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[info]shortynicolie wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2004 01:49 pm (UTC)
I want one!
[info]bull wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2004 01:51 pm (UTC)
I could do without that flag...
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2004 01:55 pm (UTC)
yeah im sure a lot of people would to.... the national socialists highly didn't believe in feminism... these are just a few women that still believe in the national socialist ways of life :) though there shirts are so sexy :)
[info]earthlingmike wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2004 11:25 am (UTC)
The Nazis didn't believe in feminism -ironic.
[info]fw_blinky wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2004 02:31 pm (UTC)
I would love that! *mwah*
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2004 02:48 pm (UTC)
haha awesome icon! :P
[info]shortynicolie wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2004 03:12 pm (UTC)
It is indeed.
[info]dzzygirl wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2004 09:13 pm (UTC)
Wow. Is it just me or does is this community beginning to wallow in ignorance?

Yuck.

~Mariann
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 13th, 2004 02:44 am (UTC)
explain to me how its becoming to be ignorant?
[info]dzzygirl wrote:
Aug. 15th, 2004 12:24 pm (UTC)
explain to me how its becoming to be ignorant?

It's becoming to be ignorant (>.<) because this is a place to intelligently critique feminism. I see no intelligent critiquing.

~Mariann
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 12:21 am (UTC)
go complain to the members who took it into their own hands to critique the Nazi symbol behind the two females wearing Anti-Feminists shirts... the post was strictly to critique the shirts...not the political symbol in the background.

good day.
[info]njyoder wrote:
Aug. 14th, 2004 06:08 am (UTC)
Yeah, what's up with the disproportionate amount of Nazis here? Apparently a lot of these Nazis (ooops, national socialists) are purporting to not be the "bad kind." Here's a nice quote from [info]pretty_dictator's (a Nazi I came across) user profile:

"I feel very strongly about my beliefs and political affiliation, and detest the "ignorant neo-nazi" label which is so often placed upon me. Yes, I am a National Socialist, and yes, I am proud; but I do not fit the stereotype. Keep that in mind?"

I could be mistaken here, but if you were really just following a political philosophy and nothing more, why would you then proceed to collect all kinds of Nazi paraphernalia, read Nazi literature, use Nazi symbols, quote racist Nazis in agreement and praise Hitler?

Anyway, the mod really should be regulating this shit out of here, this is [info]anti_feminism not [info]nazi_regime.
[info]ukdollars wrote:
Aug. 14th, 2004 03:48 pm (UTC)
I completely agree, I don't want to affiliate with this sort of thing. Being against feminism as outlined in the community info does not necessitate extreme views. This is flamebait and it doesn't contribute anything intelligent.
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 14th, 2004 04:55 pm (UTC)
maybe you're not aware that anti-feminism is a high belief in National Socialism...

you must not understand the quote from her profile do you?

not all National Socialists believe the same things.. one of them being racist... I'm not sure what [info]pretty_dictator's beliefs are towards racism so I can't speak for her... but as for me I'm not a racist National Socialist like society is stereotypically told about Nazis.

whats wrong with collecting fellow National Socialists paraphernalia? Some of the literature and racism might not be accepted by all National Socialists.. It really depends on what kind of National Socialist you are and what you believe in... not all are the same.
[info]njyoder wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 11:33 pm (UTC)
Maybe you're not aware, but anti-feminism is not a National "Socialism." The term anti-feminism encompasses a broad range of contradicting political philosophies.

And I don't understand the quotes?

*"I didn't say that the Jews are inferior. I didn't even maintain they are a race. I merely saw that the mixture of different cultures didn't work."
-Alfred Rosenberg

Damn those Jews for trying to be a part of German culture!

*"Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong."
-Adolf Hitler

That's right, the winner is the right one. If you can manage to commit genocide and get away with it, it's a-okay. Slavery is ok too as long as you can get away with it. This quote actually shows Hitler as being wrong since he lost. And by extension, since Hitler had a "national socialist" government that failed, it is also wrong. It's rather ironic she would quote that.

And why the hell would you collect Nazi paraphernalia in appreciation of it? In case you didn't know, that swastika stands for bigotry and genocide NOT national socialism. Also, I'd like to see some national socialist literature that isn't racist.

Maybe you can answer me this too, why is a political philosophy called national socialism anti-socialist?
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 17th, 2004 03:28 am (UTC)
It's impossible getting your type to understand anything so I won't bother answering your incompetent statements and questions... I have more important things to occupy my time with.
[info]dakonravencroft wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 12:56 pm (UTC)
"Your type"? Hmmm, that doesn't sound like Nazi elitism to me. What exactly do you mean "your type"? Are you implying that once someone stomps your ass in a discussion, they suddenly become beasts? Now I don't have a problem with someone that claims to be a National Socialist, but then you try and justify your ideals on that alone. Do yourself a favor and grow a spine. All you keep doing is trying to justify yourself by saying "well, national socialism does this so I do it too" Kind of like Nuremberg. And don't try and say I'm one of "his" kind because here's a little thing, we're all one species and race, ever wonder why we refer to ourselves as the "human" race? I'll bet you didn't. And why do you promote Nazi_Regime (quite a nice community, member of it myself) when it has NOTHING to do with anti-feminism?
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 06:25 pm (UTC)
chill johnny boy...
"your type" is referring to a group of people with the same beliefs that have been forced into them...

