Tim Lieder ([info]marlowe1) wrote in [info]academics_anon,
@ 2005-12-07 02:40:00
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Note on that last one
It's only some branches (sadly the more popular ones) of academic feminism that I despise. The ones that claim that phallocentric power can only be remedied by lesbianism, the essentialist ones that claim that women are more naturally kind and loving and generous (I believe in a feminist belief that states that women are just as capable of stupidity, aggression and crime as men - it's what happens when you're raised by a single mother and a grandmother) or that literary criticism is going to lead ANYONE to "liberation" as Bell Hooks would like to convince herself (and yeah I'm spelling it in the Eurocentric way of capitalizing the names - I guess that means that I just hate wymyn)
ANd any branch of feminism that tries to say that women are victims of big bad men who need to be rescued by Gloria Steinem.

However I do find Camille Paglia, Susie Bright and Rene Denfeld to be very compelling feminist writers and thinkers. Sadly the Susan Faludis, Grubers and Helene Cixous (who is really writing prose poetry without any respect for any form of logic or sense whatsoever and getting away with it because she's really an "artist" - a stupid artist that thinks that bad poetry can substitute for common sense) dominate.

I really don't like the latter.

Although I must say I like them better than that great feminist filmmaking pioneer Leni Reifenstahl - I might admire Leni Reifenstahl for innovating the form of filmmaking, and normally I would love her brand of feminism which is an action-based way of grabbing hold of a male-dominated field and doing it better than the men.

However she was making Nazi propaganda movies, and I must say that I don't like her as a person.

ALthough I would probably read her before I read anyone else that I mentioned.




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[info]lizw
2005-12-07 08:11 am UTC (link)
Have you come across [info]bad_feminists? Seems like you might appreciate it.

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Maybe not very academic
[info]liveavatar
2005-12-07 08:30 am UTC (link)
You're venting, and I can appreciate that. Here's some venting in return.

Can't say I'm with you about Camille Paglia -- I think she did her best writing years ago when she wrote an advice column for SPY magazine. Rather, she's an interesting stylist, but not much on ideas. I threw two books of hers across the room (dented the wall with Sexual Personae) when I got tired of her mistaking style for substance one too many times. Good for her, she made a name for herself, I hope she got tenure, now I hope she stays the hell away. Speaking of trying to change the world through literary criticism. Paglia, only a feminist as long as it gets her speaking engagements. And laid.

Sometimes women are victims of men. Deal with it. That doesn't mean that all women are victims all the time. That's the part of Susie Bright's and Susan Faludi's work I like, the part where they encourage women (and men) to claim their power. People don't like to be victims, or to think they've helped create victims, so reading about victims and abuse pisses people off (I include both men and women here). Reading about how people create their own victimhood and abuse lets everyone feel they're in control and these problems could never happen to them/could never be caused by them.

However: I'm totally with you about how women are just as capable of stupidity, aggression and crime as men, though the aggression style and crimes might be differ from place to place because of cultural overlays. I'm no essentialist. Not much of an academic feminist either, to tell the truth, but that's mostly because of the academia, not the feminism.

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Re: Maybe not very academic
[info]hermajestyq
2005-12-07 12:02 pm UTC (link)
I definitely agree that people don't like to think they've helped create victims. That is, there's a propensity to blame the victim in some instances because, in general (for men and women), people would rather believe that the world is just than think that something terrible and random could happen to them.

I also think, though, that some people (again, both men and women) do like to see themselves as victims or would rather put themselves perpetually in this role than try to work to get themselves out of a bad situation.

I can't easily apply these thoughts to an evaluation of the writers in question, as literary criticism is neither my field nor my forte. I will venture to say, though, that the latter reason may be why Susan Faludi's work can be unpalatable at first.

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Re: Maybe not very academic
[info]liveavatar
2005-12-07 08:31 pm UTC (link)
Agreed that some people of any gender do like to see themselves as victims. I'm thinking more of the "victim feminism" epithet, which is as useful and true a term as "victim Buddhism."

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[info]astartesyriaca
2005-12-07 08:39 am UTC (link)
It seems you either in love (or at least like) Paglia or hate her. I (at least like) her... then again I'm an art historian, and some of the "style" issues mentioned above are right up my alley.

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[info]liveavatar
2005-12-07 09:06 am UTC (link)
My background is in art performance, so reading academese about art has been unavoidable. It honed my dislike of bad academic art writing to a fine white hate. I'd rather see Paglia perform her work, complete with interpretive dance and squeals. I don't mind stylists as such, and I appreciate good style. However, I do mind stylists who equate style with substance, outside of actual poetry; I'd put Paglia's name up as a shining example in any dictionary definition of that problem.

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[info]astartesyriaca
2005-12-09 01:33 am UTC (link)
Hmm.. what is your definition of style here?

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[info]oursin
2005-12-07 09:31 am UTC (link)
I think you may have elided 'critical thinking' with 'literary criticism' (two rather different things, though the latter May assist in developing the former), because otherwise I find your take on hooks a bit bewildering. What work of hers are you thinking of?

