commiefag ([info]commiefag) wrote in [info]anarchists,
@ 2008-02-12 12:26:00
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Notes Toward a Future Manifesto
-We are urban. We live and dream in a cacophany of space which only
the city may provide. We will break the shackles of economic
neccesity which link our beautiful polises to the vulgarity of the
suburbs and farms. Within the framework of worker's power, the
city-as-commune is our chosen political form.

-We fearlessly embrace technology as a liberatory force. We will
explore the very limits of humanity's ability to shape its
environment. With a radical hope we will incribe freedom onto matter
with our glorious new tools.

-We assign no subjectivity to Nature. Such psuedo-religious
mystification is the cage of fearful minds. "wild" is a word we put
on a party flyer. It is otherwise meaningless.

-Beauty is greatest in the designed and useful object or space.
Interaction, efficiency and utility fuse to make the most beautiful
of mankinds creations, the bicycle. Elegantly grafting the body to
the streets of the City. With it we see how freedom can be innate in
design, not merely a later inscription. It is a freedom machine. The
first amongst many.

-Of the primitivist confusion we have no tolerance.

-We are atheists. No designer would create a universe in so much need
of our correction.

-Post-scarcity is here.

-We eschew the eschatological fetish. There will be no collapse unless
we allow it. As a species we are indestructable, if we choose it.

-Death is nothing more than a design challenge.

-We abandon all idealogy in favor of reckless hope.



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(Anonymous)
2008-02-12 05:40 pm UTC (link)
And to think *I* get called quasi religious.

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[info]ysr
2008-02-12 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I dig it.

'Cept I think there's a line between noting how nature is not subjective and denigrating nature, which is sorta what I got from this. I was raised in the country, and while I embrace urban politics, I'd still like to be able to see the star from my front porch one day.

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[info]ysr
2008-02-12 05:51 pm UTC (link)
*stars

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[info]flintultrasparc
2008-02-12 06:00 pm UTC (link)
I was also raised in the country.

You'll still be able to visit. A few can live out there in the expanding forest with the wolves, if they like. More people will be able to adopt a hunter gather lifestyle, if they choose, if we stop using land for horizontal geoponic farming and detached housing with 1 acre lots and the associated automobile transport infrastructure.

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[info]summerlasts
2008-02-12 06:15 pm UTC (link)
I was saying the other day that a lot of anarchists envision a day when we can all live in plantation styled homes on several acres. You know, big front porch, maybe a lake out back and a "big" organic garden. THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE! As cute of an idea as it is we have to get a little more realistic when dealing with the inevitability of adapting our lifestyles.

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-12 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Good luck with that.

I don't think trying to "break the shackles of economic neccesity[sic] which link our beautiful polises to the vulgarity of the suburbs and farms" will sound like such a good idea when you're starving to death.

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[info]daysofthegun
2008-02-12 06:03 pm UTC (link)

when you're starving to death.

Huh?

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[info]summerlasts
2008-02-12 06:20 pm UTC (link)
I agree with "We assign no subjectivity to Nature" but can you explain the use of the term "subjectivity" over the word "agency" within the context? Also, capitalizing the word "nature" implies that it does have subjectivity and or agency.

But all in all...<3 and a whole lot of twinkling.

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[info]summerlasts
2008-02-12 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Excuse me...capitalizing the N in "nature" implies it does have subjectivity and or agency.

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[info]nomasters987654
2008-02-12 06:42 pm UTC (link)
I always thought post-scarcity was kinda silly. Mostly because we CAN'T all live like that. The United States, for as much plastic and metal shit, still have scarcities. Also, if everyone consumed as we did, that'd require several worlds of resources. Our wealth comes from the exploitation of others, that's pretty basic anti-capitalism.

Not only that, it really prevents people from thinking when scarcities will exist. I asked this question before, what happens when we run out of a certain food, who decides and who receives? Everyone kinda dismissed it, like 'What scarcity? We'll all be perfect angels living surrounded by TVs, cars, and vertical farms!"

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[info]anonymafenomena
2008-02-12 06:51 pm UTC (link)
hey man, they ESCHEW.

