my frustration over slash on my livejournal. Next thing I know, my so called "friend" started acting defensive, saying that I was bashing her friends. I felt she was being hypocritical and judgemental. Before she added how she didn't want to change my convictions, hence the hypocrisy. So, I snapped, telling her that I don't give a damn what her friends read or like because I don't even know them nor have I ever talked to them.

I was really hurt by her assumptions on me. I am an open-minded person and I don't care what a person reads. I stated in my rant that I didn't like obnoxious slash folk which she had seemed to have missed. What made things worse is that she didn't even bother to apologize for her rudeness despite that I have.

The rest of the story, well, is rather personal, but I kept having this inkling feeling that this incident is the primary reason for our miscommunication, since this is where it all started. She had shown to me that she is no better then the rude, obnoxious slash fangirls who simply get defensive and rude if you disagree with their opinion.

Has anyone shared a similar experiance?
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Thursday, November 5th, 2009

Subject:two subjects in one go.
Posted by:teigeki_calesa.
Time:11:38 pm.
Has anyone seen this? Simply epic.
"No we're not gay! We're not gay!" XD
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Never trust a fujoshi manga-ka/dojin-ka with a vintage anime. As shown by this guy who gets the worst reemagining ever.
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Saturday, October 24th, 2009

Subject:I hate myself for being so uptight.
Posted by:rushita_may.
Time:6:37 pm.
Mood: annoyed.
Music:Haul and Oates - Out Of Touch.
What do you guys think of the yaoi that is going on between real people? Say, your favourite band or something?

Long story short. I used to be a huge DBSK fan back in my Asian pop fandom days, however, I've always hated JaeHo. There were other pairings too, but that one was like... THE pairing. You type one of the member's names in Google images, and I promise you, you're bound to see all these PSed pics of them with other band members whether they're kissing, on top of each other, whatever.

So today I logged into Facebook and BAM! I see horror at the very top of the page. It a PSed pic with my favourite member (when I liked the band) having an intimate kiss with this other member.

Why... it's been one year. One FUCKING year I've avoided this shit and does it have to come back today as I was about to update my status that I had an awesome day?!


Oh, and don't get me started on the comments *facepalm*
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Tuesday, October 13th, 2009

Subject:My Yaoi Rant
Posted by:ladyscreamer.
Time:7:26 pm.
I'm kind of a newb here, but I'm glad there is a community that understands what I'm going through. I had issues with yaoi/slash for a long while. I had developed a minor tolerance for it, but still, I do believe that the obsession with yaoi/slash has gone a bit too far.

I was browsing through a Transformers fan's gallery and one person made a comment saying that all OCs are written badly and prefers Dinobot/Rattrap as opposed to female OC/Dinobot. Now, I understand that this is her opinion and everything, but the statement just...bugged me.

We all know that Mary-Sues are a pain in the butt, but that doesn't mean all of them are written badly. I had read very few OCs that are written by talented authors. Like in life, there is good along with the bad. I had read both good and bad Mary-Sues. I'm pretty pretty positive that yaoi/slash fanfiction will have the exact same thing. What makes yaoi any different from Mary-Sues? It's a statement that I stumble onto alot and yet the argument still doesn't make any sense.

Anime fandom is the worst, especially if you're a fan of Dragon Ball Z like I am. If I pair Piccolo with a female OC, chances are I'm going to recieve alot of complaints such as, "You can't pair him up with a girl! He's asexual" yet you never hear anyone complain about him being paired up with Gohan, Goku, Vegeta or other male characters in the series. Does anyone sense a bit of hypocrisy here? As I had stated in my last paragraph, pairing Piccolo with Gohan is no better then pairing him up with an OC. They're both the exact same thing!

I'm just sick and tired of fangirls going around stating that yaoi/slash is better then heterosexual even though it is not. The exact same argument is in the Transformers fandom as well.

Sometimes I wish that these people would realize that not everyone agrees with them and that we all write differently. Sadly, I doubt that will happen any time sooner.
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Saturday, September 19th, 2009

Subject:Wearing your slash goggles too tight can hurt your brain, guys.
Posted by:netbug009.
Time:11:15 pm.
Hey 9 Fandom?

We get it. There's only one confirmed female character. (The twins are up to interpretation according to Acker.) Of course the fandom is gonna be filled to the brim with yaoi. As much as I dislike the stuff, I'm used to it by now. I have been in so many fandoms with a big team of bff fighters and one female that I've lost count. Transformers fandom was the same way. It's gonna happen. Nothing I can do.

BUT.

