Schala-Kitty ([info]animekittysama) wrote in [info]adventchildren_,
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FF7 Early File - Cloud's True Nature (3/3)
Gaw, sorry it took so long to get to this. School has been crazy XD;

And here we go - First Post and Second Post to catch everyone up with what's going on.

This is the last section of this story where, after Tifa's brillant rescue of Cloud from an afterlife with a spookily nice Hojo, the party discusses and explains what the hell was going on earlier. This is realitively close to the finished game but there are still a few interesting changes.



ミディールでパーティーに復帰後
After the Party returns to Mideel

ティファ「なぜ、村に帰ってきたよきに私にさまっていたの」
Tifa: Why did we end up back at the village after I woke up?

クラウド「自分が情けなかった。
ソルジャーになると言って約束して出ていったのに、俺はだの一般兵。
故郷の人にそんなみじめな姿は見せたくなった」
Cloud: I acted so shamefully.
I said that I had kept my promise to go join SOLDIER, but really I was a normal trooper.
I didn't want everyone back home to see me in such a miserable condition.

ティファ「そんなことはないわ。
ソルジャーになれなくとも一生懸命やったならば」
Tifa: That's not the issue here.
I'm sure you gave it your all to try and get into SOLDIER.

クラウド「でも、そんな自分がイヤだったんだ。
そして、それを隠そうとしている自分もよけい情けなった。
俺の存在はセフィロスが消してのではない。
幼なじに自分の姿を隠しているときから、せに俺の存在などなったのかもしれない。
セフィロスはただそれに付け人ってきただけだったんだ……」
Cloud: But still, it was wrong of me.
And, hiding everything about myself really was shameful.
But Sephiroth couldn't erase my true self.
However having a childhood friend lie to be about my true self, that might be why I lost it.
Sephiroth could only do what he did because he had an assistant......

(Oh! PWNED! Cloud finally tells Tifa that it was partly her fault for not facing up to him. I always thought that she was partially to blame.... >>;;; Too bad that her response was cut off... I bet it would have been a massive guilt trip.

And yay for Cloud using "ore"! That's back to your real self.)

~中略~
~Omission~


ユフィ「さっき、クラウドはセフィロスに精神を乗っ取られた、と言ったわね。
そんなオカルトの世界が本当にあるの?」
Yuffie: So some time ago, Sephiroth captured Cloud's heart, like we said.
Does that mean there really are occult things in the world?

ヴィンセント「思い出したよ……クラウド……その名前。
キミはジェノバ覚醒セフィロス・プロジェクトの実験台……」
Vincent: Remember......Cloud......that name.
You are an experiment in the Jenova Awakening Sephiroth Project......

(Now there is something interesting. In Japan, the Niblehiem Incident is refered to as "Sephiroth's Awakening" so this is probably where the term originated.)

クラウド「そうさ……。俺はソルジャーを夢見てミッドガルのきた。
そして宝条の実験の洗礼を受けた……。
それがジェノバ覚醒セフィロス・プロジェクト」
Cloud: That's right....... I left for Midgar with the dream of being in SOLDIER.
And I recieved my baptism as one of Hojo's experiments.
That was the Jenova Awakening Sephiroth Project.

ヴィンセント「セフィロス・プロジェクト……それは僕が昔調査した事件」
Vincet: The Sephiroth Project......That was the case I was formerly investigating.

(In the original version, Vincent was a paranormal investigator who went undercover to investigate Hojo's work which is what he's refereing to.

And he's using "boku!" How cute is that. ^o^ (Boku is a rather cute male pronoun, usually used by younger guys.))

クラウド「ソルジャーとは魔晄のエネルギー注入されるだけではないんだ。
ジェノバの遺伝子をも合成される」
Cloud: Someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to Mako energy.
They are also combined with Jenova's cells.

