americanidol: Kristy Lee = Lose

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americanidol,
@ 2008-04-05 09:19:00

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Kristy Lee = Lose
As if you didn't need more reasons to think that Kristy Lee = lose, here's this that my friend who lives in Oregon commented on my LJ:

so i saw this and immediately thought of you.. i figure you'll find it amusing.

today i picked up a copy of the portland mercury, which is a really popular free independent weekly newspaper out here. well right on the top corner of the cover is this little banner that says "American Idon Fans: STOP VOTING FOR KRISTY LEE COOK! p.5" so i turn to page 5 and it is this section called "one day at a time" where they basically do a brief week in review of happenings in the media and politics for each day of the previous week. well this is the tuesday section of the article:

"Tuesday, March 25
As you know, Oregon has few celebrities. Therefore when our state does produce a famous person, we generally treat them with kid gloves. However, when it comes to Oregon native/American Idol contestant Kristy Lee Cook? Honey, the gloves are coming off! For those unfamiliar with this season of AI, Kristy Lee is a country-fried blonde bombshell who has slithered her way into the talent competition's top 10. Why are we bringing this up? Because it is now up to all Oregonian's to... STOP VOTING FOR KRISTY LEE COOK! Here's why she should be sent back to shoveling horse shit on her Selma, Oregon farm: On tonight's particularly horrific episode, Kristy Lee sand a faux-stirring rendition of the jingoistic Lee Greenwood tune "God Bless the USA" (sample lyric: "I'm proud to be an american, where at least I know I'm free." Ugh!) This will undoubtedly keep her in the competition for another month thanks to votes from the beer-swilling trailer park demographic, who falsely believe that a vote for Kristy is a vote against Osama bin Laden... and France. SECONDLY, on Kristy Lee's American Idol profile page she is asked, "Who is the person that you would most like to meet," to which she responds, "Jesus, James Franco, John Hagee." We have no problem with the first two, though George Clooney is clearly a superior choice to a guy with nails in his palms. Our problem lies with Kristy Lee's third choice, the Reverend John Hagee. As you may or may not know, the Rev. Hagee is a highly-paid televangelist who also believes that (a) America should make a preemptive military strike against Iran, (b) J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter is contemporary witchcraft, (c) abortions and homosexuality are immoral, (d) Catholicism is a "Godless theology of hate," (e) the Qur'an contains a "scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews," and (f) Hurricane Katrina was "the judgement of God against New Orleans." We have no idea how he feels about George Clooney - but if his other views are any indication, they probably wouldn't get along. SO LISTEN UP, OREGON! A vote for Kristy Lee Cook is a vote for those who idolize narrow-minded bigots - and who wants an American Idol like that?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

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	always_aforever 2008-04-05 03:02 pm UTC (link)
	Oh God, I didn't know it was possible to dislike her anymore than I do now. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	paloma_n_regina 2008-04-05 04:28 pm UTC (link)
	iawtc... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	onepinkshoe 2008-04-05 05:54 pm UTC (link)
	I came here to write the exact same thing! Great minds... (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	always_aforever 2008-04-05 06:23 pm UTC (link)
	You know it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Squeeee! elphaba_of_oz 2008-04-05 03:13 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you so much for posting this! (Reply to this)

harmoniouslife
2008-04-05 03:15 pm UTC (link)

I realize that I'm about to make myself unpopular, but are we voting for contestants because we agree with their personal beliefs, or are we voting for contestants because of their talent?

She did list John Hagee as a person she would like to meet, but just because he holds all these beliefs doesn't mean that she does too. Why didn't they apply the same criteria to James Franco? "James Franco believes that aliens are taking over planet Earth, and that all the oceans of the world should be drained and refilled with chocolate milk, so therefore Kristy Lee must believe these as well."

And like it or not, this is America where people are allowed to believe what they want without fear of punishment. Just because you disagree with someone's beliefs doesn't mean that they're not allowed to have them. And articles such as this actually promote another kind of prejudice-- intolerance for those with different beliefs.

It's amazing to me that Christians are expected to be tolerant of everyone else, but no one wants to be tolerant of Christians.

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dance_thrulife
2008-04-05 03:24 pm UTC (link)

I completely understand your point of view. However, I would just like to say that there is a big difference between wanting to meet an actor and wanting to meet a reverend. With an actor you could simply be a fan of their work. With a reverend what can you be a fan of besides their preaching? She must have heard some of it (even if its not the points mentioned above) and been drawn to it.

