The "Leavers" Community

12,000 year old temple site in eastern Turkey

Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:46:27 GMT

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav041708a.shtml

Also links to Youtube videos :-)

From LakotaFreedom.com -- channel for support

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:22:23 GMT

Haumikole!

Friends and Allies;

Thank you all for your expressions of encouragement, support and solidarity. At this time, we are putting together information for supporters of Lakota Freedom. In order to best serve our mutual needs, we'd like to provide the following information and make the following requests.
1. We are in the process of creating a listserve and supporter database to keep allies informed. If you'd like to be included on this list, please provide your name, email and location.
2. Many of the emails received to date have been declarations of support. If you are interested in offering active support and volunteering your time and energies, please email us with these intentions and your abilities, skills and resources, as well as your contact information.
3. At this time we are setting up a way to accept donations and gifts for the Lakota Nation that is accountable to the People. If you are interested in helping us, please be patient as we set up the structures necessary to accept these kinds of aid.
4. Information about the possibilities of immigration and relocation to the Nation will be forthcoming. Keep checking the website for updates on the future of the Nation.

Due to the volume of incoming emails, it would be very helpful if you included the code INFORESPONSE in the subject of your responding emails to info@lakotafreedom.com.

Are we seeing the revolution begin?

Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:55:42 GMT

THIS COULD BE BIG!
LAKOTA SECEDES FROM THE U.S.A.
Don't you dare ignore this folks... pass this info on:

I do not expect this to hit American news. However it can be found at democraticunderground.com, at the blog for the Unapologetic Mexican, at New Zealand's Yahoo News, somewhere at The Raw Story (will have to hunt there), and a mention at Ran Prieur's blog with the promise to post more about it. The mere possibility of this happening is just delicious... according to the UM's blog:

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.
      A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.
      They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference...
      The new country would issue its own passports and driving licenses, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.
      The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.
      The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.

If in fact they succeed in this (and the UN's recent decision makes it greatly possible, as well as their reaching out for the recognition from other national embassies) then they could easily end up beginning one hell of a revolution... and possibly a civil war. But if it ends up a peaceful transition (yeah right, but here's hoping) then the United States could be in for one hell of a wake up call, and I'm seriously hoping this ends up coming true. I'm quite curious about how many of my SerpentStone family would want to support this as well as my friends.

But since nobody's really talking about it in the US, we in the Blogosphere have a responsibility to make sure they're heard. That means you. Get busy. Get behind them. Make this a reality. This is your chance to make a stand. Pass this one on. Imagine not just giving them their country back, but joining them on it. Would you give up your US citizenship for this?

It's seriously something to think about.

Food for thought... unless you'd rather just make believe...

Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:43:12 GMT

ARBEIT MACHT TREI

I USED TO THINK WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY. Every person has a vote, I'd been told, and every vote counts. I guess there are two senses in which I still believe we live in a democracy. The first is in a classical Greek sense, democracy for the few based on the exploitation of the many, better defined, really, as a plutocracy, rule by wealth (or, as corporate raider Charles Hurwitz says, government by the Golden Rule: The one with the gold makes the rules). We consider the Athenian democracy golden, although slavery was indispensable to the system--slaves were considered instrumental, and not having existences sufficient to themselves. Today our democracy continues that tradition, with workers, consumers, and the earth considered as only instrumental, and virtually nonexistent outside of their utility.
Derrick Jensen
The Culture of Make Believe p. 350

by the way... the phrase above translates:
WORK WILL MAKE YOU FREE
IT WAS THE MOTTO OVER THE GATES OF AUSCHWITZ

...think about it...

DERRICK JENSEN CONTINUES...

Even if we were to pretend that the votes of the poor count as much as the votes of the rich, the rich frame the terms of any given issue. So the poor can only voice their preferences as predicated by questions concocted by a wealthy minority. Imagine, for example, a national referendum to decharter all corporations, to hold corporate stockholders criminally and financially liable for deaths caused by these corporations, and to return all corporate-claimed lands to the poor. I believe the phrase is, in your dreams. In any case, even when the poor do get to vote, it's only after they've been bombarded by waves of propaganda: Imagine, to push the decorporatization example further, the sorts of editorials one could expect, were any such referendum to come to a vote.
----The second way in which we participate in a democracy is similar to the way in which the early Ku Klux Klan was a popular grassroots organization. We have to admit that in many ways the government does give us what we want, or rather what we've been trained to want. Consider, although we do not rebel, when faced with the reality that we must pay for clean (bottled) water, or against the fact that we are being killed by myriad carcinogenic processes central to our industrial economic system, or against the government's interception of our communications, or the incarceration of significant portions of targeted populations (e.g., young black males), I strongly suspect that if the government were foolish enough to ban television entertainment, or cut off cell phone service, heads would roll within the week. The same would happen if prices in this country were raised to levels where they were no longer subsidized by: (a) the unsustainable use of nonrenewable resources; (b) the unsustainable use of renewable resources; (c) the expropriation of natural resources from the colonies; and (d) the exploitation of workers worldwide. You say you want a revolution? Pop the price of gasoline up to ten dollars a gallon and watch the fun begin..... [It should be mentioned Derrick wrote this in 2002... I'm sure now he'd take this statement back, since there's still no revolution with gas prices well on their way to that $10 per gallon... why ain't you people GITTIN' BUSY??? You know, other than just waiting to pull a fucking Democrat switch in 2008, like that'll make things better?]... I once heard farmer, writer, and activist Wes Jackson say Wal-Mart is the main thing keeping Americans from rebelling: So long as we can get our diapers cheap, we'll stay in line. Although I enjoy complaining about the lack of democracy in this country as much as the next person, the problem isn't an antidemocratic government, or rather, it's not just an antidemocratic government. The problem is our culture itself, of which the government and its forms are only one inevitable manifestation, as are prisons, dams, corporations, the KKK, and so on.
----If the problem were merely that our democracy wsa being corrupted by wealth... because ultimately we're not a democracy, nor even, really, a plutocracy. We're a theocracy, run by clerics, according to the unwavering dictates of a God who, like the God of the Old Testament, is jealous, and all will allow no other gods to intrude.
----I used to think the God of our culture is power, that all communities, people, landscapes, and relationships are sacrificed on that altar. I still think power is one part of our culture's holy trinity, and is too often unpleasantly central to our interpersonal relationships. But this central role played by power is questioned sometimes: People ask, even within the mainstream of our culture, whether our hyper-emphasis on power serves us well. Yet there's another aspect of the culture's godhead that is even more invisible than power, and consequently less questioned. What, for example, was the motivating force behind slavery? What causes most of the world's environmental degradation? In service of what is the full power of the U.S. military routinely employed?
----Let me ask these questions another way: What value do communist, socialist, capitalist, and all other nation-states hold in common?
----The answer is that they all value production and the economy over all else. [Of course this is why I don't choose Communism or Socialism as some kind of alternative... those who do get mad at me for that.] Production is more important than profits: Essentially, all manufacturing would lose money without massive subsidies from the public by way of the state, which means that all industrial production is a losing gambit when the full costs are taken into account. Production is more important than communities. It is more important than ecological health or wealth. It is more important than happiness. It is more important than life...