ヴィンセント「ソルジャーなみな、なんらかの形でジェノバのエネルギーを注入されるんだ。
その完全な成功例がセフィロスなんだ。
でも我々は猛反対した。人の生命をもてあそぶことに……
そのためセフィロス計画は表向き中止となったが、神羅は秘密裏に実験をつづけていた。
それは成人した人間にジェノバ遺伝子を組みこむというものだった」
Vincent: All members of SOLDIER, take in some of of her characteristics when injected with Jenova's energy.
The perfect example of this is Sephiroth.
But we savagely faught against her. Even though our lives were treated like playthings.....
For some reason even though it seemed like the plan with Sephiroth had been stopped, Shinra was continuing to experiment in secret.
And as you said, that was why they were combining Jenova cells with adult humans.

クラウド「それがソルジャー。俺もそうだった。
だが、セフィロスとちがい、すでに人間の成人の身体になっていたため、
セフィロスほど完全なジェノバ生命体はできなかったんだ。
どうしても人間の精神が打ち勝ってしもうんだな。
だから俺の心のなかにセフィロスと同じ心が潜んでいたのだか、
クラウドの人格によって押さえつけられていたんだ。
でも、コンプレックスがいまのクラウドの人格を覆い隠した。
そこで昔の記憶……セフィロスが俺の意識を支配し出したんだ」
Cloud: That is SOLDIER. And me too.
But Sephiroth is different, he was already experimented on before he grew up,
but not to the extent that he could perfectly meld existences with Jenova.
Nevertheless, what was in my heart was the same as what lurked in Sephiroth's heart,
and thus he was able to repress the personality of Cloud.
But, it was also a complex that was masking the Cloud persona.
However, with the old memories......Sephiroth was able to control my consciousness.

ヴィンセント「自分の意志に弱さを感じた人間は徐々に心の内のセフィロスが目覚める
……すれがあの計画の副作用だったんだ」
Vincent: My will has felt weaker as though the humanity in my heart has gradually diminished since Sephiroth awoke
......this is probably a secondary effect of his plan.

※当初はリユニオンの設定はなく、「クラウドはセフィロスの分身」という話だった。
クレーター内部に眠るのも、星の兵器であるウェポンではなく、
セフィロスが生み出した邪悪なモンスターになっている。    

※When we first created the Reunion concept we said the story would be "Cloud is Sephiroth's other self."
While he was asleep in the Crater, he would use the planet's power to create WEAPON,
and Sephiroth would bring forth these sinister monsters.

(The term "other self" is a bit hard to translate. x_X; It can also mean his "offshoot" or even his "child" O_O! Now there is a freaky thought, huh? Of course, Sephiroth isn't old enough to possibly be Cloud's father..... in the finished version. *cackles like a dork*)


Anyway, next up is the bonus Rufus scene, which I'm looking forward to 'cause it's fun to translate Ruffie. XD



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[info]elvenpath
2006-03-25 12:28 am UTC (link)
However having a childhood friend lie to be about my true self, that might be why I lost it.
Sephiroth could only do what he did because he had an assistant......


That explains that one line during the flashbacks in the whirlwind maze that's along the lines of, "Jenova's cells combined with Tifa's memories are what created you." I never understood it, as if Tifa were in cahoots with Sephiroth all along. It makes sense now! =D woot!

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[info]seraphitta
2006-03-25 01:24 am UTC (link)
Tifa in cahoots with Seph? You mean she plotted against Cloud with Seph?
LMAO! You're joking.....right? O___o

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[info]elvenpath
2006-03-25 01:39 am UTC (link)
No, but that's what the line suggested at first, and then when I thought about it, it didn't make any sense at all. And now that line that I just read kind of explains it.

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[info]mimi_sardinia
2006-03-25 01:45 am UTC (link)
Of course she's joking.

Tifa was unwilling to go against what Cloud said happened, even though she knew the truth. If she had told Cloud he was telling it all wrong Sephiroth wouldn't have had the foothold on Cloud psyche that ended up with Cloud turning the Black Materia over to him.

So Sephiroth took advantage of Tifa's woosy attitude.

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[info]elvenpath
2006-03-25 02:18 am UTC (link)
I wasn't joking. t.t I worded that so badly though.