I think Kristy Lee has every right to follow John Hagee and I totally support her right to do so. I just also believe that it is my right to not approve of this action.

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harmoniouslife
2008-04-05 03:36 pm UTC (link)

I agree with you, and the point you made that she must have been drawn to some of his teaching is valid. But the points listed in the article were chosen to paint a certain picture that was inflammatory, and she may not even be aware of all of them.

And you absolutely have the right not to approve of her action. I just think that the article takes it a step too far in saying that she did not deserve votes because of this. She's not running for office, she's in a singing competition.

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dance_thrulife
2008-04-05 03:46 pm UTC (link)

Well the article came from an alternative newspaper. So that should be taken into consideration.

This is my own personal opinion regarding Kristy Lee, she doesn't have the vocals to still be in the competition. I think the author of the article agrees with me and was urging people not to vote for her just because she was from Oregon. I think he was coming from the perspective that people were not voting for her based upon her vocals and the point of the article was to show that maybe she wouldn't present Oregon in the best light. Be that right or be that wrong.

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	harmoniouslife 2008-04-05 04:04 pm UTC (link)
	Truthfully, I'm surprised she's still in the competition. So far I've chalked it up to the Haley Scarnato syndrome (vote for the hot girl!). BTW, that picture of Carly in your icon is gorgeous. She has beautiful eyes. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	dance_thrulife 2008-04-05 04:31 pm UTC (link)
	I completely agree. That and her brilliant calculation to sing "God Bless The USA". Thanks, I think Carly's gorgeous in her own way. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	napolde 2008-04-06 03:08 am UTC (link)
	Maybe she is a fan of Hagee's private parts. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	dance_thrulife 2008-04-05 03:16 pm UTC (link)
	oh my gosh. 1. I can't believe that she would want to be associated with him. 2. Even if she did want to be associated with him, I can't believe she put it on her AI profile. (Reply to this)

	appeasing 2008-04-05 03:32 pm UTC (link)
	besides all that, she's immature enough as it is - and I don't want an American Idol like that. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	paloma_n_regina 2008-04-05 04:27 pm UTC (link)
	AAAIGHT DIIIES AA WAAAAKEE! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	djl4c 2008-04-05 05:01 pm UTC (link)
	Wait. Let me get this straight. This idiot basically wants people to vote against KLC because she's a conservative? Wow. And to think I'm always told that liberals are the ones who preach "tolerance" for others' beliefs. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	onepinkshoe 2008-04-05 05:58 pm UTC (link)
	The article is humorous. If you've gone from reading it to making a sweeping generalization about a group of people who call themselves "liberals" and getting all uppity about it, then you need a sense of humour. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	djl4c 2008-04-05 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	I apologize - I'll stop taking silly little things like abortion seriously. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	onepinkshoe 2008-04-05 06:37 pm UTC (link)
	I honestly don't know whether to laugh at your comment or feel a bit sad about it. I do know that you've completely and utterly missed the point! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

djl4c
2008-04-05 06:45 pm UTC (link)

No, I think it's you that's missing the point.

If not voting for someone based on their political beliefs WAS completely bizarre and unheard of, that article would be hilarious. But the truth is, there's people out there that do that. There's people that voted against Jordin because she opposed homosxuality. That's stupid. There's people that voted FOR Jordin because she's opposed to homosexuality. That's also stupid. It's stupid on both sides of the spectrum.

The truth is we live in a world where people can't differentiate different aspects of a person's being. We live in a world of people who can't grasp the idea of disagreeing with a person politically and still thinking they're a good singer. We live in a world of people who also can't grasp that just because someone matches their religious beliefs doesn't mean they're more talented.

And of course I'm not saying ALL people are like that - but certainly enough to make a difference. So when an article like this comes out, sure it'd be funny if it wasn't going to change anything. But if word about KLC's political and religious beliefs becomes widespread, it's going to affect the voting. Whether it keeps her there longer or kicks her off earlier remains to be seen (although 'earlier' has probably already passed) - but it IS going to make a difference if it becomes common knowledge, and I think it's stupid for a person's political, social and religious beliefs to impact a singing competition.

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	onepinkshoe 2008-04-05 06:48 pm UTC (link)
	I apologize - I'll stop taking silly little things like abortion seriously. Why didn't you just say all of the above instead of making a point about abortion? You were trying to make some political point/argument yourself. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

djl4c
2008-04-05 06:59 pm UTC (link)

Basic rule I usually go by online - don't bother writing a long explanation for something until someone's responded to you twice. I used to type long explanations that didn't get read way too often 'cause people were really just interested in petty one-liner comments.