Please stop gunking up the TV Tropes page with claims that there is yaoi subtext in the movie. Seriously, have you ever had close friends who live near you? Cause you can hug others and care about them in a totally non sexual manner.

And please stop acting like everybody likes the yaoi pairing you like while you're at it.

Guys? In general, you're quite a nice group of people, but you could stand to learn a little about the difference between personal fanon and what's actually canon. Please respect that not everybody agrees with you. The lack of that is making this fandom kind of hard for me to enjoy sometimes, which is a bummer, cause otherwise it's got a lot less problems than other fandoms I've been in.

Speaking of the twins being genderless earlier, If you want to explore the idea of the twins as different genders, sure, go for it. Nobody is saying you have to write them one way every time and stick with it. But saying "they're female! They must be!" for the sake of feminism/evening out the group and then turning back on it just to write yaoi is really kinda annoying. Somebody try writing them as male just for the heck of it already.

And honestly, would it kill people to write a little gen and/or friendship fic? I mean, I'm used to the majority of fic in fandom being romance, but come on, is that ALL we can write? *puppy dog eyes*

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Wednesday, September 16th, 2009

Posted by:allinye.
Time:5:15 pm.
So, after scrolling through my f-list and reading this one post, I just need to rant a little about a certain pet peeve of mine . . .

I try to respect other's opinions. I really do. But, I get annoyed with people who list heterosexual pairings as personal squicks. This is for a couple of reasons:

1.) If it was the other way around - with them listing same-sex pairings as a squick - you just know people would be stamping them as a homophobe. I'm sure many angry yaoi fangirls would have worse things to add to that as well. Yet, somehow, it is perfectly all right to be a heterophobe? Talk about double standard. I find it ironic how yaoi/slash fans are constantly arguing that "love is love and not about sex," yet I've come across plenty who disdain het (and I'm always curious about their own sexual preferences). Not all of the fans are like this, of course, and I understand how everyone has their preferences. However, isn't listing het as a squick (meaning it's something this person is grossed out by or uncomfortable with) a bit much? Disrespectful, even? I may not read yaoi and slash, but I wouldn't list same-sex pairings as a squick. I have nothing against them, and the idea doesn't even bother me (a straight girl).

2.) Honestly, this opinion just doesn't make much sense to me. The majority of the world is heterosexual: you see it all over T.V., movies, books, art, and any other form of media. It's everywhere. What does this person do? Hide in their room, surrounding themselves with only shounen-ai manga and independent gay films? What about their parents, relatives, and friends? Surely, some of them (at least) are straight. I truly hope this person doesn't cringe like a five-year-old when their straight friend kisses his or her significant other. If they have any straight friends, that is. If this person actually gets grossed out by het, then I can't imagine how they form friendships with heterosexuals. Perhaps that wasn't what said person meant; maybe it only pertained to fandom. Still, I can't help feeling that yaoi/slash fans like this are no better than all the homophobes of the world. Prejudice is not a one-way street.
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Tuesday, September 8th, 2009

Subject:I'll make it short; I'll make it simple
Posted by:teigeki_calesa.
Time:11:17 pm.
I'm hoping that I'm just jumping to conclusions and being overly paranoid that makes me think that it's the angry yaoi fangirls that are responsible for projecting Vic Mignona as an arrogant, self-righteous prick; and heaven forbid that they're the ones that spread the rumor that he slept with his fangirls. All because he refuses to feed their fantasies about the characters he voices, particularly Fay.

I am no fan of him, but please. Even if CLAMP says Fay's officially gay and Vic doesn't like it, that's his opinion. If you can't take it, fine; but don't take it out on him by doing such things. Again, I hope I'm wrong. VERY wrong. Because if I'm right, I weep for the future of humanity.
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Sunday, August 30th, 2009

Subject:What's wrong with some of these Yaoi Fans?
Posted by:damolisher.
Time:1:13 pm.
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Monday, July 13th, 2009

Subject:WHY O WHY MERLIN.
Posted by:rushita_may.
Time:10:01 pm.
Mood: annoyed.
Hello! Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm sorry, but I just have to rant it out...

So I've recently got addicted to the TV show Merlin, and I was reading the Merlin thread on this forum I usually go to. Everything was going well so far, peeking at spoilers here and there, reading everyone's response to the show until...

Someone just HAD to say "OMG, ARTHERXMERLIN FOREVER <33333333"

It just went downhill from there, and everyone else commented on how Merlin and Arther have great chemistry and should be together and so on. I just really hate how just because they're two friends who are the main characters of the show, it means they HAVE to be fucking each other up the assholes.