Consider this example...
Of the approximately 1,213 Union Carbide employees who worked at least two months digging the Hawk's Nest Tunnel, 764 (63%) died within seven years of silicosis... Union Carbide knowingly created conditions leading to the deaths of more than seven hundred and fifty human beings... Typically, each shit of miners drilled three hundred and twenty holes into which they packed six to eight hundred pounds of dynamite. For the hour it took to detonate the charges, the men waited three to four hundred feet up the tunnel, after which they were forced--often at gunpoint and even before the dust had settled--to return and clear the debris. (They resisted returning because of the danger presented by silica dust.)... and despite the well understood relationship between exposure to airborne silica and death by silicosis, neither Union Carbide, New Kanawha Power Company, nor Rinehart and Dennis ever measured dust levels in the tunnel...
----It was not long before workers began dying. To prevent public alarm or resentment against associated companies, Rinehart and Dennis prohibited laborers from speaking to either the press or law officials (those who spoke out would get fired), and Union Carbide more firmly exerted its formidable influence over editorial policies of local newspapers.
----The death toll grew too high to ignore, and, nearly a year after work began on the tunnel, the Fayette Journal finally noted "the great deal of comments about town regarding the unusually large number of deaths among colored laborers at tunnel works of the New Kanawha Power Company. The deaths total about 37 in the past two weeks."... The physicians hired by Union Carbide and its associates were grossly inadequate for this wave of illness and death: Their prescription for what they called "tunnelitis" was that miners swallow "little black devils": tablets of baking soda coated with sugar. As the futility of this prescription became clear, Rinehart and Dennis surreptitiously, and at nearly twice the going rate, hired an undertaker from a neighboring country to quickly dispoe of the bodies of workers who died on the job. The undertaker buried the bodies on his farm.
[Now THIS is the part I'm working to...]
----The company had no trouble replacing workers who died or fell ill. Material poverty and lack of other employment opportunities drove migrant workers to live in rotting shacks or fields, waiting for the rare chance at a job. Rinehart and Dennis were later to argue that since the laborers chose to work in the tunnel, presumably knowing those they replaced had fallen ill or died, no one but the workers themselves were culpable for the deaths. The judge in the first lawsuit against the companies made this claim as well. But were the workers in any meaningful sense making a choice? There is an important difference between making a choice and selecting an option from among artificially limited alternatives. In order for someone to make a choice, that person must also be free to not choose. In the 1982 film, Sohpie's Choice, for example, on entry to a Nazi death camp the title character is forced to select one child to live, and one to go immediately to the gas chamber. If she fails to select, they will both die. Using this definition, Sophie was not making a choice but selecting among bad alternatives. [Like all of our so-called elections.] The same is true for workers hired by Union Carbide. Given the prevailing social conditions, laborers could select the option of working at this job, they could select the option of starving while they searched for another job in a depressed market, or they could select the option of working at no job and starving altogether. They did not have the freedom to not choose, that is, to not enter the wage economy, either by being self-sufficient or by relying upon an alternative community. [Ahhhhhh..... the plot thickens...] As I hope was shown in the discussion of DeBeers and apartheid... a primary function of government within our culture has been to disallow people the choice of remaining free of the "free-market" wage economy. Consider the taxes that were imposed by the South African government as a "gentle stimulus" to force workers into the mines, and consider the seventy million buffalo slaughtered as part of U.S. policy to bring Plains Indians to terms; these are only two of the many means by which people have been forced into the wage economy. Had it been possible, in a realistic sense, for the workers at the Hawk's Nest Tunnel to exit the wage economy and yet remain alive, they would have been making a choice. As it was, they were selecting one of many bad options. The systematic and ubiquitous replacement of choice with selection among inferior alternatives is a hallmark of our economics, and is one of the many ways people are forced to subsidize the business interests of those who govern.

Ah-ha! Work will make you free? Work is proof you never will be free. What's worse, the workers of the world then look their noses down on those who don't, but those who don't aren't supporting the continuation of this system. Not that you've much choice... but the point should be clear.

It's the first time I've found someone else say it in the same way that I've been saying it... that a free-economy is only free if you're free to choose not to participate in it if you don't want to. But you can't. They won't let you. He mentioned the slaughtering of the buffalo, but I say this goes back far further than that.

The world is full of food, and nobody would want to have to work for food if it's already everywhere and free, right? So what do you impose? Restrictions against the types of foods people can get by themselves without your imposed structure... in other words, forbid foods, say God said it was so, and voila! I've long thought this was the single motivation for all the taboo and non-kosher foods that the Jewish peoples weren't allowed to eat. Kept them in line with the markets. It's just the type of thing that Pharisaic-minded people would come up with.

So if that's the case, as I cover in my movie and my book, you must now consider the biggest horror story ever told to us, right out of Revelation, and see how creepy it is that this matches precisely what we're talking about:

Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

All he was warning against here is the conquest of the world of a BEAST, or giant power that would create such a monopoly over food and market, removing all freedom. It was a warning against government. THAT'S ALL! And that's what's been rampant on the earth for several hundred years now, fully succeeding in taking over all the world when the New World was "discovered" and conquered so ruthlessly.

We're in the beast already, and nobody will rebel. Nobody even notices. I have no hope for people or for the future of the world. But don't tell that to the church or to the fundies of our day... they'll tell you to shut up and get back to work, because idle hands are the devil's workshop.

Idle hands are not destroying the world. Working hands are.

Are you a slave to that great golden arrow?

Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:13:11 GMT

It won't even take 20 minutes of your time. This short little film will be on the most intelligent things you'll see online. You can spend that time watching kittens with captions, or watching girls shitting into a cup, OR you can spend that time learning to see the big picture about this economy.

And after, lots of links to click on to learn more about what to do. So please, check it out. Don't make me come after you people and smack you... WATCH IT!

Feel Fine?

Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:47:32 GMT

I'm curious, how many in this community is aware of It's the End of the World as we Know It and I Feel Fine, the online show at Submedia.tv?

The shows are all at YouTube and are about ten minutes long. Stimulator, or S71MU1470R if you will, has just finished his 23rd (I think... if there's a more recent one I've not seen it yet) and is putting all episodes on a DVD for a first season. He appears in the videos as two little floating screens, each with an eye, and a third floating screen beneath it with his mouth, imposed over random backgrounds. It's very bizarre but cool. I told him he looks like what would happen if Max Headroom had been designed by Picasso. He giggled.