And I was not trying to make some political point myself - I didn't say anything about whether I'm pro-choice or pro-life. All I said was that either way, it's not something to be laughed about.

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	onepinkshoe 2008-04-05 07:18 pm UTC (link)
	If you're not going to write out a thoughtful reply then don't be surprised when people call you on your comments. Telling me I didn't "get the point" when there was admittedly no point to your "petty one liner comments" in the first place doesn't fly. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	djl4c 2008-04-05 07:26 pm UTC (link)
	You're conveniently avoiding responding to the long response you claim you wish I'd posted initially. Why exactly is that? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	onepinkshoe 2008-04-05 07:30 pm UTC (link)
	dance_thrulife did a good job of responding to you, and I would be making essentially the same points as her. (Reply to this) (Parent)

dance_thrulife
2008-04-05 07:08 pm UTC (link)

I agree completely, but I think you missed the point of the article. The article was not saying don't vote for Kristy Lee because of her political/religious beliefs even if she is the best singer left. The article was based on the assumption that people weren't even taking into account her singing ability and are simply voting for her because she is from Oregon. Which is essentially as stupid as voting for someone because of their religious or political leanings.

It was a tongue in cheek article for the most part. I'm a liberal and I am very tolerant of what other people believe, but that are certain things I just can't accept. I try, but I can't accept the fact that "Hurricane Katrina was "God's Punishment for the people of New Orleans." I also can't accept the fact that when a local university president was murdered a church wanted to come to her funeral and applaud the fact that she was murdered because she deserved to be killed for supporting homosexuality. You want to be pro-life thats fine I understand completely. You want to say that all people who are pro-choice are going to burn in hell, no that pushes my buttons.

I also cannot support the incorrect fact that "the Qur'an contains a "scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews." Thats not an opinion, thats ignorance.

All said the article came from an Alternative News Paper. So more than likely it was meant to be snarky and not taken seriously.

Edited at 2008-04-05 07:10 pm UTC

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djl4c
2008-04-05 07:25 pm UTC (link)

That's a very good point about people voting for her just because she's from Oregon - I still don't think it was really necessary to dwell so much on her political beliefs, but at least what it's arguing about is comparably stupid.

And as for the rest, I want to assure you (and apologies if you already know this) that those people you mention - mainly those idiots at Westboro Baptist Church - most certainly don't represent the majority of us Christians. They're psychpaths. They came to my school for a protest a few months ago, and I was there protesting back against them. They complete and totally distort the Bible - apparently they never read the verse that says "what business is it of mine to judge those outside the Church?" (1 Corinthians 5:12)

But then again, most Christians get it wrong. Most Christians really can't grasp the idea that non-Christians aren't bound to the same moral code - they have no reason to follow our laws. A non-Christian actively trying to adhere to Christian philosophy would be as silly as me obeying the laws of Kuwait while living in Atlanta.

There's a fundamental flaw in Christians criticizing non-Christians on issues rooted (to us) in Christian philosophy (like homosexuality, mainly - abortion can be debated more secularly) - it's implying that a non-Christian, if they "obey" enough, will somehow magically become a Christian. It doesn't work that way. For people who become Christians, obedience doesn't come first - it comes after. You become a Christian, then God helps you try to do what's right. That's the way it works (by our beliefs) - so telling non-Christians to do what's "right" is just ridiculous. It's like one guy lifting a boulder with the help of 50 pulleys, and telling the guy next to him to lift the same boulder with his bare hands. It's hypocritical, it's ignorant and it's downright stupid.

Anyway, sorry for that mini-rant/stream-of-consciousness. It just bugs the heck out of me how some Christians give the rest of us a bad name by doing everything so completely wrong. And my comments on liberals and tolerance wasn't meant to be a tongue-in-cheek comment about liberals in general - it was tongue-in-cheek about that guy specifically. Just to make sure that's clear :)

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dance_thrulife
2008-04-05 07:33 pm UTC (link)

I'm a Christian, so I know Westboro Baptist Church are in left field. It was just the most absurd example I could come up with. I'm liberal because I believe every person has a right to live the way they want to as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. I have no problem with people offering opposing views to mine as long as they don't condemn people who feel differently.