All you keep doing is trying to justify yourself by saying "well, national socialism does this so I do it too"

You honestly don't know how pointless it is to try and explain National Socialism beliefs to "sheep" people do you? Plus I'm not even taking you serious because from the post you made in [info]nazi_regime about not even knowing hardly anything about National Socialism why should I feel your opinions mean anything to me?

Anti-Feminism is an attribute belief of Neo-National Socialists... Back in Nazi Germany women didn't think of themselves as anti-feminists.. but more as true women... Believed in doing what women have done since the beginning of time... I'm sure you know what duties those are. Only Nazi Germany History researchers would know this about the Women of the 3rd Reich.

we're all one species and race, ever wonder why we refer to ourselves as the "human" race? I'll bet you didn't.

Hmmm whos brainwashed you into thinking the Human Species are one full race? Your TV? Your censored school books? Your Newspaper? Humanity is a type of mammal species... not a race. If we were one race then everyone would have similar physical body attributes... There are many different human races.. I bet you didn't know that.... and NO we're not all created equal!

And why do you promote Nazi_Regime (quite a nice community, member of it myself) when it has NOTHING to do with anti-feminism?

It has a lot to do with anti-feminism... try reading a book about "Women of the 3rd Reich" sometime... you'll notice similar anti-feminist characteristics.
[info]dakonravencroft wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 06:44 pm (UTC)
Re: chill johnny boy...
Sheep people hmm? And what makes you think that? Just because I disagree with you automatically makes me a sheep because i don't think like you do. And as for the Nazi regime comment, I said I didn't know much HISTORY about the Nazis but I do know of their beilefs. And I was not "brainwashed" as you believe I was. If i was brainwashed, I would be sitting here babbling about how great the bible and MTV is, which they aren't. And who's to say you weren't brainwashed yourself? You seem a more likely canidate than myself. As for my "censored school books, I don't pay attention BECAUSE they omit plenty of important events in history. And I don't read the newspaper, too slanted in views. Oh, and I believe the human race/species is one because I choose to, not because I was told to.
[info]shortynicolie wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2004 09:50 pm (UTC)
Shut up.
[info]dakonravencroft wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 12:56 pm (UTC)
Good job.
Way to hand her ass to her.
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 06:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Good job.
So cute haha..
[info]dzzygirl wrote:
Aug. 15th, 2004 12:10 pm (UTC)
LOL. That reminds me of the white pride communities that have Hitler and violence under their lists of interests, and yet they're not racist assholes, they're just proud of being white. -_-

I agree that the mod should be regulating this a bit more. Everyone deserves to say their piece, but its posts like that that give feminists a reason to bitch about us.

~Mariann
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 12:24 am (UTC)
not all people who have pride in being White are racist... remember that ok?
[info]dzzygirl wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2004 10:00 pm (UTC)
Um, when did I say having white pride was racist? Read it again.

~Mariann
[info]ukdollars wrote:
Aug. 14th, 2004 03:52 pm (UTC)
At the very least you could photoshop an American flag behind the girls instead of the Nazi one. Have some respect for the other members of the community who have less extreme views.
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 14th, 2004 04:09 pm (UTC)
For the cry babies....
the whole point was there shirts... doesn't have anything to do with their political beliefs!

quit being an immature little child...and have some respect for national socialists.. there human as well.

[info]dakonravencroft wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 01:01 pm (UTC)
Re: For the cry babies....
Yeha national socialists are human too but if they all act like you with their elitism views, then why the hell should we?

"the whole point was there shirts... doesn't have anything to do with their political beliefs!"

Wow, I could have sworn anti-feminism is a form of a political belief. And what would happen if there was a member of this community that was Jewish? Oh wait, you would hunt him down and toss him in an oven. And I don't give a shit whether ornot you would do that because that's the attitude you're giving all of us.
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 07:49 pm (UTC)
Re: For the cry babies....
Me an elitist? I hate elitism... I don't know where you get off assuming I have elitist views... I must admit yes some National Socialists are very organized individuals and sometimes maybe seem to come off as elitists because of their sense for perfection.

And what would happen if there was a member of this community that was Jewish? Oh wait, you would hunt him down and toss him in an oven.

Oh please stop with your Jewish fairytales... I have no remorse for human beings... occassionally I do for ones who are civilized with respect and intelligence... as for the rest of them I could careless if their destroyed... most humans are waste anyways.
[info]misplacedmind wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2004 05:00 am (UTC)
Ok - this is a phenomenon that seriously pisses me off. I can understand that some people might be offended by the Nazi flag (in which case, either scroll past & don't comment, or email the mod!)... but a lot of the comments on here are coming across with a feeling of, "Don't you dare agree with me, I hate you!" Now, personally, I rather like it when I can find a common ground with someone who I disagree with in many other ways. People are people, and we're never all going to agree. When someone's views coincide with mine, I find it a blessing, not a curse! It makes me so angry - it's almost as though folks would be embarrased to be anti-feminist, b.c it would mean they (*gasp*) agree with National Socialists about something! Or, maybe more like,, "Nazis better quit being anti-feminist, so I can hate them with impugnity!" It's so frustrating when people let hatred cloud their vision like that.
[info]njyoder wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2004 11:28 pm (UTC)
I don't care what the Nazis believe, I just don't want them in any way expressing their Nazi views here. It gives anti-feminism a bad name. If you went to a rally for some cause you support, would you want a bunch of hooded klan members showing up?