The program is always about the lack of caring of society and its rulers of the destruction we do on the earth. He's had Derrick Jensen as a guest once even, and I hope to be on the show in its second season, as he's said he'd love to have me, so I can discuss my online project. You can go to Submedia's site to watch them, or you can go to mine, where I have a viewer set up that plays through all episodes in order nonstop, on the "Videos" page... http://www.thestumblingblock.com

I want to wish you all a happy Thanksgiving...

Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:21:11 GMT

...but the words get stuck in my throat. I think we're all walking on land stolen from massacred people, raped daily with little to no reverence, and we've just come to accept it. We don't care. Even now, the first line or two of this post, most of you turned away and figured you don't want to hear about it. I've heard white people even dismiss the topic by saying, We stole this land fair and square.

I can't. Yes, today we are understanding more truth about Columbus, pilgrims, etc., than those many decades where we were taught how Columbus and pilgrims and Indians all celebrated together in peace and harmony with grins and smiles and good happy fuzzy feelings. We know better now. Yet our culture's not changed a single iota in its paradigm or its parameter.

I have this book on my altar... A Cherokee Feast of Days, by Joyce Sequichie Hifler. It's 365 daily meditations, and each day I try to remind myself to take a moment of reverence and read the day's meditation, burn a little sage, smell the rich scent of it, soak in some wisdom, and remember to let myself feel the connection of Wakan Tanka, the creator and the creation, and all my relations, Mitakuye Oyasin. Tonight I read the 22nd meditation early. I feel nothing but pain and heart-wrenching truth in this reading:

We fight feverishly for equality and freedom to do something that in the long run serves little purpose. In other times, we bargain with everything precious without the slightest knowledge about what it is costing. We feel like birds in a cage with only inches of space to fly. It is exciting to look out at the wild birds on wing and think how much we would love to spread our wings. And yet, a bird on the wing has no protection, no loving care, no regular feeding. And then we stand on the edge and look in a window and wish someone cared for us. If only there were someone like that for us to lean on. We are out in the cold--but free. The very things that pin our wings also help us to grow, a dv hi, and with wisdom we learn how to fly, ga no hi li.

It is for this reason I felt the connection even deeper right now. I can't usually take a step outside without imagining what it'd look like without all the pavement and buildings, and if the people who no doubt lived in that area were to still be there, instead of massacred and cleansed from the area, so that civilized people could move in and use what the savages were wasting. Where you are now, chances are some tribe was destroyed entirely. You probably have no knowledge. It's probably never crossed your mind.

In The Culture of Make Believe, Derrick Jensen suggests what I think is a stroke of pure genius. The awareness and the paradigm of our people would change drastically if we did truly know. If we searched the truth and learned of the peoples who used to live here, learn when they were killed, hold vigils for them on that date each year in the places that they happened. If we stopped thanking God for a dead turkey that probably never ran free a day in its life, and for the privilege to live in a mass-produced lifestyle in a spoiled-rotten culture... if we instead learned to give sorrow for what had to die, what had to be destroyed, so that we may sit here being as miserable a people as we are.

Paradigms might radically change. Find out in your area. I have lots to give thanks for. But today, I choose to give my sorrow and condolences, because there's so much more that's been lost, and so little gained from it, that it drastically outweighs the thanks I have to strain myself to remember.

The TEN Native
American Commandments
Remain close to the Great Spirit.
Show great respect for your fellow beings.
Give assistance and kindness wherever needed.
Be truthful and honest at all times.
Do what you know to be right.
Look after the well being of mind and body.
Treat the Earth and all that dwell thereon with respect.
Take full responsibility for your actions.
Dedicate a share of your efforts to the greater good.
Work together for the benefit of all mankind.

Allow myself to indroduce...... uh...... myself...

Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:50:14 GMT

Hi guys... I'm glad I'm finding so many leavers and change communities online. My name is Ray and I'm in Tucson, AZ, hoping to move back to my pagan family in Georgia really soon. In the meantime, I wanna make as many connections as possible, because I believe strongly that I may have something that could help bring change too.

I'm working hard on a book called The Stumbling Block, which I think could be bigger than the Da Vinci Code, because it answers a lot of misunderstandings and unanswered questions that the religious world (by which I don't just mean Christianity but mostly Takers) have not found answers to. Let's just say the answers won't be something they'll like at ALL. And since most of what keeps people on the destructive track is that religion forbids them to exit from it, I felt it was time to tackle that stronghold.

Judge for yourself if you think I've succeeded... my website to promote the upcoming book is at www.thestumblingblock.com and has many short videos (some very shocking, I'll warn ya) and a full-length movie for free. It covers the most important parts of the book. I'm not worried about whether I make a fortune off this, trust me... I care only about the message getting out as far and as wide as possible, so free is the best way to do that. I'll even put the book online for free reading too.

I'm happy to be here in this community now, look forward to participating (I'm not just going to shamelessly plug and run) and happy to see others who care as strongly as my partner and I do!

Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:58:33 GMT

Does anyone have any ideas of what can be done to stop increasing food production in America?

Fire The Grid

Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:47:29 GMT

Fri, 18 May 2007 19:37:00 GMT

Just got this from Pugetish of Yahoogroups. Pass it on?

Wanted to pass along info about this opportunity, a month long permaculture internship in Hawaii, that includes the Heart of Now workshop. And it's a pretty amazing deal, $600 including
room and board. Check it out:

http://www.permacul ture-hawaii. com/internapplysummer.html
http://www.lostvalley.org/hon

And please feel free to forward this to any other groups, lists or people you think might be interested.

Kevin

--- Becca Perry <beccap@efn.org> wrote:
Subject: [Full Cup] Permaculture and Heart of Now in Hawaii!

I want to let you all know about a couple of exciting opportunities in Hawaii this summer. Kevin and I are going there (both of us for the first time) to assist our friends at La'akea Community with
their summer internship program, June 20th - July 18th. We'll be teaching Heart of Now there on June 23rd-25th, as part of the internship. If we have enough interest, we will also teach Heart of Now the weekend of July 14th-16th. Both of these are open to the public as well as La'akea interns and residents. We'd love to play in Hawaii with you!
For more information about the internship, see http://www.permacul ture-hawaii. com/internapplysummer.html.
For more information about Heart of Now, see www.lostvalley. org/hon.

> Many blessings,
> Becca
>
> www.fullcupworkshops.org

The Future of Food

Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:50:42 GMT

i've heard alot about this and read quite a bit about it but this just hits the nail on the head ...to our coffin.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=849146694200968214&q=future+food&hl=en

From The Sidelines

Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:50:47 GMT

Its the best suspense thriller going on!

thats how i look at it, but like everyone else i cant wait to see the end either.

theres some deep rooted seriousness in all this too, maybe thats why i view it all as a joke, because i'm a character too, playing my part, taking my cues..saying my peas . Affected by all the "what ifs" my mind can conjour up. Controlled somehow by myself, kept in line by everyone else. The saddest thing thoiugh is that i think everyone knows this and when they get to the thought where you take that monkey off your back,they get scared and run or close their eyes..its pretty sick.