I was at Mercy Me concert once and the lead singer (whose name escapes me at the moment) said that living a life above reproach before you become a Christian is like getting dressed before you step in the shower, it just doesn't work that way. You step in the shower to be cleansed. You accept Christ into your heart for you soul to be cleansed.

My response was mainly in explaining how this liberal walks a balance between liberalism and faith. And that not all liberals reject opposing ideas. At least for me not tolerating another person's opinions is ridiculous but not tolerating intolerance is beneficial to the community. And when I say that it works both ways, no one liberal or conservative should think they have all the answers and think they can't accept someone based on their view points.

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djl4c
2008-04-05 07:41 pm UTC (link)

Ah, I apologize for my incredibly wrong initial assumption. At least I think the long diatribe that followed it you at least agreed with :)

The thing about the initial article is that, while for you the thin line between liberalism and faith makes sense, I don't think he walks that thin line. There's people out there that can conceptualize and defend their beliefs - like you, and I'd like to think like me - but then there's people that don't bother trying, or downright can't. And in my experience, those are the types that say things like the ones in that original article (she's against homosexuality, therefore don't vote for her, etc.). But you're right, he's going against an equally stupid argument (she's from Oregon, therefore vote for her), so I was a bit too hasty to criticize.

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	dance_thrulife 2008-04-05 08:37 pm UTC (link)
	Its ok when people find out I'm liberal they jump straight to the conclusion that I'm not a Christian. I'm used to it at this point. I think the whole article was meant to be sarcastic, whether he actually believed what he wrote or not, I don't know. (Reply to this) (Parent)

ewans_gal_4ever
2008-04-05 08:28 pm UTC (link)

I also can't accept the fact that when a local university president was murdered a church wanted to come to her funeral and applaud the fact that she was murdered because she deserved to be killed for supporting homosexuality

This is completely OT from the post but you wouldn't be talking about Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church would you?

If so, I'm from KS and he is an absolute toolbag. If you aren't talking about him, I'm scared to think there is more people in the world like him.

Okay, carry on. :)

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	dance_thrulife 2008-04-05 08:38 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, they were going to come and picket the funeral of Eve Carson Edited at 2008-04-05 08:39 pm UTC (Reply to this) (Parent)

	djl4c 2008-04-06 02:40 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, they are absolutely worthless. The founding fathers didn't account for them when they instituted that whole "freedom of speech/assembly" thing. (Reply to this) (Parent)

animalovetms
2008-04-11 04:55 pm UTC (link)

I can see where you are coming from and how scary it might be to think that because of the kind of person you are, people are going to "judge" you and it could affect the things in your life, so to speak. I totally agree that in order to be an American Idol you have to put your beliefs out there and people have the right to vote according to what they agree with or do not agree with. Let me give you an example, you can consider other celebrities that have been in controversial positions and consider what "should have or has" happened to their careers over it. You can take DMX (a rapper) for example, he got caught with a bunch of pit bulls in his back yard and there was proof he was abusing them and using them for dogfights. I am definitely not going to buy his records because I do not agree with that, regardless of whether or not I like his music. Or you can take Kobe Bryant for thought and you have a choice whether or not to buy his jersey on whether or not you believe what did or did not happen. Or you can consider anyone in the public eye (which being in the public eye gives you a social responsibility) if they are doing something you do not believe in then you have a right not to spend your hard earned money on them or even like them if you don't agree with their beliefs. So I think that everyone does have a right to know what kind of person she is and they also have a right to use that in making their decisions on whether or not to vote for her. Everyone knows that there is a whole pot of different beliefs out there but just because you don't agree with them does not mean you are being judgmental, it just means you do not agree. If you don't agree that men should where the color pink for whatever reason, would you buy yourself (if you were a man) or buy your son a pink shirt, no, but if you see another man wearing one that does not mean you are going to call him a faggot or whatever, I am sure you get my point. Also if you think this is only a “singing competition” you are just a little bit wrong, singing has a lot to do with it but it is a little bit more, it is also a performing competition, and it IS also a popularity competition. Take previous American Idol winners in mind, you don’t see a lot of them selling all kinds of records because they are not very popular, sure they have a great singing voice, I mean they did win American Idol and all, but they just aren’t selling; and isn’t that what this is all about. Why would we all be wasting our time voting for these people if it were just merely a “singing competition” and then they are done with their career. We are voting because we want to be able to listen to them sing post-American Idol. And I am definitely not a Kristy Lee Cook fan, I think she should have been gone a long time ago, especially after manipulating America with the God Bless America song, but I will say this in her behalf. Just because she says she wants to meet these people does not necessarily mean she believes in what they believe, she could totally disagree and be curious as to why they believe these things, you just have no way of knowing unless you ask her, or you could just go with what your gut says and decide on it that way, either way it is your decision and your right to have whatever feelings you have about the girl, and if you like her and want to vote for her that is also your right as well as not voting for her, for whatever reason, that is the whole point for the voting.

