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Hello! Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm sorry, but I just have to rant it out...
So I've recently got addicted to the TV show Merlin, and I was reading the Merlin thread on this forum I usually go to. Everything was going well so far, peeking at spoilers here and there, reading everyone's response to the show until...
Someone just HAD to say "OMG, ARTHERXMERLIN FOREVER <33333333"
It just went downhill from there, and everyone else commented on how Merlin and Arther have great chemistry and should be together and so on. I just really hate how just because they're two friends who are the main characters of the show, it means they HAVE to be fucking each other up the assholes.
I felt a huge chunk of me died inside D:
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Saturday, January 24th, 2009
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Since my first inquiry have been, thus far, well and politely received, I feel like I can brave another attempt at shedding some light over our differing views. Now, please keep in mind, it’s three in the morning and I’m tired. I’ve been tossing ideas for this post back and forth with a friend, who is just as tired as I am and our sense of humour tends to be a bit weird at this hour. I really and honestly don’t mean any offence with this post. I just felt this was an issue I wanted to address. I know I just posted, and I don’t mean to drown you in posts but I had the idea here and now and wanted to get it out before I forgot about it. I hope you can make any sense out of my ramblings. ( Snotty, overworked, megahuge post with adult concepts under the cut. )
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Friday, January 23rd, 2009
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First of all I want you to know that I’m not here as a wounded yaoi- or slashfan. I lurk at fandom wank and I know how much fun it can be to laugh at fans, I laugh at myself frequently. The questions I have springs from honest curiosity and nothing else. I joined here because I wanted to talk to you people and it would have made me feel dirty if I had created a whole new livejournal just to join. However, this means I will only be here until my questions have been answered and all discussions concluded (I will not run away, I promise). I don’t want you to see me as a troll, as long as I am here I will be open about it, but I’m not antiyaoi and therefore when I’m gone, I’ll be gone. I have read yaoi... a lot of yaoi, but it’s been a while. Right now I’m reading twilight (which basically means that I’ve gone from the bad homosexual seme/uke lovin’ to the bad heterosexual dazzled girl/sparkling vampire lovin’) and there you have my taste level. My point here being, I get you, I really do. A lot of yaoi (and the small amount of yuri I’ve come across) is crap and the “rules” that make up the genre are often horrible and have nothing to do with homosexual relationships in general. Now, finally, my question. In the userinfo it says that this community is anti yaoi and anti slash, and here is where I kind of lose the picture. Apart from reading twilight I also read fanfiction slash, have been for years. My interpretation, and the way it’s used in the communities where I find my stories, is that slash is a fanfiction term that, today, means homosexual pairings (most often between two males), no genre implied. It’s usually mentioned because the authors want to avoid flamers who will tell her or him that they’ll be burning in hell for making the characters gay. But if you people aren’t anti gay what is it in slash that you have a problem with? Slash isn’t a genre; it’s merely an indication of a homosexual relationship being present in the story. If you have a different definition of slash here, then sorry (?), my bad. Will you please explain? If you mean slash in anime/manga fanfiction then I’m kind of back to getting you again, since they probably keep the seme/uke yhada going, if so please clarify. If not please explain because I simply do not understand.
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Tuesday, December 30th, 2008
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This is probably going to sound like a bit of a rant, but I'm pissed so I can't help it. What is with yaoi/shounen-ai fans considering it a personal insult if you don't agree with them? I'm sick of people finding out I don't like yaoi and then getting all pissy at me. I mean, let's look at the facts:
1) Yaoi does not equal homosexual. Because if you try to pretend that they do then by the same vein you could say shoujo = high school life, which would seriously suck as we would all be either beautiful and popular jerks, geeky class presidents, or somewhat ugly plucky people.
2) Yaoi is a GENRE of anime/manga. Why do so many people think it is an essential ingredient of life? If all the yaoi anime/manga/fanworks went up in flames guess what? You wouldn't die! Oh and if it did all burn that would probably not affect the homosexual agenda at all. Chew on that one for awhile.