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-12 07:24 pm UTC (link)
i got the crimethinc chills! woo!

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[info]pika_pik
2008-02-12 09:16 pm UTC (link)
?

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[info]hollandaisex
2008-02-12 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Hope's always done great things for us in the past. Good to see we're still stuck on that.

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[info]commiefag
2008-02-12 08:00 pm UTC (link)
HOPE! a radical HOPE! a total hope! HOPE SO LARGE IT MAKES YOU SCREAM WITH JOY! Every suffering night broken by a dawn so bright! Signs of it are everywhere! It moves us! It makes us ACT! Hope! BEAUTIFUL FUCK YOU IN THE ASS AND SCREAM YOUR NAME LOVER OF A HOPE!

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[info]vampire_sushi
2008-02-12 08:01 pm UTC (link)
i think cities and the claustrophobia of simply living so close to each other will somehow inevitably lead back to the re-emergence of alienating authority. cities require much planning and alottment of space. i'm not against the concept of cities because obviously they sprang up out of a natural need for efficient exchange of goods and services. but to totally bind yourself to the city structure seems counterproductive to me.

open space is just good for the mind, or my mind at least.

nature is not something to turn your back on or reject! ah! i don't "mystify" nature, it is what is natural to the earth. if anarchism is to see humanity's job as clustering and alienating itself from the natural world, i am ridiculously opposed to that kind of anarchism.

"We are atheists. No designer would create a universe in so much need
of our correction."

the "designer" did not create the world you oppose. humans did. you're working from an unnatural starting point, as if the world began with exploitative economic relationships. unless you yourself "fear" the natural world, which you claim not to. so this statement contradicts the earlier sentiment that nature should not be feared. fear leads to either conquering or isolation from nature, and you seem to advocate both.

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[info]commiefag
2008-02-12 08:06 pm UTC (link)
An artist does not fear his clay just because he wishes to mould it.

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[info]pika_pik
2008-02-12 09:17 pm UTC (link)
this is serious?

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[info]daysofthegun
2008-02-12 09:24 pm UTC (link)

I'm positive at least as serious as the counter-argument.

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[info]pika_pik
2008-02-12 09:36 pm UTC (link)
This is an argument for fascism, not anarchy.

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[info]summerlasts
2008-02-12 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Huh?

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-12 10:00 pm UTC (link)
You could have just said this: We abandon all idealogy[sic] in favor of reckless hope.

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[info]anonymafenomena
2008-02-12 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Stop imperializing nature. Stop trying to control nature. Stop trying to fight nature.

We don't want your imperialization. We don't want your control, or anyone elses.

Nature is not afraid of you. It is you. It is us. And we are tired of being controlled.

So dream your cacophony, your blind imperialist ideology in shrill pitch; we'll meet it with blissful stillness.

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[info]zer
2008-02-12 11:28 pm UTC (link)
On a small scale, would you allow a natural cancer to kill you, or would you try to control it?
On a large scale, should the human race allow an eventual asteroid to wipe us out, or should we try to control it?

I'm interpreting your comment very literally. If I'm getting you wrong and you're making a more subtle philosophical point, please explain.

I consider nature to just be "what happens", there is no plan, order, or morality to it. Just accepting what happens because it happened doesn't seem to me like a compelling moral or practical argument, and almost anything we do violates it, depending on how strictly we're dividing what is natural and what isn't. And maybe we shouldn't consider technology as something apart and opposed to nature at all because it is in a sense a false dichotomy split at whatever line the speaker chooses; Is this false dichotomy your objection to the OP, or is it some implications of the flowery language?

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[info]postrodent
2008-02-12 11:40 pm UTC (link)
I like this. It seems connected with certain inescapable conditions of contemporary human life, and others that it is undesirable to escape.

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-13 04:37 pm UTC (link)
exactly.

