vesi_y ([info]vesi_y) wrote in [info]antishurtugal,
@ 2008-11-18 13:50:00
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Twilight versus Inheritance
So, which is worse? Inheritance or Twilight?


I personally think Twilight is so much worse it makes the adventures of Wonderboy look like the pinnacle of epic high fantasy. I mean, at least Eragon doesn't wax about Arya's eyebrows every few sentences. And Paolini still has the chance to subvert the whole thing by having Galby win or something. And Inheritance's whole plot isn't "Eragon and Arya get together (and have a perfect life for all eternity)". And, hum, at least the naked hippie elves don't sparkle.

So, even though Inheritance Cycle is bad, it's not the worst piece of shit available at your nearest bookstore?


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[info]mranon_y_mous
2008-11-18 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Well, at least there aren't fangirls and fanbois that think Eragon is the best fantasy novel since mythology its self came to be unlike Twilets's fangirls who think the series is better than Harry Potter because it's more "mature, sexy, and deeper, he he". Also, I don't think anyone thinks Arya the perfect dream woman that all Twilets play Edward to be.

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[info]reverie_shadow
2008-11-18 12:25 pm UTC (link)
No, I would say that given the amount of fail we have seen at the bookstore, it's not really all that bad.

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[info]authoressarktos
2008-11-18 12:33 pm UTC (link)
Eragon is worse. At least Meyer is more subtle about her preaching (har har...).

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[info]lenka0602
2008-11-18 01:51 pm UTC (link)
i have to say Twilight is much worse. If you turn off your brain, Eragon can sometimes be bearable to read but Twilight...thats a whole another story. Oh sorry, there isnt a story in Twilight

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[info]bubonicwoodchuk
2008-11-18 07:09 pm UTC (link)
I'd have to say Eragon is the lesser evil as well. The fandom isn't nearly as large, for one thing, and infinitely less annoying in comparison.

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[info]dinogrrl
2008-11-18 07:16 pm UTC (link)
I think they're equally bad, but in different ways.

Eragon is poorly-written fanfic with a horribly Gary-stuish self-insert as the main character.

Twilight is poorly-written (admittedly, not as poorly-written as Eragon) vampire romance drivel with a horribly Mary-Suish self-insert as the main character.

In the grand scheme of things, neither will be remembered in ten or twenty years, but I do think Twilight just edges ahead as the worse of the two.

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[info]autobotmosquito
2008-11-18 08:36 pm UTC (link)
I say that Twilight's worse. I never heard as much about Eragon as I am about Twilight, and at least the only sparklers in Eragon have scales.

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[info]torylltales
2008-11-18 09:01 pm UTC (link)
On an unrelated note, I've been searching for that list of Old Norse words that Paolini borrowed from-- I found one and wanted to see if it was included or not. For some reason though, I can't find it anywhere.

You know that spell, 'waise heill', to heal a wound? That's derived directly from the Old English felicitation (usually made as a toast before drinking, as I understand it) 'wæs hæil' (meaning 'be healthy', from which we also get 'health', 'hail' and 'wassail'. I hadn't heard this bit before, so I wondered if the list had included it or not.

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[info]abyssal_witch
2008-11-19 12:47 am UTC (link)
Are you serious? I use that one to toast my friends on high holidays...so tell me, do the people they heal respond "Drink hael"?

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[info]torylltales
2008-11-19 05:54 am UTC (link)
not that I know of, as 'drink' isn't an Old English word (well, derived from drincan or Proto-Germanic drangkan, but that had less of a meaning 'to imbibe' so much as 'to swallow up' or 'engulf'.

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[info]abyssal_witch
2008-11-19 12:36 pm UTC (link)
Good to know. Thanks.

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[info]torylltales
2008-11-20 02:38 am UTC (link)
www.etymonline.com is brilliant.

Funny how one can't find any permutation of 'brisingr' relating to fire or flames or bonfires, despite Paolini's confident assertion that it is an exact translation of an Old Norse word that is still in use today.

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[info]easol
2008-11-29 10:12 pm UTC (link)
He claimed it was the name of the goddess Freya's necklace. That was "Brisingamen..."

Biiiiiiiig miss.

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[info]chaosakita
2008-11-18 09:16 pm UTC (link)
I think Twilight is a lot worse - I could actually read Eragon.

However, I do think that anti-Twilight people are worse than the anti-Shurguals.

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[info]elenielstorm
2008-11-18 10:32 pm UTC (link)
That's like asking which is worse: a punch in the face or a kick in the ribs?