3) Yaoi is not the best genre there is, and disliking it doesn't mean you are a horrible person with bad morals. I mean mecha is also a genre of anime/manga and if I didn't like it (which I don't so much) and then even if I announced that I did not like it in a somewhat obnxious manner I would not have people sending me hate mail or calling me a mecha-phobe, or people saying that i fear robots and electronics in real life (which I am conviced most idiots don't really know what "homophobe" means). I also wouldn't have people saying things like " you should really watch ____ series, I mean I know it's a mecha show and you hate mecha but it's more then just mecha". Uh huh, cause I <i>believe</i> you.
4) Two guys being in the same artwork together does not mean they are a couple. Even if they are looking at each other and are smiling! And yes this applies to official art too! It's like, omg in what universe if you are in a picture with a friend does that automatically mean you are going out?
Why does not liking yaoi mean that people don't want to talk with you or be associated with you? I mean if I started a mecha hate club, nobody would dislike me for it. Yet I've had people who won't even link exchange with my free web graphics site because I refuse to include yaoi series and I link to an anti-yaoi site. Who'se being the close minded one here?
Which brings me back full circle. Why is it that yaoi fans think they are so much better then any other genre of fans and therefore if you don't agree with them, they have a right to be personally insulted? I actually had someone tell me I was disrespecting her because I wouldn't post her Loveless wall on my site. MY site. Excuse me?!?
**Disclaimer** I don't mean ALL yaoi fans as I have several friends that enjoy shounen-ai and I have met lots of polite yaoi fans, so I'm talking about the mean, stupid, rude yaoi fans here.
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Saturday, December 27th, 2008
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Hi and Merry Xmas for everybody!
This post is about a new manga 4-Komas style (not all the stories) called "Hetalia", which is becoming really popular these days. Perhaps you know this already, but "Hetalia" is a manga whose characters are countries -mostly European- and their interaction with each other. And it's slash or at least, it's impliyed.
Now, the questions....
Have you thought how absurd is yaoi/slash then? Do they fans actually need make yaoi about *everything* , even countries? What's the next? Slash-food (something like the tomatoe and the potatoe made a love triangle with the carrot)?
However, what I see is another different matter.
Hetalia is, de facto, a satiric parody of Huma history and society. I mean, the countries, their personality and their interaction between then is just a satire of historical events.
For example: Italy, in order to befriend Germany, goes to bash Libia and Egipto.---> it's a historical fact.
But Slash fans are SO blidn they aren't able to see this. They keep saying "ooooh! Italy is so cuteee... he's in love of Germany!" or "I hate Russia because he is always bulling Lithuanian, Lethonian and Stonian".
Actually the idea of making satires with countries as characters is kinda funny, but I find people is too interested in slash here instead seeing the thruth in these stories. Oh, well...
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Friday, December 5th, 2008
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So backstory: I read a lot of shoujo manga. There are a lot of titles I like, but I'll be the first to admit that most of it's vapid crap with flat characters and unoriginal plots. However, the ones that peeve me off that most tend to be the really smutty ones that run in Shoujo Comic-- not because it has sex (there are SOME good sexy shoujo manga, although they are few and far in between), but because the stories are generally decidedly worse that "typical" shoujo manga, assuming you don't count for stuff for elementary schoolgirls like in Ciao or Ribon magazine. Essentially they all run with a variation of the following plot-- plain girl who can't get a boyfriend is in love with the black haired and quiet, rich, and handsome class president; some disaster strikes and she runs out of money so the class president who secretly has a dark side demands to "buy her body" and rapes her, and the girl is furious but knows that she enjoyed it because it felt good and THERE IS LOVE BETWEEN THEM. There's just... never any variation (except maybe the president has a light-haired brother who's actually nice), the plot is ridiculous and utterly uncreative, the characters are all cardboard, and this whole "if you enjoyed the rape, it means you really love him" is an insult to rape victims. Shoujo Comic makes my blood boil-- and not just because they like to include illustrated how-to manuals on fellatio for middle school girls.
