Tim Lieder ([info]marlowe1) wrote in [info]academics_anon,
@ 2005-12-07 02:33:00
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Very very odd dilemma
I finally finished my long rambling rough draft of the final paper for British Radicals class. I wasn't happy with it. I felt like I was bitching too ch.

Just to update everyone on that one. I am embarrassed that I not only wrote my final paper on the novel Swastika Night sucking a big one (and to a lesser extent 1984 and Brave New World sucking - but not as bad as Swastika Night) but that it ran for 31 pages. 31 pages to rant and rave against Swastika Night, dystopian novels, academic feminism, the stupid word "heternormative" and modern criticism (the last two are indictments against Orwell for thinking that people turn stupid when they start shrinking their words like in Newspeak. THis terribly doubleplusungood notion has inspired generations of Feminist, New Historicist and Deconstructionist critics to create brand new words that mean NOTHING. NOTHING! NOTHING! Yeah Fuck you Mary Daley and your Gyn/Ecology Lesbian Nun theories - you crazy whackjob. ANd really fuck foucoult - although that can't be said often enough - for not only writing stupid shit but using long involved passages, made up words and complicated language to say your stupid shit (like the one about insanity being a socially engineered prejudice - yeah some of those socially engineered fucks think that Nixon is talking to them from the radio and telling them to kill you.) So I like Orwell and I don't think Orwell would take the Newspeak any farther than one book and that the Deconstructionist Language of Bullshit Speak would not win his endorsement - but I still want to blame him for 50 years of shoddy academic literary criticism hiding under the guise of mumblemouth word games)

I also said that dystopian novels are poor written science fiction novels, but critics love them because critics can attach themselves to them and do their own sermons under the guise of criticism. Snobs can cheer on Aldous Huxley's snobbish Brave New WOrld. Paranoid radicals can talk about 1984 being just around the corner (except its never their group or their rigid control mania that's the cause - it's always the other guy. Which is why 80s Conservatives tried to claim that Orwell would have voted for Reagan had he lived, while modern day peaceniks try to say that Bush pulling the same old lies that every politician pulls is somehow BIg Brother incarnate)

ANYHOW - not only did my professor LIKE the paper (it's rare that a professor likes a paper where you are writing about why his assigned reading is offal - but then again that's what marks a good professor vs. an indocrinating motherfucker in my mind) but he suggested that I delve into it a little further and submit it to a Peer Review Journal.

Blink.

Blink.

I'm shocked.

Especially since I'm getting an M.A. in English with a Creative Writing concentrate and have no plans of continuing the graduate school after I receive the MA. I mean if I get a literary criticism article published in a peer review journal (very big IF - and I might have to tone down the polemic against the Deconstructionists - they have sharp teeth and mean beady little eyes - and we can even call them fascists since they have no problem associating themselves with Nazi Boy WOnder Heidigger) I would actually have to think about getting a PhD.

I am trying to be a writer and small press publisher (Teddy Bear Cannibal Massacre on sale now!) not an English professor.

On the other hand, English professor would definitely pay the bills easier than "temporary worker tryin to support his writing and small press publishing careers".

It's a quandry.



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[info]astartesyriaca
2005-12-07 08:34 am UTC (link)
Umm... this is great... my friend and I have just agreed that we won't mention the word "deconstructivist" at least for the rest of the term.

I think you should go for publishing this... but unfortunately for you, you are of the male gender and are therefore making your livelihood (or at least your manhood) forfeit in criticizing any form of feminism.

Good luck...

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[info]marlowe1
2005-12-07 04:12 pm UTC (link)
But I'm also an asshole so I don't mind criticizing stupidity in all its forms. ANd when a subset of feminism is stupid, I say so.

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[info]sorenr
2005-12-07 09:48 am UTC (link)
ANd really fuck foucoult - although that can't be said often enough...

I'm sorry, but I doubt Foucault would let anybody fuck him who can't even spell his name. (Yeah, I can stoop as low as you can...)

You really seem to not only not get deconstructivist theory but also to demonstrate a rather unpleasant type of discourse that you really ought to be wary of if you do indeed plan to finance your writing through working as an English professor. Being bitchily opinionated is one thing (though I'm not sure I'd go as far as to call it 'acceptable'), but being so as an English professor, well...

Anyway; good luck with getting published, both with regards to your paper and your creative writing. (And this is actually earnestly meant.)

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[info]marlowe1
2005-12-07 04:14 pm UTC (link)
Well there's a love an affection for literature.

And if we are going to get on about fucking Foucault, he apparently did let a whole bunch of people fuck him who didn't know how to spell his name much less pronounce it. It's sort of what killed him.

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(no subject) - [info]skirmishgirl, 2005-12-07 05:18 pm UTC

[info]venetia
2005-12-07 11:34 am UTC (link)
I'm curious as to why you think getting one article published in a journal (or perhaps it was even having a lecturer who likes your paper?) is likely to change your mind about what you want to do with your life.