I felt a huge chunk of me died inside D:
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Sunday, April 12th, 2009

Subject:*_*
Posted by:sivretta.
Time:4:29 pm.
I love you ! 
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Saturday, January 24th, 2009

Subject:Ehm... me again?
Posted by:spangeldancing.
Time:2:28 am.
Mood: bouncy.

Since my first inquiry have been, thus far, well and politely received, I feel like I can brave another attempt at shedding some light over our differing views. Now, please keep in mind, it’s three in the morning and I’m tired. I’ve been tossing ideas for this post back and forth with a friend, who is just as tired as I am and our sense of humour tends to be a bit weird at this hour. I really and honestly don’t mean any offence with this post. I just felt this was an issue I wanted to address. I know I just posted, and I don’t mean to drown you in posts but I had the idea here and now and wanted to get it out before I forgot about it. I hope you can make any sense out of my ramblings.

 

Snotty, overworked, megahuge post with adult concepts under the cut. )
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Friday, January 23rd, 2009

Subject:Just for clarification
Posted by:spangeldancing.
Time:8:42 pm.
Mood: curious.

First of all I want you to know that I’m not here as a wounded yaoi- or slashfan. I lurk at fandom wank and I know how much fun it can be to laugh at fans, I laugh at myself frequently.  The questions I have springs from honest curiosity and nothing else. I joined here because I wanted to talk to you people and it would have made me feel dirty if I had created a whole new livejournal just to join. However, this means I will only be here until my questions have been answered and all discussions concluded (I will not run away, I promise). I don’t want you to see me as a troll, as long as I am here I will be open about it, but I’m not antiyaoi and therefore when I’m gone, I’ll be gone.

 

I have read yaoi... a lot of yaoi, but it’s been a while. Right now I’m reading twilight (which basically means that I’ve gone from the bad homosexual seme/uke lovin’ to the bad heterosexual dazzled girl/sparkling vampire lovin’) and there you have my taste level. My point here being, I get you, I really do. A lot of yaoi (and the small amount of yuri I’ve come across) is crap and the “rules” that make up the genre are often horrible and have nothing to do with homosexual relationships in general.

 

Now, finally, my question. In the userinfo it says that this community is anti yaoi and anti slash, and here is where I kind of lose the picture. Apart from reading twilight I also read fanfiction slash, have been for years. My interpretation, and the way it’s used in the communities where I find my stories, is that slash is a fanfiction term that, today, means homosexual pairings (most often between two males), no genre implied. It’s usually mentioned because the authors want to avoid flamers who will tell her or him that they’ll be burning in hell for making the characters gay.

 

But if you people aren’t anti gay what is it in slash that you have a problem with? Slash isn’t a genre; it’s merely an indication of a homosexual relationship being present in the story. If you have a different definition of slash here, then sorry (?), my bad. Will you please explain? If you mean slash in anime/manga fanfiction then I’m kind of back to getting you again, since they probably keep the seme/uke yhada going, if so please clarify. If not please explain because I simply do not understand.

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Tuesday, December 30th, 2008

Subject:Non-yaoi fan = Internet's scapegoat
Posted by:myrrhlynn.
Time:4:17 pm.
This is probably going to sound like a bit of a rant, but I'm pissed so I can't help it.  What is with yaoi/shounen-ai fans considering it a personal insult if you don't agree with them?  I'm sick of people finding out I don't like yaoi and then getting all pissy at me.  I mean, let's look at the facts:

1) Yaoi does not equal homosexual.  Because if you try to pretend that they do then by the same vein you could say shoujo = high school life, which would seriously suck as we would all be either beautiful and popular jerks, geeky class presidents, or somewhat ugly plucky people. 

2) Yaoi is a GENRE of anime/manga.  Why do so many people think it is an essential ingredient of life?  If all the yaoi anime/manga/fanworks went up in flames guess what? You wouldn't die!  Oh and if it did all burn that would probably not affect the homosexual agenda at all.  Chew on that one for awhile.

3)  Yaoi is not the best genre there is, and disliking it doesn't mean you are a horrible person with bad morals.  I mean  mecha is also a genre of anime/manga and if I didn't like it (which I don't so much) and then even if I announced that I did not like it in a somewhat obnxious manner I would not have people sending me hate mail or calling me a mecha-phobe, or people saying that i fear robots and electronics in real life (which I am conviced most idiots don't really know what "homophobe" means).   I also wouldn't have people saying things like " you should really watch ____ series, I mean I know it's a mecha show and you hate mecha but it's more then just mecha". Uh huh, cause I <i>believe</i> you.