Because they lack the vision too see something, whats real, whats actually going on and know its all right. They, or we are just caught up in something called domestication or civilization or something that resembles a cage. The picture we are looking for is where questions takes answers place and solace found in that is as concrete as answers ever tried to be, maybe its just so simple...maybe its no so far off as it seems.

join BRFJ or atleast help please

Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:39:56 GMT

i was visted by the Johovah's witness's today and i told them that "No i dont want a pamphlet and no, the bible doesnt do anything for me" ,they said "thank you" and carried on there way...but later
i thought man, whats the opposition to that (idea) or any idea closely knitted to that like other religions doing there "Spread The Word mechanichism" and i thought maybe i should make a news letter or something, perhaps a pamphlet and walk around to peoples houses and spread the word of BRFJ(Bong Rips For Jesus).
i quickly regretted not taking a pamphlet so i could just re word everything or have a good format for the propaganda i wanted to administer.
So Basically i need a rough draft or like a topic sheet or something..if you have an idea and want to share it thats great.
So far its based somewhere on theses tones....
* Idea change-to format another idea besides the ones that are just for control of the masses through fear of death and or otherwise Going to Hell.
* quantum physics/science backing up all stabilizations as groundwork for where this idea is going.
* Thus giving none fabricated, none fear dominated, none controlled Philosophy a chance.
* and the dismemberment of the notion we have that things are seperate when everything is really one thing or perhaps nothing depending on how far you get and having a picture for that to be displayed in peoples minds, kinda like when people think god ,they think Flying white old man with a white rag around his jewels.

well thanks.
any ideas please share
Sean Vanderbilt Damage

Interconnected

Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:50:55 GMT

Don't just read there, do something :)

Got a revolution behind my eyes, WE've got to get up and organize...

Outlawing & Patenting of Plants- just say NO to GMO's and let my cannabis go!

If you would like to help see below...Love to you all... FireDaisy

From: Ron Kiczenski - littlebigman2013 - myspace.com/102744623
Date: Mar 26, 2007 1:05 PM

In my last bulletin on this I announced that in two weeks we will be starting something big.
MANY friends have contacted me wanting to be a part, this note is to give all a heads up on what's going on and what you will need to take part.
What's up is that we will be announcing a class action lawsuit to be filed in federal court that will combine the issues of outlawing plants and GMO patenting of such (private ownership).
The suit will be asking for permanent injunctive relief from any and all laws that exist in perpetuating these threats to the web of life.
The causes of action will be based on threats of immanent danger to us all by way of these threats to the web of life.
We will be using all the scientific data that is available now to prove our arguments.
We will be making 1st and 9th amendment arguments foremost.
For this reason I am now asking you to prepare a simple statement declaring who you are.
I don't mean what your job is or that kind of thing.
What I mean is who you are spiritually/morals/ethics…the lines of boundary you have set for yourself according to your ultimate principles and beliefs.
The one requirement is that you need to incorporate this simple yet central reality:

--That you hold that you exist in a shared web of life which is interconnected and interdependent even beyond the scope of our possible ability to understand at this time--

You need not use my words, you just need to be sure to incorporate this belief as paramount.
Please read the following to get a better understanding about why its imperative that you and the court know who you are individually…I know all this seems sudden and vague in what info you have so far, but please trust that it will all unfold to your complete understanding and that in there you will have an opportunity to effect our entire world.

"religion"
Excerpt from a conversation with a friend:
"ok the reason i ask about the case is because there are twists that's might not be visible to the naked eye in as far as their impact on case law.
I don't want to waste your time if you've already got this part, but please indulge me for a moment on this...
Semantics currently holds the day in the usa courts in regards to the 1st amen and "religious" freedom.
The word "religion" is just that...a word...
Many so called progressives have thrown the word "religion" out with the bath water in a suckers game while they cling to what they mistakenly tout as their bastion of freedom, freedom of speech.
As you know the 1st amen begins with religion, but the reason it begins with religion instead of speech is because in the context of the constitution the word "religion" means how you live according to your "beliefs" = the freedom to live unburdened by gov regulation unless a compelling interest can be proven by gov...
You must take private ownership of the word "religion" and so must everyone else who can understand this reality.
The conscientious objector cases teach us and the court that the 14th amen assures us equal access to the 1st amen even if you are an atheist...
What ever it is that you believe must fill the void where otherwise you might have a Christian or another of the big 7 "religions"...
This has never been done outside of those 30+year old objector cases and it is the key to giving every reality based "belief" system an equal chance at creating major change on all fronts.
Gov cannot find compelling interest arguments that suffice when confronted with a "religion" based on the terms of reality that is now substantiated by science...
that's why the latest creationism/intelligent design is a science/theory just as valid as evolution did not fly even one inch off the ground in new jersey recently...
now imagine the reverse...say that creationism was the standard and now you walk in with your 1st amen "religious" argument which is founded in the reality of nature and proved evolution as fact...ooops there goes the standard...
am i making sense?
"Religious" freedoms protection in the constitution is where you will find your unalienable rights...doesn't anybody wonder where they went???
the only other place to find them is under the rock of the 9th amen...and that's why our current case puts the 9th circuit between a rock and a hard place even as we speak..."

If we can even get a hundred different people to state who they are and that those terms will be construed as their individual "religions", then we will have a hundred different "religions" agreeing and filling suite on one central point of fact. That point of fact will be proven by the reality of science, and we will win the day.

If any of this so far makes sense to you, please have your statement ready in two weeks. More to come soon. Thank you

here again are the bulletins from this morning:

----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: C.H.A.R.A.
Date: Mar 26, 2007 9:04 AM

RE Thanks, littlebigman2013 et al

----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: littlebigman2013
Date: Mar 26, 2007 9:11 AM

Cinéma vérité

We are all interconnected

Every tree has a root system

Every organism on this planet plays a very specific and vital role. Every life form is equal, no one species is greater or lesser than the next. This goes for plants and animals alike.

When the human race takes it upon itself to try to challenge this everything is thrown off balance. You don't have to be a scientist to see our planet is currently in a state of ruin. Things have never been worse than they are at this moment in time.

Every single day the last of a species dies. This extinction is not by natural selection, but by the hand of human destruction.

Our ocean reefs are one of the most endangered ecosystems on the planet. For years our rain forests have been cut down and destroyed. This is not an accident. We are purposely destroying our planet over greed and human selfishness.

The field of genetic engineering has taken this destruction to a whole new level. Now instead of killing and eradicating other life forms we are also changing them. This is all being done in the name of money and profits. To rub even more salt in the wounds the corporations responsible for this are allowed to put patents on these life forms. This is wrong on every level. Our government has allowed companies to patent living things...

This has been going on in the United States for years with different fruits and vegetables. Money, greed and selfishness are not excusable reasons for this type of attack on our planet and the organisms that share it with us.