But then I realized something.
Bad shoujo rape manga is like a heterosexual version of TONS of yaoi.
A lot of fujoshi say that people who hate yaoi are all homophobes, with lines like "Why do you have no problem with This between men and women but not men and men? Considering gender in love is so narrow-minded!" etc etc, but... no, I don't want to see uninspired cheap rape-fantasy titillation between ANY sexes, thank you VERY much. It has NOTHING to do with it being homosexual-- which is why I can actually enjoy a lot of the non-sexual yuri that doesn't happen to have all this seme/uke crap and the foul pointless "rape is love" trope.
This is just my experience; I know a lot of people here probably won't share the same experiences as me. I guess my point is just that I despise "rape is love" stories and the same tired plotline, and yaoi has waaay too much of that, and that I don't think it's accurate to attribute hatred of yaoi to anything about homosexuality-- since REAL homosexuals do NOT act so disgustingly.
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Tuesday, October 21st, 2008
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I feel good about the existence of the yaoi fangirls. They treat men like sex toys and lesser beings. It is amusing to see men being forced to take up the roles they once forced upon women. "Shut up and make yourself pretty for me." (Thankfully, there are some exceptions, and there is a little more equality between men and women these days.)
There is a shame and a loss to yaoi. In the end, it makes you brutally conscious of the low number of people (men and women both) who are capable of feeling love.
I don't get excited at all by yaoi arts fictions.
Yaoi just makes me laugh my ass off, when it has any effect at all on me. I would enjoy seeing a Sarkozy X Bush X Putin fiction! Or a portrayal of the great macho men of this world making a huge gay orgy.
I also find something to dislike in most of the yaoi fangirls I have encountered. Although they're painfully serious about portraying themselves as being emo, their works do not expose any deep or true sentiments. I tried asking a number of yaoi fangirls about why this is so. They either gave me lame answers or no answers at all.
The other point is when they use very good fictional characters, they give them the charisma of a used sock. They create a sort of blank model character with a few distinguishing features stuck on in a way that ends up making their adaptation of a personality as vacuous and ghastly as a latex sex doll. This shows me that the yaoists are not skilled in analyzing the characters they use.
Most of them have also proven to me that they are cowards. I've learned so from my experiences with them. Of course, most of people are cowards and need to feel supported before they will participate in any fight, whether they be yaoi fangirls or not.
I spent some time on the yaoi quarter of a manga shop in San Francisco. Encountering a number of yaoi fangirls face-to-face was interesting. They slunk away as I mocked them with some words about how a dick in the ass shows true love, and they didn't even take the time to check out the manga they had come to the shop to see!
Yaoi fangirls remind me of furries. They share many of the same malfunctions, and both groups exhibit stunted emotional maturity.
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Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008
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| Posted by: | catwho. |
| Time: | 11:52 pm. |
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User cdefg1-9 has been banned from the community and reported to livejournal for abuse.
Really, guys. Animated cartoon buttsex doesn't scare me. Now Sarah Palin, that bitch scares me.
Edit: Requested an IP level perma ban from Livejournal. I think that the situation justifies the request.
Bad troll! No eljay for you!
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( THESE MODS WE HAVE ARE AWESOME AREN'T THEY, HOLY FUCK THE MODS, WOW I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT OUR MODS YOU GUYS, MODS MODS MODS )
I mean seriously you guys can we just go ahead and delete the entries already or actually better yet lets just ban the user and keep the entries intact but under an lj-cut. You know I could do this in five minutes or less. Probably less, and I would go so far as to say that Jeff would be straight ballin' enough to help.
It's funny, I get it, oh how haha very silly of us to spam the antiyaoi comm with anal rape! We get it, though I hesitate to say that you get it, oh adorable posters. Most of us here like Yaoi, we hate fandom or in some capacity hate the stigma and stereotype of yaoi etc etc whatever.
My God, what a painfully bland trolling adventure. :[ I'm so disappointed.