I mean, were you always in two minds about it, or did you previously assume you had no chance at a PhD, or is it something else?

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sour grapes
[info]uberconfused
2005-12-07 12:25 pm UTC (link)
Just becuase you don't understand FOUCAULT doesn't mean that what he's saying isn't of value. Claiming that mental illness is socially constructed and an artefact of power doesn't make it any less *real*. It's hardly a refutation of his argument to point to the empirical existence of people with tin-foil wrapped heads who hear voices telling them to kill Richard Nixon.

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Re: sour grapes
[info]phasma_aphanes
2005-12-07 01:12 pm UTC (link)
exactly. it has taken me years of rereading to feel comfptable with foucault and even though I don not agree with all that he says, I find him indispensible. its funny, there have been a lot of people around here lately who are openly dismissive of many influential theorists. they seem to be unable to find value in anything that does not coincide with their own absolute idea and see pointing out flaws as refutation. makes me question the general understanding these folks have of what they are actually reading and the purpose of reading it.

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Re: sour grapes - [info]uberconfused, 2005-12-07 01:32 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]artemidite, 2005-12-07 01:38 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]ecila_etc, 2005-12-07 02:16 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]filmnoir6, 2005-12-07 03:01 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:25 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]epistolarysmack, 2005-12-07 03:18 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:24 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:17 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]rooodles, 2005-12-07 04:25 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:26 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]rooodles, 2005-12-07 04:33 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:51 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 07:57 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 04:27 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]rooodles, 2005-12-07 04:39 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 04:40 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]rooodles, 2005-12-07 05:01 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 05:06 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]rooodles, 2005-12-07 05:15 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 07:57 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]teh_grate, 2005-12-07 07:24 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 07:58 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:49 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]rooodles, 2005-12-07 05:11 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:48 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 04:56 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]velvetnell, 2005-12-08 02:10 am UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:20 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]uberconfused, 2005-12-07 05:19 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]velvetnell, 2005-12-08 02:12 am UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:22 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 04:25 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:29 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes
[info]marlowe1
2005-12-07 04:15 pm UTC (link)
How about the fact that I DO understand Fuckault and I find his arguments juvenile and puerile.

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Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 04:22 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:31 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]rooodles, 2005-12-07 04:41 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 05:29 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]epistolarysmack, 2005-12-07 05:33 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]velvetnell, 2005-12-08 02:14 am UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-09 12:22 am UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]petrovnik, 2005-12-07 05:29 pm UTC
Re: sour grapes - [info]seebs, 2005-12-09 08:21 am UTC

[info]sophiawestern
2005-12-07 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Getting one paper published in a peer reviewed journal doesn't mean that you have to get your PhD. Many Masters students publish their theses in proper scientific journals without going on to a Ph.D. So, just do what you want to do! :)

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[info]enigmaticae
2005-12-07 01:26 pm UTC (link)



i agree. . .equating having work published with a requirement to get a PhD seems a bit like faulty logic riding a roller coaster of elation

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(no subject) - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 01:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]artemidite, 2005-12-07 01:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]enigmaticae, 2005-12-07 05:48 pm UTC

[info]phasma_aphanes
2005-12-07 01:08 pm UTC (link)
lj-cut?

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[info]bean_dame
2005-12-07 03:17 pm UTC (link)
Yes, thanks.

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[info]phasma_aphanes
2005-12-07 01:27 pm UTC (link)
I am just going to make a comment about becoming an English professor. I am not one, but I do know that the market is so flooded that it is rather difficult to become one. If you think that getting something published in the English field will enable you to get a position as one, you are sorely mistaken. Everyone in the field does it and many of them still have to work as adjuncts which will pay you less than waiting tables at TGI Fridays. And just because a prof says submit it to a peer review journal doesn't mean it will ever get published. And even if it does, it could take years of rewrites and waiting in the queue to happen. Your understanding of what it takes to actually become a professor is a bit lacking which means you won't ever become one.

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[info]marlowe1
2005-12-07 04:39 pm UTC (link)
I was on welfare for the first 18 years of my life. Poverty doesn't scare me.

My understanding of what it takes to become an English professor is lacking because I haven't thought of that as a possibility until recently. The most I thought of it before was a "well I suppose if I go through the trouble of getting an MA, I should probably look into getting some teaching jobs."