There's a line in the whirlwind maze that's along the lines of "Jenova's cells mixed with Tifa's memories is what created you." And I never really knew what that meant, it never made any goddamn sense to me. At first I thought it meant that Tifa physically worked to create Cloud, but then when I realized that that could have never happened and I don't know wtf I was thinking, that line just became a mystery in itself. I was like "WTF does Sephiroth mean 'Tifa's memories created Cloud'?!" but that line However having a childhood friend lie to be about my true self, that might be why I lost it. suddenly makes it make sense.

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[info]mimi_sardinia
2006-03-25 02:21 am UTC (link)
Ahh, okay. :)

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[info]ardwynna_m
2006-03-25 01:22 am UTC (link)
Hot diggety! It's about time, not that I have anything particular against Tifa, but her more rabid fans do make me a little sick with the whole, "Oh, you've got to understand, it must have been so awkward for her to be in that position." Yeah, I do understand, awkward up to a point, but what Tifa did went way beyond the bounds of good sense. She deserved at least a good shake.

Vinny seems to be having his share of side-effects too, that's interesting.

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 01:44 am UTC (link)
Yah, Tifa really should've owned up earlier. At least Aeris was trying to very gently smack him back to reality. But Tifa, as the one who was there, should've wanted to help him.

Yah, I thought so too. I'm curious about translating Vin's original profile and what it'll tell us.

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[info]seraphitta
2006-03-25 01:54 am UTC (link)
Tifa was never shown as not wanting to help Cloud. Jut as being too afarid to go one way or the other.

At least Aeris was trying to very gently smack him back to reality.
That's because Aeris knew absolutely nothing about Cloud.

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 02:21 am UTC (link)
Mmmm, but at the same time, bolstering Cloud's lie, while seemingly good for his attitude (and they're relationship), was really his undoing. She helped him in believe in that lie... Now, it's not going to get us anywhere postulating whether or not her being honest would've helped or hurt the sitaution more but we can at least see that her feeding into his problem nearly destroyed him. I think though that helping Cloud through his problem did redeem that.

Aeris knew though that Cloud wasn't Cloud from her time with Zack, something that Tifa knew as well but didn't have the courage to say. Aeris at least wanted him to see the truth rather than live a lie. And, if you read Vovage of the Madien (available here) she even helped Tifa work with Cloud to find himself.

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[info]seraphitta
2006-03-25 02:37 am UTC (link)
When Cloud and Tifa fell into the Lifestream is when Aeris found out about Cloud. At that point, it was only Tifa (according to Zack) that could help him and at that point she was very much willing.

Now, it's not going to get us anywhere postulating whether or not her being honest would've helped or hurt the sitaution more but we can at least see that her feeding into his problem nearly destroyed him
I don't believe that was Cloud's undoing. Cloud's undoing was his own weakness. He was messed long before he met Tifa at the station. We don't know whether the truth would have been Cloud's undoing, just like we don't know whether not telling him was his undoing in the end. Sephiroth's tie to Cloud went much deeper than just Tifa's little lie. (referring to the final version, of course )

(and they're relationship
I don't see how keeping their past a secret really helped Cloud and Tifa's relationship. It was after their swim in the Lifestream that Cloud revealed his secret wishes and tender memories he associated with her and it was when he saw the past that he admited he's happy to know of her feelings for him. Tifa telling Cloud = good for their relationship, IMO. ^__^

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 02:55 am UTC (link)
I think it was more that her feeling was confirmed when she arrived in the Lifestream. Remember on the date with Cloud she says "I think I must have seen him again, in you... (...) Cloud...I'm searching for you...I want to meet you." But yes, Aeris and Zack realized that Tifa was the only one who could help him, even though both of them wanted to as well.

Ah, yes, the experiments definetly messed him up, but Tifa unconciously helped in the formation of the illusion. From Voyage of the Maiden -

"Then he met Tifa. He met his "real" childhood friend, Tifa Lockhart. That time, with Jenova's power to duplicate memories, the memories that Tifa had of Cloud was instantly transferred to him. The missing parts were then filled with his own memories of being in Soldier to complete it all. That was how the patched up personality of Cloud Strife, based on the young man that existed in Tifa's conscious, was born."

So, that's more the Jenovan connection than anything else being responsible for Cloud's condition.

