Samuel Conway ([info]unclekage) wrote in [info]anthrocon,
@ 2007-09-23 14:47:00
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Why we are waiting to open hotel reservations
A lot of people are wondering when they can start reserving hotel rooms. Here is why we have not opened hotel registrations yet.

A problem that has plaqued Anthrocon since the very beginning was hotel room attrition. Because our hotels tend to fill up very early, people rush to reserve rooms even if they are not sure that they will be attending the convention. Inevitably, the day before the convention, there is an avalanche of cancellations, and the problem is getting worse every year. Last year we lost 100 rooms on the last day -- 100 rooms that other people would have loved to have stayed in, but had been told for months, "Sorry, the hotel is full."

It is understandable that our attendees want to be certain that they won't be caught without a room, but the sheer number of people who reserve rooms on the mere off-chance that they might consider the possibility of maybe attending Anthrocon, or perhaps not, is forcing us to look for ways to cut down on the amount of last-minute attrition. I have tried pleading with people to cancel their rooms early as soon as they knew that they were not going to make it, but that has not worked.

Our hotels, of course, are unhappy with such enormous attrition. The Omni was the first to request that it be allowed to charge a one-night deposit at the time the room is reserved; the Westin would like to do the same.

Here is that they propose: when a reservation is made, a deposit of one night's fee would be required (room rate plus tax). This would be credited toward your stay as soon as you check in, so at convention time, if you stay for 4 nights, you would only pay for 3, since one was already paid for when you reserved. The catch is that the deposit would be non-refundable if you canceled the reservation prior to the convention.

This is the only way that anyone can think of to prevent people from reserving rooms and then canceling them when it is too late to give others a chance to reserve. It is a system that has worked well for suite reservations for the past two years. I know that people will be worried about not knowing for certain if they can attend by the time the hotel fills up, but I believe that the hotel will not fill up anywhere near as quickly as it did in the past, since people will only make reservations once they know that they can attend. We also intend to have rooms available at more overflow hotels nearby, so I am confident that nobody will be left without a room.

We are still working out the details with the hotels, and while we are doing so I would like to hear our attendees' thoughts on the matter. If anyone has any better solutions, I am more than willing to run them by the hotels for consideration.



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[info]tango
2007-09-23 06:57 pm UTC (link)
I can see why hotels would want to do this. I personally wouldn't have any problems with it.

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[info]grrrowly
2007-09-23 07:02 pm UTC (link)
I'm all for that idea.

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[info]czgoldedition
2007-09-23 07:05 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like a fair solution to me - definitely make a post here when the ability to make these reservations opens up. :)

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[info]ferdiaferlin
2007-09-23 07:09 pm UTC (link)
*nods*

I can see how that could escalate. If people have to reserve early to get a room then they may feel forced to reserve a room before they know whether they can actually go. Those who wait until they know they can go lose out.

Are you just going to implement the one day charge, or are you also going to hold off opening rooms until later (even after you get the charge issue taken care of)?

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[info]whaletrainer02
2007-09-23 07:09 pm UTC (link)
One option could be to set a reasonable cancellation time (i.e. one that would allow the hotel ample time to fill the room)such as 2 months prior or some other agreed upon time that would be acceptable to the hotel during which the deposit would be refundable, but if that time is passed then the deposit would remain with the hotel.

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(no subject) - [info]creatureshock, 2007-09-23 07:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]unclekage, 2007-09-23 08:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]giza, 2007-09-23 08:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]creatureshock, 2007-09-23 09:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cedar_musketeer, 2007-09-23 10:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fabifox, 2007-09-23 11:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]felix_j, 2007-09-24 04:28 am UTC

[info]fox_cub
2007-09-23 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Thats insane. I would have never imagined that many people cancel at the last minute. A deposit sound like a great idea, let do it!

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[info]cesarin
2007-09-23 07:10 pm UTC (link)
no problems there.
because yeah, it pretty annoying.... I've heard people who do reserve like.. 4 frigging rooms, and in the end they start to panic and try to give the rooms to other ppl :|

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[info]cashewlou
2007-09-23 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I almost guarantee you will hear some griping from folks if this procedure goes into effect; however, I think it is an excellent idea. Having to plunk down $100 or so to ensure a reservation will definitely make folks think twice, and will save reservations for those who are sure they will attend.

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[info]baconcoyote
2007-09-23 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I think it's a good idea.. especially if they allow you to easily transfer your room should you decide not to go with it. I don't know what current policies are on room transfer...

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(no subject) - [info]unclekage, 2007-09-23 08:30 pm UTC

[info]kigeni
2007-09-23 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Sounds more than reasonable.

If you receive any griping, inform people that they may sell their room to members without a room. I'm sure that it should be fairly easy to transfer your reservation to another name.

The only things which I would suggest are:
-Disallowing the sale of room reservations for profit
-Asking the hotel about reservation transferal policies

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(no subject) - [info]unclekage, 2007-09-23 08:33 pm UTC

[info]cedar_musketeer
2007-09-23 07:21 pm UTC (link)
I think it's an excellent idea, in fact it is such a great idea I think I will insist they take an up front deposit. This makes the hotel happy, the people who really do need rooms happy, and in the end it will make you happy because they will not be forced to start raising the room rates to make up for the lost money on unused booked rooms. The only thing I would add is this, if the reserveation is canceled in a suitable time, say 3 months, then the deposit is refundable. I think that will also cut down on last minute cancellations and give plenty of time to tell others about rooms opening up.