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[info]xlickety_splitx
2008-11-18 10:49 pm UTC (link)
I used to think that Eragon was the worst book I'd ever read. Twilight proved me wrong.

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[info]ammy_san
2008-11-18 11:41 pm UTC (link)
Honestly, I think Twilight is worse. Eragon at least has a plot (an incredibly derivative one) while Twilight is just hundreds of pages of nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Also, the Twilight fandom is just one big reason to hate the series. I mention how I dislike it they explode, while Eragon fans are more likely to shrug and admit its flaws (especially Eldest.)

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[info]4eversleeping
2008-11-19 12:01 am UTC (link)
Twilight is worse in the sense of how it affects its fandom. Paolini's writing is a lot choppier, but the Eragon fans are not violent like the Twihards.

I'll also toss in the fact that Twilight is focused toward girls while Eragon could go both ways in many cases...

ONE LAST THING: SHIT HAPPENS IN ERAGON! Nothing at all happens in Twilight save for Bella and Edward's epic saga of a romance (Is drowning in own sarcasm)

Ok, I'm done...

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Hiya, Icon-twin!
[info]sabonasi
2008-11-19 01:43 am UTC (link)
What makes you say that Eragon could go both ways? The first book (all I've read) struck me very much as a male-centered power fantasy. (I haven't read Twilight, so I can't comment there.)

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Re: Hiya, Icon-twin!
[info]4eversleeping
2008-11-19 01:45 am UTC (link)
(High-fives) Well guys are really off-put by romance and it is also a dead end for them socially. Girls are encouraged more to try guy stuff than vice versa. Also, generic fantasy tends to have a wide audience than romance.

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Re: Hiya, Icon-twin!
[info]sabonasi
2008-11-20 12:12 am UTC (link)
*nods* I see what you're saying. Doesn't make it any less male-centric really, there's just merely the assumption that everyone should be content with male-centric.

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Re: Hiya, Icon-twin!
[info]4eversleeping
2008-11-21 12:08 am UTC (link)
True, very true.

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Male-centered
[info]kevias
2008-11-19 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Let's face it: most authors, when putting a cast together, choose males for the vast majority of the roles. Most men don't imagine women as being strong and powerful without also imagining them as being desirable. So the female characters, however cool, almost always either die or get married off.

Eragon at least as Nasuada and Angela, who are neither love interests nor seductresses, as semi-main characters, so the gender imbalance isn't as bad as in, say, The Lord of the Rings.

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Re: Low Standards
[info]sabonasi
2008-11-20 12:19 am UTC (link)
I know what you're saying, but that doesn't change the fact that Eragon is very male-centric. (Haven't read Eldest or Brisingr.) Just because it could be even more male-centric doesn't change the fact that it's male-centric.

Please note that I'm not, at the moment, placing any value judgment on the male-centric nature of the story, merely contesting 4eversleeping's remark that Twilight is focused toward girls whereas Eragon could go both ways; my point being that Eragon is just as male-centric as I understand Twilight to be female-centric, even if male-centric is irritatingly often considered default.

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Re: Low Standards
[info]kevias
2008-11-22 06:56 am UTC (link)
Low Standards? Yes, indeed. I guess my point was that Inheritance contained at least some (though by no means enough) important non-romantic women. Of course, none of them have any real impact until the second, and (especially) the third book. So I can't argue that Eragon is very male-centered. The only major female characters introduced are Arya, Angela, and Saphira, of whom one is a princes in need of rescue, one is crazy, and one is totally submissive. Arya's fighting and magic skills are used in the usual male-centered way: to establish her as a desirable object for our hero to acquire. Saphira, similarly, is little more than a cool ride and deus ex machina generator.

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[info]hpwizzzard
2008-11-19 12:32 am UTC (link)
Plot wise, Twilight is way worse (NOTHING EVER HAPPENS!) though at least not plagerised. Writing-wise, Paolini is about a thousand times worse than Meyer. Her sentences aren't choked with unreadable arcahic prose, and she does have some potential- "The Host" didn't suck.

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[info]abyssal_witch
2008-11-19 12:50 am UTC (link)
At the same time, dull, modern prose isn't half so fun to poke at with a stick. So really, Meyers gives you nothing, plot-wise or writing-wise. Paolini gives you twice the sarcastic outlet!

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[info]scapegoat_723
2008-11-19 01:09 am UTC (link)
Shit, they both suck at such an incredible level, I don't think I can choose.