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Monday, September 1st, 2008
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Its not because of fanpairings in general that are the main cause of widespread yaoi fans.
There are yaoi shows out there...lots of em O.o .So dont blame the fans.Blame the creators that made it in the first place.
Here are a list of some of these yaoi anime:
Junjou Romantica,Sukisho,Gravitation,Loveless,Kyou Kara Maoh,Okane ga nai,Kirepapa,Papa to kiss in the Dark,Yami no matsuei,Uta Kata,Earthian and many more...
Besides that.Yes i can understand its uncomfortable for straight men out there to put up with seeing yaoi everywhere.They should try categorizing it more.Maybe there will be less complaints.Like make a yaoi section or something.
On the subject of cannon pairings.There are cannon yaoi pairings in non yaoi anime.Such as Peacemaker Kurogane,Get Backers,Ouran Host Club,Weiss Kreuz and Saint Seiya.
But you have to admit.This site is kind of double standards.We have had to put up with mens perverted ways for years!.So let us have our fun as you have yours.Lets all agree to disagree and watch our yaoi and yuri in peace.That sound good? ^-^
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Wednesday, August 20th, 2008
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Wednesday, August 13th, 2008
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Alright well. I recognize that this IS obviously anti-yaoi community and there's really not much reason I should be here since I am obviously... a yaoi fan. I saw the rule about reading the previous forty posts before defending yaoi... so, I cheated a little and only read 23 of them. My apologies if I have missed anything. I merely wanted to hear the opinions of some smarter anti-yaoi people ;]
So, I'm sure we all know what yaoi is. However, there are a variation of definitions of it. I mean, in Japan, yaoi has a different defintion than the popular one. The popular one appears to be basically... the pairing of two male characters in another anime. However, yaoi fans who are slightly more intelligent than the rabid twelve-year-old ones use the definition for any male couples, and not neccessarily in a smutty way. There's also 'boy Love' and 'shonen-ai', both which are used to describe 'gentler' yaoi with less smut.
I completely agree with everybody who says that some fangirls just take it a bit too far what with their pairings and etc. However, sometimes, you cannot blame them. Let's take Naruto for instance. As we all know, Sasuke and Naruto are a VERY popular pairing. People also don't think that they should be paired together because Sasuke often becomes the uke and we all know Sasuke is NOT uke material despite his troubled past and etc. However, there is.. blatant fanservice. I myself have not watched/read the whole series but I may know enough of it to make some sort of statement. Near the beginning, I believe there was an accidental kiss. It can be read as either humor or fanservice. Guess which ones the fangirls decide to take? As much as you unconsciously take it to be simple humor, they simply take it to be sign of homosexuality. Also, I believe that the mangaka of Naruto himself has drawn a doujin of Naruto and Sasuke. Now, I am not COMPLETELY sure on this but the person who I heard it from isn't unreliable. In Prince of Tennis, the end shot with Kikumaru's crotch in Eiji's face. Um... fanservice? Also, what do you EXPECT when you have them being called 'the Golden Pair'. Now I agree that some fics take it a bit far with them fornicating when they're still in junior high. However, there can be really sweet fics of them when they're grown up or just them having innocent kisses, etc. Vampire Knight, Shiki and Ichijou pairing. Shiki drinks Ichijou's blood. Probably fanservice.
Also, yaoi is also often used to describe a whole genre of male couples, including original stories. Not just fan-made things from other series'. Yaoi is supposed to mean that there's no plot, etc. However, what does one call things like... Crimson Spell by Ayano Yamane? Given, there is a lot of smut in it (practically every chapter but it does make things interesting) but there is equally as much plot. And also... guess what? Both the main characters look like MALES. I know! There's no 'chicks with dicks', surprisingly. Yamane's works are beautiful in that manner. And what about Nitta Youka with Winter Cicada? Heartwrenching.
Then you have Haruka Minami who... yes, writes the very typical yaoi with lots of sex and effeminate ukes. I don't deny that her drawings are still beautiful and she wrote Saihate no Kimi e which was surprisingly good for her.