Ah, the relationship line was Tifa's idea, not mine. After Cloud gives the Black Materia to Sephiroth, we're privy to Tifa's memories of when she met back up with Cloud. And she mentions that she realized there something wrong with him. Sha admits to us - "And I didn't want that [meaning Cloud leaving]...I didn't know what to do. So, I thought I needed more time. And that's why I told you about the AVALANCHE job. I wanted to be with you, watch you."

Obviously, Tifa had only good intentions... but you can't help but think that she shouldn've done more.

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[info]sixtiespink
2006-03-25 04:37 am UTC (link)
She's also human, and a well-rounded developed character (one of the only in FFVII). She's not some all-knowing Mary-Sue, and she had insecurities/fears and uncertainties... something that most people can relate to.

And yes, I'm defending her, because it seems that some people are all cackling-giggly over the "Ooh, lookie. Cloud partially 'blames' Tifa" thing, it's like "ZOMG, we were right, it's all her fault!" or whatever.

Besides, it'a all about the plot. Had she told him sooner, the story would have been a heckuva lot less interesting.

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[info]ardwynna_m
2006-03-25 04:08 pm UTC (link)
She's also human, and a well-rounded developed character (one of the only in FFVII).
That's a matter of personal interpretation and preference. I found her to be the least interesting playable female in the game.

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[info]thrustingmom69
2006-03-26 10:44 pm UTC (link)
uhuh

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[info]seraphitta
2006-03-25 01:27 am UTC (link)
So some time ago, Sephiroth captured Cloud's heart, like we said.

The Clephiroth in me is having a party!

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 01:41 am UTC (link)
Yah, that was pretty nice for the SephClo people.

You guys get all the good lines D:

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[info]seraphitta
2006-03-25 02:39 am UTC (link)
Because Nomura and Nojima are secretly drooling over the hawtness that is Cloud/Sephiroth. Naturally, we get the best lines.

"So cold....I'm always by your side" "Stay there for me, in my meories" etc etc etc. XD

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 03:05 am UTC (link)
Nomura is such a yaoi fanboy it's not even funny. XD;

Don't forget - "Kneel before me, show your figure begging for forgiveness"

*feels a lil dirty now D:*

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[info]the_beanmaster
2006-03-25 01:48 am UTC (link)
So I finally got around to reading all these. Win! Thanks a bunch for taking the time to type them up for all of us who don't have our own copies XD;;;

It's been said, but "So some time ago, Sephiroth captured Cloud's heart, like we said." HAHAHAHAHAHAetc. It's funny.

And I want Vincent as a paranormal investigator :(. HOSHIT, AU fanfic is calling me.

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 03:02 am UTC (link)
My poor book is SUFFERING for all of you XD Seriously, the ink is almost worn off in some places and the pages are getting dog-eared. XD;

FF7 - doing more for gayness in video games than some legitimate BL games.

Ah, wait until I get to the character profiles! XD Then you will hear more about paranormal Vinny.

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[info]aisuyoukai
2006-03-25 02:40 am UTC (link)
Wow. There is simply too much greatness in this one to start naming them all... all that I found interesting. Wow...

And one more time, thank you very much! ^_^ And I can't wait to hear what Rufus has to say... I simply adore him so much! XD

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[info]seraphitta
2006-03-25 02:42 am UTC (link)
Oh yes, Rufus = love (any Sephiroth goodies? ;_______; )

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 02:57 am UTC (link)
This one was the only peice with Sephiroth dialogue. The rest just has people talking about him 'cause he's so central to everything. D:

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[info]ruukii
2006-03-25 02:56 am UTC (link)
uwaah!!! O_O Tifa got the blame!!! *giggles*

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[info]thrustingmom69
2006-03-25 03:51 am UTC (link)
*is a rabid fan* STFU

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 04:34 am UTC (link)
Ah, ah... just kidding around now hun. ^_^

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[info]thrustingmom69
2006-03-25 09:15 am UTC (link)
uhuh

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[info]elenachan
2006-03-25 05:01 am UTC (link)
There sure is lots of Sephiroth/Cloud Yaoi...