Now with the legalization movement for the marijuana plant rolling forward with full force corporations in Canada are already genetically modifying and working towards the patents on this special plant...

All life forms on this planet are equal. No one species has the right to privately own another. The web of life is being completely disregarded and we must do everything we possibly can to put a stop to this before we let it get any further out of control.

The time for change is now. Before it's too late.

----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: speedreeser
Date: Mar 26, 2007 9:05 AM

From: Mary aka Rev. Mary
Date: Mar 26, 2007 10:42 AM

"CONTACT THEM ABOUT THE WEB OF LIFE"

"PLEASE READ ALL"

MUCH PEACE & LOVE TO: littlebigman2013

I have seen Ganja Granny well intended plea for folks to contact their reps on this issue....
I am asking that you reconsider this request my friends...
we who are the true freedom fighters are about to take this whole issue in a different and better direction and it does not include going begging to criminals in any legislative bodies...
please read these conversations and i will be back in touch soon...
we are launching this coup of the "legalization" movement in about 2weeks...
please take the time to fully read my case in fed court before then as it will help you understand whats about to come down when it does come down...i know it is a lot to read, but please just trust me if you can because i think you will be glad you did in 2weeks...
here is some stuff to read first...
The legalization smoke screen...urgent topic!
This note was written for another of my friends, but I thought you might have something to say about what it says?
peace,
ron

Ok my friend, if you really mean what you have said about wanting to learn about this issue you care about, then please read and deeply consider the following...
To put the following in the right context it would be helpful if you got to know the basic story of Monsanto vs Schmeiser:
http://www.percyschmeiser.com/

It would also be helpful to have a basic knowledge of my case in fed court:
http://www.hemphasis.net/kiczenski.htm

Also, before I go on I just want to point out that regardless of ones feelings on the matter, abortion would still be against the law had the law not been challenged in fed court and found to be unconstitutional...Where does it say in the constitution that abortion is unconstitutional?...It doesnt...

1. The three branch system is set up with the intention of checks and balance. As you know, a bill passes through congress and then is singed into law by the executive. If that law's effect on someone is in their opinion unconstitutional, the law is meant to go into the justice branch for redress. This is suppose to happen in the form of a civil suit for permanent injunctive relief filed by the violated parties.

2. The cannabis prohibition laws, as they apply to us all, have never been truly tested for constitutionality. More to the point, the very idea of even having the jurisdictional authority to outlaw plants has never been tested.

3. One must ask oneself why are there so many defendants and almost no plaintiffs?
Why after so many years do these "legalize" orgs still have no cases in court?
These orgs don't even hire constitutional lawyers to consult...they refer folks to defense lawyers while they spend all their donations on their own pay checks, big parties and inappropriate tactical responses to unconstitutional laws on our behalf.

4. Going to congress for some unconstitutional compromise on my behalf without ever even doing your homework and going through the proper course of action in response to an unconstitutional law in my view is not only negligent, but almost criminal.

5. If a law passed that would command everyone to drink poison, would you then stand up to direct your energies into passing new laws that would just exempt you or those certain few who you feel the urgency to help be spared from the poison, or would you challenge the law that says we all must drink poison?

6. When the orgs get their new medical and industrial federal cannabis laws(and be sure to know that they will) they will have only handed another species over for genetic destruction and private ownership...ironically in fact the very species that could have brought the whole GMO house of cards down if correctly challenged in the courts as they should have been years ago.
The orgs will have been defacto working for the corporations, not for freedom. So why do they preach freedom? Why don't they just say they have been trying to win the corps over to this issue for years while they could have instead been in court?
There's no money in going to court.

7. Here's a bit from a paper I've been working on, but have yet to finish...I just thought this part might help here...
Do you hold that all life is "sacred"?
Do you admit that your "sacred" world is being privatized at all levels as well as unnaturally assimilated into genetic enslavement/ownership?
Are you of the understanding that this push for privatization depends on the separation of everything that is in reality connected?
Are you of the understanding that war, hunger, destruction of the "environment" and so many other self destructive behaviors we currently suffer from are necessary policy tools of the false reality of privatization?
Are you of the understanding that the false reality of privatization and its modus operandi have now naturally lead us to a time of planetary consequences that could effect most human life to a terminal degree?
If you answered yes to any of those questions then please try to be open to understanding what must happen in order that we outgrow and survive these self destructive traits.
The time has come when certain "issues" and people must intersect and merge in a concerted effort in order to reveal the pathways of solutions to all other "issues".
The two issues that must come together as one are the issues of outlawing plants and private ownership of such as in GMO patents.
Where these two issues intersect is where there is grounds and standing in the federal courts to bring to bare the facts of the web of life.
It is in the establishment of those facts in case law that will create a legal foundation that can then have reach in effecting remedies to curtail all the deadly tools of the privatization, including war.
Those of us who are of the understanding that I speak to here must come together in class action law suits in every federal jurisdiction, all exhibiting the science that verifies the web of life/the birds and the bees, and all using those facts to challenge the blatantly obvious self destructive threats that plant prohibition laws and private ownership/GMO laws pose to our web of life.
The overwhelming facts of the common threat will of course be tied into constitutional and common law based causes of action.
Also please understand that this necessary undertaking doesn't need all of the world on board, it doesn't even need thousands, all we need is about 100 sincere and dedicated real people with residencies collectively accounting for all the federal district court circuits across the land.---

I've got to go now, but please get back with me on your feeling about what youve read here.
Thank you,
ron

also please note this bit...
"Cannabis legalization"
Is that all you think of when you hear that term?
I know that's all government wants you to think of and it seems that's all the "legalize" organizations want you to think of as well, but why not think on it a bit deeper?
Science has now proved that we are part of an interconnected interdependent web of life that includes cannabis and all other life that exists.
If all life is necessary and a part of each other then how has government any authority to outlaw life?
Further, how has government any authority to issue patents on life ie..GMO's?
The outlawing and genetic altering of life threatens the web of life and therefor threatens our very existence.
The quest for freedom, truth and sustainable life intersects directly with the outlawing and owning of plant species.
It is there that the one can "get two birds with one stone" as they say...(never much cared for that saying),
if one engages the courts as a plaintiff on the issue of cannabis legality based on the true reality that no specie can be outlawed, then one would simultaneously be revealing why no specie can be privately owned.
We must STOP all this desperately infantile looking to congress to further do the wrong thing!
We must circle the wagons for court.
The following i have said many times before, but it is the core of what must be understood to do the right thing at the right time which is now.
I am all that I am made of...I am made of everything that is or ever was...therefor I am made of you and you are made of me...
As well, all that comes after us will be made of us and will be us...
Knowing who and what you are is the most powerful thing a human has...it is that awareness that can prevail against the call of war...it is that same awareness that can be the turning factor on all other fronts...
Engaging the root truth of why they cannot outlaw plants will also expose in case law the very foundational truth of why we cannot make war or destroy our environment because to destroy life is to destroy ourselves.
Please think again before you go along with the pide piping of the "legalization" organizations...think for yourself...think about the bigger picture...think about what we will be leaving to those who come after us...
We've got to get ourselves back to the garden, we don't need new bad laws to get us there, we just need to check and balance and strike down the existing laws that go to outlaw and privately own what belongs to us all because it is us...
Cannabis can help us evolve or it can be handed to the corps because we don't know who we are or even our own system of justice well enough to do the right thing...
Don't settle for a slower death my friends...choose life...
Please consider this very important attempt to help humans do the right thing...
We will be bringing something REAL you can do in two weeks, untill then please please please stop drop and roll and rethink!
i'll be in touch soon, thanks for your serious consideration on this matter.

understanding

Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:51:19 GMT

we are all Ideas,
every cell, every atom is an ideal.
i call out to all the ideas reading this
and ask of Us to Ask for the next riff
of ourselves so we may embrace the tides that will bind us.