So, yes, there IS indeed manga with homosexual pairings AND plot. Many fanworks also contain similar things, although you definitely have to sift through masses of shit to get to it. I totally understand that Cloud Strife is completely straight. Until somebody writes a beautiful fanfiction of how he, very slowly, falls in love with Vincent. I don't particularly ship this pairing but after that fanfiction (which I haven't found again...), I am thoroughly convinced that it is possible for Cloud to be gay. Oh, an there's also a lot more angst if you write yaoi. I mean, think of all the extra homosexual angst you get by them wondering why they're gay, facing their famillies, etc.
That, concludes my rant because it is indeed very late and I must finish my costume for an anime convention soon.
So, comment away and give me your opinions on yaoi now.
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| Posted by: | openexit. |
| Time: | 5:26 pm. |
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For the most part, I ignore yaoi. I severely dislike it and it really freaks me out. And so as not to start a flame war thing I keep my contempt pretty under the table. But this weekend while browsing through Deviant art I came across probably one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.
Transformers slash.
Now, I am not really into Transformers currently. But I can remember waking up early on Saturday mornings as a kid to watch that show. It's become a fond childhood memory and I really loved everything about it back then. So it's natural that I'm pretty protective of the show because it made my childhood a little more enjoyable. Stumbling across that digital monstrosity made me really throw a big WTF YOU CRAZY LOON fit. First of all it was like defecating on my childhood nostalgia, ruining all those lovely memories by drawing two robotic figures furiously making out. Second of all, they're freakin' robots people! They don't HAVE a gender, they don't need them! Plus, they were Decepticons, Decepticons don't have feelings, much less sexual ones! D: Thirdly people were commenting on how "hawt" the picture was. What kind of person are you to be turned on by robots?! I mean that's just sick.
I don't get it at all.
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Monday, August 11th, 2008
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My frist post in quite a while....
Is anybody familarized with the "Encyclopedia dramatica"? Apparentely it could be closed soon, so they're asking for donations. Anyway, this encyclopiedia is another of those "Wikishpedias" that blosson around everywhere. Its articles can be both, amusing and insolent.
Well, the fact is being myself a Transfan, I've looked for the Transformers entry in this website, and this is what I've found....
At first it's another parody article, just another one as other many in the net. HOWEVER I've found mostly of the parodies on this entry are focused on how the fandom works. Just look at the first description is made about TF: "The Transformers are a bunch of robots that have become the victims of bad fan fiction, Mary Sue and slash fictions over the past 24 years."
But it isn't only that. In the entry there is a bunch of Transfans who actually happen to be quite popular in the fandom. It surprised me all right.
I'm not going to discuss if it's against people or not, but the fact is a website like that has a full article about how slash-yaoi works in a fandom. I don't know if being bemused or amused about that.
---But it isn't only that.
I didn' t know till I read on this website, but apparentely there is a </a></b></a>![[info]](http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/community.gif) hitlerslash comunity.
I never thought such place could be exist. -____-
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Wednesday, August 6th, 2008
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Yes. Apparently, I have met a rabid fangirl who can still spell legibly but still be utterly illogical.
No websites mentioned (unless you REALLY want to know), but these are the characters: a prince, his effeminate assistant who has a crossdressing fetish, and a sheltered loli Empress. If you do know what I'm talking about, beware. I'm out to destroy a popular fansub/blogging site...sort of.
( I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but... )
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So, the WALL-E fandom has been discussing this, and some latched onto it.
.......Do I really have to say anymore?
Yes, yes I do.
Why is it bad in fandom these days for something to just be het? It's so incredibly hypocritical, seeing how a lot of times yaoi fandom calls US closed minded and act like they're the minority.
1. The names are clearly male and female.
2. The books clearly refer to them as he and she.
3. "He's a guy and she's a girl and he just falls completely in love with her." = quote from Andrew Stanton himself, and if you don't believe him, you've got a problem.
