commiefag ([info]commiefag) wrote in [info]anarchists,
@ 2008-02-12 12:26:00
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Notes Toward a Future Manifesto
-We are urban. We live and dream in a cacophany of space which only
the city may provide. We will break the shackles of economic
neccesity which link our beautiful polises to the vulgarity of the
suburbs and farms. Within the framework of worker's power, the
city-as-commune is our chosen political form.

-We fearlessly embrace technology as a liberatory force. We will
explore the very limits of humanity's ability to shape its
environment. With a radical hope we will incribe freedom onto matter
with our glorious new tools.

-We assign no subjectivity to Nature. Such psuedo-religious
mystification is the cage of fearful minds. "wild" is a word we put
on a party flyer. It is otherwise meaningless.

-Beauty is greatest in the designed and useful object or space.
Interaction, efficiency and utility fuse to make the most beautiful
of mankinds creations, the bicycle. Elegantly grafting the body to
the streets of the City. With it we see how freedom can be innate in
design, not merely a later inscription. It is a freedom machine. The
first amongst many.

-Of the primitivist confusion we have no tolerance.

-We are atheists. No designer would create a universe in so much need
of our correction.

-Post-scarcity is here.

-We eschew the eschatological fetish. There will be no collapse unless
we allow it. As a species we are indestructable, if we choose it.

-Death is nothing more than a design challenge.

-We abandon all idealogy in favor of reckless hope.


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(Anonymous)
2008-02-12 05:40 pm UTC (link)
And to think *I* get called quasi religious.

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[info]ysr
2008-02-12 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I dig it.

'Cept I think there's a line between noting how nature is not subjective and denigrating nature, which is sorta what I got from this. I was raised in the country, and while I embrace urban politics, I'd still like to be able to see the star from my front porch one day.

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[info]ysr
2008-02-12 05:51 pm UTC (link)
*stars

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[info]flintultrasparc
2008-02-12 06:00 pm UTC (link)
I was also raised in the country.

You'll still be able to visit. A few can live out there in the expanding forest with the wolves, if they like. More people will be able to adopt a hunter gather lifestyle, if they choose, if we stop using land for horizontal geoponic farming and detached housing with 1 acre lots and the associated automobile transport infrastructure.

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[info]summerlasts
2008-02-12 06:15 pm UTC (link)
I was saying the other day that a lot of anarchists envision a day when we can all live in plantation styled homes on several acres. You know, big front porch, maybe a lake out back and a "big" organic garden. THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE! As cute of an idea as it is we have to get a little more realistic when dealing with the inevitability of adapting our lifestyles.

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(no subject) - [info]albanachdemon, 2008-02-13 03:45 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2008-02-12 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Good luck with that.

I don't think trying to "break the shackles of economic neccesity[sic] which link our beautiful polises to the vulgarity of the suburbs and farms" will sound like such a good idea when you're starving to death.

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[info]summerlasts
2008-02-12 06:20 pm UTC (link)
I agree with "We assign no subjectivity to Nature" but can you explain the use of the term "subjectivity" over the word "agency" within the context? Also, capitalizing the word "nature" implies that it does have subjectivity and or agency.

But all in all...<3 and a whole lot of twinkling.

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(no subject) - [info]summerlasts, 2008-02-12 07:00 pm UTC

[info]nomasters987654
2008-02-12 06:42 pm UTC (link)
I always thought post-scarcity was kinda silly. Mostly because we CAN'T all live like that. The United States, for as much plastic and metal shit, still have scarcities. Also, if everyone consumed as we did, that'd require several worlds of resources. Our wealth comes from the exploitation of others, that's pretty basic anti-capitalism.

Not only that, it really prevents people from thinking when scarcities will exist. I asked this question before, what happens when we run out of a certain food, who decides and who receives? Everyone kinda dismissed it, like 'What scarcity? We'll all be perfect angels living surrounded by TVs, cars, and vertical farms!"

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-12 07:24 pm UTC (link)
i got the crimethinc chills! woo!

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[info]hollandaisex
2008-02-12 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Hope's always done great things for us in the past. Good to see we're still stuck on that.

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[info]vampire_sushi
2008-02-12 08:01 pm UTC (link)
i think cities and the claustrophobia of simply living so close to each other will somehow inevitably lead back to the re-emergence of alienating authority. cities require much planning and alottment of space. i'm not against the concept of cities because obviously they sprang up out of a natural need for efficient exchange of goods and services. but to totally bind yourself to the city structure seems counterproductive to me.

open space is just good for the mind, or my mind at least.

nature is not something to turn your back on or reject! ah! i don't "mystify" nature, it is what is natural to the earth. if anarchism is to see humanity's job as clustering and alienating itself from the natural world, i am ridiculously opposed to that kind of anarchism.

"We are atheists. No designer would create a universe in so much need
of our correction."

the "designer" did not create the world you oppose. humans did. you're working from an unnatural starting point, as if the world began with exploitative economic relationships. unless you yourself "fear" the natural world, which you claim not to. so this statement contradicts the earlier sentiment that nature should not be feared. fear leads to either conquering or isolation from nature, and you seem to advocate both.

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[info]pika_pik
2008-02-12 09:17 pm UTC (link)
this is serious?

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