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:06:25 GMT

Hello - I notice this community isn't posted to all that often, but I wanted to write something here anyway.
Ishmael has become one of my "bible"s in a lot of ways. And I've just started to notice that some of Quinn's ideals have spread FAR beyond my environmental worldview. For example, the idea that "There is No One Right Way" has invaded my thinking to the farthest reaches. I've noticed myself having a hard time (which of course, is a problem in me as well) with people who think there is only one right way to do or say or understand something. They might even be willing to say "ok, your way is right for you, but this is my way, and I'm going to keep it."
I want to say to them, "how are you ever going to grow and learn, and even interact with others, if you only accept ONE RIGHT WAY?"
Perhaps the test of an enlightened mind (which I don't claim to have, but to strive for) is to be able to hold unlimited possibilities in your head, without judging or choosing between them. I noticed a post recommending the movie "What the @#$%@! Do We Know?" - this is one of the kernals that can be drawn from that movie - there is never just one right way to view or understand ANYthing, because things are always in motion, and nothing is as solid as it seems.

That's all I have to say right now. Peace to you all!

Bees are vanishing

Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:25:21 GMT

But people from all demographic groups across the country are facing a much more frightening real-life situation: the disappearance of millions of bees. This winter, in more than 20 states, beekeepers have noticed that their honeybees have mysteriously vanished, leaving behind no clues as to their whereabouts. There are no tell-tale dead bodies either inside colonies or out in front of hives, where bees typically deposit corpses of dead nestmates.

What’s more, the afflicted colonies tend to be full of honey, pollen and larvae, as if all of the workers in the nest precipitously decamped on some prearranged signal. Beekeepers are up in arms — last month, leaders in the business met with research scientists and government officials in Florida to figure out why the bees are disappearing and how to stop the losses. Nobody had any answers.

Honeybees are the major commercial pollinator for, well, whatever you eat that isn't wind-pollinated (pretty much anything from any plant that's not a grass) in the US. Even some cattle feed is bee-pollinated. The populations were already under pressure from parasites, disease, & pesticide pollution.

This is, no joke, a threat to the survival of our food supply. If this becomes a new trend, on top of the overfishing of the oceans, we're screwed. "End of civilization looms, join a Cthulhu cult," screwed.

I'm crossposting this all over, & I'm sleep-deprived enough to just be rude, but I have to say it:

Daniel Quinn never, in the Ishmael/B books, offered any solutions (except for that fuzzy romantic "tribalism" crap). He was just trying to get you to see outside the comforting lies of conventional wisdom. But in the end, when he started saying, "We're in the hands of the gods," (Which book was that? Providence?) he let apathy sneak back in. We don't need nihilism, or a peaceful embrace of our own irrelevance. We need to be willing to fight for the future of our planet.

And what or whom do we need to fight? Our fellow human beings, partly; those who oppose consercation. But also the threat of so much beauty being destroyed through our ignorance & laziness. I'm pretty ignorant & lazy myself. But we need to be ... we need to be like Dmitri Bilenkin characters, who see the pain & difficulty of the world, & work to fix things because we have no other moral option.

Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:17:05 GMT

ever seen that Movie...
"What the Bleep do We Know?"
i just saw it the other night....
i thought it was good, i rewinded quite a bit because of the Epiphanical thoughts they described in it.
has anyone else seen it?
its insinc with sihmael, and story of B.
if you havent seen it, See It!

The Confines of Modern Man's ... Primitive Mind

Mon, 04 Dec 2006 05:29:34 GMT

The Confines of Modern Man's ... Primitive Mind

Confine- a. to keep within bounds;restrict
b. to shut or keep in espicially to imprison
c. to restrict in movement

Words are the defining confines of our thoughts.For Instance, take a moment and try to think about something,anything without your "words" describing it. For most even the concept is bizarre, but then even the symbolism should be... well just that, a total image-experience of the symbol (the mountian you see with your eyes and the experience in your mind )and not subjugated by "words".
So why then are there words? probably for things like talking,warning,art,communication... come to mind, but thats really the after effect of the thought or feeling.
Where does the origination for words come from? Well it all starts with the L.A.D.(language acquisition device) in our brains according to Noam Chomsky,linguist at MIT. Children have this innate ability to set perameters and deduce the grammatical principles when exposed to language. I also think any type of communicative connectiveness too can be absorbed or reflected in that with interactions with pets or trees or any type of relationship where the"individual"(from atoms to elephants and beyond) can connect to something else to whatever degree is also part of this L.A.D. I don't think its just built for language but for communicative concepts. So we are born with these innate abilities for understanding and interaction. On the clean slate of birth with just its innate fundamentals we start to condition ourselves, or be conditioned,absorb information or have it administered . The tug and pull keeps us at a constant war within ourselves.
"to be or not to be"