4) Two guys being in the same artwork together does not mean they are a couple.  Even if they are looking at each other and are smiling!  And yes this applies to official art too!  It's like, omg in what universe if you are in a picture with a friend does that automatically mean you are going out?  

Why does not liking yaoi mean that people don't want to talk with you or be associated with you?  I mean if I started a mecha hate club, nobody would dislike me for it.  Yet I've had people who won't even link exchange with my free web graphics site because I refuse to include yaoi series and I link to an anti-yaoi site.  Who'se being the close minded one here? 

Which brings me back full circle. Why is it that yaoi fans think they are so much better then any other genre of fans and therefore if you don't agree with them, they have a right to be personally insulted?  I actually had someone tell me I was disrespecting her because I wouldn't post her Loveless wall on my site.  MY site.  Excuse me?!?  

**Disclaimer** I don't mean ALL yaoi fans as I have several friends that enjoy shounen-ai and I have met lots of polite yaoi fans, so I'm talking about the mean, stupid, rude yaoi fans here.
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Saturday, December 27th, 2008

Subject:Hetalia-- Slash with countries
Posted by:ameban.
Time:7:24 pm.
Mood:busy.
Music:Gothic Power.
Hi and Merry Xmas for everybody!

This post is about a new manga 4-Komas style (not all the stories) called "Hetalia", which is becoming really popular these days. Perhaps you know this already, but "Hetalia" is a manga whose characters are countries -mostly European- and their interaction with each other. And it's slash or at least, it's impliyed.

Now, the questions....

Have you thought how absurd is yaoi/slash then? Do they fans actually need make yaoi about *everything* , even countries? What's the next? Slash-food (something like the tomatoe and the potatoe made a love triangle with the carrot)?

However, what I see is another different matter.

Hetalia is, de facto, a satiric parody of Huma history and society. I mean, the countries, their personality and their interaction between then is just a satire of historical events.

For example: Italy, in order to befriend Germany, goes to bash Libia and Egipto.---> it's a historical fact.

But Slash fans are SO blidn they aren't able to see this. They keep saying "ooooh! Italy is so cuteee... he's in love of Germany!" or "I hate Russia because he is always bulling Lithuanian, Lethonian and Stonian".


Actually the idea of making satires with countries as characters is kinda funny, but I find people is too interested in slash here instead seeing the thruth in these stories. Oh, well...


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Friday, December 5th, 2008

Subject:Yaoi VS HetSmut
Posted by:fusakugyoku.
Time:7:37 pm.
So backstory: I read a lot of shoujo manga. There are a lot of titles I like, but I'll be the first to admit that most of it's vapid crap with flat characters and unoriginal plots. However, the ones that peeve me off that most tend to be the really smutty ones that run in Shoujo Comic-- not because it has sex (there are SOME good sexy shoujo manga, although they are few and far in between), but because the stories are generally decidedly worse that "typical" shoujo manga, assuming you don't count for stuff for elementary schoolgirls like in Ciao or Ribon magazine. Essentially they all run with a variation of the following plot-- plain girl who can't get a boyfriend is in love with the black haired and quiet, rich, and handsome class president; some disaster strikes and she runs out of money so the class president who secretly has a dark side demands to "buy her body" and rapes her, and the girl is furious but knows that she enjoyed it because it felt good and THERE IS LOVE BETWEEN THEM. There's just... never any variation (except maybe the president has a light-haired brother who's actually nice), the plot is ridiculous and utterly uncreative, the characters are all cardboard, and this whole "if you enjoyed the rape, it means you really love him" is an insult to rape victims. Shoujo Comic makes my blood boil-- and not just because they like to include illustrated how-to manuals on fellatio for middle school girls.

But then I realized something.

Bad shoujo rape manga is like a heterosexual version of TONS of yaoi.

A lot of fujoshi say that people who hate yaoi are all homophobes, with lines like "Why do you have no problem with This between men and women but not men and men? Considering gender in love is so narrow-minded!" etc etc, but... no, I don't want to see uninspired cheap rape-fantasy titillation between ANY sexes, thank you VERY much. It has NOTHING to do with it being homosexual-- which is why I can actually enjoy a lot of the non-sexual yuri that doesn't happen to have all this seme/uke crap and the foul pointless "rape is love" trope.

This is just my experience; I know a lot of people here probably won't share the same experiences as me. I guess my point is just that I despise "rape is love" stories and the same tired plotline, and yaoi has waaay too much of that, and that I don't think it's accurate to attribute hatred of yaoi to anything about homosexuality-- since REAL homosexuals do NOT act so disgustingly.