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[info]roquentin__
2008-02-13 12:29 am UTC (link)
i didn't bother looking at the comments first, but i hope you realize how eurocentric and anthropomorphic this is. in other words: it's really fucked up.

technology is NEVER neutral at least in the context of capitalism and in the context of power relations.

furthermore, it's really pretty blatantly racist and sexist to espouse an ideology such as yours which seems caught up in a lot of macho bullshit and completely disregards traditional ways of life.

that being said, i ain't no primitivist either.

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[info]commiefag
2008-02-13 12:46 am UTC (link)
assertions made without bothering to do the work of laying out an argument should really be ignored, but i'll jump in anyway.

First off don't speak for indigenous people in the first, and in the second indigenous and their demands are not monolithic. They vary. If you would like we can ask FlintSparc to call all his Mohawk friends and we'll see who's down with the One Big Techno Bowl. So asserting, "racist" just sounds well...racist. Secondly i fail to see how this is sexist rhetoric in anyway. Please explain how your pet feminism is better than, more important, and should be taken up by all women as opposed to the various feminisms which embrace technology as a)allowing for gender transformations b)equalizing physical violence c)aiding in reproductive healthcare d)because its really cool and women want to live in space and have nanobots too.

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[info]nomasters987654
2008-02-13 03:02 am UTC (link)
I'd love to see someone actually crunch the math and show us how they plan on doing this, or if it's reasonably possible. How many acres do we need, how much raw shit do we need, etc. Give some idea in what this world would look like, would we all be surrounded by concrete, tvs, and solar panels?

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[info]daysofthegun
2008-02-13 03:30 am UTC (link)

A lot of work has been done on vertical farms, but here's the numbers:

Tokyo has a density of 170 square feet (0.09290304 square meters) per person. Assuming we achieve this in a more communal way (ie, large communal spaces combined with smaller individual apartments and living spaces) in each city, we're dealing with 557,418 square meters of land usage. The current land mass of the earth is 148,940,000, which means we're at approximately 0.3% of land usage. Now, this is densely packed, but we're talking about building up, so not every living unit will actually be 170 square feet. They could be much larger, but the average actual per person square footage on the ground would be 170.

Right now, 90% of the world's population lives on around 10% of the land. This, however, does not include the amount used for agriculture, industry, etc. Since we would be moving that mostly to the city (sky farms, fabrication, etc), we would probably get land occupation by human being to around 10% - 15%. This is a very high estimate. However, this is much, much lower than anything we've seen on earth in centuries.

We're seeing the creation of materials such as carbon nanotubes, nanofibers, quantam dots/nanosolar, etc. These require much, much, much (i can't emphasize that enough) less materials than anything we've encountered before. Carbon nanotubes, especially, can be produced from CO2 or other carbon based molecules. Production will no longer require large machines and lathes and factory lines, but more likely clean rooms and high powered microscopes.
Initially, however, a lot of this involves recycling materials and simply moving them into the city and reusing them. As an example, a thin layer of carbon nanotubes can be used to reinforce bamboo (easily grown in hydroponic vertical farms) to be as strong as steel. Possibly even stronger.

We're also looking at an extreme greening of urban atmospheres. The emphasis on building upwards provies a lot of opportunities for public parks, as well as rooftop, windowsill, and community gardens to supplement vertical farming. No use growing basil and rosemary in a vertical farm when it grows extremely easily on windowsills, and growing large amounts of it is unnecessary. Trees, gardens, etc. all work to convert CO2 to oxygen, filter remaining pollution, and decrease the heat bubble of cities. The remaining land (85%-90%, remember) will be completely reforrested, also working against the years of CO2 pollution.

Nanomaterials for insulation provide glass that insulates upwards to 1400 degrees fahrenheit and downwards to subarctic temperature (this glass is purchasable today, one example being a company in Sweden, I can hunt down the link.) This results in buildings that are extremely heat and cold insulated, and require much less in the way of temperature control. Solar fiber lighting can replace artificial lighting with immediate solar light, eliminating the common depressive states associated with sun deprivation (sorry, goth kids).

Plants can also be applied to the inside, providing aesthetics and utility such as oxygen production, and moisture. These can utilize solar fiber optics and rain water capture to facilitate growing at no cost to the building.