This is not to mention the fact that just because they are anti-feminists that it doesn't mean I agree with their feminism related views. The Nazis here have literally been suggesting that women SHOULD stay at home (that it's wrong to do otherwise) and basically women should accept discrimination and not fight against it. At best they are only an "ally" because they are an "enemy" of my "enemy." The US has made allies like that a lot in the past and ended up fighting against the "ally" later.
[info]misplacedmind wrote:
Aug. 19th, 2004 05:26 am (UTC)
If you went to a rally for some cause you support, would you want a bunch of hooded klan members showing up?

Quite honestly? I wouldn't care. An ally is an ally is an ally. I find that allies are often few enough that it doesn't behoove me to be picky or judgemental about it. Perhaps I will end up fighting my allies further down the line, and perhaps not. Perhaps coming together on one issue will open the lines of dialogue on *other* issues, and lower the overall levels of anger and hostility. Perhaps my "ally" will one day become my friend. Probably not... but I prefer not to burn bridges. It seems healthier for my blood pressure to view everyone as a potential friend instead of a potential enemy.

I just don't want them in any way expressing their Nazi views here.

You know? I don't think they were expressing anything. I think it was just the way the picture happened to be taken. If I had a pic of myself in an anti-feminist t-shirt, that happened to be taken in front of the pot leaf tapestry in my basement, should I have to photoshop it out, and hide my views? Would you be saying, "Those damned stoners give anti-feminism a bad name!"? If you wouldn't be offended or insulted by it, is that because you happen to agree with my views... or because they just aren't offensive *enough* to matter?

I've seen this kind of divisiveness in other communities, like [info]prolife. There are *many* disparate viewpoints there, and contention among members has led to the formation of spin-off communities, like "lj comm="pro_life_cons">, [info]akashichildren, and even [info]feminists4life. However, most of the people who started those communities are still active on [info]prolife, and when their personal views come up in discussion, they have learned to be accepting and tolerant. If the Nazi view of anti-feminism *is* as you say, then I think they've been pretty darned tolerant... because some extremely contrary views to that are *often* expressed here. I just think the least others could do is be equally tolerant.
[info]njyoder wrote:
Aug. 19th, 2004 09:29 am (UTC)
I understand your point, but by choosing Nazi allies you're scaring off other potential allies. If you were at a rally with klan members, it certainly would cause a lot of people to leave if the klan members weren't forced out by the rally organizers. There's enough bad stereotypes with anti-feminists being ultra-conservatives, it's best not to have them stereotyped with nazis.

As far as the swastika is concerned, that's not exactly comparable to a pot leaf. One is a widely recognized symbol of hate, the other represents a relatively benign drug which only more hardcore conservatives would get their panties in a bunch over. The OP also had a picture without a swastika that, for no apparent reason, she didn't use in place of the swastika one. The OP also made a post strictly for advertising [info]nazi_regime which is, in fact, expressing their views and not to mention totally off-topic.

In terms of tolerance, it doesn't hurt the Nazis to tolerate non-Nazis, but it does the other way around.
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 07:12 pm (UTC)
f you were at a rally with klan members, it certainly would cause a lot of people to leave if the klan members weren't forced out by the rally organizers.

depends on if the Klan members are disrespecting the other members of the rally.. but see that's the problem with society nowadays.. their so intolerant of shock valued situations.

There's enough bad stereotypes with anti-feminists being ultra-conservatives, it's best not to have them stereotyped with nazis.

well you have to face the fact that National Socialist women believe in Anti-Feminism, whether you agree or disagree with what their politcal views might be that's your choice.

The OP also had a picture without a swastika that, for no apparent reason, she didn't use in place of the swastika one.

sorry I wasn't aware they had a photo of them without the swastika until I had already posted the other one. By the way I'm a male.

The OP also made a post strictly for advertising [info]nazi_regime which is, in fact, expressing their views and not to mention totally off-topic.

I believe you didn't understand what was written in the advertisement on the bottom... "the history of nazi germany"... I assume you know what this is.. but from the looks of it you seem to think its a community for neo-nazis expressing there National Socialist views correct?

it doesn't hurt the Nazis to tolerate non-Nazis, but it does the other way around.

who said Nazis don't tolerate non-Nazis?... more like non-Nazis need to learn how to tolerate National Socialists, because obviously that's what this whole argumental debate is about on this post, which wasn't even the initial purpose.
[info]agorist wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2004 07:56 pm (UTC)
well said.. thanks for your input. Good to know there's some openminded people out there that still obtain intelligence
[info]kikgrl3003 wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2004 04:43 pm (UTC)
Nice shirts! Bad flag. =P

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