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[info]meghan_rachelle
2008-11-19 01:55 am UTC (link)
That's like comparing apples to oranges. They're both bad, but for different reasons.

Twilight: Lacks plot and has the uber-scary fangirls. Also has (mostly) grammatically correct prose, even if all it talks about is the godliness of Edward.

Inheritance: Insanely derivative and nonsensical plot, but it does actually HAVE a plot. Terrible, unreadable prose, and info-dumps, like whoah.

They're both Sue-filled, anti-feminist, trite, and preachy. But given that writing ability counts more for me than whether or not I like the themes in the novel, I'd rather read Twilight. At the same time, Inheritance actually TRIES to be literary and thoughtful, so it definitely gets points that Twilight will never have.

Meh, they both suck.

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[info]razzek
2008-11-19 02:14 am UTC (link)
Yeah, Twilight beats Inheritance in badness. Paolini is pretty much just a sheltered kid. Meyer is a grown woman. No one her age should be thinking stuff like that. It's damn creepy, I say!

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[info]mistyeyedreamer
2008-11-19 03:48 am UTC (link)
Honestly, I would have said Inheritance until I read Breaking Dawn. How many pages of no plot, demon exorcist babies/SUPER SPARKLY UBER CHILDREN!!!, and 'epic' love story can you get through before you want to puke? The only reason I remember events from the book is because of a sporking I read.

And everybody in my art class except for me, another girl, and a guy friend is obsessed with it. And thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's painful.

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[info]kevias
2008-11-19 09:40 am UTC (link)
Now, I haven't read Twilight, but from what I gather, it's a love story between Mary Sue and Some Vampire. I have to wonder how a being who has superpowers like changing form and mind control can fall in love with someone who's (probably) a tenth his age and looks like food. I'm just not seeing it.

Also, I have a strong dislike for Romance novels. True Love at first sight, ugh. I can see why people would call it "mature" and "adult", as it contains more (or maybe total) focus on the two lovers.

Inheritance seems to have a lot more going on. Whereas it's just about impossible to come up with any new or refreshing perspectives or ideas in the Romance genre, with Fantasy it happens all the time. Or at least it could. You know what I mean. There's more doubt. There's more tension. With a Romance you know who's going to end up with whom and that they're going to live happily ever after, like it or not. Paolini could wind up Inheritance by having Saphira transform into a human and marry Eragon, or having Galby fry the world, or slaughtering the entire cast. There's just so much more room for creativity.

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[info]mranon_y_mous
2008-11-19 03:41 pm UTC (link)
Twilight is also a Mormon's sex fantasy, I'm not making this up. Meyers actually said that Twilight came to her in a dream. Ew.

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[info]lenka0602
2008-11-22 10:11 am UTC (link)
Mormon sex fantasy. NOW ive heard it all

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[info]transmutable
2008-11-21 04:46 pm UTC (link)
Twilight, because while reading Eragon will eventually lead you to better fantasy literature, like ASoIaF, reading Twilight will just lead you into unrealistic expectations about the opposite sex, vampires, and stalking as a healthy relationship.

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[info]idrach
2008-11-30 12:28 am UTC (link)
I think they're nearly equal in terms of quality, but I give Twilight a slight edge because the gender dynamics in it are so messed up. Neither Angela nor Nasuada base their identities around men.

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[info]darth_gojira
2008-12-02 11:32 pm UTC (link)
I think Twilight is worse, simply because it's more popular and for shallower reasons. Most people realize that Eragon is overly derivative, dull, pretentious tripe, but Twilight just seems to be more popular.
And while both fandoms rely on the perfection of the psychopathic main character, the adoration of Eddie the schmuck is the lynchpin of the phenomenon. The lust-object in Inheritance is just as poorly written and shallow, but since she's not the driving force behind the plot and the phenomenon, it's not nearly as vital in the derailing of the series.

At least Paolini is ripping off actually good things and making you want to go see Star Wars again. Meyer has absolutely no respect for the mythology and just makes you want to throw up. Paopao is simply clueless, a simpleton from a bad household, while Stepphie seems willfully ignorant.

In the end, I'd go with swallowing an echidna as the most preferable.

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[info]ponchomoron
2008-12-17 10:40 am UTC (link)
I reckon Twilight is much worse.
I mean, the Inheritance Cycle may be crappy books, but at least they have some lulzy value. And it doesn't focus solely on the romance of two majorly Sue-y characters. I can read the Inheritance Cycle because it's fun to laugh at. Twilight, on the other hand... is just dull.

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