I know the fandom knows this stuff, and I'm really sick of seeing fandoms play dumb to try and get their slash in. Is somebody being strait really that bad?
Seriously guys, can we just leave this one thing alone? This one pairing I care about deeply? This one movie I love from the bottom of my heart like I've never loved a movie before? I guess not.
And now, to help in the hope that this dies off without a rush of fan fiction, I'm gonna let it go and go write some WALLEVE fluff or something.
tl;dr = Attempt at twisting WALL-E canon for yaoi = FAIL.
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This is one thing that has been lingering on my mind as I was pondering over my participation in a certain fandom for now for this certain Canadian cartoon.
According to the info on this show on its broadcaster's(Teletoon) site, the target audience is supposed to be kids aged 9-12, but apparently, its most active fans on the net are teenaged and 20something girls, myself included. So I get a whole lot of "OMG he's so kyoooot" and other kinds of (sometimes) incoherent fangirl babbling, but something's just missing. Oh yes, the "they are so boning each other behind the trees and those who disagree is a homophobe" we all know. In fact, it's sorely lacking in that. Not to say that there isn't any slash; we know it's everywhere, even, here. BUT, any amount of slashy fanwork/talk about it is surprisingly and hugely outnumbered by het, and *gasp!* gen fics. It doesn't seem right; five cute guys and two girls? The boys will be slashed to death and the girls will be bashed to no end/conveniently erased! But nooooo. In the Pit alone, you have to do a thorough search just to get something related to slash just as you would need to do a thorough search in say, the Naruto and FMA, sections just to get something that isn't related to slash. DevArt? Found only one, and it isn't even very provocative. The rest are het and gen. HET and GEN. And weirdest of all, no intolerably obnoxious and/or condescending fanbrats to ruin my day, at least those whom I've encountered so far. It just can't be obscurity; slashers will do in almost anything and everything in sight, and I'd expect that this being a Greek mythos based show, the "Ancient Greeks are the first yaoi fans of history" thing will be used as an excuse. Even the canon pairings aren't supposed to stop them, right? This isn't right, there SHOULD be slash! There should be obnoxious fangirls and arrogant shenanigans ruining my day!....not.
The only other reasons I can think of are:
--the potential slashers are turned off by the story, that may not be appealing to their tastes *teens chosen to save the world from evil god! Boring! Crap!* This may also been the case for why there hasn't been anyone in there that I've encountered to have obnoxious behavior.
--most slashers are from the anime/manga based fandom *coughJapanophiliacough* that they won't dare touch this show no matter how cute the guys are. But then again, there's HP and LOTR.
--the five main boys are *gasp again!* deemed non-slashable, even the one guy that um, acts queer. The said guy's mainly the one involved in the(teensy bit of)slash as expected; but it may also be that the said guy is too self-absorbed to make the vandalization worth it.
But I don't think that matters now, as this show recently ended its run in Canada, rendering its fandom inactive--in boards at least, but not in fanworks. Then again, there has been word of a US airing being pushed, which brings me back to my first question; which may be a good thing for the show's popularity but not for its fandom; since a lot of American yaoi/slash fans have a reputation for being the frontrunner in slash fanwork and obnoxious behavior, the last being my problem with the American anime fandom in general.
(For the last one, I hope no American takes offense. Just an honest observation.)
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Wednesday, July 9th, 2008
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Hi, i have listen of this community in another one where a girl was talking about how much dislikes Yaoi/Shounen-Ai in Saint Seiya. And i have discover this community, so that's why i have joined.
Anyone here dislikes Saint Seiya Yaoi?
I think it's disgusting and it's senseless, it's a shounen which friendship, courage, hope, faith are the main subjects but girlyfans just only see yaoiness in that, i just say to them that Stop making yaoi things who are not by a mile yaoi, like Saint Seiya.
What i hate the most is what they made to the Camus/Milo paring, they make Camus completely as a woman! they steal his real personality from Anime/Manga version, the personality Kurumada has given him, i can't really stand that, and what's going on with the red nails? i think it's stupid and absolutely nonsense
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