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[info]neouka
2007-09-23 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Great idea..

just make sure there's no penalty to transfer the room to another person, ie, the credit would remain, and the new person can just pay the original person the deposit fee to cover for it...

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(no subject) - [info]giza, 2007-09-23 07:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]neouka, 2007-09-23 08:42 pm UTC

[info]sabrewing
2007-09-23 07:30 pm UTC (link)
It's an excellent idea; it's not punishing anybody that doesn't already have it coming.

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[info]damonblackpaw
2007-09-23 07:34 pm UTC (link)
That sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea. :)

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[info]antimon
2007-09-23 07:36 pm UTC (link)
while I think the non refundable deposit is fair, It would be nice if we could then TRANSFER a room to someone else either without penalty in form of refund and then a new deposit charged to the new reservation owner, OR with it being allowed that the new person can assume ownership without a new deposit being made (and the 2 people work out the deposit amongst themselves)

It's not fair if the hotel keeps a deposit and then still books the room at full price. Within reason anyway, if you cancel only a few days before the con, then by all means. But if you cancel over a month out...then not so much.

Apart from that I'd have no issue paying one night up front, It is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. It's just not cool that people had to be in an overflow hotel when there were open rooms at the Westin, and it's not fair to the overflow hotels if people cancel and move over to the Westin last minute either.

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(no subject) - [info]giza, 2007-09-23 08:08 pm UTC

[info]onyx_snowfoot
2007-09-23 07:46 pm UTC (link)
I'm ok with this.

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[info]simbab
2007-09-23 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Perhaps the Anthrocon web site could facilitate room transfers?

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(no subject) - [info]giza, 2007-09-23 08:05 pm UTC

[info]gusto_gummi
2007-09-23 07:49 pm UTC (link)
It's not my fault! I didn't cancel!!! :)

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[info]creatureshock
2007-09-23 07:49 pm UTC (link)
Go for it. Seriously, go for it. I reserve my room as soon as I can, and I go every year. I know people that do this as well, but I've also known people that do exactly what you are trying to prevent. They'll reserve a room just in case they can't find a room to stay in, and every year they find a room to stay in.

So, I'd not only have no problems letting them charge me up front for one night, I've honestly rather they charge me the entire weekend up front, in say January, so I can have it paid off well before the con and so I'm guarenteed a room.

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[info]chazz93
2007-09-23 07:51 pm UTC (link)
While I understand the hotel's frustration and desire to maximize their profits at our expense I think one thing that definitely needs to be worked into this is a reasonable amount of time that cancellations can be done.

I.E. Any cancellations made within one month of the convention loose their deposit. If I were to book a room in January, and discover in March I will not be able to attend then I should not be out the money when the hotel will have four months to re-reserve that room.

It sounds like the hotel trying to stick it to us to me.

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(no subject) - [info]creatureshock, 2007-09-23 07:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]giza, 2007-09-23 08:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chazz93, 2007-09-23 08:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fuzzytoedcollie, 2007-09-24 02:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]desteredra, 2007-09-26 04:06 pm UTC

[info]chazz93
2007-09-23 07:56 pm UTC (link)
I would also like to point out that "Non-refundable deposit" is an oxymoron. If it is non-refundable it is not a deposit. It is prepayment for the room.

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Alternate Suggestions
[info]lionman
2007-09-23 07:59 pm UTC (link)
While I'm not one who attends AC, I did have some thoughts to add for alternate suggestions:

1.) Open the rooms up in groups. If you have 1200 rooms, open up 300 at a time over the course of time, leaving the last 300 for only a couple of months before AC. This would hopefully squash the problem of gobbling up room reservations early, because there WILL be rooms available later.

2.) Make your deposit non-refundable only after a certain date. Thus, if someone wants to grab a room early, but finds out they have a valid reason not to attend, they can still bow out before a certain deadline and not have to worry about transfering their room. You could make the deadline two months out and have plenty of time to have the room re-booked.

3.) Simply save a portion of your room-block for later, and not open the full block to booking at the opening date, thus insuring that people can get rooms later. Or, use this in conjuntion with option 2 above.

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Re: Alternate Suggestions - [info]unclekage, 2007-09-23 08:36 pm UTC
Re: Alternate Suggestions - [info]lionman, 2007-09-23 09:59 pm UTC
Re: Alternate Suggestions - [info]vesuvius, 2007-09-24 02:47 pm UTC
Re: Alternate Suggestions - [info]lionman, 2007-09-24 03:40 pm UTC

[info]ysengrin
2007-09-23 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Combined with the transfer option, it's a wonderful idea.

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[info]crssafox
2007-09-23 08:20 pm UTC (link)
When I booked a stay at one of Disney's hotels, they required half payment up front. They would refund that amount up to a certain date if we were going to have to cancel. But I'm sure they probably do this because they've had similar problems.

If Disney does it, I don't see why Anthrocon couldn't. ;)

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[info]bucktowntiger
2007-09-23 08:29 pm UTC (link)
Sounds fair to me.

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