MODERN Man

It is easy, almost too easy to think about how far we as humans have come in the past 1000 years,or rather even a hundred years,even Ten years. How "Smart" we are, How Much civilisation there is or how civilised our minds have become. Please take a second to think about this, civilisation is distiguished by people who live in "cities" and get there food from agriculture. Since 1388 the word "civilisation" has meant "law which makes a criminal process civil" and in 1704 it also meant the opposite of barbarity.
I argue that there is no such law(s). A law is something that is understood as a rule and concerns behavior and the appropiate consequences there of. If you take the human significance out of this equation ,then a good example beyond "words" is that gravity is a law, space ,& time for whatever proposed reality tehre is on the planet of in the universe. Our bodies understand these rules beyond our descriptions with words and civilised laws and hear say from the Jerry Springer Show,Fox news, Fear Factor.(NPR is o.k. though, 90.7 fm) If i throw a rock on planet earth, eventually it will find its way back onto the ground through the means of circumstance and gravity.
And what they call barbarity, which could be constituted as the opposite of civilisation would be ; Band societies, in which people live in nomadic or semi- nomadic groups and tribal societies. They usually subsist by hunting,gathering,small horticultural gardens,and fishing.They are more egalitarian,where decision making structures are less formal and power is more evenly shared.(wikipedia.org.civilisation) I am a barbarian.
Civilisation is also characterized by a social elite w/status inherited such as in Jello Biafras spoken word when he says," Why is it that senators are senator sons, of senators sons,of senators sons etc?" Its not that this is an interesting question but that since its so interesting,how come it never comes up?.Our minds after being man handled by false hoods riding on top of genuine innate characteristics are manipulated by words for control, conquest,and power. When JFK was asked why anyone would want to be president , he said "Power".(C-Span segment on how the press secretary's job has evolved since Lynden Johnson was pres.)
These false hoods can be summed up in what is called "Necessary Illusions". Heres how the Elite manufacture consent from the masses and what the Agenda/World Order is about."Most western democracies have not achieved the U.S. system of one political party, with two factions controlled by shifting segments of the business community". I remember Ralph Nader mentioning this in speeches he gave, but it didnt get absorbed because on most tv stations and radio broadcast in all controlled media. (pg 10 of Necessary Illusions,Chomsky) "Intellectuals are the primary targets of the manufacturing of consent, the public mostly just cares what their view is",not sound bites from Nader and then hour long news shows talking about how crazy he is for running at all when there basic message was winning is everything and only two teams can play in the Super Bowl of Bussiness as Usual.
In the state of things in our classroom and abroad through-out democracy i feel i should offer this also."Across the broad spectrum of articulate opinion, the fact that the voice of the people is heard in democratic societies is considered a problem to be overcome by ensuring that the public voice speaks the right words"(pg 19 Necessary Illusions)."The media serve the interest of state and corporate power,which are closely interlinked,framing their reporting and analysis in a manner supportive of established privelege and limiting debate and discussion accordingly.(pg 10 of Necessary Illusions,Chomsky,book).
Edward Bernays has stated that the task of the corporations through the media "is too control the public mind". The trickle down theory i think would apply better to this than to economics.

The Potential of the Primitive Mind

So if the illusion of mans mind is confined to this primitive state of being, as a pet is subservient to its "Owners". Then where is Modern Mans potential at? Where is the Key to escape from his cages?
Upon breaking down the theatrical horror we have unknowingly accepted all these years in what has become our lives(like dominos they fall with thud). We now know that the hardest part isn't unlocking the cage, but to a take step out.
Taking a step out here, becoming part of the world again is great! Although its feared, its in all actuality alot less dangerous then civilisation. Daniel Quinn writes about it in his book "Ishmael", but its obvious he got it from other people who have said it like Jane Goodall or Romain Baertsoen who have lived amongnst other animals(Chimpanzees and Gorillas) who cared enough to accept them as part of their family.
To give you an idea of the basic concept pertaining to the entire vast Situation.
i would like to bring in Religion and science and how a new concept should be sweeping through in what one could call evolution. (This is what the Elite is trying to stop or take control of).
This Out/Insight coinciding with every thought we've ever had will be overhauled and hopefully resetting all disfunct programs built upon our innate beginnings will be used as a catalyst to rise above the confines of manufactured consent,and double speak word trivia of these necessary illusions.
If people start thinking that everything that is going on is an extension of themselves. Then they'll start caring and worse yet, questioning and thats a problem if they are questioning about things that have a potential for making alot of GNP, like trees,the air(pollution),animals(don't be fooled ,they do have feelings), or even God. Its not that we'll all be anarchist,its that we will be thinking outside of their neatly constructed box. "the only thing we have to Fear is fear itself"MLK, makes so much sense doesn't it.Control.

Oneness

"When Sri Bhagavan was 3 years old ,his experience then was that the whole universe was an extension of himself".( Onenessuniversity.org) Scienctist have stated that the energy in our bodies runs like that of a house, but besides running through wires or through our bodies nerves,synapses,organs,etc..it also resonates outward into infinity such as the orbits of atoms do. Just as our bodies resonate outward,they seem to resonate inward also in what David Bohm Suggest that there may be an infinite series of implicate orders, each having both a matter aspect and a conscious aspect, "Everything material is also mental and everything mental is also material,but there are many more infinitely subtle levels of matter than we are Aware of". this is what he refers to as the implicate domain or an extended form of materialism ," It could equally well be called idealism, spirit,consciouness, The seperation of the two matter & spirit is an abstraction.The ground is always One".
(ourworld.compuserve.com) Mae-Wan Ho's theory of Quantum Coherence, his ideal states that the "organism is a quantum superposition of coherent activities ,with instantaneous(nonLocal) noiseless intercommunication". This gives explanation to when people say the same things at the same time, or when you think of someone and they call you.They are figuring out that our brains operate on a conscious level of wave collapse and in a reality of another dimension where time and space are not bound by the same rules that our universe is bound by. We are living and conscious of more then one reality. We are taught to ignore this or not taught about it at all. Its called Quantum nonlocality which was first published by Einstein Polosky,and Rosen in 1935. Quantum non locality is when one seperate physical system is affected by another with out being connected and also instantly at a subatomic level. Its not faster then the speed of light, rather that its not limited by the speed of lights reality.
Our minds operate at this time/space reality and also at a subatomic reality where distance is irrelevent, and instantaneous communication is probably abundant, but we look right over this concept like we are supposed too, as told by the distraction(s) of everyday life.Nature has shown us that our concept of separate units(tree,cat,worm,dog,feces)is fundamentally wrong!

Arguements and Conclusion

I think seperation only exist in the mind, in our thoughts and if we thought less like that, we would be more conscious of the state ourself. The trouble is this tapping into what our bodies are already tapping into is obstructed by how we think about things. Our concepts are proving to be more damaging then good. I always thought Philosophy was about finding the truth and then i discovered it was about creating the truth (lie). With Kants "What Is" vs. "What OUghtta Be". Its seems that alot of philosophers that were famous and gained notority really had a narrow scope of mind, of vision. I had Really hoped for more, alot more through out the ages, i hoped that the rest of the world was trying to catch up, but instead people have been more clamped down upon because of it, i have a real problem with this.
. Thank God for Nietzche though! I wonder if he wrote the way he did so he could get away with thinking so far out of the box.
"What Oughhta be", is a lie from its basic origin. It isn't even relevant to anything except power,control,and dominion which are illusions.
The most damaging fact about "what Oughtta be" is that it is what our scope of
reality is based on. It is what most of our mainstream teachings are about.
Its what keeps us locked in our cages.
It seems that whenever someone has a new discovery , or insight, its controlled and catergorized and all the essense of the discovery is destroyed.Even in daily life when people go on and on about describing something to make someone think a certian way(like them) about something, i think they are truly robbing the person of the experience.Theres the experience, and then there is the dissection of labels ,words and catergories, what if we started instantly communicating the whole entire experience, it would be less manipulated and lie excessive.
These concepts mentioned above (instant connectedness and quantum non locality), should be taught in schools. I mean they really arent hard to coceptualize even for probably a forth grader, just add some imagination in there. Actually all thse ideas arent hard to understand, its just that you have to specify in a certian field so you can really think partially un-obstructed by the "powers that be" of control. Everything is so easy to understand, and its so far from the mainstream realm of thought...when the only thing you forsake or loose thinking "that way to this way" is your illusions (rent INSTINCT). And That is a healthy thing.