/$0.02
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Tuesday, October 21st, 2008

Subject:A perspective.
Posted by:shiadeu.
Time:10:27 am.
I feel good about the existence of the yaoi fangirls. They treat men like sex toys and lesser beings. It is amusing to see men being forced to take up the roles they once forced upon women. "Shut up and make yourself pretty for me." (Thankfully, there are some exceptions, and there is a little more equality between men and women these days.)


There is a shame and a loss to yaoi. In the end, it makes you brutally conscious of the low number of people (men and women both) who are capable of feeling love.


I don't get excited at all by yaoi arts fictions.

Yaoi just makes me laugh my ass off, when it has any effect at all on me. I would enjoy seeing a Sarkozy X Bush X Putin fiction! Or a portrayal of the great macho men of this world making a huge gay orgy.

I also find something to dislike in most of the yaoi fangirls I have encountered. Although they're painfully serious about portraying themselves as being emo, their works do not expose any deep or true sentiments. I tried asking a number of yaoi fangirls about why this is so. They either gave me lame answers or no answers at all.

The other point is when they use very good fictional characters, they give them the charisma of a used sock. They create a sort of blank model character with a few distinguishing features stuck on in a way that ends up making their adaptation of a personality as vacuous and ghastly as a latex sex doll. This shows me that the yaoists are not skilled in analyzing the characters they use.

Most of them have also proven to me that they are cowards. I've learned so from my experiences with them. Of course, most of people are cowards and need to feel supported before they will participate in any fight, whether they be yaoi fangirls or not.

I spent some time on the yaoi quarter of a manga shop in San Francisco. Encountering a number of yaoi fangirls face-to-face was interesting. They slunk away as I mocked them with some words about how a dick in the ass shows true love, and they didn't even take the time to check out the manga they had come to the shop to see!

Yaoi fangirls remind me of furries. They share many of the same malfunctions, and both groups exhibit stunted emotional maturity.
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Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008

Posted by:catwho.
Time:11:52 pm.
User cdefg1-9 has been banned from the community and reported to livejournal for abuse.

Really, guys. Animated cartoon buttsex doesn't scare me. Now Sarah Palin, that bitch scares me.

Edit: Requested an IP level perma ban from Livejournal. I think that the situation justifies the request.

Bad troll! No eljay for you!
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Subject:LOL WELCUM 2 ANTIYAOI WE CAN HAS MODS? NO WE CANTS!
Posted by:starsfell.
Time:9:23 pm.
Mood: excited.
Music:REAL GANGSTA ASS NIGGAS.
THESE MODS WE HAVE ARE AWESOME AREN'T THEY, HOLY FUCK THE MODS, WOW I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT OUR MODS YOU GUYS, MODS MODS MODS )

I mean seriously you guys can we just go ahead and delete the entries already or actually better yet lets just ban the user and keep the entries intact but under an lj-cut. You know I could do this in five minutes or less. Probably less, and I would go so far as to say that Jeff would be straight ballin' enough to help.

It's funny, I get it, oh how haha very silly of us to spam the antiyaoi comm with anal rape! We get it, though I hesitate to say that you get it, oh adorable posters. Most of us here like Yaoi, we hate fandom or in some capacity hate the stigma and stereotype of yaoi etc etc whatever.

My God, what a painfully bland trolling adventure. :[ I'm so disappointed.
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Monday, September 1st, 2008

Subject:You do know this right?
Posted by:kittycatneko3.
Time:7:18 pm.
Mood: cheerful.
Its not because of fanpairings in general that are the main cause of widespread yaoi fans.
There are yaoi shows out there...lots of em O.o .So dont blame the fans.Blame the creators that made it in the first place.

Here are a list of some of these yaoi anime:
Junjou Romantica,Sukisho,Gravitation,Loveless,Kyou Kara Maoh,Okane ga nai,Kirepapa,Papa to kiss in the Dark,Yami no matsuei,Uta Kata,Earthian and many more...

Besides that.Yes i can understand its uncomfortable for straight men out there to put up with seeing yaoi everywhere.They should try categorizing it more.Maybe there will be less complaints.Like make a yaoi section or something.

On the subject of cannon pairings.There are cannon yaoi pairings in non yaoi anime.Such as Peacemaker Kurogane,Get Backers,Ouran Host Club,Weiss Kreuz and Saint Seiya.

But you have to admit.This site is kind of double standards.We have had to put up with mens perverted ways for years!.So let us have our fun as you have yours.Lets all agree to disagree and watch our yaoi and yuri in peace.That sound good? ^-^
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Wednesday, August 20th, 2008

Subject:Ohohoho...
Posted by:m00kabear.
Time:2:50 pm.
Mood: contemplative.
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