Then there's public transportation (obviously, cities would be carless). China is using buses which have ultracapacitors which recharge at every stop, so they are completely electric. But other options would also exist such as subways, light rails, elevated trains, and skyways.

I could go on. This is all technology that is either exists now, has been lab-tested, or is theoretically possible within the next 10-15 years at maximum. We're not talking about science fiction, we're talking about before some of the people on this livejournal community even hit 30.

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(no subject) - [info]nomasters987654, 2008-02-14 05:49 am UTC
More useless techno-babble...
[info]albanachdemon
2008-02-13 04:06 am UTC (link)
Why are so many people stuck on technology being "liberatory"? The means of producing technology to the scale you speak of STILL means devoting lots of time and energy to extraction, which means people being forced to work in factories, forced to rape the planet. How can anyone who claims to be an anarchist support these theories? It boggles the mind

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Re: More useless techno-babble...
[info]flintultrasparc
2008-02-13 04:20 am UTC (link)
actually, vertical farming would mean a reduction in the number of labor hours necessary to produce food to feed us all. There would also be less impact on the environment... so less "planet rape". Most of the materials needed wouldn't required "extraction", structural steel is largely recycled. Energy is an input, but vertical hydroponics is less energy intensive than horizontal geoponic farming. It uses less water too. As well as not using pesticides or very much in the way of fertilizer.

Some technologies are rather liberatory. I'm rather fond of the ability to create fire on demand, myself. I also like prescription eyewear.

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Re: More useless techno-babble... - [info]albanachdemon, 2008-02-13 04:22 am UTC
Re: More useless techno-babble... - [info]flintultrasparc, 2008-02-13 04:28 am UTC
Re: More useless techno-babble... - [info]albanachdemon, 2008-02-13 04:48 am UTC
Re: More useless techno-babble... - [info]flintultrasparc, 2008-02-13 04:58 am UTC
Re: More useless techno-babble... - [info]albanachdemon, 2008-02-13 05:11 am UTC
Re: More useless techno-babble... - [info]flintultrasparc, 2008-02-13 05:26 am UTC
... - [info]appledexterlini, 2008-02-16 10:24 pm UTC
Re: More useless techno-babble... - [info]appledexterlini, 2008-02-16 10:25 pm UTC

[info]anonymafenomena
2008-02-13 06:16 am UTC (link)
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three cheers from anonymity front
(Anonymous)
2008-02-13 06:18 am UTC (link)
right on comrades!

let me point to the stiff opposition you receive from "roquentin" above, best rep. of the anarcho-liberal identity-bureaucrats on this board. notice her attempt to claim special privileges in the argument based on her "identity."

these people will fight as hard as the primmos against emancipation to hold on to their little fiefdoms, staking out bits of power for themselves with defenses of "traditional culture," etc. beware

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Re: three cheers from anonymity front
[info]anonymafenomena
2008-02-13 06:23 am UTC (link)
How about my huge conversation in the middle of the post that doesn't rely on id politics, genocide, my special priv, my reputation, or primitivism but instead relies on the argument that what's being advocated is the exact god damn opposite of emancipation?

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Re: three cheers from anonymity front - (Anonymous), 2008-02-13 06:35 am UTC
Re: three cheers from anonymity front - [info]anonymafenomena, 2008-02-13 06:38 am UTC
Re: three cheers from anonymity front - [info]appledexterlini, 2008-02-17 03:43 am UTC
Re: three cheers from anonymity front - [info]daysofthegun, 2008-02-13 06:46 am UTC
Re: three cheers from anonymity front...not - [info]undeconstructed, 2008-02-13 09:04 am UTC
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Re: three cheers from anonymity front - (Anonymous), 2008-02-13 07:42 pm UTC
Re: three cheers from anonymity front - [info]lapetitepaumee, 2008-02-14 12:55 am UTC
Re: three cheers from anonymity front - [info]appledexterlini, 2008-02-17 03:43 am UTC
Re: three cheers from anonymity front - [info]appledexterlini, 2008-02-17 03:41 am UTC

[info]fusethemasked
2008-02-13 05:15 pm UTC (link)
Did you write this on your trapper keeper at skool?