thought processing to destroy mode. (the closing statement)

"We" the destroyers
live in a world of illusion,
based on lies handed down to us through-out the ages, but espicially since the industrial revolution where people started really questioning God and then the Printing press at the same time administered Anxiety techinques to mask the once Strong Lie(God). Please don't forget the effects of WW2 and the Military Industrial Complex's seizure of the direction of things to come.
an Original thought is said to be hard to achieve.
This is milarchy!
Our conditioning programs are so thorough that that thought is doing what it is supposed to be doing:Projecting a condition of mind to not question the foundation or fundamentals of the Structure of Power and Control.
Since things can only be thought so far in the programmed reality(lie,illusion,of individual),
there is an evolution of mind to think according to the greater picture, thats if you let it happen and not fall prey to the preying claws of dissection and labelling.
All these answers in books,speeches,rhetoric, i believe are missing one fundamental element.
A way out.
Science will protect your findings but it will also give fuel to the concept of control.
So the only way to think originally is to think "outside the box",
maybe...
with out words, without normal concepts.
changing the basis of our personalilty plates way back at its early stages.
Changing Concepts of God, of science...
a complete over haul of the entire system through normal evolution projection of when we start focusing on progression through unlearning.

I would like to end this if such a concept exist:
we are one
we are nothing
we are everything

The Primitive Mind of Modern Man.

Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:37:14 GMT

thought processing to label, identify, destroy mode.

"We" the destroyers
live in a world of illusion,
based on lies handed down to us through-out the ages, but espicially since the industrial revolution where people started really questioning God and then the Printing press at the same time administered Anxiety techinques to mask the once Strong Lie(God). Please don't forget the effects of WW2 and the Military Industrial Complex's seizure of the direction of things to come.
an Original thought is said to be hard to achieve.
This is milarchy!
Our conditioning programs are so thorough that that thought is doing what it is supposed to be doing:Projecting a condition of mind to not question the foundation or fundamentals of the Structure of Power and Control.
Since things can only be thought so far in the programmed reality(lie,illusion,of individual),
there is an evolution of mind to think according to the greater picture, thats if you let it happen and not fall prey to the preying claws of dissection and labelling.
All these answers in books,speeches,rhetoric, i believe are missing one fundamental element.
A way out.
Science will protect your findings but it will also give fuel to the concept of control.
So the only way to think originally is to think "outside the box",
maybe...
with out words, without normal concepts.
changing the basis of our persanailty plates way back at its early stages.
Changing Concepts of God, of science...
a complete over haul of the entire system will happen once you begin.
It can get depressing but every aspect of "life" will be that much better when we start focusing on progression through unlearning.

Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:04:16 GMT

the only Absolute upon my findings is that there arent any.
therefore the only consistent absolute is the fact that there arent any.
you might be asking if this is meaningless or not?
but nothing in meaningless and even "nothing" has meaning.
These are what i term laws of the entire vast situation, and even though it may seem to some of you that these are just "brain fuckins".
I would like very much to disagree.
"brain fuckins" are things that are prescribed to you for you to serve or obey as control mediums
such as this type of government or this corporate comercial on this fabulous undeniably swell product.
these are a couple distractions in a sea of them.
so lets recap!
-The only absolute is that there arent any
-nothing is meaningless because even nothing has meaning
heres a bonus one
-the end is a happenning place
Now you might be going mad right now, thats good because you were born into insanity and
"drastic times call for drastic measures!"
Why is the end a happenning place?
here is an explanation:
this end ,this thought you are reading right now at the end of its explanation ,the end of your voice in your mind reading these words is the end and its continual as you read every word now .
...up its gone.
but yet you are still at the end of your thoughts and anything and everything else that is going on in the situation.
the end just happens to be a very happennnng place.
Enjoy!

Am i Dead?

Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:41:44 GMT

it seems that people think deep on their own perspective but wont go any further back then that.
how many times have i heard someone say to some effect ,"well dont you understand that you have your reality and i have mine and what ever that is ,is what it is"
I'm getting a lil tired of this perspective.
look its not hard...take yourself out of the equation ...
Now tell me where you will go with these thoughts, show me-
do not look at me, for now i do not even exist.

i think Humans have been stunted in their growth cause all there truths and knowledge is based on trying to uphold a lie.
And the lie is that our framework of this reality, with its structures,and words ,is on an impossible mission to make a fabricated truth.
God..nope
Government.. uh uhh
education..., its just another catalyst to our demise because it only serves to control and safe guard what the fabrication deems a neccesary illusion.
we live in a wicked world of "what ought to be Real"
and we try to make it so,
when we should be living in a "What is Real" world
and try to make the "i" position grow.

the "i" position .
I am this body and these organs and these cells and synaptic clefts.
I am the air,and gamma rays,and the sun light
I am the broccoli,the cat fish, the potatoes and the water.
I am this rock,this cool ocean breeze, this flower, my mother, and father
i am this planet,this god,this universe.
I am am one, i am nothing, i am everything.
i am one entity throughout.
"We are One ,We Are Nothing, We are Everything"

when people start viewing things as part of themselves , like birds and water and pollution
and stop seperating things into catergories.
we will start being more conscious .

common beliefs revisited

Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:00:54 GMT

did primitive man have sex with many woman like a barbarian(ideal we are taught to believe) or did he have sex with one or few ,raising a family and going on hunting and gathering trips for days and then coming back and rejoicing,loving ,sharing?

did you know neanderthals had bigger brains then humans?and communicated alot differently?

did you know the energy in your body works sort of like the wiring in a house but in the body it not only travels through the nerves and synapses but also travels around it like a ring and extends to infinity?

people talk about coincidences and when they thought about someone and that person calls a minute later???could it be that we are intuned to one another(trees,animals,mountians,rocks,fish)
that a new reality of thinking(one more truthful,less deceitful) is at our fingertips?
is this the next evolutionary step?

i have come to realise more now then ever that we are ONE.
we are one big giant ...entity stuck pretending we are a robotic part of an eartly machine and acting as so...

comments,questions,information,...?

Where do we Go?

Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:47:27 GMT

where do we go
what do we do
???????????
this is a very interesting time to be alive..everything is moving so fast ,and its all going nuts.
i really do like the feeling of the controls going out of control.
I hope i'm alive to see them grind to a halt.
some say 2012 will be the year(psychics and the Mayans)
others have put it at about 40 to 50 years.
i would call it the "End" but the end is such a happenning place and can't be stopped.
Does anyone have neat predictions or opinions on the "going-ons" in society today and how that will inturn effect the future?