You might find the works of Daphne Patai to your taste: Professing Feminism: Education and Indoctrination in Women's Studies (with Noretta Kroege) and Heterophobia: Sexual Harassment and the Future of Feminism.

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[info]voyager640
2005-12-07 12:19 pm UTC (link)
Spelling bell hooks' name with capital letters is actually incorrect, since it's a pseudonym and is supposed to be in lowercase.

bell hooks is particularly interesting when it occurs at the beginning of a sentence.

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[info]uberconfused
2005-12-07 12:35 pm UTC (link)
Do you live under an academic rock? Essentialist feminism has been RESOUNDINGLY critiqued--if not outright rejected--in the academy. See Iris Marion Young, Gayatri Spivak, Patricia Hill Collins, Ann McClintock, Anne Phillips, Gayle Rubin, Anne Fausto-Sterling, Charles Rosenberg, Bonnie Thornton Dill.

Just because this is the type of feminism you are currently being exposed to and learning about, now that you're a grad student, doesn't mean that it's the cutting edge or even the stuff particularly worth being exposed to. The feminists, and the danger/pleasure war, that you keep harping on characterized the state of the field back in the 1990s during the culture wars. You should really move on--everybody else has!

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[info]ivyblossom
2005-12-07 01:14 pm UTC (link)
*hears the balloons popping*

Aww, but but but...it's so fun and trendy to bash feminism! Lookie how smartypants and iconoclastic I am!

O_o

I'm glad you said it. :)

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[info]bing_crosby
2005-12-07 01:25 pm UTC (link)
not to mention... basically all of these are authors who wrote popular feminist literature a decade or more ago. I'm not at all versed in contemporary feminist scholarship and I know all these references from when they were being generally discussed (and critiqued) at, like, the women's center at my undergrad-- in the mid 90s. Thanks for the time warp, though.

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[info]thaliestra
2005-12-07 01:41 pm UTC (link)
couldn't have said it better -- excellent.

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[info]sorenr
2005-12-07 02:14 pm UTC (link)
Agreed.

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[info]empfindsamkeit
2005-12-07 03:47 pm UTC (link)
Ohmygod. Thank you!

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[info]slanderous
2005-12-07 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Hear, hear!

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[info]nickyludd
2005-12-07 01:46 pm UTC (link)
So Leni was a feminist!! So wot r ur views on Hitler?

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[info]moireach
2005-12-07 02:49 pm UTC (link)
A Brief Autobiography of Camille Paglia as Told Through Introductory Appositive Phrases in Her Online Column.

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[info]zubird
2005-12-07 06:10 pm UTC (link)
my god, that's funny.

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[info]moireach
2005-12-07 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Hee, glad you liked. It makes me have a lot of trouble taking her seriously!

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[info]rebrthofwonder
2005-12-07 08:24 pm UTC (link)
This article is amazing.

As are your icons (both of them). :)

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[info]liveavatar
2005-12-07 08:25 pm UTC (link)
Wonderful! As a tubby Californian, I thank you for the link -- it made my morning.

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[info]liveavatar
2005-12-07 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Almost forgot: I adore your icon here. May one borrow it?

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[info]moireach
2005-12-07 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Heh, be my guest -- it's by [info]infinitemonkeys who did a whole load of them.

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[info]phasma_aphanes
2005-12-07 04:18 pm UTC (link)
I simply love it when a new grad student decides that they know everything there is to know about everything and that they can simply do without everyone else's thoughts/opinions/theories since they understood everything perfectly the moment their acceptance to an MA program arrived. I just get all warm and fuzzy inside thinking about it.

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[info]elricmelnibone
2005-12-08 01:20 am UTC (link)
It makes me think of bright, breezy spring mornings...when love is in the air. Take a deep breath, and enjoy that new-graduate-student-smell!

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[info]velvetnell
2005-12-08 08:14 pm UTC (link)
But again, please don't attribute this to ALL new graduate students. Some of us like to listen to other people, read theory, and advocate for scholarly humility.

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[info]phasma_aphanes
2005-12-09 12:27 am UTC (link)
i like you, nell.

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[info]velvetnell
2005-12-09 01:51 am UTC (link)
I like you too. I also usually agree with you, which seems to be pretty rare in LJ land.

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[info]phasma_aphanes
2005-12-09 01:54 am UTC (link)
it is rare.

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[info]treefox
2005-12-09 04:19 pm UTC (link)
My time as a grad student has taught me that no one knows what they're talking about, not even me - I used to be a real debating type, getting in arguments over politics and the like all the time. Now, as I have no confidence that anyone involved knows what they're talking about, I hardly do anymore.

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[info]phasma_aphanes
2005-12-09 04:24 pm UTC (link)
this is the first step to a successful career. of course, socrates admitted he didn't know anything either and they still executed him.

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[info]treefox
2005-12-09 04:18 pm UTC (link)
I believe everyone is an idiot, regardless of race, class, sex, religion, sexual orientation, or nationality.

;)

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