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(no subject) - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 04:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]marlowe1, 2005-12-07 04:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 04:58 pm UTC

[info]lolacat
2005-12-07 05:04 pm UTC (link)
I agree that adding teaching in higher education means doing some research about what that actually means... applying for "some teaching job" will depend a lot on the kind of place you want to teach and what you want to teach. I recommend the Chronicle of Higher Ed as a good place to start to get a sense of what the market is like, what it takes to become a teacher in any higher ed institution, and what you'll need to do (beyond submitting an article) to be competitive with other English PhDs who want to teach as much or more than you do. In my experience, you can't apply for jobs lightly when it comes to higher ed. I think that English has the biggest disparity between available jobs and available candidates... so basically, good for you if you go for this, but be ready for it to mean hard work and committment, not casual interest.

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[info]elricmelnibone
2005-12-07 01:46 pm UTC (link)
God how I love poorly written, poorly edited, non-cut rambles that only highlight the ignorance of the poster. And best of all...this person is a writer! Or, rather, studying to become a "creative writer." This makes me sad.
I would comment on the difficulty of becoming an English professor, but I won't. I will instead encourage this poster to apply for PhD programs. And please, when you do, keep us posted. And make sure you send this as your writing sample. If they cringe, tell them it's "creative."

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[info]marlowe1
2005-12-07 04:40 pm UTC (link)
Yes, because we all write so well at 3 in the morning when we should be getting somee sleep. And I'm sure you have never written a rambling first draft.

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(no subject) - [info]elricmelnibone, 2005-12-07 07:19 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 08:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]elricmelnibone, 2005-12-07 08:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phasma_aphanes, 2005-12-07 08:47 pm UTC

[info]grrrlishgrin
2005-12-07 01:53 pm UTC (link)
i really really like the word hereronormative.

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[info]marlowe1
2005-12-07 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Heh. I wonder whatever happened to heterosexism. I personally find it inaccurate because not do most of its proponents use it in the prejorative (Jada Pinkett talked about her husband as a great means of support. How dare she be so heteronormative?) but its usage suggests an argument that declares that celebrating heterosexual relationships is somehow wrong, or even a threat to homosexual relationships.

And the fact that many of the fiercest opponents to gay marriage, gay rights and homosexuality in general aren't heteronormative by the strictest defintion of "normal" since their proposed version of a normative marriage involves pre-marriage celibacy and more than 3 children.

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[info]girl_in_blue
2005-12-07 04:40 pm UTC (link)
good for you - submit it. i wouldn't say this should change your plans but it certainly can't hurt anything to have published a paper.

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[info]marlowe1
2005-12-07 04:46 pm UTC (link)
Hey! Well I don't think it's changing my plans so much as giving me an option that I never thought possible before.

THe original plan was to graduate, write and publish and work stupid temp jobs to support that habit. The new plan would involve writing and publishing and living off of academic grants.

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(no subject) - [info]girl_in_blue, 2005-12-07 05:34 pm UTC

[info]m_banu
2005-12-07 07:05 pm UTC (link)
For someone who seems to be quite against superfluous verbosity, how did you manage to write 31 pages on Swastika Night sucking???

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[info]byjane
2005-12-07 09:29 pm UTC (link)
I'm not reading the last 73 of these comments because--why bother. Just wanted to say that I too started a MA program in Creative Writing and got seduced into lit crit because I was good at it and ended up in a PhD program figuring that an English prof would "definitely pay the bills easier..." Ha! Make that, Double Ha!!!! T'aint so, McGee.

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Lucky soft science students
[info]shamebear
2005-12-07 10:14 pm UTC (link)
This is how a physicist may have felt if he was told he wrote a "good paper on tachyons" after ridiculing the idea with words, equations and graphs. Your blessing is that others can actually understand what you'r angry about :-)

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Re: Lucky soft science students
[info]thanafin
2005-12-08 12:45 am UTC (link)
I don't understand what that means.

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[info]blairette
2005-12-07 10:50 pm UTC (link)
As I understand it, heterosexism and heteronormativity are different things. Heterosexism being the name for a personal misapprehension - namely, the assumption of a two-genders, het model; while heteronormativity refers to the kind of culture which fosters this kind of thinking (be it a 'bad' or 'good' culture).

Heterosexism is not just about assuming males and females adopt certain gender roles, it's about assuming the existence of Western gender as it is commonly promulgated. Now, I really want to know what your views are on the place of transsexuals/intersex/asexuals in a 'feminist'/gender studies dynamic.

.. oh and I think Foucault is funny. I mean, his History of Sexuality? All kinds of ridiculous, but... I do Classics. The history of historical interpretation (so to speak) is naturally an interest. One doesn't have to agree with him to read him.

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oh, the old "submit to a journal" trick?
[info]jimotron
2005-12-13 02:50 am UTC (link)
Your Prof. may in fact have told you to submit your thesis to a peer reviewed journal because, as you concede and demonstrate, you're an asshole.

"Yes. And then as many as three reviewers will tell this asshole he's completely full of shit. I mean, pedagogically speaking, that simply has to be better than me telling him he's full of shit... right?"

Good luck with that!

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