Thanks so much for doing this BTW :D

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 05:17 am UTC (link)
Yah, they get all the fun don't they? D:

Ah, no problem! It's a pleasure. ^_^

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[info]tryxkittie
2006-03-25 07:31 am UTC (link)
I think it's funny that some people are too busy defending Tifa to even realize that you've done them a favour translating this for them. :( Well don't mind them. Thanks for all your hard work! Please keep them coming! And don't let anyone hassle you for your opinion, it's yours after all :)

Oh and by the way, can you link to your older translations, the one with Vincent's first scenes?

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[info]thrustingmom69
2006-03-25 09:17 am UTC (link)
I was actually joking when I said "STFU"... I just find it funny how people whine about Tifa's character expecting her to be perfect and all. ;o Nobody in FF7 was perfect anyway. They were quite messed up.

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[info]tryxkittie
2006-03-25 04:36 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm...

Hun I think you're assuming a lot when you think we expect Tifa to be perfect. Nobody expects anyone to be perfect. That doesn't mean we can't be pissed off when someone makes a stupid, stupid mistake. Just like in real life. If someone makes a mistake, it might be understandable. That doesn't mean I won't be bothered by it. And it's precisely because we're human that this is true.

If you find it funny that people whine about Tifa's character expecting her to be perfect, than I suppose I can find it funny that people whine about Aeris' character, thinking that she's perfect when, if you really pay attention to her scenes, you'll see that she really isn't. It goes both ways.

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[info]thrustingmom69
2006-03-26 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Aeris wasn't perfect. She was an annoying and shit character.

Tifa lied, yes, but in that situation alot of people would have not known what to do just as her. Hmm... so you rather she tell him earlier, like in Kalm, with all the confusion? Yeah, people make mistakes and people get mad at those mistakes. But it's best to let go about it. Cloud doesn't hate Tifa, no does he? So it's a dumb thing to whine about. Aeris did much worse things that anyone could get mad about. Like say, flirting infront oh her "friend" with a guy she knew her friend liked. And before you say Aeris was clueless about the whole situation, if Reeve's mechanical doll could pick up on it, I think that Aeris could do. Either that or she's just a ditz. ;o

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[info]tryxkittie
2006-03-27 01:15 am UTC (link)
*sigh* Okay. In truth I don't give a shit about fictional characters, so I'll just leave our little e-debate here, kay hun? But feel free to reply if you really want to.

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[info]thrustingmom69
2006-03-27 02:06 am UTC (link)
LOL. I don't take this seriously either. And lol @ 'hun'. I'm just saying. It would be quite stupid to keep a grudge against someone for that, no?

GTFO.

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[info]animekittysama
2006-03-25 03:39 pm UTC (link)
Ah, I don't mind. XD I'm pretty laid-back with stuff like this. ^_^

Ah, I haven't done Vinny's yet actually ^^; I simply did a lil preliminary translation so that I could understand what he meant. And I'll do my best to provide links for all of these as I do them. *nods* I still got a few more senarios before I head over to the character profiles.

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[info]thrustingmom69
2006-03-25 03:45 pm UTC (link)
It's sure great of you to translate all of this... ;o Could you scan anything, by chance?

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[info]tryxkittie
2006-03-25 04:38 pm UTC (link)
Awesome! Thanks so much, I can't wait to see them!

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[info]ami_kun
2006-03-25 04:06 pm UTC (link)
That's pretty cool, thanks for the translation~ :)

Hehe, Tifa got PWNED! She ought to for once. :P

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[info]starherd
2006-03-25 06:58 pm UTC (link)
I thank you sincerely for these, by the way. *huggles*
(If for no other reason than that yes, my secret inner Seph x Cloud fangirl is doing giggly backflips.)

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[info]r_hr_maniac
2006-03-25 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!

Well..SephXCloud fans surely have something to hold onto XD

That thing with Tifa...I've always known she had her part in it...actually very BIG part. She was doing this to Cloud and she haven't even realized she was. I still love her XD She's my most favourite character. I like her even with her mistakes...same goes for Aeris...Cloud and so on :)

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[info]ahvia
2006-03-26 05:32 am UTC (link)
iloveyouiloveyou

These are all so incredibly interesting, and it--hehehe, Sephiroth captured Cloud's heart.

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