anarchists: Disclaimer: I am not a primitivist

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@ 2008-02-12 23:31:00

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Disclaimer: I am not a primitivist
Ok, given my enmity and doubt for a lot of the recent pro-technology posts on these boards...can someone tell me why they think we'll be better off with a neo-urban movement? Are people just so locked into the mindset of urbanization that they cannot conceive of anything else, or do you all really believe that the things inherent to a city can be produced free of domination and hierarchy? This includes domination of the land, of people, of all living things that are sentient and can feel dominated. I do not seriously think that the way to answer thousands of years of urbanization by a different kind of urbanization to be the answer to civilizations' problems. As much as I would like to believe that vertical farming and other technologies will rescue us from capitalism and empire, the way that green capitalism and "sustainable agriculture" has become recuperated argues otherwise.

What am I asking is for well-thought out responses, the kind I've been engaging in with some folks in other posts. If all you intend to say is "green anarchy is stupid lolz" or some such, gtfo.I like my flag like I like my metal.

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-13 06:05 am UTC (link)

the things inherent to a city can be produced free of domination and hierarchy? This includes domination

Well, since you've defined the concept "city" to include necessarily domination, you've answered your own question, haven't you?

As much as I would like to believe that vertical farming and other technologies will rescue us from capitalism and empire

There is no rescue by tech or a socio-economic scheme or anything else. We have to do it ourselves. Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

also,

Are people just so locked into the mindset of urbanization that they cannot conceive of anything else

It's not because we can't conceive of other things, I think it's rather because we don't want to starve to death and be killed by catastrophic collapse of industrial facilities or watch our loved ones die of easily treatable disease or women enslaved to their wombs or the rest of the hell primitivist fantasies would bring.
also I'm quite keen on seeing Mars.

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anonymafenomena
2008-02-13 06:12 am UTC (link)

Easily treatable diseases have been treated easily long before modern industrial medicine got on the scene. Likewise for abortion and birth control. Further, de-industrialization does not include destroying all currently available knowledge.

Incidentally, population density (read: urbanization) increases morbidity substantially. It also drastically increases the possibility of a massive pan/epidemic.

Given the fact that we're all here, I can conclusively tell you that the lack of industrial infrastructure does not cause starvation.

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	albanachdemon 2008-02-13 06:33 am UTC (link)
	Aye, look at how much more easily plagues, cancers and other infections move in cities as opposed to rural areas. Not to mention that most of these COME from urbanization. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2008-02-13 07:54 pm UTC (link)
	"simply bleating "technology bad" every time a new discovery is made." Until you stop attacking strawmen, nothing good can come of this line of discussion at all. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	anonymafenomena 2008-02-13 06:47 am UTC (link)
	Primitivism advocates the abandonment of modern technology and civilization. That doesn't mean it's even remotely possible to do so within the confines of current civ. This is the radical equivalent of saying that if you don't like the United States you should get out or if you're within a given power structure you have no right to criticize it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Not to be a jerk... albanachdemon 2008-02-13 06:53 am UTC (link)
	but can someone tell me how to be an anarchist who votes for obama and not be a hypocrite? I think that as I stated above, being anti-civ does not necessarily mean being a primitivist. If I was a primitivist I would not even be using the internet let alone giving a shit about what other people did or did not do in regards to cities. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Oh dear! albanachdemon 2008-02-13 07:21 am UTC (link)
	I'm REALLY sorry farewellfire but I think I accidentally deleted your post. Here is your original text: Could someone tell me how a primitivist could respond to this without being a hypocrite? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2008-02-13 07:50 pm UTC (link)
	Only adults can be anarchists! (Reply to this)(Parent)

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