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	elphaba_of_oz 2008-04-05 10:12 pm UTC (link)
	Abortions aren't silly little things. Mine was an empowering experience. Biology does not have to be destiny. A woman can excercise soveriegnty over her own flesh. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	djl4c 2008-04-05 11:52 pm UTC (link)
	You're awfully defensive at a post that doesn't actually give a stance on abortion. Whether you're pro-choice or pro-life, it's still an important issue. That's all I was saying. Sheesh. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	steppinrazor 2008-04-06 04:16 am UTC (link)
	Defensive? She's agreeing with you, actually, and offering her experience as evidence to back it up. :3 (Reply to this) (Parent)

	eternalliterati 2008-04-05 06:45 pm UTC (link)
	lol, this article doesn't affect my voting at all (even though i'm no from oregon so it's not directed towards me anyways.) if anything, someone telling me NOT to vote for KLC would make me make sure i did. this is like people telling me not to vote for obama beacause he's muslim (or at least was raised to be.) dumb. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	djl4c 2008-04-05 06:45 pm UTC (link)
	That... is a brilliant comparison :) (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	eternalliterati 2008-04-05 06:52 pm UTC (link)
	ty, bb. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	da06cooliekishi 2008-04-05 09:44 pm UTC (link)
	Another year, another scapegoat. That's why I don't enjoy the show anymore, fans take everything too seriously. Kristy Lee is human and people are allowed to vote for whoever they want. Just because so many don't like her doesn't mean she should go home. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	da06cooliekishi 2008-04-05 09:51 pm UTC (link)
	We're all entitled to our opinions. I don't agree with anything John Hagee believes in, but hey, that's just the way of the world. Take or leave it. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	napolde 2008-04-06 03:16 am UTC (link)
	I think KLC is another Jessica Hahn. Maybe she's Hitler. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOh i know she's Osama disguised as an American Idol wannabe!!!! Soooo that's where he's been hiding. He had a sex change and moved to Oregon! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	surferxchris 2008-04-05 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	Regardless of whether or not her state votes for her, she's going to be the next to go home. She's talentless, especially in comparison to the rest of the contestants. (Reply to this)

	pink_aster 2008-04-06 06:48 pm UTC (link)
	American Idol...take it more seriously than the presidency! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	speedoflight311 2008-04-07 07:20 am UTC (link)
	Oh and how we do. It's kind of sad though that a lot more people vote for AI than for elections. (And I mean the people who are of voting age of course...) (Reply to this) (Parent)

classypink
2008-04-07 01:01 am UTC (link)

lol john hagee is batshit crazy. his church is seriously like 5 miles from me. aside from all the stuff that comes out about him publicly, he tells (or did tell) people to live modestly (like give up extra cars) and give a lot to the church. and then when people didn't give up their extra stuff he got really pissed and threatened to cut down to only one service per day. this was back in the early 80s.

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	angela2002 2008-04-07 01:03 pm UTC (link)
	I don't care for Kristy's singing however she has to right to meet who she wants to meet and I would myself would like to meet Hagee just to see what he is like in person and is it just an act. (Reply to this)

zabexelith
2008-04-08 09:07 pm UTC (link)

Although we can feel somewhat certain that she wants to meet Hagee because she likes his preaching, how do we know that for certain?

I don't mean to be controversial by mentioning this, but my friend said that she regards Hitler as a genius. Not a genius who uses his knowledge and power for good or one that deserves any respect, OBVIOUSLY. She thinks he was a terrible, terrible person. More of an evil genius.

My point: If you just heard my friend call Hitler a genius, you'd be all, "OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG YOU'RE AWFUL HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT!?!?!" You'd be making a wrong assumption about my friend. We just can't assume that Kristy believes in all those things.

With that said, I think she's the weakest singer and should have been out weeks ago. I think she feels the same (because of her pessimism -- like that annoying "Kristy's seat" note).

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