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[info]ysr
2008-02-13 05:32 pm UTC (link)
Boy, you are clever.

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[info]machinery
2008-02-14 07:34 am UTC (link)
. . . so, you planning on organizing around this? ;)

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-14 03:55 pm UTC (link)
YES. DAYSOFTHEGUN and Flint and I are hosting a talk on vertical farming in philadelphia in March. We invited Despommier to come speak. I've been emailing back and forth with him.

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[info]resist_anywhere
2008-02-14 03:47 pm UTC (link)
I really appreciate the inspiring message! Keep on keeping on, and let me know if you're organizing anything near Indy. Or what I could do to help organize, when I get home in a few months.

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OMG MY MOM IS ALWAYS MAKING ME TAKE OUT THE TRASH I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THOSE FACTORY WORKERS IN CHINA
[info]appledexterlini
2008-02-16 10:18 pm UTC (link)
"We live and dream in a cacophany of space"

I really have no interest in getting into a pointless semantic argument about "cities", (because the 500th argument about whether or not Iriquois villages were cities is as interesting as the 499th, and I'm being sarcastic in case anyone can't tell) but if all you can say in defense of "cities", whatever they may be, to their detractors, is that they create a "cacophany of space", well...shouldn't that tell you something? The vast majority of people who are forced to live in the poorly-designed cities of capitalist systems have to deal with the real physical safety hazards that come from light pollution, automobiles, close residential proximity to high-voltage power generators, preservate-laced commercially packaged food, etc. etc. It's really the hip priviliged minority that reaps the benefit of this situation.

"We fearlessly embrace technology as a liberatory force. We will
explore the very limits of humanity's ability to shape its
environment."

A capitalist notion of the environment as a static, immobile, and thoroughly inanimate piece of clay completely atomized from humanity as opposed to a dynamic web of competing and cooperating animal, vegetable, fungal, bacterial, viral, mineral, and, yes, spiritual lifeforms. You can try to apply the "explor[ation]" of "the very limits" of gravity and the physical laws of nature to the field of architecture and create a design for building that is magicaly and inexplicably suspended 300 feet up in the air but it's still not going to work because we are all inherently bound to the laws of the system we are a part of, be it physical reality itself or the eco-system we live in.

"We assign no subjectivity to Nature."

What you choose to assign subjectively to has nothing to do with what you are objectively bound to. The notion of mankind's "liberation" from the greater natural environment, from the demands of physical labor, and from the restraints of all suffering, all challenges, and all conflict is possibly the #1 promise of bourgeois society, invented by Christianity and further propagated by liberalism, fascism, and Marxism.

"blah blah bicycle blah blah"

If you honestly think the bicycle is the first great achievement of human society, you should immediately stop eating bread, cheese, yogurt, and all other live-cultured foods and immediately start consuming random molds you allow to grow under your bed, since the thousands or possibly tens of thousands of years of undocumented scientific trial and error that went into discovering which live cultures are safe for humans to consume shadow in comparison to the brilliance and elegence of the bicycle. Same with all of the foods you know to be edible because of thousands or possibly tense of thousands of years of investigation by humans such as yourself.

"We are atheists. No designer would create a universe in so much need
of our correction."

The universe is not in need of correction, and neither is the world. What's in need of correction is bourgeois society. Isn't it odd that the "primitivist" in this situation is the one arguing in favor of traditional Marxian class analysis?

"Post-scarcity is here."

For the few million recipients of a global system of genocide that subjugates billions, yes.

"As a species we are indestructable, if we choose it."

EEH! Wrong. Everything dies. Species are designed to be destroyed, by disease, by competition, by meteors. The universe is set up that way. Talk about, at least within the context of a Christian society, pseudo-religious ideas.

"Death is nothing more than a design challenge."

EHH! Wrong. Entropy, decay, and destruction are all intrinsic parts of the universe. Thanks for playing, though, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, such as the oppertunity to abandon your sophomoric view of the world.

"We abandon all idealogy in favor of reckless hope."

Key emphasis being "reckless".

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